Yposthriksh Ellhnikwn

[Christos Kloukinas]

Epanerxomai, gia na dieukrinisw orismena shmeia...

 R> ricudis at paiko.gr (Christos Ricudis) wrote on Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:12:00
 R> Subject: Re: Yposthriksh Ellhnikwn
 R> 
 R> Hello Linux-greek-users!
 R> 
 R> Linux-greek-users wrote to All about "Yposthriksh Ellhnikwn":
	(Christos Kloukinas - I -  wrote it on Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:13:02 +0300)
 R> 
 R>  L>  Mhpws, loipon 8a aksize na tou riksete mia matia; Ektos ths
 R>  L> uposthrikshs pou parexei sth glwssa mas, perilambanei kai merika
 R>  L> fobera upoprogrammata gia diaxeirish mail (me encryption,klp), 
 R>  L> gia news, gia www serfing, kai xilia duo alla. 
 R> 
 R> Nai, basika to mono pragma poy den exei o Eighteen Megabytes And
 R> Constantly Swapping editor einai enas kernel. An kai den exw kammia
 R> amfibolia oti kapoia mera kapoios 8a katsei kai 8a toy ftiaksei
 R> enan. Etsi 8a mporesoyme epitelous na petaksoume to unix, poy ws
 R> gnwston xrhsimeyei mono gia na kaneis boot kai na trexeis ton
 R> emacs. Ola ta alla mporeis na ta kaneis apo ekei.
 R> 

Exete skeftei pote pou 'poulame' to Linux; An den kanw la8os, to
poulame se xrhstes twn M$-Windoze. Oi xrhstes autoi, loipon, exoun
sunh8isei se editors opws autos ths Borland C++ px pou kanoun
highlight kai xrwmatizoun ta keywords. Exoun sunh8isei (kai
ekstasiazontai) me texnologies opws auth ths Lotus pou leei oti o
word-processor ths sundeetai me diafora 'modules' gia na ektelesei
leitourgies opws sxediash charts, klp. Exoun sunh8isei na
xrhsimopoioun to pontikaki tous, me ta menu tou editor tous, na exoun
ellhnika, kai otan ksekina o editor na mporoun na grapsoun _ap' eu8eias_
kai an 8eloun na xrhsimopoihsoun kai kanena shortcut, tupou C-f, C-s,
klp gia pio grhgora. Epishs, 8eloun na anoigoun ki alla para8ura mesa
apo ton editor, dixws na trexoun pali apo thn arxh ka8e fora to word.

Auta ola ti sas 8umizoun esas; Vi; 'H mhpws Emacs; Einai o deuteros
polu pio konta sto user interface pou exoun sunh8isei oi an8rwpoi pou
basanizontai auth th stigmh me ta ana8ematismena Win, 'h einai h idea
mou; An nai, mhpws 8a eprepe na prow8hsoume auton ws 'standard' editor
gia na psarepsoume perissoterous;

<M-x flame-mode>
Telos, h olh fasaria me to Linux den einai oti mas parexei thn
dunatothta na to parametropoioume, na tou pros8etoume pragmata, klp;
Giati na mh zhtame to idio kai apo ton editor mas; Prepei nte kai kala
na xrhsimopoioume to Vi epeidh me auton ksekinhse to Unix; Eime8a
sobaroi; An htan etsi, den 8a eprepe na xrhsimopoioume oute ton dbx/gdb
'h allous source level debuggers, alla mono ton alh8ino adb. Autos
einai debugger gia macho programmers, oxi o allos pou sou deixnei kai
pou briskesai sto programma sou sto source file. Alla ta X; Ti ahdies
einai autes; Eixe tetoies xazomares to Unix; Eixe tcsh (alh8eia, auto
ti editing commands xrhsimopoiei by default); Petakste oti den uphrxe
eksarxhs - source level debuggers, windowing systems, byte code
compilers (me lene Java) - kai as epistrepsoume ston ed kai sta
termatika dixws o8onh (me to output ston line printer).
<M-x flame-mode> (einai toggling mode, san to auto-fill-mode... ;)

 R>  L> tou - ka8oti to editing interface 8a einai to idio. Auto pisteuw
 R>  L> oti einai arketa shmantiko, idiws gia neous xrhstes (san ki autous
 R>  L> pou 8eloume na psarepsoume me thn ellhnikh distribution).
 R> 
 R> Basika to kalytero pragma poy mporeis na kaneis an 8eleis na kaneis
 R> ena neo xrhsth na sixa8ei to unix me to poy 8a to dei, einai na ton
 R> ka8hseis se ena vt320, na trekseis ton emacs, kai na ton afhseis mono
 R> toy.
 R> 
 R> Pente wres argotera mporeis na gyriseis kai na ton deis na prospa8ei
 R> akoma na bgei apo kei (xixixixix)
 R> 

Se osous Emaxen exw xrhsimopoihsei mexri twra, me to pou ksekinane
bgazoun ena wraio munhmataki tou tupou:
 Press C-x C-c to exit
 Press C-h t for a tutorial
 Press C-h i for info on Emacs
Kai alla tetoia. Strabos einai o upoti8emenos xrhsths pou ka8etai
mprosta sto vt; O Vi ti bgazei sthn antistoixh periptwsh; Ektos ki an
protou ton baloume na doulepsei me ton emacs, frontisoume na sbusoume
to munhma, tou desoume ta matia kai ton gurisoume kai kamia dekaria
fores sboura ton an8rwpo... Tote mallon to inetrface tou emacs 8a tou
fainotan dusxrhsto...

