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[Yiannis Galanomatis]

Leonidas Theodoulidis wrote:

>
> Mhn to les auto giati 3ereis polu kala pws oi microprocessors 8a
> xrhsimopoiountai sta panta (an den xrhsimopoiountai hdh), apo autokinhta
> mexri mi3er kai apo thlefwna mexri diasthmoploia. Malista mia tetoia
> kuriarxia kat' eme einai safws pio anhsuxitikh, ka8ws to hardware prouparxei
> tou software.

Mhpws enoeis oxi ta cpu's poy xeroume alla genikws gia kyklwmata LSI/VLSI?
Den gnwrizw an exei kai ekei h intel monopoleio. Alla ena chipaki allazei
efkola,
opws allazei kai to cpu. Fygan oi pentiums, hr8an oi Xeon h opws alliws legontai

oi 64 bit cpu's ths intel. Xanagrafetai kwdikas. To os omws? Allazei etsi
efkola,
afou bainei sthn ka8hmerinothta tou apolou xrhsth, ftiaxnontai programmata klp?

> Diaforetikh arxitektonikh 8a sumaine epanasxediasmos se
> mikroterh h megaluterh klimaka tou leitourgikou. Kai mou prosfereis edw ena
> akomh epixeirhma. Giati den anhsyxoume gia to monopwlio ths Intel; Mou
> fainetai polu upopto.
>

Den eipa kati tetoio. Anyshxw ontws gia thn intel, kai giafto exw parei amd.
Alla den thn fovaimai toso poly.

> Sigoura oxi. Omws to Internet den einai kati sugekrimeno kai den mporei na
> kuriarxh8ei apo kanenan.

Akoma kai an ka8orizontai ola ta protokola apo enan organismo? An enas
server den yposthrizei para ena mono yposynolo twn dynatothtwn ths
plhroforikhs, den apokleeis tous allous?

> Akribws giati einai polysun8eto, sugentrwnei polles
> texnologies, pollous endiaferomenous kai apaitei sunergasies. To paixnidi
> den paizetai se auto to epipedo. Ta monopwlia einai parwxhmenos tropos
> au3hshs ths epirrohs kai ths kerdoforias. Kai na 'sai sigouros oti h MS to
> gnwrizei kala auto. Aplws opws oles oi etaireies tou kosmou prospa8ei na
> au3hsei to kommati ths pittas pou ths analogei kai kala kanei. Kai su sth
> 8esh ths to idio 8a ekanes nomizw.

Den skopevw na prospa8hsw na eimai sthn 8esh ths!!! O kosmos twn epixeirhsewn
panta me ahdiaze. Giafto akrivws lew oti h sygroush ginetai metaxy prprietary
kai gnu
logismikou kai oxi M$/Redhat

>
> >Asxhma 8a htan to eley8ero logismiko na ginotan kanonas sthn plhroforikh?
> >8a htan san ena kratos na prosefere dwrean ths vasikes yphresies: Morfwsh
> >kai paideia, peri8alpsh, epikoinwnies, metafores, katoikia, klp.
>
> Polu kalo gia na 'nai alh8ino!
>

"Den eipa pws borw ton kosmo na allaxw. Afto omws den shmainei
pws 8a katsw kai 8a araxw"  (T.X.C.)

>
> >Etsi to linux dinei to dikaiwma ston opoiadhpote na xrhshmopoihsei tis
> >vasikes kai oxi mono
> >dynantothes tou pc tou, apotrepwntas etsi thn dhmiourgia taxewn xrhstwn,
> >analoga me tis oikonomikes tous dynatothes. Kai mh mou peis pws oloi boroume
> na
> >agorazoume
> >software. Ena Unix kanei ~500.000, ena photoshop kanei ~350.000 gia
> >paradeigma.
>
> Dhladh pisteueis pws mporoun oi xrhstes tou Linux se sunergasia na ftia3oun
> kapote ena PhotoShop; Proswpika den to pisteuw.

Ma milaw gia to Gimp! ( www.gimp.org )

> Pote den 8a eixe, akoma ki
> an ftiaxnotan kati tetoio thn omoiogeneia kai to "desimo" pou exei mia
> efarmogh pou 3ekinhse ws ena project se kapoioa etaireia pou apasxolei
> epaggelmaties programmatistes kai oxi xompistes pou epeidh o kairos einai
> broxeros eipan na grapsoun ligo kwdika na perasei h wra.

Xeris ti vroxh exei edw pou menw? Olh mera ka8e mera. Opote h anaptyxh
logismikou ka8e allo para argh 8a htan.
Den nomizw pos o Linus asxolhtai me to linux mono otan vrexei (vrexei sthn
florida??).
An htan etsi 8a hmastan sto linux 1.0

> Kaka ta psemata,
> oles oi megales dhmiourgies ftiaxnontai "kata monas". Akoma kai to Linux den
> to 3ekinhse kammia epitroph. Enas an8rwpos to 3ekinhse.

