"Getting ready for the Desktop issue #321" (was: Mandrake 9.0 POLY ARGO: Poio einai to provlhma?)

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>milousa perissotero gia sta8erothta sto desktop auto ka8'eauto. den exei
>shmasia an to linux kratisei se ena server crash. alla to idio to x
>server crash.
>
Hmmm ta Windoze einai stathera oso einai "adeia" an vazei kai vgazei 
paketa kaneis tote arxizei to diaforiko tous na masaei katsavidia kai na 
exeis tis agapimenes mou blue screen of death.
Den leo omos oti ta X den skane. Pros theou. Alla omos mexri stigmis 
poio syxna exo dei mple othones apo oti X crashes i kernel panicks.

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>
>legontas "ta security kolpa toys" enoousa apla ta licence kolpa tous.
>
Ego to ethesa genika.

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>>Apla ypostirizoun ayti ti dianomi giati exei dokimastei to proion tous 
>>se ayti kai isos na exei graftei kai se ayti ti ianomi me ti 
>>sygkekrimeni version apo mia vivliothiki kai oxi kapoia neoteri i kapoia 
>>palioteri.
>>
>
>epeidi mono se mia *prolabainoun* h' exoun to prosopiko na
>upostririksoun. kai edo den einai "mas grafoun sta apauta tous", kammia
>sxesh. gia ta windows exoun mia omada gia XP mia omada gia 98, h' mia
>kai gia ta 2. Me th parousa katastash sto linux 8a 8elan mia omada gia
>to ka8e distribution.
>
Edo omos yparxoun kai distros pou allazoun slightly ton kodika kapoion 
vivliothikon kai ginetai tis kakomoiras.
To leo ayto giati an gia paradeigma i Qt i poioa alli vivliothiki itan 
idia se oles tis distro tote den tha ypirxe ayto to provlima alla 
anoigoume allou epipedou syzitisi se ayto to simeio kai tha to afiso os 
exei.
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>>Beta den exoi dei kapoia stable version apo tis dianomes pou exo piasei 
>>sta xeria mou ( RedHat, Debian, SuSE ) na vazei ektos ki an milas gia 
>>beta version kai oxi gia stable. An valeis beta eisai at your own risk 
>>my friend.
>>
>
>Tropos tou legein to beta, mporei na einai beta, mporei omws kai na
>einai merika stable versions me diaforetikes apaitiseis kai bugs.
>
Min ksexname oti bugs exoun kai ta closed source. Proto se paradeigmata 
to leitourgiko tis M$!!
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>>Yparxoyn omos kai efarmoges gia M$ kai Linux kai einai pio statheres oi 
>>Linux version.
>>Kai ayto pithanon na exei na kanei me 2 pragmata :
>>1) Poio leitourgiko se endiaferei perissotero
>>2) Se poio leitourgiko vlepeis na ginetai megalyteri xrisi aytou pou 
>>parageis.
>>
>
>upoti8etai den kaneis diakriseis. koitas to programma sou kai bazeis to
>porting se deuterh mira. to an to porting einai eukolh h' duskolh doulia
>sizitame.
>
An to programma skekinise ena arxi gia windows tote logika pairnontas 
ypopsin to parapano, to linux port tou programmatos tha exei perissotera 
bugs afou tha exei ginei to port mono gia availability kai mono.
To idio de kai gia ta programmata pou ksekinisane se Linux kai 
apofasistike apo tin omada na to kanoun port kai se windows.
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>>Edo mporei na pei o kataskeyastis oti ego thelo tin tade vivliothiki kai 
>>tin tade kai den exo dokimasei neoteres i palioteres tis opoies mporeite 
>>na xrisimopoiisete alla xoris na kseroume to apotelesma.
>>Pragma pou exo dei se arketa paketa sta requirements pou dinoun oi 
>>kataskeyastes ton.
>>
>
>e fusika:) alla, pesto ston ka8e user redhat, suse kai mandrake pou
>perimenei apo to proto installation na einai ola OK.
>
Hmmm edo exei na kanei kyrios me ta distro tools pou einai arketes fores 
pou den einai stimena kai parametroimena apo tin arxi.

> kai autoi oi
>xrhstes den einai gia "petama". Ekeinoi oi xrhstes ka8orizoun ena polu
>megalo meros ths anaptukshs mesw kai tis oikonomikhs alla kai tis h8ikhs
>kai prakrikhs tous upostorikshs opws bug reports esto kai an den einai
>toso "technical" fushs.
>
Symfono apolyta.
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>>Oxi alla otan kapoios exei ton pigaio kodika logika symvainoun kapoia 
>>apo ta parakato pragmata:
>>
>>1) Den mporei na poulisei to proion an einai GPL i OpenSource i se 
>>genikes grammes "free" pragma pou meionei to endiaferon ton software 
>>houses mia pou theloun na exoun aytoi ton elegxo.
>>
>
>Mporei na poulisei GPL paketa opws kanoun toses dianomes allwste.
>
Poulane GPL paketa ?? Apo oso ksero poulane mono ton kopo tous gia to 
stisimo kai ta media pou dinoun ( CD's Manuals )

>
>
>Eksalou DEN ti8etai 8ema. Mporoun kallista na einai closed source kai
>auto einai sebasto. 
>
>Prosopika, to open source einai EPI8IMITO, alla ta closed source tis
>Autodesk, Alias Wavefront, Adobe, 8a htan episis polu apodekta sto xoro
>mas.
>
Den tha diafoniso mia pou etsi polloi neoi xristes tha erxontousan sto 
Linux. Den eimai antithetos sto closed source apla prospatho na 
paratheso logous pou endexomenos i M$ kai kathe M$ den dinoun ta 
internals ton proionton tous.

