Linux-greek-users Digest, Vol 13, Issue 17

Iakwbos Triantafillou ewsforos at styx.irc.gr
Thu May 20 03:28:42 EEST 2004


DJ Art wrote:

>>True. Einai toso lito pou mprosta tou to slackware fantazei laterna. 
>>Omorfo ontws.
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>ε, όχι και τέτοιο flamewar ;) Ας είναι τουλάχιστον με σωστά επιχειρήματα.
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>Define τον όρο λατέρνα. Δε νομίζω ότι στέκει αυτό που λές, από τη στιγμή που το
>Gentoo δεν έχει καθόλου λιτό package manager.
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Ena distro den einai to packaging system tou mono. To emerge einai para 
poly omorfo kai praktiko ergaleio gia ayton pou kserei na to 
xrhsimopoihsei. H eleytheria pou prosferei einai apisteyth. Ta ebuilds 
einai h alitheia oti theloun ligo akoma douleia alla oi yposthriktes tou 
gentoo kanoun apisteyth douleia sto na diorthwnoun synexeia ta opoia 
lathakia kai to apotelesma einai pleon idiaitera kalo kai exei 
epiteyxthei mesa se poly mikro sxetika xroniko diasthma. Proswpika 
pisteyw oti sto syntomo mellon tha exoun diorthwthei ta opoia melana 
shmeia kai tha einai mia poly kalh lysh overall.

>Επίσης, το Gentoo μοιάζει σαν το SuSE και το Debian. Δεν είναι ότι απλώς έχει
>μερικά "άχρηστα" πακέτα, έχει το ΣΥΜΠΑΝ ολόκληρο και πολύ πιο πέρα. Άρα που
>είναι η "λιτότητα". Εγώ σίγουρα δεν μπορώ να τη δώ.
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Well, afou to esthsa kai ekana chroot eixa ena systhma to opoio den eixe 
inetd, xinetd (paroti an thes mporeis na baleis kapoio apo ta dyo), 
pciutils (px lspci), bind-utils (px host) oute kan iptables (supported 
fysika einai apo kernel klp, alla to iptables per-se den htan kan mesa). 
Poso pio lito mporei na einai kati, pou eides ta perita paketa kai ti 
den katalabaineis apo litothta se ayto? 1cd einai to rhmadi ki ayto 
utilised sto 20% tou capacity tou (pou anaferthike kapou gia to plithos 
twn cds se alla distros). Ousiastika htan ena systhma me isa-isa ta 
aparaithta na bootarei kai sshd. TPT allo ki otan lew tpt allo ennow tpt 
allo. To kobeis kai to rabeis opws akribws thes. Safws megalyterh 
eleytheria apo opoiodhpote allo distro gnwrizw.
Epishs sou dinei th dynatothta na to sthseis apo to cd me precompiled 
binaries opws kathe allo distro (Stage3) eite Stage 2 kai 1 opou to 1 
fernei para poly se (kai praktika einai) LFS. Pragmatika den blepw pou 
den katalabaineis thn litothta se ayto... To slack exei xilia dyo 
pragmata (apo services, tools klp kai nai kserw oti an kaneis custom 
installation den xreiazetai na ta baleis ola klp klp) alla pam oxiiii, 
den exei... Prosfata ekana administer ena slack kai xreiasthke na 
baloume pam gia na yposthriksoume virtual email/web accounts. Arketa 
ekneyristiko prepei na omologhsw. To gentoo ok, den erxetai ki ayto me 
pam by default, alla den erxetai kai me praktika tpt allo, opote den 
mporeis na paraponetheis gia ayto eks arxhs.

>Συμφωνώ ότι είναι για πιο power users, αλλά όχι και λιτό το Gentoo. Όχι και λιτό
>όταν θές μια εβδομάδα για να το κάνεις compile και μετά να το εγκαταστήσεις.
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Se ena PIII at 550 me 512RAM mou phre ligotero apo mia mera apo th stigmh 
pou ebala to cd mexri pou eixa working system (chroot) 
symperilambanomenwn olwn twn post-install configurations, emerge twn 
pragmatwn pou xreiazomoun kai tou compilation tous. Exei katanthsei ligo 
urban legent to "thelei mia bdomada na kaneis compile" nomizw :-)
Btw mhn parekshghseis ta legomena mou... Proswpika eimai Redhat/Fedora 
fan (an kai osa mhxanakia exw me RH/Fedora ta exw "peiragmena"). Den 
foraw parwpides oute eimai kollhmenos se kati. Apla sto thema litothtas 
kai configurability den exw dei tpt paromoio kai aytos einai kai o logos 
pou to yposthriksa (kai to yposthrizw) se ayton ton tomea ws idanikh 
epilogh. :-)

Filika,

I.T.




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