Syllogos

[Alexios Zavras]

Syggnwmh gia thn parembash, alla ws melos toy syllogoy (poy den exw kan
kleisei xrono), den antexw na meinw siwphlos me ola ayta poy diabazw.

H genikh entypwsh poy moy dhmioyrgeitai, einai oti ola ayta prokyptoyn
apo mia genikh agnoia ti einai o "Syllogos", ti kanei kai *pws* to kanei.
Profanws tha yparxoyn melh me megalyterh empeiria apo mena se syllogoys
(an kai den exw dei tetoia deigmata grafhs :-), alla epitrepste me moy
na anaferw merika themata apo thn empeiria moy (se alloys syllogoys).

Prwta merika genika:

- enas Syllogos exei ena skopo (mesa sto katastatiko, klp.)

- enas Syllogos exei kai melh, poy logika krinoyn ton skopo aksio
  kai theloyn na prowththei.  Oxi anagkastika na doylepsoyn ta idia
  gia na ton prowthhsoyn -- mporei na thewroyn oti plhrwnontas
  th syndromh toys ekanan ayto poy hthelan (h/kai mporoysan).

- enas Syllogos mporei na prosferei epipleon paroxes (yphresies, klp.)
  sta melh toy.  An thelei, ki an mporei (ki an epitrepetai).

- enas Syllogos kanei ekloges, kai bgazei ena D.S. gia na ton dioikei.

- to D.S. *dioikei*.  Oyte kanei olh th doyleia, oyte kathetai.
  Kai pairnei apofaseis, den trexei na rwtaei synexeia ta melh.

- Idanika, proeklogika oi ypopshfioi exoyn dhmosieysei ena
  "position statement" ("an me pshfisete tha agwnistw gia ayta kai ayta")
  kai exoyn symmetasxei se proeklogikes syzhthseis (mesw e-mail,
  se texnologikoys syllogoys).  Etsi ta melh kseroyn oti aytos
  poy bghke exei aytes tis apopseis, kai tha prospathhsei
  na kanei ayta ki ayta.


Sygkekrimena, twra, gia merika poy diabasa (anakata):

- Merika pragmata anagkastika menoyn kryfa -- idiws sto epipedo toy D.S.
  Se polloys syllogoys ta melh toy D.S. ypografoyn NDAs (Non-Discosure
  Agreements) oti ayta poy tha mathoyn ws D.S. den tha ta poyn para-eksw.
  Se merikoys ayto apaiteitai kai gia na mpeis ypopshfios gia D.S.
  (me th logikh oti ws ypopshfios tha matheis merika tetoia pragmata).
  Se alloys den exei ypografes kai olo einai mia atyph symfwnia,
  poy th mathainoyn kai sebontai ta melh.

  Typika paradeigmata "kleistwn" dedomenwn einai oikonomika stoixeia,
  prosfores se ekseliksh ("o ISP X mas zhtaei tosa gia tis grammes")
  h pio eswterika themata toy D.S. ("re sy, tamia, poy einai to 1M eyrw?
  to'fages?")

  Se kathe "anoixth" synedriash poy akoyn kai ta melh, se kapoio shmeio
  o proedreywn toys bgazei eksw ("sorry, twra tha poyme ta dika mas").

  Kai antistoixa ta praktika poy dhmosieyontai ektos D.S. einai
  "katharismena" apo orismena themata.  Ta praktika gia to D.S. einai 
  plhrh, se morfh koinhs apodoxhs. [ok, lathos diatypwsh: den yparxoyn
  dyo praktika -- ektos D.S. den einai "praktika": einai anakoinwsh
  toy grammatea gia to ti egine sth synanthsh toy D.S. (alla oxi
  *ola* osa eginan)]

- to an tha yparxei kleisth lista melwn h oxi, einai kati poy epafietai
  sto syllogo.  Mporei na to exei ws epipleon yphresia ("... kai
  an grafteite melh, tha mporeite na epikoinwneite me thn foberh
  texnikh lista tech-list at hellug poy soy lynei oles tis apories").
  Kai apofash toy syllogoy pali einai an (estw ki an mh-melh
  de mporoyn na grapsoyn sth lista) mh-melh tha mporoyn na th diabazoyn.
  [h an tha bgainoyn ta arxeia public meta apo 2 mhnes, p.x.]

- apo thn allh, ta melh sxedon panta dikaioyntai ena bhma gia thn ekfrash
  apopsewn (synththws sxetika me to syllogo).  Omologw oti nomiza oti
  ayth h lista poy grafw twra (hellug@) htan h lista twn melwn
  gia syzhthseis sxetika me to syllogo.  Den mporw na fantastw
  th xrhsimothta ths se kapoio mh-melos (alla isws pasxw se fantasia).

- h ennoia ths "kleisths" listas den einai gia na krataei mystika.
  Einai gia na prosferei sta melh me ena akoma bhma dialogoy --
  kai an thes na akoysteis ekei *prepei* na eisai melos.

