Mas endiaferei ?

[George Daflidis-Kotsis]

On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 08:21:29AM +0300, Evripidis Papakostas wrote:

> George Daflidis-Kotsis wrote:
> 
> >On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 08:01:38PM +0300, Evripidis Papakostas wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Dhladh osoi exoun ptuxio plhroforikhs einai giatroi, kai osoi den exoun
> >>>einai apla skitzhdes e? :->
> >>>
> >>>Bebaia to 8ema 3ekinhse apo allou kai allou katellh3e ka8ws to problhma
> >>>den einai mono oti autoi pou DEN exoun ptuxio antimetopizontai ws mauroi
> >>>apo tous ergodotes alla kai autoi pou exoun ptuxio.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>mallon diavazeis (opos kai ego) viastika ta posts. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>isa isa. ego leo pos borei na iparxoun asxetoi giatroi kai sxetikotatoi 
> >>ebeirotexnes. alla oi men einai ebeirotexnes kai oi de giatroi.
> >>
> >>to an kanoun mia douleia kala i kaka einai diko tous problima kai tou 
> >>ergodoti tous (an kai edo polloi isos na isxyrizontai oti an afiseis to 
> >>ksaderfi tou giatrou na kanei egxeiriseis, akoma kai kala na tis kanei, 
> >>isos afto apo mono tou na arkei gia na rikseis ti misthodosia se simio 
> >>pou sto mellon thes de thes mono to ksaderfi tou giatrou tha katadexetai 
> >>na doulevei me to mistho afto).
> >>
> >>edo milame gia ena sillogo.
> >>
> >>kai kathe sillogos otan idrithike, ston tomea tou, antimetopise akrivos 
> >>to idio provlima.
> >>
> >>kapoioi idi energoi kai me gnoseis aftodidaktoi askoun ena epaggelma, 
> >>pou tora borei na kaliptetai eksoloklirou apo eksidikevmeno episima 
> >>prosopiko, kai o sillogos kalitai na iperaspistei ta dikaiomata tou 
> >>tomea (den ipirxan panta episimoi dikigoroi, giatroi, arxitektones alla 
> >>apo prin kapoios ekane ti douleia).
> >>
> >>opos thelei ipografi apo episimo TEE mia oikodomi, apo episimo 
> >>ilektrologo mia egkatastasi, apo episimo nafpigo ena tanker, etsi tha 
> >>eprepe kai to software pou odigei ena laser gia mati, i ipologizei 
> >>kampseis dokon, i logistika na thelei episimo ptyxio pliroforikou pou 
> >>tha valei tin ipografi (ipografi=efthini , efthini=misthos) klp.
> >>
> >>enas sillogos an endiaferete gia  tin poiotita logismikou kai to 
> >>simferon ton epistimonon tou tomea mas (an einai episitimi panta, 
> >>fantazomai oti se afto den diafonoume) prepei na diasfalisei min 
> >>standards se ola afta: px na einai epistimones kai i paragomeni douleia 
> >>na xreonetai se epipedo nomikis, ithikis klp efthinis se kapoion 
> >>ipefthino. oso gia to mistho, an ta dio parapano isxyoun sinithos 
> >>erxetai me vasi to nomo tis agoras (toulaxiston oi alles kleistes kastes 
> >>pou ekanan to idio, fainetai na einai se kalitero epipedo apo mas).
> >>
> >>tipota prosopiko me kanenan, an kai sinithos to na sizititai psixra to 
> >>an prepei gia to simferon enos pragmatos pou oloi agapame na meinei 
> >>kapoios  apo mas apekso, odigei sto na to pairnoun oi apekso (isos kai 
> >>me to dikio tous) poly prosopika.
> >>
> >>to idio provlima exo p.x. kai me tin EPY pou dexetai stis taksis tis 
> >>mathimatikous, i otidipote allo antistoixo. megalos sillogos, polla 
> >>meli, kalo to bougio an kapoios thelei na ginei vouleftis, alla ...
> >>
> >>c'ya
> >>
> >
> >Kai pali, kaneis den eipe pws uparxoun kapoioi pou kanoun th douleia tous
> >po polu kala, metria, eparkws, xalia, kaneis den eipe pws kapoies fores
> >oi ptuxiouxoi 8a exoun megaluterh epituxia klp klp.
> >
> >Apo thn allh ean duo atoma kanoun thn idia douleia, sthn idia etairia,
> >me thn idia epituxia, den einai logiko na antimetwpizetai ws epaggelmatias
> >o ptuxiouxos kai ws mauros/albanos o mh-ptuxiouxos. (Na upen8umisw pws
> >sthn Ellada ws epi to pleiston ki o ptuxiouxos ws mauros/albanos
> >antimetwpizetai).
> >
> >Epanallambanw, den eipa o ptuxiouxos na mhn pairnei p.x. epidoma ptuxiou,
> >alla de dikaiologeitai o ptuxiouxos na exei dikaiwma se taktikes au3hseis,
> >adeies, proagwges klp, kai o mh-ptuxiouxos na antimetwpizetai me th logikh
> >tou "prepei na leei ki euxaristw pou exei thn timh na douleuei se mas".
> >
> >Kai na tonisw, de milaw mono gia dhmosio, de milaw gia epaggelmata pou
> >exoun na kanoun me thn an8rwpinh zwh (p.x. giatroi) kai den uposthrizw
> >pws oloi oi ptuxiouxoi einai isoi ki omoioi meta3u tous n' me tous
> >mh-ptuxiouxous.
> >
> >Filika.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> [gmt, prepei na stamatiso na apantao se dio atoma taftoxrona (kai ston 
> Andreou) kai na ta kano merge]
> 
> 
> kai omos, skepsou etairies pliroforikis pou anaptisoun ena sistima gia 
> elegxo enos laser egxeiriseon matiou, i ton ipologismo antoxis, kampsis 
> dokon gia domikous, i to security ton sistimaton tou pirgou elegxou enos 
> aerodromiou, i ta logistika mias etairias klp. edo den paizetai episis i 
>  s(t)omatiki :-) akeraiotita eos kai i fylaki anthropon?

