"Getting ready for the Desktop issue #321" (was: Mandrake 9.0 POLY ARGO: Poio einai to provlhma?)

Σταμάτης Κεκές skekes at pylones.gr
Fri Apr 4 11:04:01 EEST 2003


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>koita ntaksi, sobara milontas, oso anikanh einai h microsoft na
>prosferei ena pragmatika low level periballon ston xrhsth, sto opoio low
>level sumperilambanetai kai h probolh tou idiou tou source pou
>dhmiourgei to environment, exoun dwsei ola ta lefta sto na kanoun ena
>leitourgiko pou exei para8irakia. me ta xronia eftase se ena epipedo
>sta8erotitas se auto to tomea pou ksepernaei kata polu ta unix
>leitourgika.
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Genika stin M$ den metraei arnitika to oti einia closed source oso i 
astatheia.
Kai to oti para polles fores den yparxoun eksigiseis gia ta lathi pou 
prokyptoun kai arketes fores den mporei na anaparagagei kaneis gia na 
kanei debug. Sto linux kai sta alla unix like leitourgika exeis pliri 
diafaneis gia to ti trexei ekeini ti stigmi kai vlepontas talogs na 
katalaveis ti synevei. Kati pou mono apo ypotheseis mporeis na 
katalaveis sta M$ Winblow$.
 Tora gia statherotita, hmmm poio einai to megalytero uptime pou exei 
dei kaneis ?? MEgalytero apo 1 evdomada ? Megalytero apo ena mina ?? 
Megalytero apo xrono ??
 Apo prosopiki mou peira eixa ena freebsd se enan prosopiko mou pelati 
pou akoma kai simera doulevei kai exei uptime 572 meres! Gia Linux ligo 
ligotero gyro stis 450 meres. Ara ean ena leitourgiko thelei reboot 
kathe toso pos mporei na xaraktiristei stathero ??

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>alla, me dedomeno oti oi perissoteroi developers akoma kai xrhstes twn
>unix leitourgikwn koitane perissotero to low level kai to terminal
>environment para to desktop, den einai 8ema perissoterwn xrhmatwn oute
>perissoterhs empeirias. apla, ean o kosmos twn unix leitourgikwn
>apoktisei perissotero kosmo pou asxolitai me to desktop 8a ginoun
>kalutera pragmata, eite an to sunolo twn an8rwpwn pou asxolountai ginei
>megalutero, eite ean metatopistoun merikoi nyn concole users sto
>desktop.
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Sigoura tha symfoniso mazi sou alla omos ton teleytaio kairo sigoura 
exoun ginei simantika vimata sto xoro tou desktop.

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>Epeidi poloi edo skeftontai oti einai anwfelo na metatopistoun console
>users sto desktop na apanthsw oti yparxoun poloi sobaroi logoi gia na
>sumbei auto. den einai mono pos blepeis ta email sou kai pou grafeis ti
>c sou, einai kai ti akribos 8es na kaneis. an mia mera kapoios hardcore
>console user mpei se mia omada pou ftiaxnei ena grafiko programma, opws
>p.x. ena 3D CAD programma pou xwris X server 8a htan axrhsto h' apla
>panasxhmo, 8a xriastei na perasei sto desktop. Ekei 8a dei pws exei
>apaithseis opws exei kai se ka8e allo environment tou prosefere to
>terminal.
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>Episis, 8a me poun malaka edo poloi, alla de peirazei, oi closed source
>etairies prepei na exoun ena sta8ero periballon anaptukshs ton
>programmatwn tous. Gia na doume perissoteres megales etairies na
>antimetopizoun to linux san platforma polhsewn tous 8a prepei kai na to
>empisteuontai gia ta security kolpa tous alla kai na ais8anontai oti
>exoun na kanoun me kati pou de 8a allaksei ragdaia se ena xrono, kai
>epishs na kseroun oti auto pou bgazoun 8a apeu8in8ei sto 100% h' estw
>sto 90% twn linux xrhstwn.
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Tora ethikses ena thema pou legetai security! Pos mporei kaneis na 
theorisei ena systima asfales otan to idio tou to API tou epitrepei na 
trexei agnostou fysis programmata transparently ( tetoia einai oi ioi ) 
kai me periergi dikaiodosia gia operations me to hardware. Tha mou peis 
oti kai sta *nix like OSes yparxoun trojans kai rootkits kai synexeia 
anakalyptontai exploits alla omos o rythmos emfanisis ton ion kai 
antistoixon trojans kai exploits gia tia $Winblow$ einia poly megalyteros.
 To oti den tha allazei ragdaia i M$ exei kratisei tin paradosi ton 2 
eton ana leitourgiko apo oso exo dei apo ta 98 kai meta. To thema einai 
omos to xaratsi pou tha prepei na plironei ena user eidika me ta XP pou 
ta exoun kanei syndromitika pleon. Ayto den einia asymforo ?

