Aporw

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Top posting gia sinolikes apantiseis...

1) Einai gnosto oti i apantisi se ola einai 42, alla to ksepername

2) Sxetika me ti prospa8ia tou OLPC...

Ka8e simeio pou anafer8ike exei iper kai kata. Gia mena to OLPC
antiprosopevi ena oraio texnologiko pirama/prospa8ia/klp apo to opoio
profanos osoi asxolountai me auto se kati perissotero prosblepoun apo to
na dosoun ena laptop se ka8e paidi. 8eloun kai prosopiki proboli kai na
fanoun i8ikoi kai eyes8itoi kai na paroun perissotera lefta gia ta
ergastiria tous (kai tous idious, giati oxi?) kai na apoktisoun prosbasi
se etaireies, klp, klp.

I Afriki den einai o monos proorismos tou OLPC. Oles, sxedon, oi xores pou
den exoun to Ditiko biotiko epipedo mporoun na ofeli8oun apo tin iparksi
tou. I iparksi enos ergaleiou sta xeria enos talantouxou mporei na kanei
tin diafora. Sta 10.000 OLPC ta 9.999 8a pane xamena. Ena, omos, pou 8a
aksiopoii8i katallila ftanei.

Pragmati i anr8opini epinoitikotita einai astireyti, opote i anafora
paradeigmaton gia to pos 8a xrisimopoiisi kapoios ena OLPC inai aploiki.
Dosto tou kai aston na paiksei monos tou.

Profanos kai iparxoun perissotero piestika problimata pou prepei na
antimetopistoun. An omos stamatagan ta panta mexri na l8ioun auta, kanenas
den 8a eixe proxorisi. An mexri na bre8i i giatreia gia tin fimatiosi
stamatage ka8e alli prospa8ia se ka8e allo xoro... Parallila ginontai ta
pragmata kai kapoia, anipopti, stigmi sigklinoun. Apo pleyras pliforikis,
auto mporoun ('h 8eloun), auto kanoun. Esto kai an apotixei, einai ena
ma8ima gia olous.

To OLPC den 8a lisei, apo mono tou, kanena problima. Einai aplos ena
li8araki se enan estiasmeno xoro. To mono pou prospa8i einai na katastisei
tin texnologia perissotero prosbasimi se osous perissotero ginetai, me
tin, aploiki ontos, apopsi oti texnologia leipei. Os psospa8ia den einai
kaki, toulaxiston oxi perissotero kaki apo tis diafores "eirineutikes
dinameis".

To zitima tou leitourgikoi (Linux 'h Windows) gia tous skopous tou OLPC
einai, apo texnikis pleuras, teleios adiaforo. Apo politikis plauras, omos
terastia. I Micro$oft exei tin dinami na to stamatisei to project. Opos
kai i Intel. Den epilex8ike tixaia i AMD. Kanenan apo tous megalous tis
pliroforikis den simferei na bgei ena tetoio laptop. Giati ean auto kanei
100 kai mporei na kanei to 90% ton pragmaton pou 8elei enas xristis, giati
emeis ta agorazoume apo 600 kai pano?

Eidikotera, tora, gia tin Afriki... As min autapatomaste. Tin Afriki tin
8eloun etsi opos einai. Tin Kina pou i8elan na tin dinamosoun,
ksepetaxtike se ligotero apo mia dekaetia. Proteino to ntokimanter "O
efialtis tou Darbinou (Darwin's nightmare)" kai to film "O epimonos
kipouros" gia prosfates maties.

Epitides den egrapsa se poion apantao. Apantao stin Lista. Auth kserei.

