Nea apo Stallman

[Papadogiannakis Vagelis]

----- Original Message -----
From: Stavros 0 Sahtouris <saxtouri at csd.uoc.gr>
To: Sidirourgos Lefteris <lefteris at godzilla.edu.uoc.gr>
Cc: Papadogiannakis Vagelis <papas at wise.gr>; <herlug at lists.hellug.gr>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Nea apo Stallman


> On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Sidirourgos Lefteris wrote:
> >
> > Oxi Stayro, den soy leei oyte na sebese to linux, oute oti
> > einai iero. Ayto poy leei (kai symfwnw) einai kalh h plaka kai o
xabales,
> > alla mhn 3exnate oti edw einai lista me "fanatikoys" toy linux
> Emena de mou aresoun oi fanatikoi opioudhpote pragmatos, dioti oi
> fanatikoi ieropoioun auto pou uposthrizoun.
>

poli or8i apopsi kat eme, to idio ipostirizo, alla den eimaste fanatikoi.
Isos o lefteris na mi xrisimopoieise tin katalili leksi, gia afto to logo
tin evale kai se eisagogika.

> > kai enw
> > mporoyme na mhlame me toys diaforoys bsd-ades gia antalagh apopsewn kai
> > wraiwn flames, zhtame na yparxei kai o antistoixos sebasmos sthn
> > "filo3eneia" mas.
>
> Se pio shmeio DEN dei3ame sebasmo oi diaforoi BSD-ades (opws apokaleis esu
> tous mh fanatikous)?

vazeis lekseis sto stoma tou, den eipe kati tetoio.

> E3allou, kanenas linuxas kai kanenas BSD-as den 8a
> eprepe na uparxoun, den exei nohma o diaxwrismos. Einai san na malwnoun oi
> politikoi mhxanikoi gia to an h e8nikh odws A8hnwn-Lamias einai kaluterh
> h' oxi apo thn A8hnwn-Korin8ou kai na xwrizontai se Lamia-des kai
> Korin8-ades.

Stavro, se ektimo kai se sevomai oso kanena bsda ;>
Alla, sou 8imizo oti apo tin proti mera pou gnoristikame, toulaxiston ego me
esena, nomizo oti eimoun o PROTOS pou dilose kati tetoio. (sto installfest)
Se anti8esh fisika me esas pou itan profanhs o logos episkepsis sas. Na mas
kanete na noiosoume asxima, na mas meiosete, kai na ``gelasete'' mazi mas
(toulaxiston afto deiksate). Afto to apediksan oi erotiseis pagides pou
kanate, kai o tropos pou xamogelousate gematoi efxaristish otan sas legame
``nai, exete dikio''

> Isws, me metro panta, na exei nohma to na uposthrizeis me tetoio tropo
> p.x. thn GPL h' thn BSD adeia, me thn ennoia oti mazi me thn adeia erxetai
> kai h antistoixh filosofia. To idio, omws to leitourgiko den einia
> filosofia, einai ena kataskeuasma mhxanikwn, opws eipa kai se prohgoumeno
> mail mou. Se auth thn periptwsh mporoun, fusika, na ginontai flames, alla
> 8a einai, anagkasthka, duo eidwn:
>
> a. Flames me texnikous orous pou 8a apodeiknuoun logika ta epixeirhmata
> tous, xwris hard feelings, kai skopo tous 8a exoun na dei3oun pio
> kataskeuasma mhxanikwn uperterei kai se poious tomeis.

na simpliroso: xoris na ginontai eristika kai xoris na diatiponontai me
tetoio tropo oste o ypopsifios apanton na es8anetai ili8ios.

> b. Flames xabale, tou stul twn fwtografiwn pou esteile o verigakhs, opou
> ta epixeirhmata 8a 3ekinoun apo ba8ia ampelofilosofika, ews tou epipedou
> "emeis exoume kaluteres gkomenes" h' "oi programmatistes mas einai gay kai
> epomenws h omada mas exei mageluterh sunoxh, ara apodidei kalutera".

den iparxoun omades opos eipes kai noritera. Afto pou isxiei einia oti... re
gamoto, exete ena kati, ena tupe, pou fainetai arnitika.

> > An 8elete na breizete to linux kai na lete gia toys
> > linuxades ena karo paparies, ola mia xara, alla oxi sto spiti mas (dhl.
> > thn lista mas).
>
> Ma den brizoume to Linux, ti nohma exei na brizei kaneis to linux, ta
> windows, to OS/2 h' opoiodhpote allo kataskeuasma mhxanikwn? Nohma exei,
> mono, na brizei kaneis tous idious tous mhxanikous, tis
> etairies-organismous pou analambaoun thn prow8hsh, tous xrhstes, klp.
> Genika, apodektes twn brisiwn mporoun na einai mono fusika proswpa.

katalabaino to skeptiko sou, alla esi 8a pigaines sta grafeia tou ofi `h to
anti8eto na les zito o pana8inaikos? (akoma kai an o ofi anikei ston
pana8inaiko)? Oxi, kai kat afti ti logiki sas zitame na prosexete ti lete
(basika pos to lete)

> > Par' ola ayta epeidh sas 3erw prwsopika oloys toys dh8en bsd-ades,
ana8ema
> > kai an exete asxolh8ei kai agaphsei to bsd toso poly.
>
> Proswpika den exw asxolh8ei perissotero apo to na to sthsw sto PC mou,
> alla alloi exoun asxolh8ei arketa. Oso gia to "agaphsei", einai paparia na
> agapas ena leitourgiko susthma. Mporeis na agapas th mana sou, th gkomena,
> to gkomeno, tous filous sou, klp., genika mporeis na agapas FYSIKA
> PROSWPA, alla to na agapas ena leitourgiko susthma einai diastrofh.

mipos kolas stis lekseis perissotero apo oti prepei? ``agapo to linux'',
simainei mou aresei ipervolika to linux. Den to enoouse kiriolektika. Eimai
sigouros oti to ksereis oti den to enoouse kiriolektika, alla PALI to
petakses afto.

> > Egw nomizw apla sthn
> > prospa8eia sas na ginete diaforetikoi se ena synolo (opws einai oi
> > linuxades ayths ths listas) arxizete ta fanatika kata toy linux h/kai
> > linuxadwn.
>
> Kanenas fanatismos apo merous mas.
>

oute apo edo, apla zitame na tirountai kapioa pragmata, na anagnorizontia
kapoies aksies.

> > Kai to 3analew, apla mia apotyxhmenh prospa8eia na noiwsete
> > dh8en diaforetikoi einai olo ayto. Kai na 3erete xwris emas eseis den 8a
> > eixate logo na yparxete.
>
> Nai, alla poioi eisaste eseis? Eseis eisaste oi Linux-ades?

we are the MIB. :> xe, den eimaste tipota parapano apo mia omada topikou
xaraktira me koina endiaferonta. apla.

> > Geia sas kai xara sas...
> >
> > lefteris
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Stavros 0 Sahtouris wrote:
> >

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