E, entaxei as to xekinaei enas kai as to synexizoun 100. Pou einai to provlima?
Ti perimenes? 100 hackers na eixan taytoxrona thn idea na ftiaxoun to Linux?
(an kai edw xwraei amfisvhtish)

> Isws se kapoia allh koinwnia...

Nai, an perimeneis na anatrepsoume ton kapitalismo, na katarghsoume thn
akmetalleysh tou an8rwpou apo an8rwpo, kai na kallierghsoume to
klima ths allhlosynergasias kai allhlovoh8eias...
tote mallon isws ka8hsterhsei to project tou Linux...

> Den katalaba. Yparxei kerdos h oxi; Mikro megalo den exei shmasia. Kai h MS
> otan htan mikro psari eixe mikra kerdh.

Oso pio mikrotero einai to kerdos toso pio akyndynes einai. Egw pantws fovamai
pws sthn prospa8eia na epekteinoun to Linux mhn to katanthsoun san ena
koino commercial leitourgiko kai xasei thn axia tou.

> Gia thn psuxh ths giagias tous
> prosferoun autes tis uphresies;

Oxi pros 8eou! Alla dysthxws einai aparaithtes...

> H pisteueis sthn upar3h altrouistwn kai
> malista stis HPA; Ki an akoma den exoun pesei ta korakia einai giati to
> Linux twra arxise na pairnei ta panw tou. Katse na abgatisei kai blepoume.

Sou eipa afto to fovamai kai malista poly

> Tous Amerikanous den exeis ma8ei; Apo thn muga 3ugi bgazoun kai 8a glutwsei
> to Linux;

Exei tis megalyteres elpides...

> Auto twra ti to '8eles; Atuxhs eirwneia.
> Pantws mhn me pare3hgeis an kanw ton sunhgoro tou diabolou. To kanw gia na
> ginetai paixnidi.

Oxi den parexhgw efoson den anavoun ta aimata. Kai egw thn syzhthsh thn
kanw giati provlhmatizwmai gia to mellon tou Linux. Eidallws ti 8a me 'noiaze?

> Ki egw opote xreiasthke me boh8hsan pragmati. Alla uparxoun kai periptwseis,
> pou einai malista perissoteres, opou mpainw gia na diabasw ta problhmata twn
> allwn,

!!!!! Den se ftanoun ta dika soy?? Ektws vevaia an eixes skopo na voh8hseis...

> gia kainourgies ekdoseis programmatwn k.l.p. gia na ma8ainw. Toloipon telika
> auto pou ma8ainw einai poso mapa einai ta 98 se sxesh me ta95. (Parepiptwntws,
> den exw akousei megaluterh anohsia. Apo tote pou balame sth douleia mou ta 98
> sxedon ola ta problhmata twn 95 e3afanisthkan. H sugrish edw ginetai
> throumenwn twn analogiwn, mesa dhladh sthn oikogeneia twn Win).

Kata thn gnwmh mou kaneis la8os. Se ola ta 98 pou exw dei, einai poly pio arga
kai
asta8h.
Peri sygrisewn, ok, aplws vlepw pws h m$ ginetai olo kai pio kakh

>
> Kat' arxhn mhn xrhsimopoieis tetoia paradeigmata giati kaneis den se
> pisteuei.

Ase afto to 8ema. Nomizw oti tetoia pragmata exoun symvei kai se allous.

> Esu mporei ekeinh thn epoxh na hsoun neos xrhsths twn Win h na mhn
> eixes empeiria sto sthsimo enos mhxanhmatos h na eixes problhma sto hardware
> h na uphrxan ena swro alloi logoi apo tous ametrhtous pou sumbainoyn sthn

Exw pc apo to 1/1991, exw asholh8ei me ta win, exw doulepsei se katasthma
ypologistwn kai exw kanei poleeeeeeeeeees egatastaseis. Xerw pws na
ega8hstw to excel. Allwste siga thn dyskoleia. Akoma kai h giagia mou
8a borouse na to kanei.
Koita den eipa oti ginetai kata kanona. Mia fora egine. Alla vlasthmousa
gia mhnes.

>
> plhroforikh kai den sumbainoun gia paradeigma sthn anorganh xhmeia. H
> plhroforikh kai ta problhmata einai 3adelfia. Ena pragma 8a sou pw. Diabase
> ta problhmata twn xrhstwn tou Linux se auth th lista. 8a deis oti se
> kapoious emfanizontai apisteuta pragmata. Ftaiei to Linux gi' auto;
> Kata deuteron. Giati tsatizesai me ton super-azor opws ton onomazeis; Kai
> sthn dikh mas lista uparxoun melh pou sunh8ws boh8oun allous. Autoi oi
> xrhstes loipon, me thn idia logikh, mas pernane gia hli8ious;
>

Ma o super azwr einai enas apo tous voh8ous sto excel, an katalaves gia poion
anaferomai! H lista tou linux exei skyllakia kai gatoules na voh8oun tous
xrhstes?