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>Exoume gia paradeigma thn Alias Wavefront, pou ekane th polh sebasth
>kinhsh na kukloforisei to Maya gia linux. H etairia auth den einai pekse
>gelase, exei apo pisw oloklhrh omada pou grafei documendation. To
>documendation pou grafoun - edo 8a parakseneutoun poloi - grafetai
>parallhla gia windows kai linux, an diabaseis se windows ta docs tous
>sunexos blepeis remarks gia linux, sa na mhn eftane auto, ksekinane
>legontas pia einai ta command lines gia thn efarmogh - asxeta oti auta
>isxioun kai se windows, de suni8izetai h xrhsh tous ekei.
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>Par'olh th prospa8ia ekeinhs ths etairias pano sti linux platforma exoun
>ena documendation team pou prepei na einai APSOGO gia na dikaiologisoun
>th timh pou dinoun sto proion alla kai ena support team pou prepei na
>einai APSOGO. 
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>Anagkazontai omws na upostirizoun MONO ti "tade" ekdosh redhat mexri th
>"dina" ekdosh redhat giati de mporoun na kanoun alliws. 8eloun na dwsoun
>to apoluta katatopistiko support kai xwris na kseroun ep'akribos ta mesa
>kai ta ekso mia dianomhs de mporoun na boithisoun toso swsta oste na
>dikaiologoun allwste th timh tou proiontos.
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Apla ypostirizoun ayti ti dianomi giati exei dokimastei to proion tous 
se ayti kai isos na exei graftei kai se ayti ti ianomi me ti 
sygkekrimeni version apo mia vivliothiki kai oxi kapoia neoteri i kapoia 
palioteri.

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>Mesa se ola auta uparxei to dedomeno oti den einai "anagkaio kako" na
>einai toso asta8es to desktop setup sto linux kai toso aparaithto
>na einai phgh tou kakou to gegonos oti einai open source. Me apla logia,
>den einai oute eu8inh twn etairiwn na einai open source oute na bgazoyn
>binaries twn programmatwn tous ka8e 3is kai ligo epeidi h kuria mandrake
>apofasise na balei ti tade beta eksosh twn X kai de ksero go ti allo. 
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Beta den exoi dei kapoia stable version apo tis dianomes pou exo piasei 
sta xeria mou ( RedHat, Debian, SuSE ) na vazei ektos ki an milas gia 
beta version kai oxi gia stable. An valeis beta eisai at your own risk 
my friend.

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>H unix koinothta exei na "geuetai" th xrhsh enos terminal environment
>pou exei perasei 30 xronia dokimasiwn kai testing, ena desktop
>environment pou mono ta teleutaia 5 xronia pou egine polu gnosto to
>linux arxisan na to pernoun sobara kai na kanoun ali8ino bug testing. 
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>Me ola auta sth mia meria, mh ksexname kai oles tis omades pou kanoun
>pragmata akoma kai se GPL sto desktop periballon. Exoume omades pou
>ftiaxnoun GPL cross platform 3d engines me platforma anaptikshs to linux
>kai einai pio sta8ero to software se windows!
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Yparxoyn omos kai efarmoges gia M$ kai Linux kai einai pio statheres oi 
Linux version.
Kai ayto pithanon na exei na kanei me 2 pragmata :
1) Poio leitourgiko se endiaferei perissotero
2) Se poio leitourgiko vlepeis na ginetai megalyteri xrisi aytou pou 
parageis.

> Giati; Giati ekei einai
>2 ekdoseis na tous endiaferoun toulaxiston auth tin epoxh. To windos XP
>kai to windos 98. Exoun ap'tin allh ena linux desktop environment pou
>eksartatai apo:
>- ti libraries gia DRM exei balei to ka8e distribution
>- ti drivers edose to nvidia group
>- ti <your library here> exei o ka8enas
>- ti <other app here> exei o ka8enas
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Edo mporei na pei o kataskeyastis oti ego thelo tin tade vivliothiki kai 
tin tade kai den exo dokimasei neoteres i palioteres tis opoies mporeite 
na xrisimopoiisete alla xoris na kseroume to apotelesma.
Pragma pou exo dei se arketa paketa sta requirements pou dinoun oi 
kataskeyastes ton.

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>Se mia epoxh opou tora to linux exei arxisei na apoktaei pragmatikh
>empeiria sto Desktop as mh geliomaste, oso omorfa kai an einai ta
>para8irakia mas kai ta kde mas kai ta icewm mas, toso asta8h einai sto
>blema tou sobarou desktop developer kai kuriws, twn closed source
>etairiwn pou 8eloun mia sta8erh platforma na patisoun pano kai gia
>kalutera proionta alla kai gia kalitero support.
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Oxi alla otan kapoios exei ton pigaio kodika logika symvainoun kapoia 
apo ta parakato pragmata:

1) Den mporei na poulisei to proion an einai GPL i OpenSource i se 
genikes grammes "free" pragma pou meionei to endiaferon ton software 
houses mia pou theloun na exoun aytoi ton elegxo.
2) O xristis apoktaei prosvasi se neyralgika kommatia tou olou paketou 
kai mporei na krinei kalytera ti kai pos kai pote. Eno ta software 
houses theloun tis patentes me to meros tous kai o xristis na exei ena 
black box.
3) Den mporei na apokrypsei algorithmou ktl ktl pou exoun 
xrisimopoiithei kai ta copyrights fainontai. Kaneis den kseri ti 
pragmatika symvainei mesa se ena black box ektos apo otn kataskeyasti 
tou. Oi alloi apla to xrisimopoioun. Eno sto free fainontai ola. To 
blackbox thelei ena kalo kondyli gia reverse engineering kai pou se 
kapoies xores einia paranomo, alla kai akrivo kai ligoi to kanoun.
4) Den yparxoun privacy paraviaseis. Privacy paraviaseis, opos exei 
anaferthei kai sto parelthon kanan kapoia leitourgika (XP) pou dinan 
(kai isos na dinoun ) anafora ston kataskeyasti tous xoris tin egkrisi 
tou xrisi. Alla omos oxi mono sta leitourgika alla kai se alla 
programmata ( MediaPlayer ).

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>Arga alla sta8era, "we're getting there" pantos, ego parameno
>aisiodoksos. 
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Ki ego parameno aisiodoksos.
Stamatis




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