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[Bug Powder]

asdf wrote:

> Isos o tipos aftos na dikaioute logo tis istorias tou na
> kanei kritiki (oxi me afto ton tropo)

Thn eixe hdh kanei poly prin paraith8ei, to project management
tou Netscape 4 ginontan olo kai pio a8lio, kai h Netscape olo kai
pio megaloetairia xamenh se business kolpa.

> alla esi oxi.

Pws oxi!

O xrhsths exei ka8e dikaiwma na askei kritikh, eidika an htan
pistos ths Netscape gia 6 xronia mexri pou auth  apoblakw8hke
teleiws.

Kai, pera apo xrhsths, pou sto katw katw apla dialegw ena allo
browser (twra xrhsimopoiw Konqi sto Linux kai IE sta win), ama
mou prhzei ta ar&*^(*&^)&^na grafw kai epaggelmatika kwdika
html kai javascript pou na doulevei sto 4 XRONIA PALIO Net-
scape pou den yposthrizei swsto DOM kai CSS apla kai mono
epeidh den mporoun na vgaloun ena kalo Mozilla na ginei dh-
mofiles, exw akoma perissotero dikaiwma.

O logos pou to Netscape me tis adynamies tou mas prhzei
akoma ta arx&^(% einai epeidh o Mozilla apetyxe sthn aposto-
lh tou.

Otan bghke to Netscape 3 kaneis den xrhsimopoiouse
Netscape 2 meta apo ligo. Otan bghke Netscape 4 kaneis
den xrhsimopoiouse Netscape 3 meta apo ligo. Mexri
twra auto den exei epanalhf8ei. Akrivws epeidh o Mozilla
den einai "up to the task", e3akolou8oume na xrhsimopoi-
oume Netscape 4 apo anagkh (emeis sto UNIX, dhladh:
sta Windows exoun to IE). Auto einai aisxos!

(Arketoi einai ikanopoihmenoi me ton Mozilla. Den peirazei,
edw alloi einai ikanopoihmenoi me ton dhmarxo Aslanh).

> Re v tora, sorry pou 8a stin po, alla mallon eisai ligo kakentrexhs.

Oxi ligo, poly.

> Diladi tous plironeis esi i o allos o xamenos o arximixanikos tis
> netscape kai sas trone ta lefta tsampa?

Nai. Oxi egw, h Netscape omws nai. Megalos ari8mos twn
developers tou Mozilla einai ypallhloi ths Netscape kai dou-
levoun epi plhrwmh gi'auto. Epeidh einai Open Souce den
shmainei oti oloi ekei einai xompistes.

H Netscape pisteve oti 8a petyxaine kati kalo kanwntas Open
Source to Netscape, alla auto thn dielyse, afou tosa xronia ar-
gotera den exei tipota sta xeria ths pou na antagwnizetai to IE.
(To "Netscape 6" einai ena asteio).

< O allos o arximixanikos tis netscape, an prolabainei na
> dosei simasia se otidipote allo ektos apo tis aspres grammes pou exei
> *xaraksei* sto bar tou, as steilei aftos kodika kai as stamatisei na einai
> mizeros kai kakentrexis.

O allos exei dwsei hdh tonous open source kwdika, e3allou stous
arxikous (KALOUS) Netscape autos htan o main programmatisths,
opws kai ta xscreensavers, diafora utilities, twn XEmacs, klp klp.

> Apo ti stigmi omos pou de kanete tipota gia na kaliterepsete mia
katastasi,
> min tin krinete arnitika, propantos otan stirizetai se e8elontiki vasi.

Dhladh an diafwnw me mia katastash kai pistevw oti einai adie3odh
8a prepei na prospa8hsw na thn beltiwsw? Oxi, kalytera na prospa-
8hsw na thn dialsyw etsi wste h prospa8eia na paei se alles mh adie-
3odes (kata thn gnwmh mou panta) katastaseis.

> Kai oxi, de me siginei ka8olou o karagiozis arximixanikos tis netscape

Prosoxh, o Jwz einai 8rylikos programmatisths, kai exei dwsei tonous
kwdika pou kykloforoun se ka8e open source dianomh. Den einai enas
"karagkiozhs arximhxanikos ths Netscape".

