Peri copyrant klp (kai ligo GPL)

[Michalis Kabrianis]

On 09-Jun-2000 Theodore J. Soldatos wrote:
> Michalis Kabrianis wrote:
>> 
>> Re sy Thodwri, den katalabainw to skeptiko sou (sas).
>> O kathenas pou grafei ena programma PREPEI na exei to dikaiwma na to poulaei
>> opws kai oso thelei.
>> Nai i oxi?
> 
> Oxi. Kat' arxhn DEN poulane, noikiazoune. Polhsh shmainei oti einai diko mou
> kai to kano o,ti thelo. An ego den to thelo pia, mporo na to poulhso se
> esena, sosta ? LATHOS! Den to exo agorasei, to exo noikiasei kai malista me
> oro na mhn mporo na metavivaso to dikaioma. 

Pali omws, dikaiwma tou einai na kathorisei tous orous tis synallagis.

> Deyteron, yparxoun kanones sto ti mporei na kanei o polhths kai ti orous
> mporei
> na thesei. To "oso" kathorizetai apo tous kanones ths agoras (an kai edo
> yparxoun antitrust kai antimonopoliakoi nomoi akrivos gia na mhn mporei o
> kathenas na kerdoskopei). Gia to "opws" omos yparxoun epipleon kanones. An
> ego
> sou poulhso ena aytokinhto kai sto symvolaio grapso oti se periptosh pou
> fygei h
> roda ego den ftaio, an fygei h roda kai tsakisteis ego san kataskeyasths *tha
> ftaio* aneksarthta apo to ti exeis ypograpsei esy, apo ameleia h vlakeia. 

Tsou, kaneis lathos. Prepei na apodeikseis meiwmeni antilipsi, ara meiwmeni
dikopraktiki ikanotita, ara i agorapwlisia einai akyri, ara APLA pairneis ta
lefta sou pisw, kai den mporeis na ksanaagoraseis tipota.

> Aytoi oi kanones yparxoun gia na prostatevoun ton agorasth. Dioti mporei o
> agorasths na einai hlithios kai o polhths na mhn exei hthikous fragmous sto
> na ton ekmetaleytei. Se aythn thn periptosh, epemvainei h politeia. Allios
> leitourgei o nomos ths zouglas: Oi isxyroi epivionoun, oi adynamoi
> pethainoun, metaforika kai kyriolektika. Politismos shmainei na epizoun kai
> oi adynatoi, sthn periptosh mas oi hlithioi. 
> 

Ela omws pou (kalws kat' eme) den einai etsi....
Kai na sto pw ki alliws. Otan se syllaboun, stin Ameriki bebaia, sou diabazoun
ta dikaiwmata sou. Meta se rwtane : Ta katalabes? An peis oxi (2-3 fores
bebaia) erxetai EIDIKOS psyxologos tis astynomias kai dikigoros apo to kratos
prin mporesoun na se ksanaagkiksoun.
AN omws katalabeis ta dikaiwmata sou (== diabases tin EULA kai patises accept)
megale tin patises. As prosexes :-)

> Sthn periptosh toy DVD gia paradeigma, oi etaireies xrhsimopoioun thn dynamh
> tous gia na vgaloun akoma perissotera fraga. Einai *apolyta themito* to
> kratos, pou exei th dynamh na to kanei, na tous periorisei gia na
> prostatepsei tous polites tou, giati aytos einai o logos yparkshs tou: Na
> prostateyei tous *polites* san atoma kai oxi tis etaireies.

Mpa mpa? Den eida kanena kratos na epembainei. Gia ton aploustato logo oti den
exei kati gia na epembei :-)

> An isxye ayto pou les parapano, tote fidi kolovo pou mas efage. Akoma kai me
> kanones oi etaireies exoun apokthsei terastia dynamh, an den yphrxan kai
> kapoies
> dikleides asfaleias tora tha hsoun sklavos kapoias etaireias. Demenos me
> alysides. Mprosta sto PC sou. Pou trexei Windoze. :-)

Tsou. To trabas sta akra mperdevontas aplous nomikous orous me oria eleytherias.

>> Den mporeis dimokratika na epibaleis ston allo to "den tha to pouliseis, tha
>> to
>> xariseis epeidi etsi goustarw".
> 
> Oxi, alla mporeis na tou epivaleis na mhn kerdoskopei asystola. 

OUTE KAN ayto den mporeis na epibaleis. To mono pou mporeis na tou epibaleis
einai na min einai monopwlio. AN kerdoskopei asystola kai YPARXEI enallaktiki
lysi, den mporeis na tou kaneis tipota.

> Den eipe kanenas oti olo to software prepei na xarizetai sonei kai kala. To
> ti tha einai eleythero kai ti oxi tha to deiksei h praktikh. Alla mexri tote
> prepei na yparxoun kanones. Kai tous kanones tous orizei to kratos me
> gnomona to symferon ton politon, oxi h Micro$oft, oute h MPAA. *POTE* den
> tous edosa ego san poliths ths Elladas ayto to dikaioma.