  Profanws o syllogos mporei na prosferei ki ena swro alles listes,
  anoixtes se oloys, gia to geniko kalo, thn prowthhsh toy skopoy, klp.

- to D.S. den prepei na talanizetai apo yparksiaka erwthmata toy typoy
  "den kserw an toys antiproswpeyw -- isws na mhn to theloyn ayto --
  as rwthsw kalytera ta melh ti theloyn".  Etsi de tha bgei pote tipota.
  H pshfos kai h eklogh einai entolh laoy -- dynamh kai eythynh.
  To D.S. syskeptetai, pshfizei kai apofasizei.  An ta melh diafwnoyn,
  tha toys mayrisoyn stis epomenes ekloges.  Profanws de lew gia akraies
  apofaseis ("kleinoyme to magazi") alla aytes (tha'prepe na) problepontai
  apo to katastatiko.

- paraithseis apo to D.S. oxi gia proswpikoys logoys (ygeias, fortoy
  ergasias), kai oxi gia logoys eythiksias ws apanthsh se apokalyfthenta
  skandala, proswpika moy fainontai "easy-way-out".  Sorry, giati ayto
  einai sygkekrimeno, alla den exw kammia sxetikh plhroforhsh --
  an h sygkekrimeh paraithsh htan, p.x., epeidh kapoios eipe oti den
  kanei kala th doyleia toy, to briskw ekswfreniko: ta melh ton pshfisan
  gia na kanei mia doyleia, oxi na shkwthei na fygei...  Tough job!
  Kala, den exei nohma na apantaw se ypothetika senaria, opote stamatw.
  Alla ta melh (ta opoia pshfisan gia ayto to D.S.) dikaioyntai ekshghseis.


Na ksekatharisw kati: ola ayta ta anaferw apo empeiria se alloys syllogoys.
Den proteinw tipota apo ayta sygkekrimena gia ton hellug (px. na
arxisei o kosmos na ypografei NDAs :-)  Ayta einai doyleia allwn --
kai prwt'ap'olwn toy D.S. poy ekleksame kai me th pshfo mas toys eipame
oti toys empisteyomaste na dioikhsoyn to Syllogo gia mia xronia.

Nai, na proteinw ki egw (kai ola ta melh) idees (tis zhthse, allwste),
alla na kserw tis genikes arxes toy syllogoy kai, kyriws, to plano toy.

Giati h genikh entypwsh poy apekomisa ap'osa diabasa, einai oti
kaneis den einai sigoyros ti prosferei o syllogos sta melh toy
(kai ti sta mh-melh toy), poia einai ta problhmata/themata
poy antimetwpizei/prowthei to D.S. (h basikh doyleia toy, dhl.),
kai ti einai ayto, telos pantwn, poy prepei na ginei
(ektos apo to geniko "na pane ola kalytera gia to Syllogo" :-).

Kai den tha kraththw: shmantiko rolo, nomizw, paizei h elleipsh
epikoinwnias apo pleyras D.S. sta melh toy.  Koitazontas ta arxeia
ths hellug gia to 2005, exoyme synedriash stis 31/1 me sygkrothsh se swma,
allh mia 24/2 me 18 themata (poy de mathame) kai mia apofash,
kai... that's it.  Stis ekloges thymamai themata/problhmata
poy anaferthhkan (katastatiko, edra, eforia) kai *ypothetw*
oti olo to D.S. synedriazei ana dihmero kai trexei san trello gia ayta.
Den thelw na mathainw ta panta ("shmera katathesame to entypo A.62
kai phrame ton arithmo prwtokolloy 18425") -- den einai doyleia moy,
sto katw-katw.  Alla mia genikh enhmerwsh de tha'blapte.
Giati etsi opws einai h katastash, h doyleia toy D.S. de fainetai katholoy
(ennow to antikeimeno enasxolhshs, oxi to ergo poy epitelei).

Ki etsi ta melh asxoloyntai me themata poy mporei sto D.S.
na fainontai geloia ("emeis edw paleyoyme na mh mas kleisoyn
ki aytos mila gia forums" :-) h akoma kai lymena...

Giayto, please, perissoterh epikoinwnia!  Ti sto kalo kanete eseis ekei?
Poy pate ton Syllogo?  Den exw kanena problhma na peite "to D.S.
pshfise kai apofasise na kopsei to hosting apo mh-melh" h "na dwsei
hosting se oloys" [paradeigmata lew :-)], arkei na to peite ksekathara.
Stis ekloges tha kseroyme ti presbeyete kai tha pshfisoyme analoga.
A, o k. X de thelei kleisth lista, egw thelw, den ton pshfizw.

(kai yposxomai oti --an eimai kala-- sthn epomenh proeklogikh periodo
 na prhksw toys yposphfioys stis erwthseis mexri na katalabw
 pws fantazontai ton syllogo kai ti tha kanoyn gia ayto).

Oyf, syggnwmh gia to ksespasma kai th logodiarroia...
Sas epistrefoyme twra sth gnwsth koybenta anoikto-kleisth lista
kai hosting se filoys kai exthroys... :-)
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