Paei sth Boylh me nomosxedio h symfwnia me th microsoft toy 2006

[Nick Kossifidis]

> Exoume thn kyrwsh se nomo8etiko epipedo mias prokatarktikhs strathgikhs
> symfwnias metaksy ellhnikou dhmosiou kai Microsoft.
>
> Ta dedomena einai ta ekshs :
>
> 1) Kai na mporousame na poume o,tidhpote gia th symfwnia, mexri na ginei
> nomos tou kratous, o,ti poume - kai emeis kai aytoi - einai panw katw
> logia tou aera.

Giati einai logia tou aera vre Xristo ? afou prin ginei nomos exoume
ousiastika perithorio paremvashs, oti exoume na poume prepei na to
poume twra.

> 2) H symfwnia anaferetai ws "mh-desmeytikh". Gnwrizoume ti shmainei ayto
> h ti synepagetai? (emperistatwmenes nomika apopseis, oxi th gnwmh tou
> ka8enos).

Mh desmeytikh shmainei oti den desmeuetai kapoio ap ta merh (sthn
periptwsh ayth o Alogskoufhs anaferetai profanws sto kratos) na
ylopoihsei kapoio kommati ths symfwnias. Ayto den isxyei afou h
symfwnia desmeuei to kratos (par. 4) na agorasei 70.000 adeies xrhshs
logismikou MS me tous antistoixous ypologistes kai malista mexri to
telos tou 2008 (exei kai xroniko periorismo dld).


> 3) Ti synepagetai h nomo8etikh kyrwsh mias mh-desmeytikhs symfwnias? Mia
> mh-desmeytikh symfwnia, an kyrw8ei nomo8etika, eksakoloy8ei na einai
> mh-desmeytikh? Kai ws pros ti? Yparxoun rhtres? Kai an nai, poies? Egw
> den eida kammia (emperistatwmenes nomika apopseis, oxi th gnwmh tou
> ka8enos).

Ayto den to katalavainw oute ki egw, ypotithetai oti ap th stigmh pou
thn ypegrapse o yp. oikonomikwn exei nomikh isxy, profanws omws
theloun na thn katevasoun sth voulh gia na ginei poio epishmo
(politikoi dld logoi, oxi nomikoi -vasika na ekviasoun thn
antipoliteysh, an pei oxi tha poun oti vazei freno sthn anaptyksh ki
an pei nai tha poun oti nomimopoihthike apo th voulh-)

> Oson afora ta zhthmata twn adeiwn logismikou :
>
> 1) Anaferontai se yfistamenes ypodomes, h mellontikes egkatastaseis?
> Profanws to ellhniko dhmosio de mporei na pei "exoume 20.000 ypologistes
> me unlicensed Microsoft software". Proswpika pisteyw oti ean to ellhniko
> dhmosio xrhsimopoihse epi tria xronia 35 xiliades kopies tou Microsoft
> BOB xwris adeia xrhshs, tote poly kala 8a kanei na tis plhrwsei th
> Microsoft.
>

Sth symvash anaferetai kai h promhtheia ypologistwn mazi me tis adeies
xrhshs, ara milane gia nees egatastaseis opws to katalavainw egw
toulaxiston.

> 2) Oson afora tis mellontikes egkatastaseis. Exoume enallaktikh lysh?
> Mporoume na proballoume me peistika epixeirhmata (OXI links sto
> slashdot) oti exoume enallaktikh lysh? Yparxoun epishma reports pou
> aforoun th xrhsh anoixtou logismikou sth dhmosia dioikhsh, se e8niko kai
> eyrwpaiko epipedo, wste na antiparatax8oun ws epixeirhmatologia? Nomizw
> oti yparxoun, kapou eixa dei merika. Yparxoun analyseis skopimothtas,
> kostous/ofelous, ktl?

Yparxoun meletes se eyrwpaiko epipedo ap' oso gnwrizw (toulaxiston gia
tis xwres pou xrhsimopoioun ellak profanws yparxoun) alla den kserw an
exei ginei kati sta plaisia tou ellhnikou dhmosiou, to thema einai oti
h kyvernhsh ofeilei na kanei meletes gia kathe enalaktikh lysh, poso
mallon otan alles xwres akolouthoun paromoies praktikes + kai sth xwra
mas se sxetika erga (anefera ta kep ws paradeigma epeidh tyxainei na
to gnwrizw)  sthrizontai (akoma kai tmhmatika) se ellak.

> 3) Pws mporoume na proballoume to epixeirhma tou kostous? EXOUME
> emperistatwmenes meletes se e8niko/eyrwpaiko epipedo? H diatypwsh "to
> open source logismiko einai tzaaaaaampaaaaaa" einai yperaplousteytikh.

