peri non-vompatible linux sites kai HELLUG

[Michalis Kabrianis]

On 16-Apr-2000 Evripidis Papakostas wrote:
> Loipon,
> 
<snip>

Loipon, twra pou exw ligo parapanw xrono, pame pio sobara. (oti eipa bebaia
isxyei, apla na thesw pio sygkekrimenes apopseis). Exw kopsei arketa simeia sta
opoia apla symfwnw kai den exw kati allo na pw, kai elpizw na min exw alloiwsei
to noima.

> Milao gia ta anti-linux sites.
> 
> Prokeitai gia ta sites afta pou logo agnoias,
> varemaras, anikanotitas den sinergazontai me to Linux
> i tous browsers tou (polla plugins, elegxoi gia
> IE, java, .exe programmata pou prepei na stiseis gia
> na deis metoxes klp).
> 
> Episis iparxei to thema tou idiou tou internet os
> fysikis sindesis. Edo exoume tous providers. Gia tous
> idious logous, iparxoun CDs egkatastasis
> sindesis, dorean sindromon, support tilefoniko MONO
> gia Windows. Sto linux to provlima tis sindesis einai
> tou idiou tou xristi (san na boykotaretai apo ton
> provider gia tin epilogi tou "eisai linux ela more
> kanto monos sou, rota, palepse to, emas to cd mas
> apaksiei na asxolithei me sena.")

Stin periptwsi twn sites tha symfwnisw. To oti kapoios kanei ena site
EPAGGELMATIKA ton ypoxrewnei na proseggizei to koino tou. Ara prepei na
xrisimopoiei platform-independent texnologies.
Stin periptwsi twn ISPs omws to thema einai dioaforetiko:
Exe ypopsi sou oti ekei tou zitas na PROSLABEI enan akoma programmatisti.
Ayto exei pragmatiko emfanes oikonomiko kostos (enw to allo exei mono krymmeno
:-) ara einai pio dyskolo.

<snip>
> Gia arxi tha proteina mia selida .html pou na eksigei
> ti prepei na apofevgoun ta sites pou theloun na
> diatiroun simvatotita mazi mas kai to oti
> eimaste anoiktoi gia simvoules sto parapano thema.

O.k, symfwnoume. As ftiaksoume mia "epitropi", "omada ergasias" opws thelete
peite to, pou na analabei ayto to thema.

<snip>
> Stin selida afti, tha eprepe na anaferetai kai to
> email tou texnikou ipefthinou tis kathe selidas kai na
> protrepoume ta meli mas na drastiriopoiithoun (gia
> diko tous kalo) me to na epikoinonisoun mazi tou kai
> na diamartirithoun gia tin katastasi.

Ayto "krybei" ton kindyno tou na thewrithei oti (a) eimaste empatheis giati (b)
pleon milame kata atomwn kai oxi kata etaireiwn.

> Telos san sillogos tha eprepe na exoume etoimi mia
> epistoli asimvatotitas pou na stelnoume sta en logo
> sites/providers eidopoiontas tous syllogika gia to
> provlima pou dimiourgoun stin koinotita mas.

Swsto, alla prepei na proseggisoume ton Avramopoulo mou fainetai gia na einai
pragmatika swsti i epistoli.
Kai ksekatharizw: H epistoli prepei na tonizei ta problimata, xwris omws na
deixnei yperoptiki i epithetiki stasi. Taytrogxrona omws prepei na deixnei oti
den tha to afisoume na perasei etsi. Exete bebaia ypopsi sas oti to na tous
poume "Tha sas baloume se eidiki selida san sites pou DEN fainontai" tous
prosferei (gkriza) diafimisi, kai tous kanei kalo (giati alliws apla den tous
blepoume, enw etsi dimiourgoume to "mikrobio" na tous dei kapoios).

<snip>
> Alloste oi anthropoi epixeirimaties einai. Borei na
> theoroun amelitea tin posotita mas gia na asxolithoun
> mazi mas, alla an peistoun gia to antitheto
> den einai treloi, tha prospathisoun oi idioi na
> apefthinthoun kai se emas.

Mpa. Epixeirimaties DEN einai, arpaxtes kanoun... Alla opws eipa, an to kseroun
oti mas agnooun, tote mono kalo tous kanoume me to na asxoloumaste mazi tous
dynamika. Isws ARTHRA se periodika, (pali diafimisi einai bebaia) tonizontas to
xamilo tous (techniko) epipedo na tous peiraksei perissotero.

> Telos, pistevo pos stin periptosi pou kapoia sites,
> afou idopoiithoun kai tous prosferthei xeira
> sinergasias sto parapano thema, enooun na min allazoun
> stasi kai na min einai orata apo mas, to hellug tha
> eprepe na akolouthei IDIA politiki kai pros afta
> (disfimisi, link apo tis selides pou epireazoume stin
> lista ton boykotarismenon sites, sistasi gia apofigi
> www episkepseon (akoma kai ergasias ekei), kafstika
> arthra, epistoles diamartirias, sistasi gia protimisi
> antagwnistikou proiontos apo epixeirimatia pou mas
> sevetai kai den mas agnoei). Akoma kai mi prosvasi apo
> ta sites afta tha sizitaga (alla tha me peite
> extremisti kai tha dosoume lathos prosanatolismo sto
> thread).

Isws, opws eipa kai pio panw, ayto na einai diafimisi kai oxi dysfimisi
(kanenas marketistas edw mesa?)

> p.s. den to grafo gia na anoiksoume ena terastio
> thread tou styl "sosta, alla diafono mono me to simeio
> ekeino pou ...." klp. as perioristoume stin kentriki
> idea, sto an tha kanoume kati gia afto i gia to an den
> mas endiaferei pleon na vlepoume internet apo linux
> (giati to mixanani mas telika, ama laxei kai theloume
> kati apo to web, to kanoume kai dual boot, opote pali
> kala eimaste).

Egw pantws eipa oti symfwnw kai meta ekrina sygkekrimena simeia sta opoia
diafwnw :-)

Egw proswpika analambanw tin eksis drasi:

Tha steilw mail se osous tetoious kserw pou na to trabane sta akra (p.x.
x-treme, eurobank), san syntaktis tou magaz, kai tha pw oti etoimazw ena
arthro. Den tha tous pw "exete lathos". Tha tous rwtisw ti einai ayto pou tous
odigise se aytin tin apofasi (polles fores DEN einai apofasi, alla einai agnoia
bebaia, alla egw tha to paiksw xazos).
Telos, tha dimosieysw ta apotelesmata tis erevnas sto Magaz, kai tha prospathisw
with a little help from my friends, na ta steilw kai se entypa periodika.

Gi ayto zitaw opoios kserei tetoia sites, na mou steilei ta URL tous.

Thanks
Michalis Kabrianis