Ελληνικα - X, GNOME

Simos Xenitellis simos74 at gmx.net
Mon Feb 4 02:42:01 EET 2002


Kalispera!

Την Κυρ, 03-02-2002 στις 15:08, ο/η drcypher έγραψε:
> Telika me ta ellinika den yparxei ena provlima, alla dyo: 
> 1. Pos na vlepeis ellinika: re paidia, kserei kaneis an telika prokeitai
> na yiothetithei ena standard gia tis kodikopiiseis? Einai eknevristiko
> na nomizei kaneis oti epitelous borei na vlepei ellinika stin othoni tou
> kai telika ta misa ellinika na fainontai, ta alla misa oxi. Paradigma
> apo to gnome, pou sto idio menu exo ellinika labels, kai mesa se afta
> ena (elliniko kata ta alla keimeno) me ta grammata 'ksi' kai 'omikron'
> -os epi to pleiston-, kefalaia kai se diaforous sindiasmous. Anamesa
> tous yparxoun kai liga alla simvola, opos afto tou 1/2, ktl. Kai aftos
> einai o protos tropos pou emfanizontai esfalmena ta ellinika. Exo
> ellinikes grammatoseires apo to graphis kai klemenes truetype apo ta
> windows, alla afto fenetai den ftanei. Exo slack 8 kai trexo gnome, kai
> o naftilos exei ellinika menu, kai parathira, alla ta items pou dixni
> (directoreis, files, ktl) sinodevontai apo keimeno pou anaparistatai me
> erotimatika. (defteros tropos esfalmenis anaparastasis ton ellinikon). 
> Apo kei kai pera, se para polla programmata, an mou dinetai apo to idio
> to programma na allakso ta fonts boro na do ellinika, allios afta
> fainontai san evropaika (kserete emfanizontai pano sta grammata kati
> gallikoi tonoi, germanika umlaut, kai tetia pragmata) (tritos tropos
> emfanishs ton ellinikon). 
> Episis, piga prosfatos kai katevasa to Xfree86 4.2.0. Exei opos fainetai
> parousiasei ekseliksi sto thema ton grammatoseiron (exei true type,
> 2-byte grammatosires ktl). Episis mou fenetai oti ypostirizoun oi
> grammatosires perissotera encodings. Xarika kai go, pou epitelous ta
> ellinika ensomatothikan pliros. Alla ta encodings se oles tis
> grammatoseires tous, pidan apo to ISO8859-9 sto ISO8859-4. 
> An einai pote dynaton. Boro na do apo ton mozilla KINEZIKA (pragmatika
> kinezika, me ideogrammata kai ta loipa), kai den boro na do ellinika
> xoris na xaso tin ora mou! 

Sthle ena "screenshot" gia na doume ti akrivws symbainei.
(Efarmogidia/Ergaleia/"Pyrobolitis o8onis").
Opws anafer8ike apo ton Steve, prepei na ka8oriseis tin metabliti
"LANG". Parakatw, apo oti anafereis, to LANG sou prepei na einai
ka8orismeno swsta..
Koitaje to arxeio: /etc/sysconfig/i18n
Prepei na periexei "LANG=el_GR".
An oxi, treje
	locale_config
kai epeleje Greek (Greece).
H entoli afti 8a allajei to "LANG".
Ennalaktika, an xrisimopoieis to GDM, mporeis apo ekei na ka8oriseis ti
glwssa (el_GR).

> 
> 2. Pos grafeis ellinika: Tin patisa kai se afto to thema oson afora ton
> neo X-Server. Elege oti eixe ensomatomeni ipostiriksi ellinikou
> pliktrologiou. De leo, pataga alt+shift, allaze kanonika to LED pou eixa
> epileksei, kai ston mozilla eixa ontws elliniko pliktrologio... sxedon.
> Den boro na valo tonous kai dyalitika, toulaxiston me ton simvatiko
> tropo. Kai to pliktro q kai to pliktro tou 'tonou' gia ta ellinika, otan
> exo girisi sto elliniko pliktrologio vgazoun ton idio xaraktira (tin ano
> kato teleia). Afto pantos pou me paidepse pio poly apo ola itan pos tha
> boro na grafo ellinika sto gnome. Eno o mozilla (ton opio etrexa apo
> gnome) katalavaine to elliniko pliktrologio, ta apps tou GNOME, parolo
> pou pliktrologousa, den ekanan echo tipota. 
> Edo thelo na enimeroso tous xristes slackware + GNOME pou exoun to idio
> problima me mena, oti an to elliniko pliktrologio exei rithmistei sosta
> ston X server kai parola afta den boreite na grapsete ellinika, allakste
> tis metavlites perivallontos (LANGUAGE, LANG, LC_ALL) se el_GR.
> Pragmatika, polloi tha gelane gia tin ekseretika aploiki simvouli pou
> dino, alla tha borouse kapios apo ti lista na tin eixe dosei se arketous
> anthropous pou vrika oti exoun to idio problima apo ta archives, kai se
> mena pou exo stili 2-3 mails gia to thema. 
> Para loipon ti moda pou exoun ksekinisei ta MME na paraleipoume apo
> pantou tous tonous, ego epimeno na tous vazo. Bori kaneis na me
> voithisei na boro na vazo tonous sta X? 

Afto me tous tonous to exw janakousei se merika atoma.
Mou simbainei merikes fores kai se mena otan kati pa8ei kai trela8ei to
XKB. Me mia mikri allagi metaji efarmogwn ftiaxnei.

Den mas anafereis ti XFree86 exeis. "X -version". Epishs, ti RedHat?
Telos, poio teleftaio XFree86 exeis? Ekeino tou RedHat 7.x RedCarpet
channel (4.1.0.xxx) i to XFree86 tou Rawhide (4.2.0)?
Isws kapoia shmantika arxeia loipoun.
Gia na grapseis ellinika, kanonika grafeis "setxkbmap el" kai ola kala.
Gia na vlepeis poia glwssa einai energei, sinistw to 

http://gswitchit.sourceforge.net
An den egka8istate to RPM tou 0.80, vale tin ekdosi 0.7x.
H metaglwttisi doulevei arketa kala, prepei omws na exeis valei ta
dia8esima -devel paketa.

To GNOME dia8etei to GKB to opoio den katafera na kanw na doulepsei
akoma :( Ej' orismou xrisimopoiei to "xmodmap" (anti tou XKB) gia ta
ellinika kai den einai ka8olou kalo...

> 
> Einai fovero pantos afto pou perigrafo, an kaneis skeftei oti stin
> consola, me 3 entoles, vlepo kai grafo ellinika, me tonous kai ola...
> alla mono se ena terminal. Prepei se kathe terminal pou kano login na
> ksanatrexo tis entoles - pros to paron tis exo sto /etc/rc.d/rc.local -.
> Tha ta evaza sto .profile, alla ypotheto oti se aftin tin periptosi tha
> ektelountai kai otan anigo terminal apo X me tin epilogi -login, pragma
> pou den thelo. 

To beltisto einai na min xreiazete na to kaneis xeirwnaktika.
Yparxei to /etc/init.d/keytable to opoio ypoti8ete oti to kanei
aftomata. Yparxei ena problima otan mpeis sto grafiko periballon kai
meta pas se konsola. H elliniki grammatoseira xanete apo ti mnimi kai
prepei na tin janafortwseis.. :(
To keytable diabazei to arxeio: /etc/sysconfig/i18n

Kalo einai otan stelneis gramma gia boitheia, na "dineis" topo sti orgi
kai na eisai syntomos :)

Filika,
simos




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