tropos epafis me mesa enimerosis (Was: mesa enhmerosis - epixeirhmata microsoft )

[Stratis Margaritis]

Kalimera,

Symfwnw me osa exete pei mexri twra kai apla Qa hQela na prosQesw oti isws
enas kalos "topos" gia na perasoume auta pou Qeloume sto eurh koino einai h
thleorash. An stelname kapoio Deltio Tupou mazi me aixmes politikwn
diastasewn pros tous thleoptikous staQmous, xwris bebaia na eimaste kai
uperbolikoi, ws pros tis aixmes ennow, nomizw oti mporoume na kinhsoume
ligo endiaferon.

An kapoios bouleuths dei oti einai Qema pou Qa ton bohQhsei politika
pisteuw oti isws kai na "jypnhsei".


On Sat,  7 Dec 2002 17:41:01 +0200 zakinthinos at hellug.gr wrote:

> >mesa enhmerosis - epixeirhmata microsoft 
> >Theodore J. Soldatos theodore at eexi.gr 
> >Mon Dec 2 21:15:02 2002 
> 
> 
> >Milame gia deltio typou kai oxi arthro synergath ths efhmeridas,
> synepos an 
> >thelei na to dhmosieysei mia efhmerida tha to dhmosieysei, pera apo
> texnikes 
> >kai aisthitikes diafores. To "Kerdos" htan to teleytaio meros pou tha
> perimene 
> >kaneis na dei to D.T. me vash ayta pou les kai omos to dhmosieyse.
> 
> >En pasei periptosh, den nomizo oti prepei na arxisoume na grafoume san
> ta 
> >deltia typou ton diskografikon etaireion mono kai mono gia na
> "pernaei". 
> >Exoume kai mia aksioprepeia telos panton... :-)
> 
> ean den katalavainoun ti grafoume gia na kseroun ean einai simantiko
> kai den einai sinithismenoi sto meso epikoinwnias (email) den tha dosoun
> kai poli simasia. emeis eimaste pou zitame xoro stin efimerida tous ara
> tha prepei na prosarmostoume (oxi sto content alla ston tropo
> proothisis).
> des mas san "neous" tis lgu. eimaste se ena neo perivallon kai prepei na 
> mathoume tous kanones tou paixnidiou. opos emas den mas aresi i MS HTML
> stin lgu isos autoi na theloun ta panta se tipomeno xarti, episimi
> epistoli
> kai prosopiko rantevou oste na peisthoun oti to thema aksizei ton
> ligosto tous 
> xrono kai xoro i gia na
> mas eksigisoun giati mas aporriptoun ef'oson to thema mas aptetai tou
> dimosiou 
> simferontos. mporei na iparxoun xiliades enoseis san emas pou na
> perimenoun
> paraklitika stin oura gia kapoio thema tous, ti mas kanei emas na
> pistevoume
> oti tha lavoume vima toso eukola ; i emeis kanoume lathos stin
> epikoinwnia
> mas i tin ellada tin kivernaei i ms :)
> 
> episimes epafes me epistoles kai prosopikes sinantiseis mporei na
> theloun kai
> oi vouleutes. genika logo tou oti zoume se mia xora grafeiokratiki den
> nomizo na epitixoume kati mono me ton ilektroniko logo. mono ta xartia 
> anagnorizontai san apodeiksi oti kapoios ipeuthinos mas egrapse.
> 
> den kanoume kamia ideologiki metaptosi se epipedo diskografikis etairias
> alla to oti megali merida tou typou mas agnoei isos prepei na mas 
> provlimatisei ligo gia ton tropo epafis mas. milao kai gia emena giati
> opoia 
> prospathia ekana pige /dev/null. oute kai ego simfono na allaksoume 
> to content gia na "poulhsoume" alla mporoume se mia sinenteuksi na
> afisoume
> kapoies kala dialegmenes, diplomatikws diatipomenes "aixmes".
> 
> eimaste sigouroi oti opoios paralamvanei to email (p.x admin)  mporei 
> kai na to ekdosei ;
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Oxi, opos eipa kai pio pano exoume kai mia aksioprepeia. O logos
> malista pou 
> >akoma den exo steilei draft gia to keimeno pou anafero pio pano einai
> giati 
> >skeftomai akoma an tha htan sosth kinhsh na kanoume mia amesh epithesh
> sthn 
> >Microsoft. Kindynevoume na xarakthristoume "grafikoi" kai poly
> perissotero an 
> >kanoume kati san ki ayto pou perigrafeis. Pistevo oti prepei na
> apofeygoume 
> >oso mporoume thn eytheia antiparathesh me thn Microsoft giati sto
> kato-kato 
> >den einai ayth to provlhma mas, opoia etaireia kai na htan sthn thesh
> ths to 
> >idio tha ekane. To provlhma einai genikotero provlhma hthikhs (ÇÈÉÊÇÓ
> gamoto, 
> >giati den vgainei me tipota ayth h leksh sta greeklish?).
> 
