Fs και πυρήνες 2.2.8 και άνω

[Panagiotis Tsakiris]

Panagiotis Tsakiris wrote:

> I.Ioannou wrote:
>
>> Ti to kanane 2.2.x , den to afhnane 2.1.x afou akomi developers
>> einai.
>> Egw lew stay with 3.0.36 :-)
>
> Και που είσαι ακόμα. Πάρτε και κάτι ακόμα που έχει θέμα τη σταθερότητα
> για να δείτε :
>
> > Linus waited a few months to open the 2.3 branch. A lot of untested
> > patches were making it into the 2.2 series! People like me breathed
> a sigh
>
> Only one I can think of is the 2.2.8 fiasco and I agree with that was
> a bit
> premature.
>
> > But that was only half right. Linus decided to hasten the release of
> 2.4
> > to "in the fall", and all of the developers jumped onto the 2.3
> kernel,
> > leaving us with a stable kernel which is totally inadequate.
>
> 2.2.7 ο σταθερότερος πυρήνας. Από εκεί και μετά το ΧΑΟΣ. Σε  άλλο mail
> λέει ότι η μ.........α που έκαναν με τον 2.2.8 ίσως στοιχίσει τη
> σταθερότητα των επόμενων 7 - 10 πυρήνων.
>
> Τώρα καλή όρεξη :-)  (σας την έκοψα έ! και πάτε όλοι να βρήτε που
> χώσατε των 2.2.7 :->
>
> Παναγιώτης

Και επειδή σήμερα έχω τις μαύρες μου :-) (επειδή έφαγα 4 crash bugs από
τον 2.3.8 και δεν κατάφερα να σημειώσω κανένα επειδή το Crash Task ήταν
κολοσιαίο και δεν βρήσκω πουθενά σε κανένα log τα bugs) και θέλω να σας
χαλάω τη μέρα πάρτε να έχετε μερικά μηνύματα εκ τον οποίων το ένα είναι
από τον ίδιο τον Linus.


"Rene Chaddock wrote:

> For whats its worth, I agree 2.2.x it way too unstable. I wouldn't
> recommend anybody switch to it as it stands now.
>
> I've not had huge problems, mostly sound problems (which I am hoping
> to
> look into as part of my first dip into kernel 'hacking') and a single
> complete hang in X, but from reading the list and seeing the file
> corruption 'reading beyond end of device' errors people have had in
> 2.2.10, I fell that something has gone wrong in the development
> process.
>
> The scary thing is that the 2.3 codebase is branched off the
> relatively
> unstable 2.2 codebase, so 2.4 will have the bugs introduced in 2.3,
> AND
> ones from 2.2 that didn't/may not get fixed.
>
> I really don't care about NT and FUD, but I would like to see things
> going
> more in the direction of the 2.0.x kernels in terms of stability.
>
> I don't think its proper to draw attention away from the 2.2.10
> problems
> with a comment as to how it is still maturing - Sure 2.0.x took 37
> iterations to become 'fully' stable, but its troubling that there is
> so
> much concern about the 2.3.x file corruption, and nothing about the
> 2.2.x
> corruption (even though I personally don't experience it).
>
> Fall isn't that far away, and I would really like to feel more
> confident
> in the 2.2 kernel I'm running now before switching to the bigger and
> better 2.4 :P
>
> :( My two cents, anyway. I've been concerned for a bit, but don't
> consider
> myself talented enough programmer to actively do anything about it
> (I'm
> still learning...)
>
> Sincerely,
> Rene
>
> On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
>
> > Linux 2.2.36 was a very stable kernel. I have never experianced a
> crash
> > with it. However, this does not at all hold true for the 2.2.x
> series.
> >
> > During the initial stage of the 2.2 series, it was pretty darn
> stable. I
> > got about 60 days of uptime out of 2.2.1 until a power failure or a
> need
> > to mess with hardware or something. (Actually, now I think it was a
> hard
> > lockup). Back then we knew that 2.2 was not at all as stable as
> 2.0.36,
> > but we knew it would mature.
> >
> > WRONG!
> >
> > Linus waited a few months to open the 2.3 branch. A lot of untested
> > patches were making it into the 2.2 series! People like me breathed
> a sigh
> > of relief when Linus opened up the 2.3 branch. Now we knew that all
> of the
> > patches would go into 2.3 and 2.2 would become mature and stable
> like
> > 2.0.36
> >
> > But that was only half right. Linus decided to hasten the release of
> 2.4
> > to "in the fall", and all of the developers jumped onto the 2.3
> kernel,
> > leaving us with a stable kernel which is totally inadequate.
> >
> > 2.2.10 is by far less stable than any operating system I have used
> > excuding MacOS. During the past _week_ I have had three oopsen using
>
> > kernel 2.2.9 and 2.2.10. I have never had an oops before this week
> with
> > the exception of Linux on platforms where the ports are excusabe
> immature
> > and on unstable hardware. Once I found a small bug with a friend in
> 2.0.x
> > that caused an oops but it wasn't anything major. It was fixed
> > immediately.
> >
> > All the attention has shifted to 2.3. Most people as well as
> benchmarkers
> > are using 2.2.10. Helloo??? This is a perfect time for Microsoft to
> spread
> > FUD since the "stable" branch of Linux is far less stable than even
> > Windows NT. THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR LINUX OR THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT!
> Something
> > needs to be done about this fast. I reccomend that 2.2.10 be made
> rock
> > solid. Most features and new device drivers can wait until fall with
> 2.4.
> > Of course, 2.4 should be made and kept very stable as a 2.5 or 2.9
> is
> > opened up immediately.
> >
> > I hate to bitch about stuff like this but if I were to try to write
> kernel
> > code I would probably just add more fatal bugs :).
> >
> > Maybe Alan Cox should voulenteer to maintain 2.2 :). He did a great
> job
> > with 2.0.
> >
> > And all kernel hackers out there, PLEASE help make 2.2 more stable.
> >
> > Speed is a problem that has been dealt with a lot lately, due to the
>
> > numerous benchmarks. I believe that this is also a priority, but
> > secondary to stability, at least at this level of instability.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.

Πάρτε και αυτό που είναι του Linus

Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Right now the problem is (a) lack of good data and (b) the fact that
> there
> were very few changes between 2.2.7 (which many claim is stable) and
> 2.2.9
> (which many claim is broken). The major changes were actually just
> reverts
> of 2.2.8 (which _was_ badly broken due to fs) - the majority by far is
>
> actually ARM, Sparc, PPC and alpha merges..
>
> SMP?
>
> MTRR enabled?
>
> gcc version?
>
> Quotas?
>
>                 Linus
>

Όλα αυτά τα μηνύματα (με αλλα 10 -12 απο χθες με το ίδιο θέμα) καθώς και
καμμιά 20 για διάφορα bugs έπεσαν απόψε (αρκετά για τον 2.2.10). Και που
είστε ακόμα. Εχει γίνει χαμός με τα bugs λες και χτύπησε ιός. :->
Φαίνεται ότι σας χάλασα τη μέρα για τα καλά :-{) χε! χε! χε!

Παναγιώτης




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