>
>
>Kati Autocad, 3d Studio max kai Photoshop exoun kratisei ekatommuria
>xrhstes makria apo to Linux.
>
Ayto einai pragmatikotita mia pou me tis epidoseis tou to Linux tha itan 
safos kalytero apo ta Winblow$ se tetoies efarmoges.

>
>
>>2) O xristis apoktaei prosvasi se neyralgika kommatia touolou paketou 
>>kai mporei na krinei kalytera ti kai pos kai pote. Eno ta software 
>>houses theloun tis patentes me to meros tous kai o xristis na exei ena 
>>black box.
>>
>
>Koitakse, kseroume ta pleonekthmata tou open source. Tautoxrona kseroume
>omws pws kai kalutera na exoume ena closed source Autocad para na
>xrisimopoioumai Windows gia na to exoume.
>
Safos. Egkrino kai epayksano.

>>3) Den mporei na apokrypsei algorithmou ktl ktl pou exoun 
>>xrisimopoiithei kai ta copyrights fainontai. Kaneis den kseri ti 
>>pragmatika symvainei mesa se ena black box ektos apo otn kataskeyasti 
>>tou. Oi alloi apla to xrisimopoioun. Eno sto free fainontai ola. To 
>>blackbox thelei ena kalo kondyli gia reverse engineering kai pou se 
>>kapoies xores einia paranomo, alla kai akrivo kai ligoi to kanoun.
>>4) Den yparxoun privacy paraviaseis. Privacy paraviaseis, opos exei 
>>anaferthei kai sto parelthon kanan kapoia leitourgika (XP) pou dinan 
>>(kai isos na dinoun ) anafora ston kataskeyasti tous xoris tin egkrisi 
>>tou xrisi. Alla omos oxi mono sta leitourgika alla kai se alla 
>>programmata ( MediaPlayer ).
>>
>
>De katalabainw pws de mporei opws akribos kai sta windows ena aplo
>closed source programma na kanei ta "security kolpakia" tou sto linux.
>
Giati apla sto Linux me ti diafaneia pou yparxei mporei kaneis pio 
eykola na kanei reverse engineering kai na vgalei cracks ktl ktl apo oti 
sta Windows.
An to programma xrisimopoiei diktyo me kapoio diktyo me ena sniffer ( 
pou yparxoun para polloi gia OpenSource leitourgika ) mporei eykola 
kapoios na anixneysei ti zitaei ena programma kai na tou to dosei apo 
allo dromo prosomoionontas tin katastasi.
An as poume kapoios dei ena programma px MediaPlayer na stelnei 
plirofories gia ta mp3 tou i gia ta CD tou mporei eykola me iptables i 
me allo ergaleio tis epilogis tou na ta kopsei kai ayta.
An pame se epipedo hasps ktl ktl yparxoun ta diafora *trace kai o gdb 
opou mporei kaneis na kanei reverse engineering kai na dosei sto 
programma ayto pou thelei diladi to license. Eno sta M$ litourgika kati 
tetoio einai efikto mono me eidika programmata pou einai dyseyreta kai 
panakriva.

>
>
>Den xriazetai na APAITOYME stous pantes na einai GPL. Auto einai
>oneiriko kai la8os sth telikh. 
>
Ma den kaygadizoume my friend alla syzitame. Symfono giati yparxei kai 
enas megalos arithmos programmatiston pou kapos prepei na kerdisoun to 
psomi tous.

>
>
>H aksia tou na exeis ena LEITOURGIKO kai OLOKLHROMENO programma se
>closed source einai megaluterh apo to na exeis ena lipso kai
>misodoulemeno open source.
>
Emeis menoume sto leitourgiko na einai opensource. To programma as einai 
oti thelei LOL

>
>
>Exeis entuposh ti doulia exoun pano tous programmata opws to Autocad kai
>3D studio MAX? Auta ta programmata pernane tin prospa8ia enos kernel h'
>estw enos GNOME. Den milame gia asteia.
>
To ksero para poly kala ti kopo thelei gia na ginei ena Autocad i ena 3D 
Studio Max. Ego ayti ti stigmi milao akoma kai gia kati poly pio aplo 
opso einai oi logistikes efarmoges. As einia cloed source alla omos 
giati den protimane to Linux oi kataskeyastes prospatho na sou eksigiso.

>
>
>H uparksh autwn twn programmatwn einai epi8imith sto linux kai tromera
>xrhsimh.
>
Symfono kai epayksano!

>
>
>O Linus Torvalds eksalou eipe "h proth fora pou pragmatika xarika 
>siniditopoiiontas oti to Linux kanei epituxia htan otan h Oracle pou eipe
>oti 8a bgalei thn Database ths gia Linux". 
>
Nai alla oracle exo stisei kai se LFS systima sto spiti mou xoris kanena 
provlima.
An toulaxiston ekanan kai alloi mia tetoia prospatheia tha itan aksiepaino.

I Aisiodoksia paramenei :-D

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