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[Giannis Papaioannou]

Giannis Beredimas wrote:
> Giannis Papaioannou wrote:
> 
>> Auto to thread ginete olo kai pio asteio. Perasa apo slackware se 
>> debian kai twra se ubuntu. Endiamesa dokimaza kai kana allo distro 
>> (redhat, mandrake, suse ktl). H diafora slack me debian htan 
>> terastia. Slackware = ena xaos pou prepei na frontizeis na 
>> ka8arizeis synexeia. Debian = pio organwmeno, apt-get[0].
> 
> Ti skata sxesh exei to opoiodhpote package tool me thn "organwsh" den
>  katalaba.

an 3anadiabaseis ti lew parapanw 8a deis oti ennow pio organwmeno apo to
slackware (domh filesystem, kai kapoia pragmata opws to pam pou tote den
eixe to slackware), to apt-get to anaferw 3exwrista alla sigoura boh8aei
kai auto sthn organwsh, afou mporeis na anaba8mizeis to systhma syxna
xwris na afhneis ypoleimmata.

> Dhladh to Suse, to opoio as dextoume ws ypo8esh ergasias oti einai 
> a8lio [0], ama tou baleis APT [1] kai arxizeis na bazeis paketa me 
> "apt-get install foo" anti mesw tou Yast ksafnika egine organwmeno 
> kai gamAto?
> 
> Eleos an einai etsi to gentoo einai h kalyterh dianomh [2].

des parapanw 3ana. Epishs otan 8elw na alla3w kati sto /etc de
xreiazetai na tre3w Yast gia na to kanw swsta, exw thn epilogh na to
kanw kai me vi.

Kai poly shmantiko, me to apt mporw na exw ena mixed systhma apo stable
kai unstable releases elegxomena xwris na katereei to sympan. To kako
einai oti prepei na diabaseis to manual prin arxiseis ta peiramata kai
synh8ws autos einai o logos pou kai empeiroi xrhstes opws o DJ Art
synantoun problhmata otan dokimazoun kati neo.

>> Prosfata eixa kai mia gnwrimia me to fedora, gia to opoio den exw 
>> tipota 8etiko na pw, ektos isws apo thn egkatastash pou egine pio 
>> eukola apo ta synh8h debianized distros. To yum einai paparia. 
>> h8ele extra paketo gia to ntfs module kai den ebriske ta ntfs 
>> partitions sto disko mou xwris na balw xeri sto hal, to opoio einai
>>  mia a8lia efeuresh pou sto fedora douleuei akoma pio xalia.
> 
> Ontws einai mia paparia, kyriws giati einai panargo, alla oxi epeidh 
> 8elei extra paketo gia to ntfs (eleos pia ...).

Ena apo auta pou me xalasan htan kai auto, den htan to mono. Ena allo
htan otan anakalypsa ti prepei na kanw gia na kanw ena custom kernel rpm
(me ta patches tou fedora ennoeitai).

> Twra giati de sou douleve to ntfs partition ... e "kapoia mamakia 8a 
> ekanes" me to module. H isws na mh ftaiei to module alla einai 
> sxetiko me to hal (to opoio I guess ftaiei to Fedora pou einai a8lio 
> to package,

den ekana kamia mamakia, meta thn prwth egkatastash otan phga na dw ta
ypoloipa partition tou diskou anakalypsa oti den yphrxe to module gia
ntfs, koita3a sta paketa tou dvd kai to brhka ekei. Gia poion hli8io
logo to ntfs module eprepe na mpei se diaforetiko paketo sthn idia
dianomh? Afou to perasa kai auto anakalypsa oti to fstab sbhnetai kai
3anagrafetai mono tou apo to hal, xwris omws na bazei ta ntfs partitions
mesa.

> alla an exei problhma to kdesu sto Kubuntu den einai problhma tou 
> Kubuntu alla tou KDE <== malakies sto tetragwno dhladh, mpas kai 
> peistoume oti to [A-Z]Ubuntu einai "kalosthmeno").

Otan kati de douleuei swsta sto KDE de shmainei oti ftaiei to Ubuntu,
Den einai oi maintainers ths ka8e dianomhs ypeu8ynoi gia ola ta bugs twn
mainstreams. An den epaize to xorg me th karta grafikwn mou de 8a
kathgorousa prwta to kubuntu.

> Mia kai eipame NTFS ta Xristougenna epaiksa ligo me to laptop tou 
> mikrou aderfou mou, pou eixe balei Ubuntu se 2o partition. To 
> kalosthmeno Ubuntu loipon ekane mount to NTFS partition me dikaiwmata
>  "dr-x------ root root", opote kai htan prospelasimo mono apo root 
> processes (polyyy bolikoooo!). Fysika proste8hke h katallhlh eggrafh 
> sto "/etc/fstab" alla apo ena "Linux for human beings" 8a perimena 
> kati perissotero.

an kai de 8ymamai na synanthsa tetoio problhma, toulaxiston to fstab to
elegxei o xrhsths.