>
> Lew egw, gia katse re file, pioa einai h microsnot pou 8a apofasisei kai 8a
> epivalei
> thn xrhsh twn windoze me thn via (via = stamathma ekdoshs programmatwn)?
>
> An milas gia to DOS, giati les "stamathma"; Afou e3akolou8ei na ufistatai.
>

To DOS yfistatai? Plaka mou kaneis? Exw na dw anakoinwsh programmatos gia
DOS xronia kai zamania. Kata synepeia poios na asxolh8ei me to DOS twra?

>
> >Giati prepei na ypakouw kai na akolou8w oti prostazei h M$?
>
> Ma giati to paineis etsi; Kaneis den se upoxrewnei.

Ba? Kai an o scanner mou doulevei mono sta 98, an to software pou vgainei
einai mono gia 98 kai an o m$ie ega8istatai xwris na me rwtaei, pws les oti
den me ypoxrewnei?

> Thn douleia tous kanoun oi an8rwpoi.

E, kai? Prepei mhpws na tous lyph8w?

> Eleu8eros antagwnismos uparxei. Den katalaba pou einai to eglhma.
>

Antagwnismos? Den aresei afth h lexh sthn M$.
Alla kai o antagwnismos den odhgei se kala proionta, alla se petyxhmena
emporikws proionta. Opote den symfwnw na ginetai to logismiko katw
apo ton eley8ero antagwnismo.

> Xwris auton ton E3ellhnismeno "frixto" Explorer se plhroforw pws sthn Ellada
> to Internet den 8a eixe diado8ei toso, an auto shmainei kati. Ti ekane h
> Netscape; H mhpws einai ellassonos shmasias to zhthma ths glwssas;

Den nomizw pws h diadosh tou internet ofeiletai ston m$ie. Pio poly 8a
diadhdontan
an epeyte h timh tou ISP (edw 25kdrh/3mhno) kai h xronoxrewsh tou OTE.
Allwste oi leitourgeies tou browser einai aples. Back & forward, klp.
Den apaitoun proxwrhmenes gnoseis agglikwn.

>
> >Ws edw. Den 8a asxolh8w allo me ta eborika OSes. Thelw kati eley8ero, to
> >opoio na metavalletai analoga me tis anages twn xrhstwn, kai oxi me tous
> kanones
> >tou marketing.
>
> Sumfwnw apoluta. Mexri omws na oloklhrw8ei kai na wrimasei kati tetoio fulaw
> sto deutero surtari to CD tou emporikou OS.

Dysthxws kai egw to idio... Makari na borousa alliws...

> Na, se ligo 8a ftia3w mia
> mousikh sullogh se CD me thn boh8eia tou. Tsaka-tsaka. Giati an einai na
> mazoxizomai me to "eleu8ero" kai na mou bgei h pisth me 150 mail
> erwtapanthseis, kalutera na to ftia3w se kaseta sto Hi-Fi. Etsi einai file
> mou, o ka8enas sto eidos tou. Egw 8elw na eimai praktikos an8rwpos. Ti sou
> kanei th douleia; Auto na xrhsimopoieis.

Ews kapoiou shmeiou, symfwnw.

> Mhn to kaneis 8rhskeia. Oti ginetai
> 8rhskeia kai fanatismos den m' afora. An einai na sthsoume kanenan
> mail-server, ela dw Linux-aki. Twra se xreiazomai. Auta pou ftunw stous
> allous pou einai PAOK xasei-kerdisei,

O nikhths ta pairnei ola e? Edw den symfwnw. Mou 8hmizeis mia merida ellhnwn
pou allazei politikes pepi8hseis analoga me to poio komma prohgeitai stis
dhmoskophseis.

> pou einai islam kai 3ero pswmi na ta
> kanw o idios; Euxaristw den 8a parw.
>
> >To 8apsimo ths M$ einai psyxagwgia kai epeishs me8odos hremias. Den boreis
> >na fantasteis ti anakoufish niw8w otan vgazw exw olon to kahmo pou exw gia
> >thn M$. Doulia, diaskedash, psyxagwgia, ola prosferontai se ena kanali!
> >Den to vriskeis fantastiko?
>
> Gia sena isws na einai. Gia mena omws pou eimai o apodekths, pou to
> ufistamai einai aforhta kourastiko kai mizero.
>

> H8h kai e8ima, eipame...

