....Debian & RPM

[Pavlos Parissis]

Hello all,
Epanerxomai meta apo 2 meres apoxhs apo to thread.
Katarxhn ma pw pws to thread ekselixthike kai egine  poly enhmerwtiko
kai endiaferwn pou edwse arketes plhrofories.

Ena apo themata pou anferthikan htan kai o arithmos to programatwn pou
erxontai mazi me thn Distribution. Me ton arithmo pou edwse o Vasilis
ksekatharisan ta pragmata oti h Debian exei ta perissotera ,prwsopika
molis eida 2500 emeina me to stoma anoixto.

O Vasilis alla kai o Night aneferan pws to Debian den einai kai toso
efkolo gia enan neo user kai prwtarh sto Linux. Tha hthela na mathw se
poia shmeia o neos user tha antimetophsh provlhmata logou xarh sto
setup, sto genikotero sthsimo tou systhmatos, sto gegonos oti gia na
kanei tis diafores doulies tha xreiasth na palepsei perissotero apo oti
an tis ekane se allo Distribution kai telos sto na mporei na diathrh se
kalh katastash to systhma kai ta opoia tyxwn provlhmata na ta lynh
grhgora.
Gia paradhgma egw pou trexw linux 6 mhnes twra pou tha mporousa na
antimetopisw provlhma pou sto redhat den antimetopizw?

Epipleon tha mou epitrepseis Night na diafonisw se afto pou eipes oti
"afou mexri tora pola krivontousan pisw apo menus,mistiria scripts".
Egw den exw pesei panw se kamia krypsona, mexri twra toulaxiston.
Oti mporw na kanw mesa apo to linuxconf to kanw kai apo console commands
kai vi px dokimasa na alaksw to onoma tou pc mou kai apw control-panel
alla me ton vi akoma dhmiourgw background doulies kai me crontab -e alla
kai apo linuxconf.
To idio ekana gia na termatisw to fortoma enos daemon phga kai linuxconf
alla kai me to vi pou evala ena exit 0 sthn arxh tou file.
Mou fenete arketa dyskolo na apotrepseis apo ton xrhsth tou linux ton
elegxo tou systhmatos.
Oti yparxei se configuration mesw X mporei na ginei kai xwris afta, apla
prosferei kai ena epipleon enalaktiko tropo allaghs tou systhmatos.
Allwste ta panta einai anoikta kai to source ton exeis dipla sou, ama
ksereis apo porgraming kaneis diafora:).

Sxetika me rpm,
anafera sto 1 mail mou  metaksi allwn oti to rpm exei kai kyndinous kai
mallon pareksixithika kai mporei merikoi na nomizoun pws me to rpm
kaneis zhmia!.
Egw anaferomoun sthn periptwseis ekeines pou dineis --nodeps --force se
lathos
faseis kai stis periptwseis pou ftiaxneis-pirazeis ta spec file twn
source.
Den xreiazete na pw kati gia --nodeps kai --force oloi kseroume pws ta
doulevoume mono ean prepei kai ean kseroume ton logo kai oxi se kathe
message pou pernoume na dinoume kai --force kai --nodeps.
Kai Giannh den xreiazete na exeis idikies gnwseis gia na to katalaveis
afto,
egw kai o kathe linuxas to manual diavasan kai oxi kanena biblio gia na
to katalavoun:)

Gia to piragma twn spec ta pragmata allazoun kai ginontai pio sovara.
Xrysos kanonas pou exw mathei mexri twra,
OTAN PIRAZEIS SPEC KANE REBUILD SAN USER OXI SAN ROOT.
Eftyxos den xreiastike na thn mpathw gia na to mathw, mou to eipe enas
packager:)xixixi
Ti mporeis na patheis ean exeis kanei allages se ena spec kai kaneis
build san root E? To pio klasiko einai ta permissions, Requires file kai
ta dependencies.
Poly kanoun lathoi kai ftiaxnoun to rpm na trexei fenomenika mono me
kapies libs pou exoun aftoi sto systhma tous enw den einai apretites gia
ti treksimo twn paketwn, eidika me tis version ginete enas psilo xamos.
Afto to epatha me to licq pou elege oti thelei libstdc++2.9 kai egw eixa
2.8. kai telika to trexw me 2.8 xwris provlhma.
Kati analogo mporei na egine sthn periptvsh sou Giannh me to gnome pou
sou elege oti hthele to E.
Ta osa provlimata pou anaferthikan prohlthan  kata 70% apo lathous
xeirismous kai oxi apo lathos energeies pou ekane to rpm.
To allo pososto to moirazontai oi packager twn paketwn alla kai to idio
to rpm.
Edw tha mporouse o Vasilis na pei oti "ma gia afto yparxei to Debian
Policy pou apotrepei tous packagers na kanoun lathoi".
Kai tha exei dikio giati ean yphrxe kati analogo sto rpm polla
provlhmata den tha yphrxan.

Profanos to dpkg exei ftiaxthei me megalyterh prosoxh me apotelesma na
apotrepei perierga lathoi.


Telos san lew pws den eimai kanenas erthermos ypostirikths tou rpm kai
oute kanenos allou systhmatos packaging afta pou garfw einai aples idees
kai apopseis pou mporei na exei o kathe linuxas.


Pavlos



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while i have the sensation of speed

The Surfer of Life
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