Pistevw pws den einai to thema tou kwstous pou prepei na anadeiksoume
toso, oso to thema ths dialeitourgikothtas kai ths poiothtas
yphresiwn. Gia na milhsoume gia to thema tou kostous prepei profanws
na exoume oikonomikes meletes klp, wstoso ayto pou mporoume eykola na
poume einai oti toulaxiston sthn periptwsh tou ellak den plhrwneis
adeies xrhshs, dhladh exeis mikrotero kostos ana ypologisth (to
support/ekpaideysh to plhrwneis kai stis dyo periptwseis). To kostos
gia to migration einai sxetiko, px. se web-based efarmoges (ekei
teinoun siga siga) den yparxei kostos ekpaideyshs, se alles efarmoges
sigoura yparxei alla ki edw mporoume na anaferoume to ekshs
epixeirhma, oti ap th stigmh pou ekpaideytoun panw se ellak, den tha
xreiastei na perasoun epanekpaideysh toso syxna afou oi efarmoges
ellak einai panta backwards combatible (yparxei h egyhsh dhladh oti to
programma pou exoun tha einai panta supported -an kai ayto mpazei
ligo). Xrhsimo tha htan na vroume pistopoihseis antistoixes tou ECDL
gia ellak (exei h redhat nomizw kapoies) gia na milisoume gia thn
ekpaideysh poio sygekrimena.

> Oson afora ta zhthmata antagwnismou :
>
> 1) Poia einai ayta ta zhthmata? Pws orizetai o a8emitos antagwnismos
> (nomika)? Empiptei h symfwnia s'ayth thn kathgoria? Giati? Pws orizetai
> to "dhmosio symferon"?
>
> 2) Exoume nomika to dikaiwma na prosballoume th symfwnia? Me ti bash?
> Exoume ennomo symferon na to kanoyme? (emperistatwmenes nomika apopseis,
> ktl ktl ktl).
>
> 3) An thn exoume, poio dromo prepei na akolou8hsoume?

Evloga erwthmata alla den mporoun na syzhtithoun se public list gia
eynohtous logous, den xreiazetai na kserei olos o kosmos thn
yperaspistikh mas grammh/taktikh. Oso gia to an mporoume na
prosvaloume th symfwnia profanws kai mporoume ws polites, toso se
ethniko oso kai se evrwpaiko epipedo, mias kai h symfwnia afora to
dhmosio.

> Oson afora ton politiko xeirismo tou zhthmatos.
>
> H symfwnia proballetai ston poly kosmo, me elaxistes eksaireseis, ws mia
> symfwnia h opoia proagei ton eksygxronismo kai thn xrhsh ths texnologias
> sto dhmosio tomea. Ayto kata bash einai swsto. 40.000 neoi ypologistes
> sthn dhmosia dioikhsh einai 40.000 neoi ypologistes sth dhmosia
> dioikhsh,  kai ayto einai ofelos, anksarthtes leitourgikou systhmatos.
>

To thema einai oti oi 70.000 adeies xrhseis einai to main point kai oi
ypologistes pane paketo me aytes. O eksygrwnismos den xreiazetai na
exei ws timima ton eglovismo tou dhmosiou sta proionta mias
sygekrimenhs etairias. Orizoume ton eksygronismo mesw twn yphresiwn
tou dhmosiou kai ths poiothtas tous, oxi me to plhthos twn ypologistwn
pou agorazoume. Poso mallon otan den exei ginei kamia meleth gia to
pou xreiazontai aytoi oi ypologistes/adeies, poso tha einai telika to
plhthos tous (h symvash leei "toulaxiston 70.000") klp.

> Antiti8emenoi sth symfwnia, mhpws 8a prepei na proseksoume na kanoume
> apolyta kseka8arous tous logous tis anti8eshs mas? An peis oti
> antit8iesai se mia symfwnia pou "proagei th xrhsh texnologias sto
> dhmosio tomea", *fainetai* san na MHN proageis th xrhsh ths texnologias
> sto dhmosio tomea. Pws 8a to apofygoume ayto?

Kai pali h texnologia den taytizetai me ta proionta sygekrimenhs
etairias oute kan me sygekrimena programmata, texnologia einai kai oi
ypodomes broadband pou pane kata diaolou, texnologia einai (gia ton
poly kosmo) kai to anyparkto ellhniko periexomeno apo plevras dhmosiou
klp. Emeis milame gia yphresies kai ayto pou leme einai oti oi
yphresies pou exoume ws polites ap' to kratos, theloume na plhroun
kapoies proypotheseis, akrivws wste na einai dynath h peretairw
texnologikh anaptyksh tous kai oxi o eglovismos tous se kleista
programmata sygekrimenwn etairiwn kai kleista protypa. Ousiastika
vgainoume poio mprwsta se ayto to thema legontas oti texnologikh
anaptyksh einai dynath otan xrhsimopoiountai nees texnologies kai oi
nees texnologies pleon anaptysontai se ellak kai se anoixta protypa,
apo thn pagosmia koinwthta kai oxi sta stegana mias sygekrimenhs
etairias. Den einai to epixeirhma mas oti apla goustaroume ellak sto
dhmosio giati eimaste kolhmenoi me to ellak (tha sou poun ki aytoi oti
emeis eimaste kolhmenoi me thn MS :P).

