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[Yiannis Galanomatis]

Leonidas Theodoulidis wrote:

>
> Katanow thn aganakthsh sou, ka8ws kai thn anagh olwn mas na 3exwrisoume apo
> tous koinous 8nhtous xrhstes twn Windows kai oxi mono (alh8eia uparxoun kai
> oi Mac,

Oi Mac, h Amiga, Atari, kai genika oti computer yparhei, borei na trexei Linux.
Oi mac exoun to legameno "mkLinux", an den kanw la8os. Opote o polemos
ginetai metaxy twn CPUs. 8ewrw kapos anohto na les oti to ena cpu einai
kalytero apo to allo. Ti eimaste sxediastes oloklhrwmenwn VLSI?

> kaneis mas omws den tous 8abei).

Kata thn gnwmh mou oi Mac exoun kalyterh arhitektonikh apo ta PC. Den exoun
interrupts... kwlofardoi... Ostwso oloi oi Mac anaptyssontai apo mono mia
etairia
(apple) me apotelesma ta koina symptwmata enos monopoliou.

> Nomizw omws oti pare3hghses kapoia
> pragmata. Egw milhsa gia wrimothta, oxi gia ka8wsprepismo.

Oxi, den nomizw oti einai anorimwtita na kanw ena asteio. Egw aplws eixa kanei
dyo erwthseis kai tis evala (1) kai (2) kai meta 8ymi8ika oti h8ela na rwthsw
kati allo kai anti gia na valw 1.5 evala 2.5, kai asteiefteike aftos pou
apanthse.
Egw aplws prospa8hsa na apanthsw analoga. Den katalavainw giati afto einai
anwrimothta.

> Den anaferomai
> sthn lektikh sumperifora mesa sthn lista, alla se kati polu pio ousiastiko.
> Ki an twra kordwnesai ton epanastath

Me sygxwreis, den aftoprovlh8hka, apla yperaspizw to eley8ero logismiko oxi
gia to diko mou symferon.

> apenanti sto katesthmeno ths Microsoft,
> skepsou oti kai h Microsoft kapote htan o epanastaths

Den dexomai san epanastath opoion epanastatei gia to diko tou symferon.
Gia paradeigma h Netscape den einai akrivws epanastaths apenanti sthn M$.
Ostwsw thn sympa8w poly perissotero...

> apenanti sthn IBM, me
> prwto frikio

MA PWS MOU EIXE XEFYGEI?!??!?!
Alh8eia tosa xronia pou 8avw thn M$ oute mia fora den skeftika na 8apsw ton
Gates koroidevontas ton gia thn kwlofatsa tou!! An kai afto den exei sxesh me
ta proionta ths m$, alla den peirazei, as parektrepoume kai ligaki...

> ton Gates.

Nai alla h IBM htan monopolio alla den eixe thn ikanothta na epekta8ei se allous

tomeis psyxagwgias, diaskedashs, plhroforishs. Opws twra h intel. Einai
monopolio
sta CPU. E kai? Prokalh vlavh se ena mono tomea ths agoras kai den prospa8ei
na epekta8ei poly pio makrya apo afton. Me alla logia den mou fenetai toso
apeilitiko
to mopopwlio mias etaireias hardware - anatrepetai efkolotera, kai den
epekteinetai
efkola se allous tomeis. Anti8eta h microsnot (ante, ms) an katakthsei ton
browser borei
na epivalei tis dikes ths me8odous epikoinwnias kai genika na monopolhsei to
internet.
Afto shmainei oti borei na prow8ei opoious 8elei. M'alla logia katakta kai to
e-borio.
Etsi opws epekteinetai kai sta media, se liga xronia ola ta mesa epikoinwnias 8a

anhkoun sthn M$. Sou fenetai kalo?

> 8a h8eles kai to Linux se liga xronia etsi; Den
> nomizw.

Den katalava, giati oxi?
To linux DEN einai akoma ena allo leitourgiko. Einai ena *eley8ero* leitourgiko,
opote
8a to krineis me alla kritiria.

