KATW TO VI!

[Giannis Galanomatis]

Costas wrote:

> Panos Katsaloulis wrote:
>
> > File Giannh, symfonw mazi sou 100% !!!!
> >
> > Ontws den goustarw kai toso poly th nootropia toy Linux (magkias merikes
> > fores na to pw;)
> > "koita na deis filara, ayto einai, an den to goustareis kylisou sto
> > bourko"
>
> An den goystareis filara, ftiaxto mono soy 'h allakse leitoyrgiko. Sampws oi commercial
> etairies soy lene tipota to diaforetiko? 'H mhpws aytos poy to eftiakse 6a prepei na
> ikanopoiei tis anagkes olwn mas?
>

Ma to Linux den einai commercial leitorugiko, den yparhei amfivolia oti to linux einai
kalytero. Alla den arkei na einai aplws kalytero se ena tomea, prepei na einai se
olous, an thelei na epizhsei. Twra h ekfrash "an den goustareis filara, ftiaxto mono sou
'h allaxe leitorgiko" den nomizw na timaei afton pou to leei, kai oute exei to dikaiwma
kapoios na thn pei, kai oute pistevw (thelw na mhn pistevw) oti ekfrazei thn
syndriptikh pleiopshfia tou kosmou tou linux. H nootropia tou "kopse ton laimo soy"
den anhkei se xwro synergasias kai allhloyposthrixhs opws einai to linux. An se mia
eley8erh koinwnia o ka8enas koitaei thn parth tou (h thn parth ths omadas tou)
tote einai katadikasmenh.

>
> > NAI! To Linux pasxei apo eykolia - kai opoios leei oti "h eykolia den
> > einai gia <<sobarous>> an9rwpous, pisteyw oti planatai iktra!!!!
>
> Dokimase to AIX 'h to HP-UX kai 6a katalaveis monos soy poso eykolo einai to Linux. Ektos
> vevaia kai an sygkrineis to Linux me ta Windows kai ta NT's opote vgazeis la6os
> symperasmata. Mallon exeis ksexasei oti milame gia Unix perivallon, kai oxi gia ton
> antikatastath twn OS's ths MS.
>

Etsi les? Egw nomizw oti ta vhmata proodou pou kanei to linux to exoune ferei se epipedo
iso kai merikes fores anwtero apo ta M$ proionta apo apopsh efkolias. Arkei na anaferw
apo proswpikh empireia thn efkolia ths egatastashs tou scsi controller mou. Sto linux
egatasta8hke amesws kai aftomata (fate skonh windozomaneis) enw sta windoze
eprepe na vrw drivers (priximo) kai na lysw *merika* conflicts pou parousiaze me thn
karta diktyou mou. Poso kairw me taleporhsan ta windoze? Gyrw stis 10 wres synolika.
To Linux? Oute pou eixa katalavei oti yphrxe provlhma. Vlepeis den leitourgouse
o nic enw leitourgouse o controller, opote den to eixa parathrhsei. Ftiaxthke me mia
aplh ry8mish sto BIOS (reset CMOS data h kati tetoio).
M'alla logia pistevw pws to linux exei ta arhidia gia na ginei to apolyto leitourgiko.
Kai kata thn gnwmh mou, to KDE den exei tipota na zhlepsei apo plevras filikothtas
apo ta win9x.

>
> > PREPEI
> > na einai eykolo oxi "gia na trabh3oume perissotero kosmo" (pou
> > ousiastika kaneis oute kan 9a plhsiaze an den eixe ore3h kai Iwbeia
> > ypomonh), alla GIA MAS TOUS IDIOUS!!!
>
> Prepei na einai sta6ero kai grhgoro panw apo ola. Ta ypoloipa opoios exei xrono kai
> oreksh ta ftiaxnei.
>

Ma afto kanoume. Prospathoume na peisoume mia merida programmatistwn gia
thn anagh yparxhs filikou perivallontos. Den erhetai se anti8esh me thn sta8erothta.
H nootropia oti to filiko einai asta8es anhkei ston kosmo ths M$.

