"Getting ready for the Desktop issue #321" (was: Mandrake 9.0 POLY ARGO: Poio einai to provlhma?)

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(ta <snip> ennountai)

On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 11:49:35AM +0300, Σταμάτης Κεκές wrote:
> >milousa perissotero gia sta8erothta sto desktop auto ka8'eauto. den exei
> >shmasia an to linux kratisei se ena server crash. alla to idio to x
> >server crash.
> >
> Hmmm ta Windoze einai stathera oso einai "adeia" an vazei kai vgazei 
> paketa kaneis tote arxizei to diaforiko tous na masaei katsavidia kai na 
> exeis tis agapimenes mou blue screen of death.
> Den leo omos oti ta X den skane. Pros theou. Alla omos mexri stigmis 
> poio syxna exo dei mple othones apo oti X crashes i kernel panicks.

Ta teleutaia xronia me ta 2k kai ta XP einai "kremastaria" ola auta me
to sumpa8io. Apo proswpikh empeiria kserw pws ena "bary" desktop
programma (prosekse, DESKTOP programma), 8a krathsei perissotero se
windows para se linux. 

Kai an den krathsei perissotero gia merikous, sigoura se 2k kai XP, de
mporei kaneis na pei oti exoume ta fainomena twn palaioteron ekdosewn.

> >Tropos tou legein to beta, mporei na einai beta, mporei omws kai na
> >einai merika stable versions me diaforetikes apaitiseis kai bugs.
> >
> Min ksexname oti bugs exoun kai ta closed source. Proto se paradeigmata 
> to leitourgiko tis M$!!
> <snip>

bugs exei ki'h hlektrikh mou skoupa ntaksi, mh to paratrabame.

> >>Yparxoyn omos kai efarmoges gia M$ kai Linux kai einai pio statheres oi 
> >>Linux version.
> >>Kai ayto pithanon na exei na kanei me 2 pragmata :
> >>1) Poio leitourgiko se endiaferei perissotero
> >>2) Se poio leitourgiko vlepeis na ginetai megalyteri xrisi aytou pou 
> >>parageis.
> >>
> >
> >upoti8etai den kaneis diakriseis. koitas to programma sou kai bazeis to
> >porting se deuterh mira. to an to porting einai eukolh h' duskolh doulia
> >sizitame.
> >
> An to programma skekinise ena arxi gia windows tote logika pairnontas 
> ypopsin to parapano, to linux port tou programmatos tha exei perissotera 
> bugs afou tha exei ginei to port mono gia availability kai mono.
> To idio de kai gia ta programmata pou ksekinisane se Linux kai 
> apofasistike apo tin omada na to kanoun port kai se windows.

Den einai ka8olou genikos kanonas auto. To Crystal Space 3D engine pou
einai LGPL kai sxedon oloi oi developers tou einai se linux, einai polu
sta8erotero se windows kai apo proswpikh empeiria kai apo martiries.
Giati opws eipa, ekei einai 5 pragmata na proseksoun, sto linux 15.

> >>Oxi alla otan kapoios exei ton pigaio kodika logika symvainoun kapoia 
> >>apo ta parakato pragmata:
> >>
> >>1) Den mporei na poulisei to proion an einai GPL i OpenSource i se 
> >>genikes grammes "free" pragma pou meionei to endiaferon ton software 
> >>houses mia pou theloun na exoun aytoi ton elegxo.
> >>
> >
> >Mporei na poulisei GPL paketa opws kanoun toses dianomes allwste.
> >
> Poulane GPL paketa ?? Apo oso ksero poulane mono ton kopo tous gia to 
> stisimo kai ta media pou dinoun ( CD's Manuals )

hahahaha, arxika diabasa "CDs Manolis", kolouse:p

E ne, to paketo, support kai manuals poulane. Kammia fora bazoun merika
closed source mesa opws ekane h Mandrake me ena firewall susthma, alla
ligo spanio.

> >Kati Autocad, 3d Studio max kai Photoshop exoun kratisei ekatommuria
> >xrhstes makria apo to Linux.
> >
> Ayto einai pragmatikotita mia pou me tis epidoseis tou to Linux tha itan 
> safos kalytero apo ta Winblow$ se tetoies efarmoges.

E, peripou. Exo dei diafora closed source kai sta duo, sta windows einai
pio sta8era. E, fusika de mporeis na apodikseis oti de dinoun
perissoterh prosoxh sto windows porting, alla kammia fora einai fanero
oti de fteei to programma auto ka8'euato.

Praktika. Exo dei closed na einai sta8erotera se windows gia ton aplo
logo polles kartes grafikwn einai ellipws upostirizomenes.

Kai fusika, h upostiriksh kartwn grafikwn einai to #1 kommati tis kalhs
desktop upostirikshs eidika otan milame gia "baries" efarmoges me
apaitiseis se grafika (polles fores megaluteres apo tou Quake3 opws
baria 3D Design programmata).

> >De katalabainw pws de mporei opws akribos kai sta windows ena aplo
> >closed source programma na kanei ta "security kolpakia" tou sto linux.
> >
> Giati apla sto Linux me ti diafaneia pou yparxei mporei kaneis pio 
> eykola na kanei reverse engineering kai na vgalei cracks ktl ktl apo oti 
> sta Windows.
> An to programma xrisimopoiei diktyo me kapoio diktyo me ena sniffer ( 
> pou yparxoun para polloi gia OpenSource leitourgika ) mporei eykola 
> kapoios na anixneysei ti zitaei ena programma kai na tou to dosei apo 
> allo dromo prosomoionontas tin katastasi.
> An as poume kapoios dei ena programma px MediaPlayer na stelnei 
> plirofories gia ta mp3 tou i gia ta CD tou mporei eykola me iptables i 
> me allo ergaleio tis epilogis tou na ta kopsei kai ayta.
> An pame se epipedo hasps ktl ktl yparxoun ta diafora *trace kai o gdb 
> opou mporei kaneis na kanei reverse engineering kai na dosei sto 
> programma ayto pou thelei diladi to license. Eno sta M$ litourgika kati 
> tetoio einai efikto mono me eidika programmata pou einai dyseyreta kai 
> panakriva.

Ok, kapoia remarks edo.

- cracks exoume gia ta panta kai se windows kai linux
- akoma kai me wine kaneis "reverse engineering" xrisimopoiontas linux
  debugging tools. de einai panta aparaitita ta linux binaries.
- kai genika, oi etairies sinithos poulane licences oxi se autous pou de
  mporoun na broun "cracks", alla se ekeinous pou
  a) 8eloun na einai "nomimoi"
  b) ekeinous pou fobountai ton elegxo ths etairias tous
 
ara, auto einai mikrhs shmasias 8ema, kai oi etairies to gnorizoun kala.

BTW, to mono pragmatiko kolpo kata twn "cracks" pou yparxei paramenei
mono ena: Na MHN dwsoun trials, demos klp, MONO na poulane CDs.

Ta mona programmata pou periorizontai(ke oxi panta glitonoun!) sth peiratia
einai ekeina pou de dinoun trials kai demos. OLA ta alla einai cracked,
hacked, fscked to the bone.

> I Aisiodoksia paramenei :-D

profanws:p

-mike