Euxaristo,
-Stathis

> Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>>> Se kapoion pou pinaei, tou dineis to psari 'h tou ma8aineis na
>>> psareyei?
>>>
>>
>> Και τα δύο.  Αυτή η συγκεκριμένη έκφραση είναι από τα αγαπημένα μου
>> "φόλς ντιλίμαζ".  Δεν κατάλαβα γιατί δηλαδή κάποιος που κάνει μαθήματα
>> ψαρέματος πρέπει να ψωμολυσσάει στο μεταξύ.
>>
>
> It is even worse. Milhsame gia ierarxhsh anagkwn, prin. Or8on.
>
> Oi anagkes wstoso briskontai se mia amfidromh sxesh me to biotiko
> epipedo, kai telika sxhmatizoun mia pyramida. An den exeis na fas,
> 8eleis ryzi h kalampoki. An exeis kalampoki, 8eleis mia mprizola. An
> exeis mia mprizola alla kruwneis, 8eleis mia kouberta. An exeis mia
> kouberta, 8a xreiasteis mia sompa. ktl ktl.
>
> Mporeis na eksyphrethseis anagkes pou briskontai se diaforetika epipeda.
>  Kapoios pou den exei ryzi, 8a kalodextei mia mprizola kai mia sompa,
> kai  na paei na gamh8ei h kouberta kai to ryzi. De mporeis omes na
> phdhkseis  50 layers sthn pyramida kai na isxyristeis oti kalypteis
> pragmatikes  anagkes. To la8os poy kanoun osoi xrhsimopoioun to
> epixeirhma "einai  kalytero na exeis kai to psari kai to OLPC", ksexnane
> oti aplws gemizoun  thn koryfh ths pyramidas, h opoia omws den pataei
> poy8ena.
>
> Otan telika katalhkseis na exeis sxedon ta panta, endexomenws na sou
> xreiazetai mia prasinh bentley me xnoudwta mwb ka8ismata. Oi an8rwpoi
> einai eksairetika efeyretikoi sto na kalyptoun tis trypes sthn pyramida,
>  me opoio tropo mporoun. An dwseis thn prasinh bentley me ta xnoudwta
> mwb  ka8ismata se kapoion pou den exei mia sompa, oso kai na tou aresei
> h  bentley, pi8anotata 8a thn poulhsei kai 8a agorasei th sompa.
>
> To OLPC opws to blepw egw, pasxei apo to idio terastio cultural
> dependency poy pasxei olo to Internet, kai en telei olh h plhroforikh -
> einai prosarmosmenh stis anagkes tou dytikou mesoastikou lifestyle. Ayto
>  den to kanei aplws axrhsto, to kanei kati xeirotero - axrhsto KAI
> asxeto. To afrikanopoulo, akoma kai otan 8a ftasei sto epipedo na to
> xeiristei to laptop sto sxoleio tou, ti akribws 8a to kanei? 8a diabazei
>  slashdot kai wikipedia, 8a anebazei videos sto youtube, h 8a katebazei
> amerikanikh pop mousikh me 0.99$ per song apo to iTunes?
>
>>>> 4) An dextoume oti to "computer literacy" einai shmantiko ws pros to
>>>> oti sou dinei th dynatothta na doulepseis kapou pou xreiazontai
>>>> basikes gnwseis xeirismou ypologistwn (giati den perimenw p.x. na
>>>> balei h Dhmokratikh Dhmokratia tou Kogko [1] ki allh mia dhmokratia
>>>> sto onoma ths epeidh ksafnika o kosmos apekthse prosbash sto Swahili
>>>> content tou wikipedia.org), tote einai kalytero na deixnoume se
>>>> kapoion asxeto me ypologistes, kati pou endexomenws na synanthsei
>>>> kai argotera (dhladh Windows), h kati pou den prokeitai mallon na
>>>> ksanadei pote?
>>>>
>>> Einai kalitero na tou deikseis auto pou mporei na agorasei. Prosexe,
>>> leo "agorasei" kai oxi na to prosfereis dorean. Nomizeis oti i M$ ua
>>> dosei ta Winblows dorean?
>>>
>>
>> Προσοχή στο "αν" με το οποίο ξεκινάει η παράγραφος του Χρήστου.  Όταν
>> είσαι οχτώ χρονών, στην Ουγκάντα, και πρέπει το πρωί να περπατάς 12
>> χιλιόμετρα για να βρεις νερό να πλύνεις το μεσημεριανό σου, είναι
>> όντως πιο σημαντικό το "computer literacy" από "κάτι άλλο";
>>
>> Νομίζω πως ΑΥΤΟ ήθελε να πει ο Χρήστος, κι όχι αν είναι το Linux
>> καλύτερο από τα Windows για το μέσο Αφρικανόπουλο.
>>
>
> Ennoousa kai ta dyo - kyriws to prwto, alla kai to deytero isxyei. An
> kaneis ston meso xrhsth thn erwthsh "windows h linux?", h apanthsh 8a
> einai "windows". Den exw kanena logo na ypo8esw oti h apanthsh tou mesou
>  Afrikanopoulou otan ftasei sto shmeio na endiafer8ei gia computer
> literacy, 8a einai diaforetikh. Den exoume lysei kan *basika* problhmata
>  usability, pou apasxoloun *computer-literate* an8rwpous (h lista ayth
> einai trano paradeigma tou problhmatos), kai pame na epilysoume to
> problhma tou computer literacy me UNIX?
>
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