>
> > Mia aplh erwthsh: se pio pososto xronou eisaste se ka9arh console kai se
> > poio se X?
> > Nai,xrhsimopoieite CLI, alla mesw xterm ('h antistoixwn). {ta
> > symperasmata dika sas}
>
> Egw 100% toy xronoy moy eimai se X (CDE). Ti shmainei dhladh ayto gia na katalavw? Giati
> apo oso kserw ta X yphrxan prin ta anakalypsei h Apple kai h MS.
>

Nomizw oti o filos mas rotouse an ektimas thn filikothta twn X.
An kai egw pistevw pws ta X einai filika. To command line einai poy prepei na
ginei filikotero.

>
> > Exw akousei apo aythn thn lista oti "ma den 9eloume an9rwpous sto Linux
> > pou na fobountai to plhktrologio". Ma, an htan etsi, ayto to (poly
> > petixymeno kata thn gnwmh mou) happening sth Stournara giati egine; Gia
> > na trabh3ei tous guru;;; Aytoi einai 'hdh xrhstes Linux. Kai giati mas
> > trexoun ta salia otan blepoume ena ar9ro pou e3ymnei to Linux ston eyry
> > kosmo;
>
> Metaksy toy guru kai aytoy poy fovatai to plhktrologio yparxoyn ekatommyria an6rwpoi kai
> egw eimai enas apo aytoys.

Kala, tropos tou legein... Alla o mesos xrhsths, oxi o anideos, einai aftos pou apotelei
thn kyria maza. Gia afton milame.

> Egw apo thn parapanw frash den vgazw symperasma oti den toys
> 6eloyme, eksalloy poioi eimaste emeis poy 6a poyme poios erxetai sto Linux kai poios oxi,
> alla oti aytos poy fovatai to plhktrologio den prokeitai na endiafer6ei gia Linux kai
> akoma kai an toy to dhksei kapoios den 6a katalavei th diafora.

E wraia. Afou den katalavainei thn diafora giati na mhn kanoume to Linux pio
efkolo kai na ton proselkysoume kai afton? Vevaia den tha voh8hsei sthn anaptyxh,
alla tha einai enas akoma linux xrhsths, pragma pou shmainei ayxhsh ths mazas
twn xrhstwn, pragma pou shmainei afxhsh tou sevasmou apo ta media kai panw ap' ola
afxhsh tou sevasmou apo tis etairies hardware kai software.

>
> > To Linux A3IZEI na diado9ei kai ayto mporei na ginei kanontas to pio
> > katanohto gia olous. An 9elei o advanced user as paizei me to vi, h
> > pleiopsifia as xrhsimopoiei kati pio aplo - etsi nomizw oti prepei.
>
> Na se rwthsw kai egw omws kati, poy moy exei meinei aporia. Posoys aploys xrhstes ksereis
> esy poy 6eloyn editor kai xrhsimopoioyn?

Osous exw gnwrisei. Ka8aro 100%.

> Giati aplos xrhsths kanei mia sygkekrimenh
> doyleia, den asxoleitai me scripts kai perl kai editors.

Lathos. Oi perissoteroi aploi xrhstes phran ypologisth epeidh tou entypwsiaze, kai
kata kanona asxolountan me tis ry8miseis tou systhmatos.

> O vi oyte kai emena moy aresei
> alla den amfivallw oti einai taxytatos akoma kai me aytes tis kompleksikes leitoyrgies
> poy exei. An ton ma6eis mia fora, grafeis poly pio grhgora apo oti me opoiondhpote allo
> editor.

Efere kaneis antirhsh se afto?

>
>
> Filika,
> Costas Barakitis
>

Mia parathrhsh mono. As hremisoun ta pnevmata. Kaneis den exei skopo
na katakrinei to linux kakoproeraita. Prospa8oume na entopisoume ta adynata
symeia tou wste na to velteiwsoume, oso borei o ka8enas.
Se kammia apolytws periptwsh den vrizoume ena programma pou exei ginei
me ton idrwta pollwn programmatistwn, pragma pou pi8anon nomizeis kai
antidras nomizwntas oti eirwnevomaste thn douleia sou h allonwn.

giannis.

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