> Epishs to "kalosthmeno" Ubuntu oudepote tou anagnwrise to modem giati
>  kapoios ksypnios 8ewrei oti ta human beings exoun ola ekswterika h 
> seiriaka modem kai osoi exoun winmodem einai elefantes (se anti8esh 
> me to Yast ... eee .... to Suse pou to eide amesws). Kai mh mou peis 
> kamia eksypnada gia OpenSource/ClosedSource/GPL kai alles tetoies 
> mpourdes:

nobody is perfect + to oti oi drivers enos modem mporei na einai
closedSource/nonfree den einai mpourda.

> antistoixoi logoi (anaitiologhtos fobos gia nomikes kinhseis apo thn 
> MS) apotrepoun to inclusion tou NTFS module sto Fedora.

edw les esy mpourdes, giati kati tetoio den yfistatai, to module yphrxe
kanonika sthn dianomh. Alla akoma kai na yphrxe tetoio nomiko problhma
den 8a aforouse to fedora alla to linux to idio.

> Ti allo? A nai, den epaize swsta to ACPI kai h endeiksh ths mpatarias
>  htan kollhmenh sto 0. Kati pou epishs tou eixe paiksei mia xara me 
> to Yast [an sto shmeio ayto anarwtiesai giati kshlwse to Suse: htan 
> Way2Slow].

h mpataria mou fainetai kanonikotata apo thn arxh. Esy katalabes gia
poio logo den epaize sto laptop? oi dyo diaforetikes dianomes eixan ton
idio kernel? Alla mia stigmh, sthn arxh katariomastan autous pou ta
automatopoiousan ola, kai twra mas peirazei pou prepei na doume to
/etc/acpi. Stous entelws asxetous kai egw suse tous proteinw.

>>> Και όλα αυτά επειδή η MS είχε κάνει εξ αρχής βλακεία και αν δεν 
>>> είσαι στο Administrator group, δεν μπορείς να δουλέψεις σωστά.
>> 
>> To opoio den exei kamia apolytws sxesh me to sudo sto ubuntu.
> 
> Gia thn akribeia einai sxedon to idio, apo th stigmh pou me sudo 
> mporeis na kaneis *ta panta* xwris na ksanabaleis password (opws kai 
> sta Windows). H monh diafora einai oti by default o xrhsths einai 
> non-root.

nope, mporeis na ksanatre3eis sudo xwris password gia ta epomena 5
lepta. Allwste den exei nohma na to sygkrinoume me thn MS taktikh, kai
to su to trexeis mia fora kai kaneis ta panta xwris na 3anabaleis
password, arkei na mhn kleiseis to shell.

Apo tous perissoterous pou den tous arese to ubuntu, gia to sudo mou
paraponiountai, eleos

> Kata ta loipa h omoiothta me to Suse alla kai tis perissoteres 
> "user-friendly" distros pou kata kairous exw dokimasei, kai ta 
> Windows akoma, htan foberh: ypoti8etai pws mporeis na kaneis xalara 
> th douleia sou me to GUI, alla spaniws 8a katafereis na kaneis ta 
> panta me to GUI

Ma sta windows mono me gui douleueis, eite auto einai to regedit eite to
windows repair.

> kai 8a xreiastei na bouthkseis ta xeria sou sta sk***. Kai epeidh 
> fysika einai h xakia, ths xakias, w xakia, diapistwneis oti den einai
>  ta gnwsta

einai h xakia ths xakias giati to ka8e ti to syneisferei kapoios
diaforetikos ta distro prospa8oun na ta shmazeupsoun. Auto einai to
pleonekthma pou exoun ta linux, oxi to meionekthma.

To ubuntu mou fanhke kalosthmeno giati an synantousa kapoio problhma h
lysh htan profanhs, toulaxiston se mena, de xreiazotan panta na katalabw
ti eidous xakia paizei opws to ntfs module me to hal sto fedora. Tis
perissoteres fores h apanthsh htan sto README.Debian sto /usr/share/doc/*

> sk*** pou oloi exoume ma8ei kai agapame alla kati poly ksexwristo kai
>  monadiko.
> 
> Kalosthmeno my ass ...
...
> [2] Ka8oti exei to pleon kalytero kai isxyro package tool apo oles 
> tis dianomes linux, to Portage [kai prin petaxtei kanas keramidas kai
>  arxisei na leei istories, NAI oi maintainers kanoun apisteytes 
> malakies, alla de ftaiei to package tool epeidh o maintainer tou 
> Apache apofasizei out-of-the-blue na allaksei location sta config 
> files]

kai edw fainetai giati to debian/ubuntu (me thn boh8eia tou apt) einai
poio organwmeno (kai o logos pou exei megala release cycles).


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JHN