Asxhma 8a htan to eley8ero logismiko na ginotan kanonas sthn plhroforikh?
8a htan san ena kratos na prosefere dwrean ths vasikes yphresies: Morfwsh kai
paideia,
peri8alpsh, epikoinwnies, metafores, katoikia, klp.
Etsi to linux dinei to dikaiwma ston opoiadhpote na xrhshmopoihsei tis vasikes
kai oxi mono
dynantothes tou pc tou, apotrepwntas etsi thn dhmiourgia taxewn xrhstwn, analoga

me tis oikonomikes tous dynatothes. Kai mh mou peis pws oloi boroume na
agorazoume
software. Ena Unix kanei ~500.000, ena photoshop kanei ~350.000 gia paradeigma.

Epipleon to linux den apeilei thn eley8eria ths epikoinwnias kai panw ap' ola
den prokeitai
na katapnixei opoiadhpote allh prospa8eia anaptyxhs leitourgikou, apodeixh
h symvatothta tou me ta alla perivallonta.
Xenas mhpws oti to linux legetai kanonika "GNU/Linux"? Afta ta 3 prwta grammata
kanoun thn diafora.

> An sunexisoume na 8ewroume to Linux dogma, tote na 'sai sigouros oti
> kapote 8a sumbei. Allwste kai shmera akoma oi etaireies dianomwn gia ta
> diafora Linux nomizw oti einai kerdofores. Kai ws tetoies 8a epi8hmousan
> peraiterw anapth3h. Na o sporos ths Microsoft. Ki otan ginoun megales kai
> tranes emeis 8a e3akolou8oume to xeirokrothma;

Kaneis la8os gia diaforous logous.
1) Oi distributors DEN katexoun pnevmatika dikaiwmata sto linux. Einai epeishs
   ypoxrewmenes nomika (vlepe GPL) na dinoun to kwdika mazi me tis dianomes.
  Epeishs den exoun to dikaiwma na antigrapsoun twn kwdika tou linux. H GPL leei

  pws opoio proion vasizetai se kwdika gpl prepei kai afto na vgei se gpl.
  Xehnas oti exoume ka8e dikaiwma na kanoume copies tou Linux? Malista
  sta manuals prosferoun kai odhgies gia egatastash apo diktyo h opoiodhpote
allo
  mesw, me monh paraklhsh na dwsoume an 8eloume kapoio poso sthn FSF. (oxi stous

  idious).
2) Oi distributors voh8an to linux prosferontas yphresies s'afto, ews kai
sygrafh kwdika,
   anaptyxh efargmogwn klp. Den avgatizoun kanontas copies.
3) To peri8oriko kerdous enos distributor einai poly, ma para poly mikrotero apo
ths M$.
   Gia fantasou, me 5 - 15 xiliarika pairneis ena megalo paketo, me ena poly
megalo
   manual pou borei na ftanei tis 700 selides, support, klp. Pou to vlepeis to
kerdos?
   Sou lew oti mono to manual na dinan, borousan na to poulousan zhtwntas arketa
xrhmata.
   Epipleon oi distros xrhmatodotoun projects tou linux.
4) H debian ( www.debian.org ) einai mh kerdoskopikos organismos.

ps: An h Netscape ginei Microsoft sthn 8esh ths Microsoft, tote na eisai
sigouros
oti 8a thn 8apsw. Den exw kanena synais8hmatismo apenanti se etairies.
Ostwso mhn xenas oti h netscape edwse ton communicator. Otan prota8hke
ston gates na dwsei ton exploder, aftos ton apokalese "anohto kommounisth"
'h kati paromoio.

> Alla na teleiwsw thn fluaria mou me kati pio praktiko. Pragmati h lista
> einai meros filikwn suzhthsewn.

Ara ypo8etw oti den exeis provlhma na lemw kanena asteio pou na mhn 8avei
thn aftokratoria tou gates, e?

> Poso filikes mporoun na einai omws, otan
> mpaineis na rwthseis kati h na diabaseis ta problhmata pou eixan oi alloi
> kai telika katanalwnesai sto 8apsimo ths MS, twn NT kai tou Explorer.

La8os, gia na mhn pw psema. Otan zhtas voh8eia pairneis voh8eia, kai mhn to
arneisai. Otan zhtas syzhthsh exeis syzhthsh. Otan 8es na vriseis thn M$,
vriskeis allous na
symfwnun kai na syn-8avoun.
Egw panta otan zhthsa voh8eia, thn elava. Kai to ektimw para poly afto.

Den ti8etai 8ema filikothtas, mias kai den nomizw na yparxei melos ths listas
pou na mhn 8avei thn M$. Opote giati na mhn eimaste filikoi metaxy mas?
Idies idees exoume!