>
> >> opws sthn 8eatrikh epi8ewrhsh pou 8aboun dh8en tous politikous...
>
> >Oi politikes epi8ewrhseis einai h deyterh mou megalyterh ikanopoihsh...
> >An kai stis politikes epi8ewrhseis den paragetai ergo alla mono
> >psyxikh ikanopihsh. Kati einai ki' afto...
>
> Mprabo, to 'pes monos sou. To zhthma s' authn thn lista omws einai na
> paragei prwtistws ergo kai oxi mono psuxikh ikanopoihsh.

MONO? E mhn ypervalloume. Ta flames gia thm microsnot mono sto telos
toy mail twn xrhstwn vlepw, san signature. Den eida pote mou oloklhro mail
afierwmeno sthn microsnot, (an kai den eimai poly kairo sthn lista)
ektws apo afta, pou sto katw katw einai ...filosofikes syzhthseis...

> Auto sou lew tosh
> wra. Egw erxomai sth lista gia na ma8w kai su mou les "edw diaskedazw". Ti
> na pw; Sugroush anagwn...
>
> >Ma den borw na katalavw giati yperaspizesai ton sevasmo pros thn M$, ton
> >megalytero antipalo tou eley8erou logismikou.... H8h kai e8ima 8a mou peis...
>
> Den uperaspizomai ton sebasmo pros thn MS. Thn exw xesmenh. Gia mena einai
> mia aformh. An den htan h MS 8a htan h Intel h Sun h den 3erw gw poios
> allos. Kai h aformh pou mou dinetai einai akribws na antiparate8w ston
> fanatismo kai sthn ka8eth diatupwsh. Exw kourastei na akolou8w omades,
> proswpa, idees, markes, kommata, mexri na apodeixtei, sthn fourtouna dhladh,
> oti ola htan paparia.

Ola? Den einai afto apopolitikopoihsh? Den 8a asxolhse me tipota?
8a koitas mono thn parth sou? Ka8ara synthritikh apopsh, opote na pou
pali yphreteis kapoion organismo/komma klp. Afton pou vrisketai
sthn 8esh "exousias".

> E3w apo ton xoro h pio kalh antipoliteush. Mesa sto
> paixnidi h pio sklhrh kubernhsh.

Den nomizw oti afto pou les einai swsto. H kalyterh antipoliteysh (Linux) den
polemaei thn pio sklhrh kyvernhsh? Alla kai kyriolektika na to eleges,
pali den pistevw oti htan swsto. An htan, 8a eixame gyrisei sto mesaiwna.
An kai ekei katey8ynomaste, alla me vradytero ry8mo.

> Den pisteuw loipon stis tampeles kai ara
> den pisteuw kai sto Linux, etsi opws to 8eteis toulaxiston. Apla to
> xrhsimopoiw, prospa8w na to ma8w perissotero, giati diakrinw panw tou merika
> alh8ina diamantia. Tipota perissotero.

montexrhstos > "Pws, egw den asxoloume me thn politikh? Egw malista pistevw kai
se
                         sygektrimenh politikh 8ewria."
isovhths>         "Alh8eia? Poia?"
montexrhstos> "Den xerw pws legetai, alla synopsizetai sto exhs: Koita thn parth

                       sou kai ase tous allous na kopsoun to laimo tous."
isovhths>         "Ma afto einai kthnwdhs atomikismos!"
montexrhstos>  "Goustarw! To hxera oti 8a eixe entypwsiako onoma!"
(arkas, apo to album "o isovhths")


> Sthn prwth kakotopia eimai etoimos na
> to egataleipsw.

!!!!!!!!!

> Den to uphretw. Auto apaitw  na me uphretei.

E telika poios 8a yphretei to meson pou yphretei tous allous?
An oloi 8eloume na parinoume, poios 8a dwsei?

Pantws ta m$ exoun kanei *polles* kakotropies. Giati den ta egataleipei kaneis?
Mhpws perimeneis to apolyto kai teleio leitourgiko? To Linux einai mia megalh
prospa8eia, oxi akoma toso wrimh, an kai doulevei kalytera apo tous wrimous (kai

ghreoterous). An den to yposthrixeis sta prwta tou vhmata pou den einai akoma
wrimo, pws 8a wrimasei? Ws dia magias? Mou 8ymizeis tis etaireies software
pou den ftiaxoun software gia linux epeidh den yparxoun arketoi pelates, kai oi
arketoi
pelates 8a yparxoun mono efoson 8a yparxei arketo software.

Mia parathrhsh. Ti paraxeno programma xrhshmopoieis gia ta news? Anti gia
"Re:" vazei "AP:" kai den topo8etei ">" prin apo to mail tou prwtou apostolea,
kai etsi me anagazeis na ka8omai kai na ta vazw monos mou (douleia akrws
spastikh).

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