Skepsou omws tis etairies plhroforikhs n' tous ISPs pou DEN anaptusoun
ena susthma gia elegxo enos laser egxeirhsewn matiou n' ton upologismo
antoxhs, kampshs dokwn gia domikous n' to security twn susthmatwn tou purgou
elegxou enos aerodromiou klp klp.

Skepsou kapoion pou einai upeu8unos gia thn anaptu3h software grafeiou,
gia thn diaxeirhsh susthmatwn enos ISP, gia kapoion pou asxoleitai me
thn anaptu3h logismikou gia kleidwma CD klp klp.

Opws eipa kai prin, mhn lambaneis upopshn mono oses apasxolhseis exoun
na kanoun me thn an8rwpinh zwh kai pou apaitoun o ergazomenos na bazei
thn upografh tou se mia meleth analambanontas thn eu8unh.

Autoi den exoun dikaiwmata ws ergazomenoi?


> se ola ta alla epaggelmata, kapoioi katathetoun ta ptyxia tous, pairnoun 
> tin efthini synolika, xreiazetai tin ipografi tous, logodotoun gia to 
> olo project se themata kakis kataskevis, ithikon zitimaton, sto 
> dikastirio, apaiteitai se diagonismous klp.
> 
> ipografi=efthini, efthini=misthos...
> 
> kai se aftes tis periptoseis iparxei kai o texnikos voithos, o 
> paraskevastis, i nosokoma, o askoumenos klp. borei na kseroun akoma kai 
> perissotera i na kanoun telika oli ti vromodouleia, alla iparxei diafora 
> misthologiou, epitelikon armodiotiton, efthinon.
> 
> se mas einai ligo ksefrago ampeli akoma (kai se dimosio kai se 
> idiotikes). opoios nanai, kanei oti nanai, se oti poiotita nani, kai se 
> oti timi nanai. an ipirxe enas aksioprepis silogos pliroforikis tha 
> eprepe na eksasfalisei akrivos tetoia pragmata. me ipefthino / armodio, 
> apodedeigmena ekseidikevmeno prosopiko pou exei alithines efthines kai 
> den borei na parakamfthei apo ton opoiondipote megalompakali/idioktiti 
> etairias, alla prepei na iparxei ipoxreotika to 
> evris-approved-sfragidaki sto telos tis protasis diagonismou, tis 
> aksiologisis, tou manual, tou kodika klp, tis paraggelias kai poiotikes 
> prodiagrafes douleias, o misthos akolouthei.
> 
> ase pou den tha ipegrafes etsi apla gia ena koloprograma logistikon, mia 
> proxeirodouleia-asfaleias gia ena nosokomeio - arpaxti. tha eprepe na 
> einai toulaxiston kapoion sigkekrimenon poiotikon prodiagrafon (diladi 
> kai na ipegrafes, meta apo ti filaki i tis miniseis apo tin etairia sou 
> pros esena i apo ton pelati pros esena otan kati stravone, tha to 
> ksanaskeftosouna sti filaki gia to ti tha kaneis tin epomeni fora).
> 
> 
> telos panton, kapos etsi meses-akres to kanoun oi alloi pou tous 
> zilevoume kai theloume na tous miasoume se kyros, sinthikes douleias kai 
> fragka.
> 
> c'ya
> 
> 
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[george daflidis-kotsis - systems admin,web/e-commerce - gdk at demon.net]