> O polys kosmos den exei idea ti einai to open source, kai gia na to 8esw
> kai eygenika, sta paparia tou kiolas. Mporoume na diatypwsoume tis
> anti8eseis mas me tetoio tropo wste na fanoyn "piasarika" ta isxyra
> shmeia ths epixeirhmatologia mas, xwris na kourazoume ton akroath mas,
> kai xwris na fainomaste peri8wriakoi h outopistes oneiropoloi?

Ena epixeirhma einai oti to ellak anaptysete se synergasia me megales
etairies tou xwrou, opws h SUN, h IBM, h HP, h Oracle, h Google klp
klp (ayto apantaei sto outopistes/oneiropoloi). Allo epixeirhma einai
oti to ellak anaptysetai se synergasia me panepisthmia kai erevntika
idrymata kai einai sthn aixmh ths texnologias (ayto sto piasarka).
Allo epixeirhma einai oti to ellak proagei th diafaneia afou kseroume
akrivws ton tropo pou leitourgei kai den kanei tou kefaliou tou (edw
mporoume na parapempsoume kai se periptwseis pou h MS travage dedomena
twn xrhstwn ths ena agnoia tous), einai parametropoihshmo (ara egyatai
thn viosimothta twn sygekrimenwn programmatwn -den tha ta petaksoume
meta apo 3 xronia na valoume ta kainouria- kai thn xrhstikothta tous),
exei poly mhdeniko kostos apokthshs (den milame gia support giati
mplekei -alla opws kai na xei support plhrwneis outws h allws-) klp.
Ayta einai merika pou mou hrthan proxeira, an katsoume katw tha vroume
arketa kai me poly kalyterh diatypwsh.

> H synergasia dhmosiou / epixeirhsewn entassetai poly kala sthn klassikh
> neofileley8erh straghtikh poy akolou8ei h trexousa kybernhsh, xwris na
> apotelei apokleistikothta ths. Einai mia strathgikh h opoia gia kapoious
> exei kapoia isxyra shmeia, aneksarthta apo tis proswpikes h politikes
> diafwnies tou ka8enos. Mporoume na diatypwsoume tis opoies diafwnies mas
> MESA sta plaisia ayths ths logikhs, wste na ginoyn en dynamei dekta kai
> apo tous idious tous ideologikous foreis ths?

Allo h synergasia dhmosiou/epixeirhsewn (h opws alliws to lene -px.
sympraksh dhmosiou/idiwtikou tomea) kai allo h eleytherh
agora/antagwnismos. To prwto den einai aparaithta xarakthristiko twn
neofileleytherwn kyvernhsewn, antitheta oi neofileleytheres
kyvernhseis den theloun na exoun kamia sxesh me to dhmosio (oute kan
to management, to opoio thewroun paremvatismo sthn agora), pistevoun
oti sta plaisia ths eleytherhs agoras kai tou antagwnismou, tis
yphresies tou dhmosiou tis analamvanoun apokeistika etairies oi opoies
eitai plhrwnontai ap to kratos eitai oxi, kai oi opoies antagwnizontai
h mia thn allh kai mesw aytou tou antagwnismou ayksanei h poiothta
(exoume kai sthn ellada tetoies periptwseis, px. ta ktel tou Hrakleiou
opou menw, einai idiwtika kai den pairnoun xrhmata ap' to kratos -to
foithtiko eishtirio einai peripou 1eurw). Se ayto to skeptiko kolaei
kai h symfwnia, ousiastika leei h kyvernhsh sthn MS, afou mporeis
kanto. To mono to opoio mporoume se ayth th logikh na prosapsoume sth
kyvernhsh, einai (ap' th stigmh pou plhrwnei to kratos se ayth th
periptwsh), oti den ekane meleth sthn agora gia antistoixes
antagwnistikes lyseis, ki oti ap' th stigmh pou yparxoun oi
diagwnismoi (stous opoious ginetai ksexwristh meleth), protimhse aytou
tou eidous th symvash h opoia den einai aparaithta symferousa gia to
kratos (den periexei oikonomika stoixeia klp).


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