[Fwd: Kanonismos leitourgias omadwn ergasias HELLUG]

[Christos Ricudis]

Alexios Zavras wrote:

Kat'arxas mprabo gia thn eksairetikh douleia ki apo mena. Orismena 
dieykrinistika sxolia kai idees moy parakatw.

>Apollon Koutlides wrote [edited]:
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>>προωθώ και στην ανοικτή λίστα του 
>>συλλόγου τον προτεινόμενο κανονισμό για τη λειτουργία ομάδων εργασίας 
>>του HELLUG. Το κείμενο αυτό είναι _προσχέδιο_ και σε καμμία περίπτωση δε 
>>θεωρείται τελικό. Ο λόγος για τον οποίο δημοσιεύεται σε αυτό τον χρόνο, 
>>είναι να συζητηθεί, να σχολιαστεί, και να προκύψουν από τη συζήτηση 
>>προτάσεις για αλλαγές, προσθήκες, διαγραφές.
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>Sxolia elabes, sxolia tha labeis.
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>======================================================================
>epi toy periexomenoy:
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>* h onomasia "omada ergasias" (poy synhthws ennoei to "task force"),
>    enexei mia arketh sygkekrimenh shmasiologia: ftiaxnetai
>    mia omada gia na antimetwpisei (h na melethsei) ena problhma,
>    sxedon panta me orismeno xrono kai na katalhksei kapoy.
>    Den kserw an milate mono gia tetoies periptwseis -- an nai, ok.
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>    Me mperdepse to mail toy Spyroy poy leei gia sysadms.
>    Ennow, to "omada ergasias gia th diaxeirish twn mhxanhmatwn
>    toy Syllogoy", poy einai ena on-going task, kai prepei na
>    synexizetai sto dihnekes, egw to blepw lathos.
>    Opws de ftiaxneis "omada ergasias" gia th diaxeirish
>    toy tameioy -- exeis ena tamia poy to analambanei.
>    An o Spyros ennooyse me "sysadms" ena task force
>    gia to thema toy sysadminning sthn Ellada, paw paso.
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>    Gia mikrotera themata me safh xronodiagramma, opws p.x.
>    "omada ergasias gia syggrafh software gia th dieksagwgh
>    twn epomenwn eklogwn hlektronika", fysika tairiazei mia xara.
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Perissotero eixame sto nou mas th dhmiourgia omadwn poy 8a asxolountai 
me kapoia 8emata mesa sto syllogo pou apaitoun mia synexh enasxolhsh me 
to antikeimeno - ena paradeigma einai p.x. h ana8esh se mia omada ths 
organwshs ligo-poly taktikwn synanthsewn melwn tou syllogou. Enas apo 
tous skopous ths dhmiourgias omadwn einai AKRIBWS na yparxei mia 
synexeia stis ergasies, ligo poly aneksarthth apo sygkekrimena atoma. To 
sysadmin group htan aplws allo ena paradeigma ergasias h opoia mporei na 
anate8ei se mia tetoia omada. Proswpika den nomizw oti oi omades 8a 
eprepe na organw8oun toso formally oso ennoei o oros "task force" me 
paradotea, deadlines ktl - exw kati pio xalaro sto myalo moy, sto katw 
katw h enasxolhsh *olwn* mas me to syllogo einai e8elontikh. H dikia mou 
idea ths omadas plhsiazei perissotero se ena dihnekes semi-formal work 
group para se ena formal task force.

>* oi protaseis gia dhmioyrgia omadwn, de tha prepei na emfanizontai
>    kai dhmosia ?  Kai na syzhtioyntai se listes (kai webforums, news :-) ?
>    Leipei, dhl. h diadikasia ypobolhs protasewn (yparxei mono
>    h diadikasia egkrishs kai to periexomeno).
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Aytos akribws htan o skopos ths anakoinwshs tou prosxediou poy afora tis 
omades ergasias - na ginei kat'arxas mia syzhthsh tou plaisiou mesa sto 
opoio mporoun na organw8oun kai na leitourghsoun.

>* h aksiologhsh toy ergoy twn omadwn einai ligo... floy.
>    To DS "elegxei taktika" ki o epikefalhs "einai ypeythynos
>    gia na anaferei thn proodo".  De tha'prepe na yparxoyn kati
>    san anafores proodoy ana sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma ?
>    Diathesimes se ola ta melh (opws lete kai gia ta oikonomika stoixeia) ?
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Isws nai, isws oxi. Nomizw oti einai pio shmantiko gia mia omada na 
*leitourgei*, apo to na piezetai na deiksei sto koino oti leitourgei me 
taktikes anafores proodou. (oxi oti den prepei na yparxoun kapoies 
anafores proodou). To an 8a leitourghsei h oxi kapoia omada ligo poly 8a 
fanei sthn poreia mesa apo th leitourgia ths, kai s'ayto to plaisio 
entassetai kai h aksiologhsh ths.

>* an prokypsei kati ektakto, mporei mia omada na zhthsei ektra lefta ?
>    Kahke enas diskos, xythhke kafes sto plhktrologio...
>    H monh anafora gia oikonomika einai "proypologistika".
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Mia kai ta esoda tou syllogou periorizontai stis eisfores twn melwn, 
syndromes kai eggrafes, ta leitourgika kosth twn omadwn leitourgias 
einai aytonohto oti 8a prepei na perioristoun sto elaxisto dynato. Isws 
na mporei na diatypw8ei kapoia formoula 'xrhmatodothshs' twn 
leitourgikwn anagkwn twn omadwn apo to tameio tou syllogou me apofash 
tou D.S., alla eimai ligaki epifylaktikos sto sygkekrimeno zhthma.

>* an h omada den kanei to ergo ths, o ypeythynos prepei na gyrisei
>    pisw ta lefta poy exei parei ?  An exei agorasei kati, ti ginetai ?
>    To thelei o Syllogos h thelei pali lefta (ti na to kanei...) ?
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Profanws o,tidhpote agorazetai sta plaisia ths leitourgias twn omadwn 
ergasias, anhkei sto syllogo. Oi omades ergasias leitourgoun ka8ara mesa 
sta plaisia tou syllogou - timologia agoras p.x. 8a prepei na kobontai 
sto syllogo. Ypo8etw dhladh, apo logistika eimai ligo skrapas :P.

Genika pantws milame gia ergasies oi opoies 8a htan kalo na mhn exoun 
kai kanena fobero oikonomiko kostos.

>* orismenes leptomereies den exoyn poly nohma.
>    px., protaseis apofasizontai "se taktikh h ektakth synedriash
>    toy DS", alla enstaseis syzhtoyntai "se taktikh synedriash" mono.
>    Yparxoyn logoi ?  Balte pantoy apla "synedriash" xwris prosdiorismoys...
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>    H, to gegonos oti oi enstaseis erxontai "eggrafws h me e-mail"
>    alla oi protaseis tipota ?!?  Proforikes protaseis einai ok ?
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Profanws mia enstash pou exei to xarakthra "paraponou" 8a prepei na 
diatypw8ei kai na katagrafei me perissoterh prosoxh sto typiko apo mia 
protash, h opoia mporei kallista na diatypw8ei kai proforika, kata 
protimhsh apo melh tou syllogou gyrw apo ena trapezi gemato adeiasmena 
piata se kapoia taberna :>

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