bigcity.gr

Thu Sep 20 01:54:01 EEST 2001

From: "Christos Ricudis" <ricudis at paiko.gr>

<personal rant>
gmt, twra brhka na ginw flyaros, poy me8ayrio dinw ma8hma???
h mhpws gi' ayto???
</personal rant>

> Hello Yannis!

Hello Christos!

>  YK> To mono -*oysiastiko*- problhma  poy eida apo ton Netscape (4.*)
>
> To mono -*pragmatiko*- problhma poy yparxei s'ayth thn ypo8esh einai oti
kaneis
> de fainetai na'xei katalabei ti sto diaolo einai h HTML.
>
> H HTML einai mia markup language poy parexei -*HINTS*- ws pros to
> interpretation enos keimenoy. Ayto, kai tipote parapanw.

dedomenoy oti den xreiazetai  na  exeis etoimo *x8es* ena site poy
xrhsimopoiei mia forma poy kanei overlap meta3y _e3i_ diaforetikwn layers
kai den eisai ypoxrewmenos alla 8a h8eles na paizei kai se netscape giati to
brady 8a katseis na deis pws 8a thn doyn oi xrhstes ths hellug kai meta den
8a 8eloyn na soy kanoyn parea... nai, akoma kai an eixes katalabei kapote to
3exases sto endiameso :->

kai s' ayth thn periptwsh, kati poy den einai (kai ayto einai la8os)
implemented se ena browser einai arnhtiko... ena allo einai oti kai stoys
dyo to z-index twn select elements einai panta megalytero apo ola ta
ypoloipa elements... and you care! telos pantwn...

> Nai, I'm a Bastard, Pedantic Purist.

oxi, exeis apolyto dikaio.

> Makari na htan etsi kai oloi oi web designers.

gia basta omws! Ayto to oloi einai too much... px. to *oloi* oi sysAdmins
den soy akoygetai kapws? Yparxoyn kai sysAdmins se nt, yparxoyn kai
sysAdmins se *nix, yparxoyn kai sysAdmins me yast kai linuxconf, yparxoyn
kai sysAdmins ANTRES!!! ;->

> Oso ksexname oti h leitourgikothta ths HTML 8a'prepe na einai ka8ara
> -*YPOBOH8HTIKH*- ths emfanishs toy periballontos keimenou, kai oxi
> -*KA8ODHGHTIKH*- ths, oso perissotero apomakrynomaste apo thn sxediastikh
ths
> filosofia, toso perissotero katadikazomaste na eisagoume stoixeia poy sthn
> pragmatikothta anhkoyn se Page Description Languages, katalhgontas telika
se
> ena ektrwma - deite ti exei symbei. Ola ta asymbatibilities, kai oi
> perissoteres 'adynamies' toy web design, phgazoyn apo thn agnoia - h thn
> systhmatika h8elhmenh a8ethsh - ayths ths arxhs.

to problhma opws synh8ws einai h pragmatikothta... kai h pragmatikothta ayth
th stigmh einai to in.gr, to flash.gr,  ktl, crammed kai dyskoilia sites me
overload plhroforias apo th mia, apo thn allh ta flash only sites kai
eseis me ta 28.8k ante koyrefteite kai sth mesh kati site poy einai toso
adiafora poy protimas na fas sth mapa kapoio apo ta prohgoymena... me
lampres e3aireseis community sites poy einai genika mprosta kai mporoyn na
syndiazoyn to context me kati parapanw apo ena aplo conversion enos .gs se
.html.

Esy ws project manager se mia analogh etaireia, an er8ei kapoios kai zhthsei
<sic>oyena soyait wsan oyayto toy oyiin.tziar tzier'm 8elw</sic> 8a
prospa8hseis na toy e3hghseis to parapanw? (Poso mallon an eisai ypallhlos)

xmmm... twra poy to skeftomai esy isws kai na to ekanes. se anti8esh me ton
romantiko djart, esy eisai o evangelist... :-)

> Proswpika pisteyw pws prin epitrapei se kapoion na grapsei - h na
> xrhsimopoihsei otidhpote poy grafei - se arxeio to <html> tag, prepei na
ton
> baloun na diabazei mexri na ma8ei apeksw ta articles toy Tim Berners Lee
kai
> allwn sto http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/.  Ystera, thn prwth fora poy 8a
paei
> na xwsei kanena <frame> tag sth selida, ton bazeis na ta ksanadiabasei
allo
> toso.

h kataskeyh enos site pernaei apo polla processing stages, h toylaxiston
etsi 8a eprepe na ginetai. O designer den kanei tipote allo ektos toy
layout. An to kanei omorfo den mas peirazei an exei la8os html giati emeis
8a thn prosarmosoyme afoy milame gia mia selida. 8a paroyme ton kwdika, 8a
ftia3oyme ta la8akia toy, 8a thn spasoyme se includes kai meta 8a tis
klwnopoioyme mexri na katakthsoyn ton kosmo. Twra an to eftia3e me
dreamweaver, frontpage, homesite, vi, h xara3e ta bits epanw ston disko
posos me endiaferei...

to ti ginetai tis perissoteres periptwseis omws??? see below.

> Enas zwgrafos (tyxaio paradeigma) prepei na mporei na sou pei pws akribws
> 'leitourgei' mia texnikh h ena styl poy xrhsimopoiei, giati to kanei, kai
se ti
> apotelesma prosdokei na katalhksei kanontas to.
>
> Posoi "web designers" mporoyn na anoiksoyn ena .html arxeio kai na
katalaboyn
> ti symbainei ekei mesa?

eixa dei mia aggelia poy zhtoyse epile3h:

"web designer, developer, flash authoring, Network Administration, me
gnwseis se security, aristh gnwsh toy dreamweaver kai toy photoshop"

oyte kan html den zhtoysan...alh8eia... tis ptaiei???

o kahmenoylhs poy 8a paei, o ________ poy zhtaei kati tetoio, h o kahmenos o
pelaths poy 8a katalh3ei me mia selida san to mwro ths rosmary?

> --
> Christos Ricudis

kai oxi den se glyfw gia na 3exwrisw ws newbie (dokimasmeno usenet trick
;-), apla s' aresoyn oi monty pythons... s' ayto ton mperdemeno kosmo tetoia
pragmata mas boh8ane na antilambanomaste tis pro8eseis kai thn dia8esh...