Oxi bebaia, ma den sto zitisane. Sou lene to eksis aplo:
Thes na paikseis me ta paixnidia mas? Tha paikseis me tous dikous mas
kanones. TOTE tous dineis to dikaiwma :-)

>> Megalytero (kai POLY megalytero malista) einai to problima tis peirateias
>> logismikou. Giati o kosmos to kanei xwris na katalabainei.
> 
> Poly megalytero einai to provlhma ths *antistrofhs* peirateias pou kanoun oi
> etaireies, vlepe OEM leitourgika. Ksereis poses adeies exo petaksei eno tis
> exo (h etaireia telos panton) plhrosei ? Kai den mporo na dexto na mou
> epivallei h Micro$oft kai h kathe koloetaireia mia BSA sthn plath mou, th
> stigmh malista pou akoma kai me ta trella pososta peirateias pou yparxoun oi
> perissoteres etaireies phzoun sto xrhma. Giati h BSA den tha koitaksei na
> periorisei thn peirateia px sta games, opou ontos polles kales etaireies
> pane apates logo peirateias, alla koitazei ta symferonta ton megalon. An h
> peirateia epefte sto mhden me kapoio magiko tropo, ta lefta pou tha evgaze o
> Gates tha ftanane na agorasei ton planhth. 

Exeis tin epilogi na min pareis to OEM leitourgiko. AN den exeis tin epilogi
(pou den to nomizw) exeis tin epilogi na pareis allo mixanima. An den exeis
oute ayti tin epilogi, exeis ti nomimi epilogi na zitiseis ta lefta sou pisw mi
symfwnwntas (EULA) me tin adeia xrisis.

>> Thes (thelete) na kanoume kati?
>> Steilte oloi apo enan katalogo stin BSA me etaireies kai idiwtes pou prepei
>> na "tous kanei mia episkepsi".
> 
> Ayto legetai "xafiedismos" kai dedomenou oti den pistevo oti o skopos agiazei
> ta mesa, arnoumai na to kano. :-)

Mwre ki egw arnoumai gia kapoious logous pou den exw ksekatharisei akoma, alla
einai mia kali lysi :-)

>> Telos, prosfatws epsaxna kati themata gia licensing programmatwn gia
>> emporikous skopous.
>> Sas pliroforw oti megalyteri diktatoria apo tin GPL den yparxei.
>> Osoi de, poulane programmata GPL'd einai TROMERA ypokrites, apla kai mono
>> gia na bgaloun ena - dyo fragka.
> 
> Den ksero ti ennoeis ypokrites, ayto pou ksero einai oti an o Kerberos htan
> GPL anti gia BSD (poly pio "fileleytherh" adeia oso afora thn antimetopish
> ton emporikon skopon), h Micro$oft *den* tha mporouse na *klepsei*
> ousiastika to protokolo xrhsimopoiontas thn dynamh pou exei apokthsei os
> monopolio. Kai sto kato kato kanenas den se ypoxreonei na xrhsimopoihseis
> GPL, oi developers to apofasizoun monoi tous. An thes na xrhsimopoihseis
> kati pou einai se GPL kai na *mhn* to valeis se GPL, tote esy eisai lathos,
> dioti gia libraries yparxei kai h LGPL. 

Ki omws, tha mporouse na yparksei ena license (oxi GPL , oute BSD) pou na ta
problepei ayta, XWRIS na pidaei ton programmatisti :-)

>> Tha proteina (kai tha to koitaksw poly sobara gia na kanw protaseis) na
>> asxolithei o syllogos me mia nea license pou na eksasfalizei ta eksis:
>> 
>> a) na einai open source pros ofelos tou agorasti
> 
> GPL
> 
>> b) ta emporika dikaiwmata pros ofelos tou programmatisti
> 
> GPL epishs. Kanenas den se empodizei na poulas GPL software kai malista oxi
> mono ayto pou exeis grapsei esy, alla kai software allon. Kai kyrios kaneis
> den se empodizei na poulas *SUPPORT*.


Episis kaneis den empodizei ayton pou tou to poulises na to ksanapoulisei.
Kai an esy pouliseis to super-duper programma stin InfoQuest, kai ayti to
bgalei me alli syskevasia kai to ksanapoulisei, ELA PES MOU posa antigrafa
akoma tha pouliseis :-)

En oligois, sygxaritiria, molis ekanes tin Infoquest akoma pio plousia enw esy
tha meineis stin psatha :-)

>> Gia na min kataliksoume ki emeis na ginoume ypokrites opws i RedHat
> 
> H Redhat einai etaireia, kai gia etaireia pistevo oti einai ok. Den
> katalavaino ayto to "ypokrites", mporeis na to ekshghseis ligo ? 

Safws.
H RedHat poulaei ta GPLd GNUpro kai Cygwin.
Ante diabase ta sites (sorry alla bariemai na ta grafw).
Meta apo kana-dyo wres pou tha breis pou einai ta sources (mia pou einai
epimelws "krymmena"), diabase ta sxolia ekei gia na katalabeis tis diafores tis
"agorasmenis" ekdosis apo tin free. Diabase ta kala, kai prosekse to noima.
Oi ekdoseis tou software "mporei" na min einai idies...
Kai telos, diabase kai gia ekeino to kommataki tou GNUpro pou aneptykse i
RedHat kai DEN einai GPL (giati arage an eimaste toso ypostiriktes tis GPL).

> T.


Michalis Kabrianis
kabrianis at hellug.gr
http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/mkab