Re oust: Ta paidia apo thn Patra

[Christofer Karatzinis]

Hi,

   Paidia, iremia! To 0ema apo oti fainete exei ksefygei apo ka0e elegxo.

>
> >As ma8oyme kapote edw ellada, ti shmainei security, as ma8oyme kapote oti
> >to fthno to kreas ta skylia ta trwne (tyxarpastoi admins me mis8o 150.000
> >to mhna), as ma8oyme na analambanoyme tis ey8ynes mas
> 
> Den thelo na symmetasxo stin sizitisi pairnontas thesi (an kai exo apopsi
> kai arketa ksekathari malista), na sou po mono oti an esy bgeis stin agora
> kai breis kapoion na se proslabei os admin me pano apo 150-200 K to mina,
> na mas peis poios einai na pame kai emeis, etsi? Oti o admin pairnei 150 K
> to mina den simainei oti den xerei ti douleia you. Simainei oti i agora
> ergasias stin Ellada leitourgei kai se ayto opos kai se polla alla
> epaggelmata:
> 

   Prwta apo ola, kseka0ariste mesa sas ti einai o admin. Kai kseka0ariste
oti opws kapoioi einai trelamenoi me security, alloi einai trelamenoi me
alla pragmata (opws mailers, audio/video, OSes klp). Den mporw na
apaitisw egw apo olous, na allaksete oloi sas ta telnet/ftp/mail klp klp
etsi wste na katalabainoun to RTP protokolo epeidi to ema0a egw. To
security einai apla ena stoixeio apo to megalo synolo tou computer
science. Den simainei oti otan kapoios einai admin 0a PREPEI na kserei, na
endiaferete kai na einai trelamenos gia to security. Den simainei KAN oti
auti einai i douleia tou. H douleia tou einai para polla pragmata:
installation programmatwn, user support, mixanografisi tis epixeirisis
(para polles fores) kai xilies alles douleies ASXETES me security. Den
exei tin euxairia xronou pou exoun merikoi apo emas gia na diabazei
listes, na pernaei oli tin mera tou panw apo enan computer. Yparxei kai
real life an koitaksete eksw apo to para0yro panw apo tin o0oni tou
computer. 

   Kai bebaia, opws eipe o ricudis, ta swsta asfali systimata den
briskontai se apla unix/linux mixanimata. To na spazeis to unix tou enos
kai tou allou, einai paixnidakia gia mikra paidia. Alla akoma kai me
paixnidakia na 0elete na asxoleiste, den eida kamia apodeiksi oti kapoioi
apo emas einai ikanoi na kanoun kati parapanw apo lynx/netscape sto
www.rootshell.com. Ektos an eide kaneis sas e-mail stin bugtraq H' sto
phrack kai den to pira eidisi.

Christofer

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