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Giorgos Keramidas keramida at ceid.upatras.gr
Wed Jun 21 00:53:59 EEST 2000 

% Akolouthei makroskelis apantisi se prosopiko gramma tou Magkafa Hari,
% pou eniwse oti ton proseballe to prongoumeno public gramma mou.
% Pisteuo oti aksizei na fainetai sta archives ths listas, mazi me tin
% arxiki mou apantisi, pou stal8nke omologoumenws 'en brasmw psuxns'.
%
%	Giorgos Keramidas, <keramida at ceid.upatras.gr>

On Sun, Jun 18, 2000 at 02:29:08PM -0700, Magkafas Haris wrote:
> oriste ti apantises stin erotisi moy, mporei na rotao kai blakeies
> omos den exo kamia sxesh me to linux kai prospatho na katalabo ti
> ginete. an den mporeis na boithiseis pes moy kamia dieythinsh poy na
> katatopizei enan teleios arxareio xristi linux poy den xerei tipota.

Ok, dekton.. eisai arxarios.  Den me xalaei na einai kaneis arxarios.
To antitheto malista.  Xairomai na blepo atoma pou ontws theloun na
mathoun kai prospathoun eilikrina gi auto.  Oxi oti ego ta jero ola,
alla h prospatheia einai kati pou den mathainetai, kataktietai.

> Fotis Georgatos wrote:
> eleos.

To oti ekanes ton Foti na aganakthsei, kai na steilei to mail stin
lista, prepei hdh na shmainei kati.  Mallon kati den phgaine kala apo
tin arxi :-)

Anyway, as sunexiso na deis giati esteila to mail asteieuomenos.
Alla prota, parakalo, thermoparakalo mallon, kane to mailer sou na min
kanei toso athlia wrap ta mail pou kaneis quote.  Des ena apospasma, apo
to quote pou eixes kanei:

>>> --- Magkafas Haris <harmag at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> afoy katebaso ton pirina ti prepei na kano gia
>> na trexei esto kai

Entelos jafnika, ta emfoliasmena ">" apo tessera, pesane sta duo, gia
*kapoio* periergo logo.  Min me rotiseis giati, afou den jero kai den
thelo na matho en telei poio programma xrhsimopoieis gia mailer.
Apla ftiaksto na kanei kapos kalutera to wrapping... parakalo?

As doume olo to mail sou omws kai giati emeina apla ekthambos apo to
poso agnoia eixes tis diadikasias egkatastashs, kai to poso keno se
plhroforia pou na mporouse na bon8nsei ki emas sto va katalaboume ti
epathes htan to mail sou.

Pragmatika den perimeneis na se bon8nsei kaneis an prota den tou doseis
me aplo kai katavonto tropo na katalabei ta ejhs:

  * Ti itheles arxika na kaneis.
  * Pos prospathises na to kaneis.
  * Ti htan auto pou den phge kala.

Tria apla bhmata, pou sigoura tha me thymitheis an ta akolou8hseis :)

As paroume to mail apo tin arxi omws.  Auti ti fora me to swsto nesting
level sta emfoliasmena ">" pou to eftiaksa ego ME TO XERI, se euxaristo
pou to ektimas.

> --- Magkafas Haris <harmag at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> afoy katebaso ton pirina ti prepei na kano gia na trexei esto kai
> tipikotita to linux.

Profanos ennoeis oti katebases to kernel sou linux se morfh phgaiou
kwdika.  Ekeino to linux-2.2.10.tar.gz h kapos etsi telos pantwn...

Auto den mporeis na to egkatasthseis stu sustnma sou kai na doulepsoun
jafnika, ola.  Mporeis omws *afou* exeis egkatasthsei ena linux sustnma
na to xrhsimopoihseis gia na anaba8miseis tin ekdosi tou pirina sou.

> katebazo pirina se zip to kano unzip bazo mono to arxeio toy pirina
> sto skliro kai parola ayta bgenei to gnosto minima disk boot fail kai
> ta loipa ti prepei na kano? eyxaristo ekton proteron xarhs.

Loipon, as ta paroume apo tin arxi.

Katebases to zip opws to les tou purnva.  Prwto problima tora.  To linux
kernel, apo oso jero dnladn, *den* bgainei se .zip morfh.  Bgainei omws
se .tar.gz pou einai kati antistoixo me to ZIP format twn ergaleiwn pou
briskei kaneis se Windows.

Deutero problima.  Ante kai to katebases.  To esoses kapou sto disko
sou.  Se ti meros tou diskou to eixes balei?  Se kapoio Windows
partition pou etuxe na exeis?

