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[Kefalas Apostolos]

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> kalos-irthate stin elliniki pragmatikotita
> (diakritikos titlos : "anagkastikh prosgeiwsh")

Giati na tou koboume ta ftera kai na ton prokatabaloume???

> 
> 1) ta meli tou sillogou ergazontai gia na epiviosoun se
> mia poli antagonistiki kai piestiki agora kai
> mporei meta apo mia olokliri mera mprosta stin othoni tou
> pc stin douleia, na min antexoun na sinexisoun, 
> eidika gia ena diskolo thema opos 
> "politikes - grafeiokrateikes kiniseis sillogou"

To idio antagwnistiko kai piestiko periballon nomizw oti epikratei pleon
se olo ton kosmo kai den nomizw oti einai dikaiologia gia osous den
asxoloumaste!!! Apla emeis oi ellhnes exoume kapws diaforetikes
antileipseis peri tou orou "3ekourashs". Emeis gia na 3ekourastoume pame
gia frappedia kai xabale, enw alloi grafoun 10 grammes kwdika h
sxediazoun dyo koumpakia apo ena front-end.

> 
> 2) o sillogos diepetai apo pneuma ethelontismou kai
> dimokratias kai distixos ;) oxi apo mia austira 
> peitharxoumeni militaristiki diktatoria, auto simainei 
> oti oudeis diatazei kanenan alla kai oudeis empodizei
> kanenan na prosferei ethelontika, oso liges kai na einai
> oi texnikes gnoseis tou.

Giati dysthxws???? Den katalaba??? 8a protimouses na yphrxe kapoios pou
na diatazei kai na dinei entoles se poio project 8a pai3ei poios kai
pws??? Tote ti e8elontismos einai aytos??? Oxi tipota giati an yphrxe
ena tetoio atomo tote 8a htan monos toy sto syllogo. Oloi 8a thn eixame
kanei!!!! 

> 
> 3) o sillogos einai se ena "periergo" kathestos "mauris
> listas" apo ola ta megala MME me apotelesma na min exei
> vima na milhsei

Bhma na milisoume exoume, to problhma mas einai oti den MAS PAIRNOUN STA
SOBARA!!!!

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> 7) yparxoun vasimes amfivolies kata poso i epilogi enos
> ergolavou gia ena ergo ston dhmosio tomea tha ginei me
> kathara texnika - aksiokrateika krithria (texniki yperoxh
> linux) otan o politikos epopteuwn tou ergou simmetexei se
> sinedrio me xorhgo gnosti etaireia pou einai diekdikitis
> tou ergou

an exeis tetoies ypopsies.....mporeis na kaneis enstash..........

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> 
> 9) o sillogos, logo tou oti vriskomaste se mia xora
> ypanaptykth texnologika opos kai apo apopsi katanalotikis
> syneidhshs, exei poli ligi aphxhsh me apotelesma na mhn
> exei polla meli (an kai oi texnologikes eleutheries
> einai akros politiko thema epikratei to: 
> "texniko thema - poliploko -  den poulaei"), i ellipsi
> porwn odigei wste polla pragmata na min ginontai sosta alla
> distixos mexri ekei mporoume.
> 

Exw thn entypwsh oti o syllogos pote den eixe oikonomiko problhma.
Anti8etws 8ymamai xarakthristikes syzhthseis toy styl "paidia exoyme
ayta ta xrhmata, ti mporoume na ta kanoyme???"

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> protaseis:
> 
> na ginontai irc meeting ektos apo ta
> "live" meetings gia eukolia.... (den ksero ean mporei na
> stithei ircD se kapoio mixanima tou sillogu)

wraia idea.... me ti 8ema?

> 
> ola ta email sto lugistics na allaxthoun apo osa exoun 
> dilosei ta meli se auta pou exoun @hellug , na
> enimerothoun ta meli oste meso tou IMP (web interface)
> na kanoun forward sto mailbox pou epithimoun

nai se ayto symfwnw ki egw.

> ta diafora policy pou yparxoun sxetika me ta mixanimata
> na mpoun sto www.hellug.gr (ean den einai idi ekei ka
> ean eiani prosforo kati tetoio)
> 
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> eikona tou sillogou pros ton eyrytero xoro tis
> pliroforikis (anthropous pou den kseroun polla gia ton
> sillogo) :
> 
> se diafores selides tou sillogou na tonisthei oti: "i kiria
> lista tou sillogou einai i hellug oson afora protaseis,
> idees, kai prosfores ethelontismou"
> 
> akomi: " o sillogos exei anagki kai se themata pou den
> apaitoun vathia gnosi ypologistwn opos nomikes simvoules,
> MME, dimosies sxeseis "

polu swsto

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> "apeuthinetai sta meli".. meli tis listas ?
> tou hellug ? ean kapoios ta mperdepsei, ftanei (?) 
> sto simperasma: "prepei diladi oposdipote na eisai melos
> tou hellug gia na diatiposeis mia protasi ?"

Oxi alla alimono an erxotan o ka8e asxetos kai elege th gnwmh toy.
epeita skepsou kai to 8ema toy spamming

> na to ksekatharisoume vevaia me vasi to ti theloume giati
> mporei ontos na theloume na diatiponontai protaseis mono
> apo anthropous pou exoun idi apodeiksei oti mporoun na 
> kanoun kati gia to sillogo , apo tin alli meria mipos
> vazoume enan "fraxti" pros kapoious anthropous pou exoun
> kati na poun  ?

ali kai 3 ali, toylaxiston oso eimai egw sto syllogo kai 8ymamai pote
kai kanenas den fimw8hke, efoson symorfwnetai me toys kanones ayths ths
listas

> 
> 
> akomi mipos auto to "einai gia esoterika themata"
> akougetai ligo apothitiko pros ta en dynamei meli
> pou parea me to "apeuthinetai sta meli" na mhn to doun
> kai os tin pleon filiki/entharryntiki diatyposi ?

kamia sxesh, alla ti ton endiaferei mia psifoforia, h oi ekloges kapoion
pou den einai melos?

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kai na ph3ei to board me erwthseis kai sxolia pou 8a eprepe (!) na pane
sth hellug!!!