> >Gia na katalaveis, kata thn diarkeia ths syntomhs parousiashs pou ekana
> sto 
> >workshop ths Sun gia thn thesh tou Linux sthn ellhnikh agora, den
> anefera oute 
> >mia fora thn leksh "Microsoft"... :-)
> 
> orthos pote den anafereis dimosia tin leksi microsoft giati mporei na 
> katigorithis gia disfimisi kai diafygonta kerdi. ean ta valoume me
> kapoion
> se mia diadilosi tha einai me to elliniko dimosio giati eimaste polites
> tou 
> kai theloume na mas enimeronei gia to pou pane ta lefta mas kai na mas
> simvouleuetai ef'oson eimaste to anthropino dinamiko tou.
> 
> mia diadilosi pou tha ginei sta grafeia tis microsoft tha ginei austhra
> se
> dimosio xoro (ektos xorou ms) kai xoris na empodizetai kaneis na
> eiselthi sto 
> ktirio esto kai sto elaxisto. irema kai politismena me ta pano mas.
> kirios
> skopos einai na xrisimopoihsoume tin antithesi ton dio leitourgikwn
> (linuxades
> ekso apo ms) me xioumoristiko tropo oste na prokalesoume mia thetiki, 
> plakatzidiki dimosiotita (den katalaveno giati kapoioi pistevoun oti den
> exo
> xioumor, oriste exo, pistevo oti einai ena aksiopisto oplo... ;)
> 
> ta kanalia kai tous "vromikous tropous" ta anefera giati distixos stin
> ellada 
> ean den diekdikiseis dinamika oste na prokalesis "koinwniko reuma
> ipostiriksis 
> (=psifous)"  kai oi kratountes na niosoun apeiloumenoi tote den se akoune
> kai den se lamvanoun ip'opsin tous oso logika kai na milas kai oso kai
> na thes ton dialogo. auto mou edeikse i ipothesi me ta netcafe.
> 
> mporei i diadilosi na einai ekso apo ta grafeia tis ms kai na rotaei pou
> pane
> ta lefta tou dimosiou kai ean agorazontai aksiopista proionta alla den
> xreiazetai na anaferoume tin leksi microsoft ;)
> 
> i microsoft den paizei me aksioprepeia alla me xtipimata kato apo tin
> zoni
> opos to "akleidoto" logismiko, tis politikes paremvaseis kai me to na
> kleidonei
> olo to programmatistiko mellon tou dimosiou se .asp . isos kapoia stigmi
> na prepei na ginoume ligo geloioi gia logous dimosiou simferontos. opos
> anefera 
> mia
> diadilosi/diamartyria mas prepei pano apo ola na exei to stoixeio tou
> xioumor
> (me stoles pigouinou p.x ), oste na mhn prokalesoume asxhma (p.x
> kataggelontas
> diafthora), auto tha to kanoume mono ean paraskiniaka den ginei tipota,
> ean
> doume oti i sun exei diathesi na mas voithisi nomika se mia
> antimonopoliaki
> diki, kai ean einai pros to simferon tou sillogou.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Poly travhgmeno... Prepei prota na *symvei* kati *poly* xontro gia na
> mhn se 
> >poun trello. Kai nai, o syllogos den exei kamia oreksh gia dikastikes
> diamaxes 
> >thn stigmh malista pou einai enas "ftoxos" syllogos.
> 
> ean thimase enas ipologistis me win 98 krasare mprosta ton gates, 
> ipothetoume oti enas tetoios
> ipologistis elegxi to sistima psiksis tou atmohlektriko stathmo agiou 
> dhmhtriou, esi eisai anisixos politis pou fovasai mipos i ellada
> meinei xoris reuma. zitas na iparksi se dikasthrio diasfalisi oti
> eisai asfalhs sthn xora sou. erxetai i deh loipon kai leei oti ola
> einai mia xara kai exoume tin diasfalisi tis microsoft gia auto.
> kai rotaei o dikigoros sou: "iparxei episthimonikos
> foreas ths deh pou na pistopoihse oti prokeitai gia texnika artio
> sistima kai
> na dhmosiopoihse thn meleth;" kai "apanthsh1: ma den mporoume na kanoume
> kati tetoio giati den exoume ton kodika", "apanthsh2: to kaname alla den 
> mporoume na dhmosieusoume ta apotelesmata giati mas desmeuei i
> microsoft".
> 
> kai ekei erxetai o proedros tou dikasthriou kai leei analoga ths
> apanthshs1 i apanthshs2 : "ara eite den mporeite na pistopoihsete texnika
> (algorithmika - mathimatika ean thes) gia to sistima gia to opoio
> ipografete i mporeite alla arneiste na apodeiksete se proedro ellhnikou
> dikasthriou i se empeirognomona tou, oti auto pou mas lete ontws isxei,
> agaphte mhxanike sas katadikazo gia paravasi kathikotnos kai thn etaireia
