Peri reboot kai fasarias

Christos Ricudis ricudis at paiko.gr
Fri Jul 23 03:54:31 EEST 1999


Hello Linux-greek-users!

  On 23 Jul 99, Linux-greek-users wrote to All with subject "Re: Peri reboot
kai fasarias":

 >> Na kseka8arisw kati. Den exw tipote enantion twn arxariwn, kai
 >> den exw tipote enantion oswn kanoyn la8h. (kai sthn 
 >> pragmatikothta psiloanexomai kai aytous poy eksakoloy8oun na 
 >> kanoyn la8h ki otan den einai pleon arxarioi, estw ki an synh8ws 
 >> deixnw to anti8eto).

 L> Edw ofeileis na paradexteis oti eimaste an8rwpoi kai einai fysiko
 L> na kanoume la8h.

Den arnoumai ta la8h. Arnoymai thn arnhsh toy na ma8eis apo ayta. 

 L> Allwste to trial-error den einai auto pou ma8ainoume prwta prwta
 L> w me8odo programmatismou?

To trial and error den einai swsth me8odos programmatismoy. To analyze - design
- search - implement einai. An KSEREIS ek twn proterwn ti kaneis, apofeygeis ta
la8h. An par'ola ayta ta kaneis, dokimazeis kati allo. 

Den lew oti egw den to ekana pote - sthn pragmatikothta to kanw poly syxna.
Aplws exw epignwsh toy oti den einai h swsth me8odologia. 

 L> egkefalou, kati pou vlepoume na efarmozetai kai sta Nevrwnika Dyktia, 
 L> ws tropos ekma8ishs (mi-apolytos-logikos).

Ta neyrwnika diktya toylaxiston otan 8a toys parousiaseis gia deyterh fora ena
pattern, 8a teinoyn estw kai sto elaxisto pros to epi8ymhto response (oso den
ta kaneis overtrain). Enw kati symmetexontes ths listas den prokeitai na ma8oyn
pente apla basika pragmata akoma ki an toys ta xtyphseis sto kefali gia
xiliosth fora :>. (allh mia apodeiksh toy oti ta neyrwnika diktya einai
apotyxhmena ws montela ths an8rwpinhs nohshs :>)

 >> Exw omws polla enantiwn kati tsoglaniwn poy nomizoyn oti exoyn
 >> to dikaiwma na xwnoyn th myth toys se mhxanhmata poy den einai 
 >> dika toys. 

 L> A, min to les...Polloi apo tous kalyterous Security Professionals
 L> ston kosmo arxisan kanontas akrivws auto. 

Se prokalw na moy onomaseis *ENAN*. 

Ki epeidh de mporeis, na sou pw kati pio aplo. Poios apo olous aytoys stous
opoious anaferomai einai ikanos na "dei" to pragmatiko design flaw pisw apo ena
security problem? - na dei thn aitia kai oxi to symptwma? 

Poios ekatse pote na skeftei tis sxediastikes arxes kai th filosofia enos
systhmatos kai na proteinei lyseis enarmonismenes m'aythn? 

Poios ekatse pote na diabasei ena sxetiko biblio panw se 8emata asfaleias? Kata
protimhsh 8ewrhtiko? (kai na to katalabei?)

Poios eide pote thn asfaleia genikotera mesa sto plaisio twn anagkwn enos 
mhxanografikou ergou kai oxi aplws kai mono ws ylopoihseis leptomereiwn? 

Poios ekatse pote na zygisei thn asfaleia me to pragmatiko ths eidiko baros
mesa se oles tis parametrous leitourgias mias mhxanografikhs epixeirhshs
(leitoyrgikothta, kostos, apodosh, xronos ylopoihshs, synthrhsh)? 

Egw toylaxiston den kserw kanenan. 

 L> Edw 8a i8ela na pw to eksis. Hacker den einai autos pou mpainei
 L> paranoma se systhmata, akoma kai an o apwteros skopos tou einai 
 L> h gnwsh. 

An o apwtatos skopos toy htan h gnwsh, 8a ka8otan na diabasei. (oxi documents
mias selidas grammena apo idious san ki ayton, alla biblia, papers, meletes,
standards). 

Parte to xampari, rolo paizei to attitude - oxi h empeiria. An exeis sto
xarakthra sou to na kaneis kalo stoys allous, 8a xrhsimopoihseis thn empeiria
kai th gnwsh sou gia na to kaneis, kai 8a apokthseis akomh perissoterh gnwsh
kai empeiria xwris pote na xreiastei na kaneis kako. Alliws o,ti gnwsh kai o,
ti empeiria kai na'xeis, 8a nomizeis oti eisai eksypnos kai ataksikos kai
eley8eros, alla ap'oti blepw 8a eisai akoma enas gamhmenos xwriaths. ((c) JOhn
Lennon). 

 L> Auto pou 8ymamai apo auta pou diavaza palia einai
 L> oti hacker legetai autos pou lynei ena provlima pou tou vazoune

Me eides na xrhsimopoiw poy8ena ton oro "hacker" s'ayto to thread? 

--
Christos Ricudis
I am a target. Please bomb me at N40 33.765' E22 55.130' Alt. 69ft
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