Nea apo Stallman

[Stavros 0 Sahtouris]

On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Papadogiannakis Vagelis wrote:
>
> > E3allou, kanenas linuxas kai kanenas BSD-as den 8a
> > eprepe na uparxoun, den exei nohma o diaxwrismos. Einai san na malwnoun oi
> > politikoi mhxanikoi gia to an h e8nikh odws A8hnwn-Lamias einai kaluterh
> > h' oxi apo thn A8hnwn-Korin8ou kai na xwrizontai se Lamia-des kai
> > Korin8-ades.
>
> Stavro, se ektimo kai se sevomai oso kanena bsda ;>
> Alla, sou 8imizo oti apo tin proti mera pou gnoristikame, toulaxiston ego me
> esena, nomizo oti eimoun o PROTOS pou dilose kati tetoio. (sto installfest)

Ontws, 8umamai kati sxetiko.

> Se anti8esh fisika me esas pou itan profanhs o logos episkepsis sas. Na mas
> kanete na noiosoume asxima, na mas meiosete, kai na ``gelasete'' mazi mas
> (toulaxiston afto deiksate).

Zhtw sugnwmh an fanhke kati tetoio. Auto pou sthn pragmatikothta sumbainei
oti ws parea (kai oxi BSD-ades) mas aresoun oi zorikes suzhthseis, akoma
ki an den odhgoun pou8ena. Milw gia emena, ton Bentoura, ton Verigakh kai
merikous, akoma (alla autoi oi treis, basika, eimaste autoi pou exoume kai
kapoia sxesh me thn herlug). Malista, kapote eixame onomasei auto to, as
poume, paixnidi. To eixame pei EGID (Epixeirhmatologia GIa Diaskedash).
Otan eixa paei sto installfest sto TEI, diapistwsa oti oi omilites
tsimpousane se proklhseis gia EGID, opote prospa8hsa na "xw8w". Panta gia
diaskedash kai panta me thn elpida oti den 8a diaskedazw monos mou, alla
kai oi sunomilites mou h' kai to pi8ano akroathrio.

Pantws, den einai h prwth fora pou h tash gia "sklhrh" kai askoph
epixeirhmatologia ginetai antikeimeno pare3hghshs kai ermhneuetai ws
empa8ia, fanatismos kai diafora alla tetoia.

Epipleon, den einai oles oi suzhthseis mou (mas) EGID, orismenes fores
sthrizoume kai tis kanonikes mas apoyeis.

> Afto to apediksan oi erotiseis pagides pou
> kanate, kai o tropos pou xamogelousate gematoi efxaristish otan sas legame
> ``nai, exete dikio''

Otan to legate auto, htan san na xanate th maxh (alla oxi kai ton polemo
:), den eixame dia8esh na sas meiwsoume, eixame er8ei gia na
diaskedasoume. Alla den eixame er8ei mono gia na diaskedasoume, alla kai
gia na doume to fest.

> > Isws, me metro panta, na exei nohma to na uposthrizeis me tetoio tropo
> > p.x. thn GPL h' thn BSD adeia, me thn ennoia oti mazi me thn adeia erxetai
> > kai h antistoixh filosofia. To idio, omws to leitourgiko den einia
> > filosofia, einai ena kataskeuasma mhxanikwn, opws eipa kai se prohgoumeno
> > mail mou. Se auth thn periptwsh mporoun, fusika, na ginontai flames, alla
> > 8a einai, anagkasthka, duo eidwn:
> >
> > a. Flames me texnikous orous pou 8a apodeiknuoun logika ta epixeirhmata
> > tous, xwris hard feelings, kai skopo tous 8a exoun na dei3oun pio
> > kataskeuasma mhxanikwn uperterei kai se poious tomeis.
>
> na simpliroso: xoris na ginontai eristika kai xoris na diatiponontai me
> tetoio tropo oste o ypopsifios apanton na es8anetai ili8ios.

Xmm... Sthn EGID, opws thn kanoume emeis sthn parea (kai oxi emeis oi
BSD-ades) oi eristikes apoyeis kai h meiwsh ths proswpikothtas tou
"antipalou" einai 8emita mesa.

> > b. Flames xabale, tou stul twn fwtografiwn pou esteile o verigakhs, opou
> > ta epixeirhmata 8a 3ekinoun apo ba8ia ampelofilosofika, ews tou epipedou
> > "emeis exoume kaluteres gkomenes" h' "oi programmatistes mas einai gay kai
> > epomenws h omada mas exei mageluterh sunoxh, ara apodidei kalutera".
>
> den iparxoun omades opos eipes kai noritera. Afto pou isxiei einia oti... re
> gamoto, exete ena kati, ena tupe, pou fainetai arnitika.

Eimaste etoimologoi, 3eroume na paizoume EGID, oxi na kerdizoume tis
entupwseis (auto einai allo pragma).

> > > An 8elete na breizete to linux kai na lete gia toys
> > > linuxades ena karo paparies, ola mia xara, alla oxi sto spiti mas (dhl.
> > > thn lista mas).
> >
> > Ma den brizoume to Linux, ti nohma exei na brizei kaneis to linux, ta
> > windows, to OS/2 h' opoiodhpote allo kataskeuasma mhxanikwn? Nohma exei,
> > mono, na brizei kaneis tous idious tous mhxanikous, tis
> > etairies-organismous pou analambaoun thn prow8hsh, tous xrhstes, klp.
> > Genika, apodektes twn brisiwn mporoun na einai mono fusika proswpa.
>
> katalabaino to skeptiko sou, alla esi 8a pigaines sta grafeia tou ofi `h to
> anti8eto na les zito o pana8inaikos? (akoma kai an o ofi anikei ston
> pana8inaiko)? Oxi, kai kat afti ti logiki sas zitame na prosexete ti lete
> (basika pos to lete)

Pantws, stis perissoteres computeradikes listes ta flames sto stul ths
EGID einai karasunh8ismena kai kata th gnwmh mou arketa diaskedastika.

> mipos kolas stis lekseis perissotero apo oti prepei?

Nai, einai apo tis agaphmenes mou me8odous.

> ``agapo to linux'',
> simainei mou aresei ipervolika to linux. Den to enoouse kiriolektika.

To 3erw. O Lefterhs einai klasiko 8uma tetoiwn katastasewn, opote as mhn
ton epilegei kaneis gia na uposthri3ei tis apoyeis kapoias omades, group,
otidhpote. ( :) )

> > > Egw nomizw apla sthn
> > > prospa8eia sas na ginete diaforetikoi se ena synolo (opws einai oi
> > > linuxades ayths ths listas) arxizete ta fanatika kata toy linux h/kai
> > > linuxadwn.
> >
> > Kanenas fanatismos apo merous mas.

Auth thn entupwsh eixa ki egw, kai gi auto mou ekane entupwsh to mail sou.

> oute apo edo, apla zitame na tirountai kapioa pragmata, na anagnorizontia
> kapoies aksies.

Den exw katalabei, bebaia, poies einai autes oi a3ies. Ypo8etw oti einai
perissotero a3ies suzhthseis, agrafoi kanones sunomilias se duktiakes
listes. Alla auto einai allo zhthma.

> we are the MIB. :> xe, den eimaste tipota parapano apo mia omada topikou
> xaraktira me koina endiaferonta. apla.

Cool!

> papas at wise.gr

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Stavros Sahtouris