> sas (deh) se ena megalo prostimo kai sas epivallo na vreite tropo na 
> ginoun dimosia ola auta - kopste ton laimo sas alla tha kseroume ti
> ginetai"
> 
> analoges aitiaseis mporoun na ginoun gia ipologistes pou fillasontai
> kratika arxeia, liksharxeio, kthmatologio. ean dextoume i microsoft
> na mporei na dosei se kapoion "diko" tis ena patch pou tha kanei
> bypass oles tis asfalistikes dikleides enos sistimatos (afou einai i moni
> pou kserei pos douleui to windows security) tote einai san na
> apodexomaste
> oti o kataskeustis enos foriamou (sirtaria) mporei na valei enan
> mixanismo
> pou tha allazei to periexomeno ton fakelon pou fillasontai ston foriamo
> kata thn voulisi tou kataskeuasti.
> 
> episis pos kseroume oti esoterika i microsoft ipakouei ston 
> www.elot.gr , to dimosio agorazei pragmata pou den ipakououn
> sta protipa pou theti to idio ; 
> (vevea edo o elot den ipakoui ston elot, mono stin ellada mporei na
> simvei auto...)
> 
> 
> 
> ftoxos sillogos mporei na eimaste alla oi dikigoroi tis sun den nomizo
> na einai tipota ftoxadakia. sigoura den tha kanoume aurio to proi
> monoi mas minisi stin microsoft giati tha mas eksontosi oikonomika 
> alla mporoume na valoume allous na tis tin kanoun kai na proetoimasoume
> ta epixeirhmata.
> 
> 
> 
> >Den mporoun na theorithoun epishmh yposthriksh ta panepisthmia kai oi 
> >foithtes, para mono gia ta idia toys ta systhmata (vlepe NOC P.A. :-)
> 
> diladi to dimosio den mporei na traviksei ipostiriksi kai texnognosia 
> apo tous akrivopliromenous kathigites tou pou tha dosoun os praktiki
> stous foithtes tous ton sxediasmo unix sistimaton gia to dimosio ;
> 
> 
> 
> o kathigitis papadhmhtriou isos na mporei na mas ferei se epafi
> me ton sellh pou einai proedros sto ethniko simvoulio ereunas
> kai texnologias oste na mporesoume na diekdikisoume kai emeis
> mia thesi ekei gia na akousti i foni mas.
> 
> genika ean den xtistoun listes ipografon ptixiouxwn pou mas
> ipostirizoun den nomizo na mporesoume na piesoume, mia tetoia lista
> na mporei na ginei sto open_fest i apo tin lgu. ksero oti exei protathi
> kai
> to ipostirizo therma. mia dilosi tou tipou: "pisteyete oti tha simvali
> thetika
> i diadosi tou linux sto dimosio tomea kai thn ekpaideush ;" 
> tote ipograpste....
> 
> 
> mporeite isos na kalesete tipota mikra kanalia (alter, alpha) 
> na kanoun kana reportaz apo to open-fest
> 
> sto www.netcafe.gr exei endiaferonta pragmata gia to pos kinithikan
> kai ef'oson petixan isos iparxoun xrisima stoixeia (exoun as poume
> dieuthinsi
> dikigorou pou lei oti kseri apo nomika+internet). oti epetixan to petixan
> afou kinithikan "dinamika" diladi kapoios katelave me pc mia plateia sthn
> larisa kai oloi mazi arxisan na apokaloun tin ellada tritokosmiki xora
> opote
> oi politikoi ta mazepsan
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 5o epixeirhma ms
> 
> logo tou oti einai dorean tha kopsi thesis ergasias afou den einai 
> simvato me tous nomous tis agoras (ara the xasete
> psifous) : nai alla to linux exei timi: 0$, sigoura tha vrethoun alloi 
> programmatistes pou tha xaroun na paroun lefta gia suport sto linux, ti
> egine 
> fovomaste ton antagwnismo ;
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> http://www.esiea.gr/gr/8useful/agenda.html
> 
> eleutherotipia:
> http://www.enet.gr/online/online_communication.jsp
> 
> kai oxi den exo provlima me ton boli apla den kserei oti 
> gia tous aggloamerikanous i mi proaspisi ton simefrontwn sou 
> simainei dikaioma tous na sou epitethoun oso dikio i adiko 
> kai ean exeis.....
> 
> "gamo to syntagma sas kai to koinovoulio sas, i ameriki einai elefantas
> , i 
> ellada einai psilos , i kypros einai psilos, kai an kounithi o elefantas
> mporei na liosei ton psilo"
> 
> Lyndon Johnson , USA President, speaking to Hellas ambassador to
> Washington.
> 
> eidate eygeneia logou ; .....
> 
> giorgos tsimaras
> 


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