Parembash SEPE

Nikolaos Ladis ndladis at otenet.gr
Mon Nov 9 11:27:14 EET 2009


On Sunday 08 of November 2009 14:49:10 V13 wrote:
> On Sunday 08 November 2009, George Miliotis (Corfiot) wrote:
> > On 8/11/2009 1:51 μμ, V13 wrote:
> > > Pote epiteloys tha xonepsete oti to ofelos toy opensource den einai ta
> > > leyta
> > > kai oti oso to skefteste toso kanete kako sthn olh prospatheia ?
> > >
> > > Diladi, an soy apodeikso oti to X opensource programma se mia
> > > epixeirhsh kostizei (braxy/mesoprothesma) perissotero apo to antistoixo
> > > programma kleistoy kodika tha peis oti to 2o einai kalitero?
> >
> > Εμ... ξέχασες ότι μιλάμε για εταιρείες. Δεν μπορείς να διαγράψεις τον
> > οικονομικό παράγοντα σε τέτοιες περιπτώσεις.
> 
> To minima elege:
> 
> "Δεν μπορεί να μου ζητάνε με καμάρι 20 χιλιάρικα για το X  πρόγραμμα και να
> βρίσκω παραπλήσιο σε opensource  για μερικές εκατοντάδες ευρώ.  Αν δεν
> μπορούν να εξελιχθούν ας χαθούν σαν τους δεινόσαυρους."
> 
> Kai to epixeirhma ayto einai askopo.
> 
> Poy akribos milisame gia etairies kai ti eipame?
> 
> Diladi, o logos poy epidiokoyme thn eyryterh xrisi opensource einai to na
> glitosoyn leyta oi etairies? Ayto to katafernoyn kai mones toys.
> 
> > Όσο για τα άλλα οφέλη, έρχονται πάντα δεύτερα στην χώρα μας με αυτούς
> > τους ανθρώπους για τους οποίους μιλάμε.
> 
> Sth sygkekrimeni periptosi blepo esena kai ton Manoli (ston opoio ekana
>  arxika reply) na ta bazete se deyteri moira.
> 
> Apenantias exo dei "anthropoys gia toys opoioys milame" na bazoyn proto to
> vendor lock-in (kai po tis dyo meries).
> 
> > Και τελικά, ποια ακριβώς είναι αυτή η προσπάθεια; Τα ανοιχτά δεδομένα κι
> > ο ανοιχτός κώδικας; Αν ναι, κακό είναι που βγαίνει συχνά φτηνότερο το
> > ΛΑΚ;
> 
> Poy akribos stirizeis to oti to opensource einai fthinotero gia mia
>  etairia? Exeis kanei kapoia oikonomiki meleti (proxeirh) gia kati tetoio?
>  An nai tha exei endiaferon na th paroysiaseis. An oxi, tha einai kalitera
>  na analogisteis mia ypothetiki.
> 
> hint: To kostos kathorizetai apo to poso poy einai diatethimenos na
>  plirosei o allos kai oxi apo to kostos kataskeyhs. An pote ginei
>  emproeymatopoihsh toy opensource na eisai sigoyros pos tha kostizei
>  *perissotero* apo ta closed- source programmata giati exei perissotera
>  ofeli kai epomenos plironetai perissotero. Pera omos apo to thema toy
>  emporeymatos prepei na ypologiseis kai ta kosth enarkshs, syntirisis,
>  yposthrikshs kai metabashs, kathos kai ta pragmata ta opoia synepagetai.
>  Den mporeis p.x. na exeis plhroforiako systhma ths SAP kai  opensource
>  e-shop, opote polles fores milas gia genikoteri allagi (poy den einai
>  panta efikti).
> 
> <<V13>>
> 

Simfono sta perissotera apo afta pou les kai kyrios gia to vendor-lock.
 
San diahiristis eho dei tragika pragmata se etairies pou parakalagan na tous 
sosoume apo kapoia parohimena programmata pou distihos itan adinato na 
apohoristoun horis ekseretika megalo oikonimiko kai ergasiako kostos.

An den to anafera einai giati to theoro dedomeno oti enas diahiristis prepei 
na to lavei ipopsi tou stin aksiologisi - kai etsi egine edo. 

Emena prosopika den me endiaferei kanena kostos. An thelo kati to opoio 
prepei na to pliroso tote tha to pliroso. Hrisimopoio ta opensource 
programmata kai sinithos agorazo tin dianomi mou san na itan opoiodipote 
proion tis X etairias. - opos tha agoraso to closed source an den iparhei 
ennalaktiki efhristi lisi i ta hreiazomai. 

Otan milame tora gia tin epiheirisi stin opoia ergazomai, tote ta pragmata 
diaforopoiountai. Otan zitame programma diahirisis/logistiriou etairias einai 
logiko oti tha tsinisei o idioktitis otan akousei oti to kostos enos kleistou 
logismikou ( kai me vendor-lock) gnostou software house ehei minimum 10,000 
(+20,000 gia na ginei pio leitourgiko), eno paraplisio  kostizei 500 + 250 i 
aitisia sintirisi. 

Opos tou kanei aisthisi to gegonos oti gia ena MS Office prepei na plirosei 
100+ evro kai gia leitourgiko peripou alla tosa x 15-20 adeies eno me to 
Linux/openOffice ta kanei tsampa i me elahisto kostos. 
Ehei parei tin apofasi oti opoio OS kai na evaze tha proslamvane diahiristi 
systimmaton opote kai  ypostiriksi gia egatastasi/sintirisi + anavathmiseis. 

Oson afora to peiratiko logismiko kalytera ksehna to. Ehoume ypostei 4 
eleghous tis eforias os ta tora. 

Itan safos pio efkolo giafton na kanei agora neon ypoligiston + servers pou 
einai kati heiropiasto apo to na diathesei ena poso se kati aylo pou einai oi 
adeies hrisis kai pou gia afton miazei me ntavatziliki. -poso mallon tora pou 
i naftilia perna krisi. 

Kai eno stin arhi prin 5-6 hronia itan thema kathara kostous, tora pia to 
vlepei kai me kapoia  perifania oti hrisimopoei pantou open source 
OS/programmata. 

Einai afto pou leme trogontas erhetai i oreksi..... :)


Nikos 


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