Trito problima.  Omorfaaaa.  Theleis na baleis linux.  Mipos (leme tora)
tha itan protimotero na psakseis prin baleis auto to teras sto PC sou?
San "ti einai auto to Linux gamoto?", h "giati na to balo ego sto diko
mou, zoumpourloudiko, kalostnmeno PC?"

An epsaxnes ligo sto web, rotouses kapoio linuxa filo sou, ekanes mia
bolta apo ton Papasotiriou ths geitonias... an to *epsaxnes* telos
pantwn ligo prin to baleis sto PC sou auto to "pragma".  Tote file mou,
tha hjeres ta ejhs liga kai apla pragmata:

  * Linux einai to "kernel" pou bgazei o Linus Torvalds, mazi me
    kapoious alla palaba paidakia.

  * Auto to pragma omws, den douleuetai apo mono tou.  Thelei ena karo
    sunodeutika pragmata, gia na deis esu ena "olokliromeno susthma"
    mprosta sou otan anoikseis to PC sou.

  * Yparxoun kapoioi alloi palaboi pou pernoun to kernel pou bganei o
    Torvalds, ta kaloudia pou exei grapsei o Stallman ki h Free Software
    Foundation tou, ta programmata pou poulane kamposes etaireies pou
    grafoun ta programmata tous kai gia Linux, klp. klp. kai afou ta
    paketaroun ola auta me omorfo tropo, to onomazoun auto ena
    "distribution"

  * Kathe distribution tora einai arketo gia na "sthseis" esu ena
    susthma plhrws, sinithos me kapoio grafiko periballon, me diafora
    ergaleia pou mallon stin arxi sou fainontai axrhsta (opws p.x. ena
    olokliro mail server sou bazoun sinithos oi atimoi, les ki esu
    skotisthkes na settareis olokliro mail server gia na steileis ena
    mail stin linux-greek-users pou na rotas pos na baleis ellhnika
    sto linux sou, h pos tha mpeis sto internet me to Kppp -- ta
    paradeigmata einai tuxaia kai oudemia sxesh exoun me pragmatika
    proswpa h pragmata, opoiadnpote sumptosi o suggrafeas tin arneitai
    kathgorimatika).

  * Kathe distribution erxetai epishs me (akouson akouson), ena olokliro
    biblio me odhgies xrhshs, ena cdrom toulaxiston me ta programmata
    pou tha egkatasthseis, kai skepsou tora.. kai to Documentation
    tou Linux, olo dwrean, xoris esu na plironeis tin Microsoft Press
    gamhsiatika pou einai to onoma ths Microsoft Katitis!

Twra tha mou peis, "Ejupnos eimai re malaka.  to katalaba oti prepei na
paro kapoio distribution kai na stiso etsi to linux, min mas prizeis
tora xameno".  Kai tha exeis kai dikio...  Alla ego den tha sou pw poio
apo ta distribution na baleis, apla ena tropo pou na breis plhrofories
gia to kathena, na diabaseis tin perigrafi tous, na dialekseis ena pou
isws sou aresei, isws oxi, na to petakseis se ena mnva kai na pareis
kati allo, na to psakseis re aderfe to thema, na deis tin omorfia tou
pragmatos...

An sou doso ena etoimo sthmeno linux, kai sou po "paikse tora" den tha
sou aresei.  H omorfia tou Linux einai sto na mporeis esu na to sthseis
opws theleis, na tou baleis akribws ta programmata pou theleis, na tou
allakseis ta fota sto paixnidi, kai na megaloseis ki esu mazi tou, na
deis giati epitelous poronontai auta ta xaza kai mou ti lene epeidi den
hjera tin tufla mou dnladn (sssiga, gennithike kaneis pantognostis?).

Alla pano apo ola.
Na gineis kaluteros apo mena mpre.
Na matheis perissotera apo osa ksero.
Kai na er8eis ena omorfo prwi kai na mou peis.

"Parta re!  Tora mporo aneta na stin lew, giati pia den eimai asxetos,
opws eleges esu prota.  Tora jerw.. Jerw.. JERW!  Kai den se exo anagki
na sthso to linux mou.  JERO NA TO FTIAKSO OPWS THELO EGO!  Xaze :p"

                           -- TELOS --

Nai, jero den eipa pou na breis ta distributions.
Jekina kai psaxne sta ejhs sites:

	http://www.linux.org/

	http://www.lwn.net/

Kai pistepse me, den tha paei katholou diabasma xameno.

-- 
Giorgos Keramidas, <keramida at ceid.upatras.gr>
"In the name of the Unix, the Sun, and the BSD Spirit."

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