Nea apo Stallman

[Sidirourgos Lefteris]

On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Stavros 0 Sahtouris wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Sidirourgos Lefteris wrote:
> >
> > Oxi Stayro, den soy leei oyte na sebese to linux, oute oti
> > einai iero. Ayto poy leei (kai symfwnw) einai kalh h plaka kai o xabales,
> > alla mhn 3exnate oti edw einai lista me "fanatikoys" toy linux
>
> Emena de mou aresoun oi fanatikoi opioudhpote pragmatos, dioti oi
> fanatikoi ieropoioun auto pou uposthrizoun.

Kai omws esy eisai fanatikos twn anousiwn mail :PPPPPPP
(blepete paliotera mail toy SAxtour giati prepei na stelnoyme noysia mail
kai flames)

>
> > kai enw
> > mporoyme na mhlame me toys diaforoys bsd-ades gia antalagh apopsewn kai
> > wraiwn flames, zhtame na yparxei kai o antistoixos sebasmos sthn
> > "filo3eneia" mas.
>
> Se pio shmeio DEN dei3ame sebasmo oi diaforoi BSD-ades (opws apokaleis esu
> tous mh fanatikous)? E3allou, kanenas linuxas kai kanenas BSD-as den 8a
> eprepe na uparxoun, den exei nohma o diaxwrismos. Einai san na malwnoun oi
> politikoi mhxanikoi gia to an h e8nikh odws A8hnwn-Lamias einai kaluterh
> h' oxi apo thn A8hnwn-Korin8ou kai na xwrizontai se Lamia-des kai
> Korin8-ades.
>

Emeis pote den 3ekinhsame na leme tipota gia toys bsd-ades, mia zwh esy
kai h mourga h parea soy 3ekina tetoia flames!!!

> Isws, me metro panta, na exei nohma to na uposthrizeis me tetoio tropo
> p.x. thn GPL h' thn BSD adeia, me thn ennoia oti mazi me thn adeia erxetai
> kai h antistoixh filosofia. To idio, omws to leitourgiko den einia
> filosofia, einai ena kataskeuasma mhxanikwn, opws eipa kai se prohgoumeno
> mail mou. Se auth thn periptwsh mporoun, fusika, na ginontai flames, alla
> 8a einai, anagkasthka, duo eidwn:
>

Panta pisw apo ka8e leitoyrghko yparxei mia filosofia kai profanws gia
aythn ginete olh h koybenta.

> a. Flames me texnikous orous pou 8a apodeiknuoun logika ta epixeirhmata
> tous, xwris hard feelings, kai skopo tous 8a exoun na dei3oun pio
> kataskeuasma mhxanikwn uperterei kai se poious tomeis.
>
> b. Flames xabale, tou stul twn fwtografiwn pou esteile o verigakhs, opou
> ta epixeirhmata 8a 3ekinoun apo ba8ia ampelofilosofika, ews tou epipedou
> "emeis exoume kaluteres gkomenes" h' "oi programmatistes mas einai gay kai
> epomenws h omada mas exei mageluterh sunoxh, ara apodidei kalutera".
>
> > An 8elete na breizete to linux kai na lete gia toys
> > linuxades ena karo paparies, ola mia xara, alla oxi sto spiti mas (dhl.
> > thn lista mas).
>
> Ma den brizoume to Linux, ti nohma exei na brizei kaneis to linux, ta
> windows, to OS/2 h' opoiodhpote allo kataskeuasma mhxanikwn? Nohma exei,
> mono, na brizei kaneis tous idious tous mhxanikous, tis
> etairies-organismous pou analambaoun thn prow8hsh, tous xrhstes, klp.
> Genika, apodektes twn brisiwn mporoun na einai mono fusika proswpa.
>

Brizeis omws toys linuxades:)

> > Par' ola ayta epeidh sas 3erw prwsopika oloys toys dh8en bsd-ades, ana8ema
> > kai an exete asxolh8ei kai agaphsei to bsd toso poly.
>
> Proswpika den exw asxolh8ei perissotero apo to na to sthsw sto PC mou,
> alla alloi exoun asxolh8ei arketa. Oso gia to "agaphsei", einai paparia na
> agapas ena leitourgiko susthma. Mporeis na agapas th mana sou, th gkomena,
> to gkomeno, tous filous sou, klp., genika mporeis na agapas FYSIKA
> PROSWPA, alla to na agapas ena leitourgiko susthma einai diastrofh.
>
> > Egw nomizw apla sthn
> > prospa8eia sas na ginete diaforetikoi se ena synolo (opws einai oi
> > linuxades ayths ths listas) arxizete ta fanatika kata toy linux h/kai
> > linuxadwn.
>
> Kanenas fanatismos apo merous mas.
>
> > Kai to 3analew, apla mia apotyxhmenh prospa8eia na noiwsete
> > dh8en diaforetikoi einai olo ayto. Kai na 3erete xwris emas eseis den 8a
> > eixate logo na yparxete.
>
> Nai, alla poioi eisaste eseis? Eseis eisaste oi Linux-ades?