>
> Epitelous katantaei ahdia.

Giati? Egw to apolamavanw. Exw xasei ekatontades wres dior8wnontas katastrofes
pou mou prokalousan ta proionta M$, exw xasei dekades wres ergasias logw
kollhmatwn
(sou exei tyxei na kanei crash to pc otan patas to SAVE sto excel meta apo 4
wres doulias?) exw vare8ei na vlepw pantou thn lexh "microsoft" (mesa se ena
difyllo metrhsa
54 (penhnta tesseris) fores thn lexh microsoft - Microsoft Windows with
Microsoft Plus
and Microsoft Explorer. Microsoft Word, part Of Microsoft Office for Microsoft
Windows
with Microsoft Internet Explorer. Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft THN
SYXA8HKA PIA! ELEOS! Les kai mas kanoun plysh egefalou).
Xwria oti niw8w prosvolh ths proswpikothtas mou na me voh8aei o super-azor na
dior8wsw
ena provlhma mou sto Word. Mallon h microsoft nomizei oti olos o kosmos einai
ena
matso hli8iwn.
Epitelous vrhka ena meros na fwnaxw thn aganakthsh mou, estw vrizontas. Alla
panta
mou aresei kai na 8avw me logika epixeirhmata.
Oso gia mena, eipa pws hr8a sto linux apo ahdia gia thn M$ kai apogohteysh apo
to 8apsimo tou DOS pou egw ekei ekana ta prwta mou vhmata, afto ematha, afto
douleva, afto synh8isa kai ka8e allo para xaroumenos hmoun otan hr8an ta 95.
Lew egw, gia katse re file, pioa einai h microsnot pou 8a apofasisei kai 8a
epivalei
thn xrhsh twn windoze me thn via (via = stamathma ekdoshs programmatwn)?
Giati prepei na ypakouw kai na akolou8w oti prostazei h M$? H aganakthsh mou
koryfw8hke me ta 98 pou eixan ton kata thn gnwmh mou frikto exploder.
Ws edw. Den 8a asxolh8w allo me ta eborika OSes. Thelw kati eley8ero, to opoio
na metavalletai analoga me tis anages twn xrhstwn, kai oxi me tous kanones
tou marketing.
ps: Egw den bhka ston kosmo twn ypologistwn me thn M$. To PC-DOS me evale.


> Egw mphka gia na gnwrisw ta kala tou Linux, oxi ta kaka ths MS. Auta ta 3erw
> apo prwto xeri. Eidallws as ftia3oume mia allh lista (antiMS-greek-users),

Hr8es deyteros...
alt.destroy.microsoft
alt.conspiracy.microsoft
alt.flame.microsoft
kai alla polla. Egw exw paei mono sto prwto.
Alla ekei milane agglika kai me allh xarh vrizeis me thn mitrikh sou glwssa...
An kai ekei to 8ema pairnei poly entona polytikes diastaseis kai ginetai
meros kavgadwn kai oxi 8apsimatwn.

> to briskw dokimo, dhmokratiko kai sigoura polu praktiko. Yparxoun kai oi poroi
> tou diktuou filoi mou. As mhn tous spatalhsoume 8abontas thn MS.

To 8apsimo ths M$ einai psyxagwgia kai epeishs me8odos hremias. Den boreis
na fantasteis ti anakoufish niw8w otan vgazw exw olon to kahmo pou exw gia
thn M$. Doulia, diaskedash, psyxagwgia, ola prosferontai se ena kanali!
Den to vriskeis fantastiko?

> Ths kanoume megalh xarh,

Den to piasa. Esy den eixes pei pws einai pio eykolo kai apotelesmatiko na
8avoume
ton asxeto apo to na synygoroume ton ikano?

> opws sthn 8eatrikh epi8ewrhsh pou 8aboun dh8en tous politikous...

Oi politikes epi8ewrhseis einai h deyterh mou megalyterh ikanopoihsh...
An kai stis politikes epi8ewrhseis den paragetai ergo alla mono
psyxikh ikanopihsh. Kati einai ki' afto...

Ma den borw na katalavw giati yperaspizesai ton sevasmo pros thn M$, ton
megalytero
antipalo tou eley8erou logismikou.... H8h kai e8ima 8a mou peis...

Gamoto... An xreokopouse h microsoft 8a borouses na me eleges nekro8afth...
Mehri tote lege mikro8afth...


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