>  pou tin exei dei ksafnika barovios (mallon itan stravos apo prin o tipos)
> kai anamesa stis grammes pou legame, exei apofasisei na minei piso
> kai na exei netscape (kai malista 4 kati).

Oi Netscape mexri ton 4 htan alh8inoi browsers kai h MS den eixe tipota
na antidei3ei. Meta malakisthkan, exasan thn agora kai shmera exoume
f8asei na einai monopwlio h MS.

> Meta mas lene kolimenous oi non-*nix, kai exoun dikio. An eimastan oloi
> san kai ton barovio, de 8a ipirxe CSS2, ka8e fora pou kaname resize ena
> para8iro 8a eprepe na ksanafortonoume ti selida, de 8a vlepame sosta
> selides oute tables, de 8a eixe ginei standard i xhtml, ton poulo diladi,
8a >
> xrisimopoiousame ton lynx telika

Den katalabes, to idio akrivws kathgorei o "barovios" tous anikanous tou
Mozilla. Oti malakisthkan gia terastio diasthma, to project phge kata
diaolou,
den 3eran ti h8elan na ylopoihsoun, o kwdikas egine syntoma a8lios klp
kai etsi eimaste akoma ANAGKASMENOI na meinoume pisw.

O barovios (opws kai egw) 8a H8ELE enan leitoyrgiko Mozilla. Alla DEN
yparxei. Yparxei sthn 8esh tou ena teras apo apopsh mnhmhs, me 960
anoikta reported bugs meta apo 4 xronia. Exeis akousei thn ekfrash "per-
petual beta"?

O barovios DOKIMASE na xrhsimopoihsei Mozilla sta kiosks tou,
alla opws eipe krasarei san ta windows 3.1. Gi' auto anagkastike
na 3anagyrise sto NS4.

> A, na sou po omos, an oi selides einai text (to mono gia to opoio einai
> ikanos o netscape < 4.72)

O Netscape < 4 ylopoiouse OLA ta protypa ths epoxhs, kai e8ete kai
merika apo monos tou. Oi antistoixoi IE ths epoxhs htan saxlamares
mprosta sto Netscape. OLOI xrhsimopoiousame NS tote.

Anti8eta me to NS poy symbabize me thn epoxh tou, phre 4 GAMH-
-MENA xronia sto Mozilla na ylopoihsei ta standards tou 1999 kai
akoma kai twra den to kanei kala.

> Epi tou 8ematos, mporei na exei 167324643 e+4 bugs, alla poses fores sou
> kolaei esena otan trexei? Giati emena mou kolaei safos ligoteres apo oti
> konq, alla perissoteres apo oti o IE. Giati kai an grapsoun to
``bookmarks''
> ``BookMarks'', kai afto bug einai. Opos episis einai bug oti sta debugging
> symbols, eprepe na afaire8ei to 1 apo mia timi mias metavlitis pou
> tiponetai. Se xalase pote?

Eixa svhsei ta ypoloipa 900 esteila mono kammia 10ria bugs. Akoma
kai apo auta omws, den ta parakatw:

103860  blo -- PC hyatt at netscape.com ASSI  M097, N621 and Trunk crash [@
nsXULWindow::GetPositionAndSi

79665  cri -- PC jst at netscape.com NEW  Rendering page causes browser to stop
responding and start l

81993  cri -- PC waterson at netscape.com REOP  Mozilla almost hangs on this
page with <FONT> tags not close

81993  cri -- PC waterson at netscape.com REOP  Mozilla almost hangs on this
page with <FONT> tags not close

crash, hangs, segfaults, klp.

> Esi, exeis meinei paraponemenos apo ton mozilla? afto mono,
> de 8elo na mou peis tipota allo, afto mono pes mou.

>  Afto pou den kseroun omos kai polloi, epeidi pote den eftasan
> sto simeio na to proseksoun, (itan mikroi tote), einai oti mexri pou
> i netscape siniditopoieise oti exase to paixnidi, ton XREONE to
> malaka to netscape.

3anakoita3e ta biblia istorias sou. H NS egine megalh dinontas
tsampa ton NS (xrewne gia ton epaggelmatiko server ths).

> Edo plironoume to NS pou einai xalia.

Kaneis den plhrwnei ton NS.

> As stamatisei loipon afti i agapi gia ton NS, den tou aksizei.

Hsoun sto Web thn epoxh tou NS?