Oso gia thn anafora sto vt, fantazomai oti oloi 8a sumfwnhsoume pws
termatiko pou exei _hard-wired_ to C-s gia na kanei freeze to output,
exei sxediastei apo anegkefalous sadistes oi opoioi einai ths
kathgorias twn programmatistwn ths microsloth...

 R> (Pros apofyghn parekshghsewn : Moy aresei o emacs. Eidika aytos o
 R> kafes poy pshnei einai allo pragma bre paidi moy...)
 R> 
 R> Ciao,
 R>   Christos

Twra gia to kata poso h xrhsh tou Emacs 8a kanei to pc tou xrhsth na
sernetai, den mporw na to sxoliasw ka8oti den kserw ti eidous
mhxanhmata xrhsimopoiountai apo thn en Elladi Linux koinothta. An
uparxei toso megalo problhma, as xrhsimopoioun ton Vi.
Auth eksallou den einai kai h praktikh gia alla programmata opws
window managers sto Linux; Parexontai toso oi 'barioi' me ta polla
features, oso kai pio elafroi gia osous tous 8eloun/xreiazontai.

Gia na sunopsisw:
 O Emacs exei ellhnika, interface paromoio me auto twn editors sta
Windoze, einai parametropoihsimos opws kai to Linux, prosferei
pollapla para8ura, exei apeires alles dunatothtes pou o Vi eite den
mporei kan na tis oneireu8ei (editing of binaries, multiple
undo/redo), eite gia na tis ektelesei prepei na eisai Vi wizard, kai
xilies muries alles efarmoges oi opoies mporoun na leitourghsoun ws
'kraxtes' gia tous xrhstes twn Windoze.
 Gia na steiloume ta teleutaia ston kala8o twn axrhstwn mia gia panta,
8a xreiastoume na peisoume oti to Linux exei:
  i) kai kalo grafiko periballon (KDE pou moiazei me ta Win)
 ii) kai kalous editors (Emacs, ti allo; :)
iii) suites tupou office (StarOffice, to neo Corel paketo pou 8a einai
     se Java)
 iv) Ellhnika
  v) sundesimothta me Internet, browsers, servers
 vi) uposthriksh gia CD-RW, DVDs, MPEG, kai 'kataskeuh' (= antigrafh)
     audio CDs
vii) kai polu perissotera _epaggelmatika_ tools (LaTeX, good scripting
     languages, etc)

En oligois, gia ka8e dunath xrhsh enos PC 8a prepei na pei8oume oti to
Linux exei na prosferei, an oxi kati parapanw, toulaxiston ta idia me ta
Windoze.

Ama diafhmizoume ta dusxrhsta tmhmata (vi, text terminals, shells,
awk, to oti suxna prepei oi xrhstes na kanoun compile ta programmata
oi idioi klp) paei, to xasame to paixnidi... 8a mas faei zwntanous o
Billis. Kai osoi apo emas katalhksoume na zoume apo ta programmata pou
grafoume, 8a katariomaste thn wra kai th stigmh pou ta Windoze
kurieusan ton kosmo.

Sumperasma: Opoios kathgorei ton Emacs einai uphreths tou diabolou!!!
 (Einai gnwston oti "Vi Vi Vi: the editor of the Beast!!!" :)

Xos

Y.G. Fusika, pou8ena sta anwterw den isxurizomai oti o Vi einai
     axrhstos kai den prepei na ton ma8ainei kaneis. Exei ki autos th
     xrhsimothta tou.
     Gia tous ametanohtous :), rixte mia matia sta:
	Vi Lovers Home Page 
		http://www.cs.vu.nl/~tmgil/vi.html
	Vi versus Emacs Discussion Page 
		http://gmtunx.ee.uct.ac.za/~cherie/ViEmacs/viemacs.html

     Kai mias kai arxisame ta urls, rixte kai mia matia sto site auto:
	"The UNIX-Haters Handbook" WWW Page
		http://www.research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html
     kai sugkekrimena, diabaste to keimeno pou uparxei sto link
     Preface:
		http://www.research.microsoft.com/~daniel/preface.html
     (Ama kapoios exei kataferei na brei to biblio, 8a me endiefere na
      mou pei pws tou fanhke.)
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