Poios einai linux user 3ereis poly kala, esy eixes grapsei ena mail me to
poios einai linuxas, des ta threads an den 8ymasai....

Geia sas kai xara sas kai se sas:)

Shmera o Vaggelis baptizei to paidi toy!!!

Ante kala baptisia:)

lefteris


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> > Geia sas kai xara sas...
> >
> > lefteris
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Stavros 0 Sahtouris wrote:
> >
> > > Mallon peri pare3hghshs prokeitai. Epipleon, ti malakies einai autes pou
> > > les peri sebasmou? O sebasmos einai kako pragma kai prepei na
> > > apofeugetai. Ki esu mas les na sebomaste kati, kai malista ena
> > > leitourgiko susthma (!!!) ? As coolaroume ligo! Eipame, kalo to Linux,
> > > alla esu ftaneis na to 8ewreis iero, kati gia to opoio kaneis den prepei
> > > na milaei xwris na to umnei, klp. Siga t' auga! Ena gamhmeno OS einai,
> > > me ta kala tou kai ta kaka tou, ena kataskeuasma kapoiwn mhxanikwn, kai
> > > malista ena EMPORIKO kataskeuasma. As hremhsoume, den hr8e to telos tou
> > > kosmou.
> > >
> > > Papadogiannakis Vagelis wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:23:13 +0300 (EEST)
> > > > Giorgos Verigakis <verigak at vtrip-ltd.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > (whatever he wrote)
> > > >
> > > > loipon mages, kalos o xavales alla kapou kapou kalo einai na skeftomaste pou eimaste, poios mas dinei bandwidth, xoro sto disko, cpu cycles kai ola ta alla oraia. o HELLUG. Hellenic Linux Users Group.
> > > >
> > > > Apefthinomai se sas pou metaksi asteiou kai sovarou (fisika asteiou afou den sas pairnei sto sovaro) kati panta vriskete na peite.
> > > >
> > > > Eisaste se mia lista linux. Kalo einai na ti seveste kai na min prokaleite me ton ena i me ton allo tropo. To oti sas dextikame edo, de simainei oti eimaste anagasmenoi na ka8omaste na akoume ta komplexia sas. Den leo, poli kala paidia mporei na eisaste, kai o ka8enas apo esas gamo ta miala/programmatistaras/gamaua/whatever, alla apo sevasmo miden.
> > > >
> > > > Prosopiki mou gnomi einai oti einai arosto na fonazete kai na snobarete (esto me to diko sas apotiximeno kai eknevristiko tropo) otidipote exei sxesi me linux. Propantos eseis pou pote den voithisate mia ideologia (esto kai ti diki sas) me kanena tropo. Pote den simetexate se mia ekdilosi, kati telos panton pou 8a sas ekane na deixnete oti endiaferestai gia kapoio kalo skopo, opos kai an ton orizoume (kai orizete).
> > > >
> > > > Afou loipon kratate tis gnoseis kai tis empeiries sas gia tin parti sas, kalo 8a einai na kratate kai ti gnomi sas gia tin parti sas, outos i allos den endiaferei kanena. Opos akrivos de mas endiaferei an kapoios apo esas einai gay, etsi akrivos de mas endiaferei kai i gnomi sas. de mas endiaferei an o tade 8a agoraze ksenodoxeio i o deina de 8a i8ele na tou ta plirosoun. mas endiaferei gia to LINUX, giafto kai legomaste herlug.
> > > >
> > > > Nai ksero, xalara me afto mou to mail ginomai ef8iktos klp (simpliroste kata voulisi, pali de me endiaferei), giati eseis to kanete gia plaka/sizitisi/antalagi_apopseon, sosta? Ok, to dexomai oti to kanete gia afto. E epeidi edo einai lista gia linux, kai ego o linuxas eimai trelos, xazos, vlakas. ili8ios, kleistos tipos,, den sas goustaro. Oxi gia tipota allo, alla me ti lambri ejairesi enos atomou oloi oi alloi simetexete mono ``gia plaka'' kai malista me ifaki ipotimitiko. de goustaro re paidi mou na me vrizoun sto spiti mou de goustaro otan anoigo tin porta mou se kapoio na mpainei mesa kai na mou leei ``ego eimai cool tipos, esi eisai tsipis'', de goustaro. De goustaro na kseftilizoun toso ti filoksenia mou me sxolia tou tipou mlkke kkeml, kai alla. Sto finale ti sas noiazei ti 8a katantisei to linux afou den to goustarete? kai entaksei, elafrada exete, to akatalogisto exete, eleftheria gnomis/ logou exete alla ego den eimai anagasmenos na sas akouo sto spiti mo!
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> > > > ka8ara loipon, i piaste na simazeftite, i piaste na tin kopanisete. Kai epeidi emeis oi linuxades eimaste kai malakes kai eniote tin trome kai ston kolo, an ipothesoume oti ka8estai telika, tin epomeni fora pou 8a ksanaginei kati tetoio 8a tin kopaniso ego.
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> > > > Vagelis Papadogiannakis
> > > > http://www.wise.gr
> > > > papas at wise.gr
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