"Getting ready for the Desktop issue #321" (was: Mandrake 9.0 POLY ARGO: Poio einai to provlhma?)

[Σταμάτης Κεκές]

fateswarm wrote:

>(ta <snip> ennountai)
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>On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 11:49:35AM +0300, Σταμάτης Κεκές wrote:
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>>>milousa perissotero gia sta8erothta sto desktop auto ka8'eauto. den exei
>>>shmasia an to linux kratisei se ena server crash. alla to idio to x
>>>server crash.
>>>
>>Hmmm ta Windoze einai stathera oso einai "adeia" an vazei kai vgazei 
>>paketa kaneis tote arxizei to diaforiko tous na masaei katsavidia kai na 
>>exeis tis agapimenes mou blue screen of death.
>>Den leo omos oti ta X den skane. Pros theou. Alla omos mexri stigmis 
>>poio syxna exo dei mple othones apo oti X crashes i kernel panicks.
>>
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>Ta teleutaia xronia me ta 2k kai ta XP einai "kremastaria" ola auta me
>to sumpa8io. Apo proswpikh empeiria kserw pws ena "bary" desktop
>programma (prosekse, DESKTOP programma), 8a krathsei perissotero se
>windows para se linux. 
>
Ma gia desktop den milame tosi ora ?
Afou ekei to etheses os thema ekei to gyria ki ego :-)
Otan les tha kratisei ennoeis posi ora tha meinei zontano i poso 
diastima tha kratisei i egkatastasi sto mixanima ?

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>Kai an den krathsei perissotero gia merikous, sigoura se 2k kai XP, de
>mporei kaneis na pei oti exoume ta fainomena twn palaioteron ekdosewn.
>
Mpa oi mple othones synexizontai apla exei alaksei to periexomeno. O 
fontos pali mple einei ;-)

>>Min ksexname oti bugs exoun kai ta closed source. Proto se paradeigmata 
>>to leitourgiko tis M$!!
>><snip>
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>bugs exei ki'h hlektrikh mou skoupa ntaksi, mh to paratrabame.
>
<plaka>

Giati oxi ?? Plaka den exei na psaxneis bugs stin kathimerini zoi ??

</plaka>

>Den einai ka8olou genikos kanonas auto. To Crystal Space 3D engine pou
>einai LGPL kai sxedon oloi oi developers tou einai se linux, einai polu
>sta8erotero se windows kai apo proswpikh empeiria kai apo martiries.
>Giati opws eipa, ekei einai 5 pragmata na proseksoun, sto linux 15.
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>>Poulane GPL paketa ?? Apo oso ksero poulane mono ton kopo tous gia to 
>>stisimo kai ta media pou dinoun ( CD's Manuals )
>>
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>hahahaha, arxika diabasa "CDs Manolis", kolouse:p
>
<joke>
Mipos CD's Grigoris, Thanasis, Giorgos ( Giorgo ?? (ena dyo tria tessera 
ktl ktl pao ti gnosti diafimisi ) )
</joke>

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>E ne, to paketo, support kai manuals poulane. Kammia fora bazoun merika
>closed source mesa opws ekane h Mandrake me ena firewall susthma, alla
>ligo spanio.
>
Kai i SuSE ekane kati tetoio me trials kyrios opso to VMWare.

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>>>Kati Autocad, 3d Studio max kai Photoshop exoun kratisei ekatommuria
>>>xrhstes makria apo to Linux.
>>>
>>Ayto einai pragmatikotita mia pou me tis epidoseis tou to Linux tha itan 
>>safos kalytero apo ta Winblow$ se tetoies efarmoges.
>>
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>E, peripou. Exo dei diafora closed source kai sta duo, sta windows einai
>pio sta8era. E, fusika de mporeis na apodikseis oti de dinoun
>perissoterh prosoxh sto windows porting, alla kammia fora einai fanero
>oti de fteei to programma auto ka8'euato.
>
Oxi os sinithos ftaine ta winblow$ gia tis mple othones kai ta crashes ;-)

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>Praktika. Exo dei closed na einai sta8erotera se windows gia ton aplo
>logo polles kartes grafikwn einai ellipws upostirizomenes.
>
Kai genika den einai mono oi kartes grafikon alla kai allou eidous 
kaertes me apotelesma na min mporoun na grafoun antistoixa kernel 
modules i XServers i oti telos panton apaiteitai gia na doulepsei sosta 
ayti i karta sto Linux.

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>Kai fusika, h upostiriksh kartwn grafikwn einai to #1 kommati tis kalhs
>desktop upostirikshs eidika otan milame gia "baries" efarmoges me
>apaitiseis se grafika (polles fores megaluteres apo tou Quake3 opws
>baria 3D Design programmata).
>
Symfono kai epayksano. Eidika gia ta 3D pou apaiteitai otan i karta exei 
fysika chip 3d na epomizetai to varos enos 3d kai oxi i CPU.

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>>>De katalabainw pws de mporei opws akribos kai sta windows ena aplo
>>>closed source programma na kanei ta "security kolpakia" tou sto linux.
>>>
>>Giati apla sto Linux me ti diafaneia pou yparxei mporei kaneis pio 
>>eykola na kanei reverse engineering kai na vgalei cracks ktl ktl apo oti 
>>sta Windows.
>>An to programma xrisimopoiei diktyo me kapoio diktyo me ena sniffer ( 
>>pou yparxoun para polloi gia OpenSource leitourgika ) mporei eykola 
>>kapoios na anixneysei ti zitaei ena programma kai na tou to dosei apo 
>>allo dromo prosomoionontas tin katastasi.
>>An as poume kapoios dei ena programma px MediaPlayer na stelnei 
>>plirofories gia ta mp3 tou i gia ta CD tou mporei eykola me iptables i 
>>me allo ergaleio tis epilogis tou na ta kopsei kai ayta.
>>An pame se epipedo hasps ktl ktl yparxoun ta diafora *trace kai o gdb 
>>opou mporei kaneis na kanei reverse engineering kai na dosei sto 
>>programma ayto pou thelei diladi to license. Eno sta M$ litourgika kati 
>>tetoio einai efikto mono me eidika programmata pou einai dyseyreta kai 
>>panakriva.
>>
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>Ok, kapoia remarks edo.
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>- cracks exoume gia ta panta kai se windows kai linux
>
Nai den diafono apla sto Linux ithela na po oti einai pio eykolo na ta 
dimiourgisei apo oti sta windows.

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>- akoma kai me wine kaneis "reverse engineering" xrisimopoiontas linux
>  debugging tools. de einai panta aparaitita ta linux binaries.
>
Pardon ?? Den to katalava. Mipos mporeis na mou to theseis kalytera 
giati me to wine apo oso ksero trexeis winblow$ binaries.
A.... mallon tha ennoeis oti mporei na ginei reverse engineering se 
Winblow$ binaries.

<joke>

Tora ta binaries nomizo oti einai aparaitita. Fantazesai na trexan ta C 
sources apo mona tous ??

</joke>

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>- kai genika, oi etairies sinithos poulane licences oxi se autous pou de
>  mporoun na broun "cracks", alla se ekeinous pou
>  a) 8eloun na einai "nomimoi"
>  b) ekeinous pou fobountai ton elegxo ths etairias tous
>
Nai symfono. Apla aytoi pou vgazoun tous mixanismous kleidomatos 
prospathoun na kratisoun makrya apo to proion tous kai aytous pou 
vgazoun ta craks. Sta Winblow$ einai pio mikro ayto to pososto.

>
> 
>ara, auto einai mikrhs shmasias 8ema, kai oi etairies to gnorizoun kala.
>
>BTW, to mono pragmatiko kolpo kata twn "cracks" pou yparxei paramenei
>mono ena: Na MHN dwsoun trials, demos klp, MONO na poulane CDs.
>
Hmmm mipso ksexnas kai ta warez ?
Tora gia ta cracks yparxei mia theoria. Oti kleidonei yparxei panta 
tropos na ksekleidonei ;-)

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>Ta mona programmata pou periorizontai(ke oxi panta glitonoun!) sth peiratia
>einai ekeina pou de dinoun trials kai demos. OLA ta alla einai cracked,
>hacked, fscked to the bone.
>
Kai ayta pou kyrios vasizontai se HASPs kai loipa hardware locks pou 
einai ligotero eykolo na prosomoiothoun me software.

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>>I Aisiodoksia paramenei :-D
>>
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>profanws:p
>
I aisiodoksia mou ayksithike :-P

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