From sbolis at freemail.gr  Tue Nov 14 15:12:33 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:12:33 +0200
Subject: [Lbw2007] FYI: [Fwd: [Lbw] ANNOUNCE: LBW2007 - Proposal - GREECE]
Message-ID: <4559C0C1.8000602@freemail.gr>

Apo thn kentrikh lista LBW.
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From sbolis at freemail.gr  Sun Dec 10 17:21:58 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:21:58 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Lbw2007] 1h synanthsh organwtikhs epitrophs LBW2007?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612101717200.22808@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>

thelw na kinhthoyme ligo giati sthn kentrikh lista 
( http://www.x31.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/lbw )

rwtane kapoioi oi opoioi den parakoloythoyn mail taktika ti exei ginei
kai enas apo aytoys anaferei pws nai men yparxei ypopshfiothta ths
Elladas alla kati exei akoysei kai gia th Gallia..

Opws kai na exei, skeftomoyn gia to website to MediaWiki epeidh exei th
dynatothta gia fwtorgafies kai keimena kai tha boroyme na sthsoyme
arketes toyristikes plhrofories.

Exete kamia allh idea? Mhpws na brethoyme kai na ta poyme apo konta?



From sbolis at freemail.gr  Mon Dec 11 16:02:06 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:02:06 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Lbw2007] [Lbw] LBW 2007
In-Reply-To: <200612111051.04591.Antony.Stone@lbw.open.source.it>
References: <457AC0B6.4030403@speakeasy.net>
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	<457D2FBA.3060207@operamail.com>
	<200612111051.04591.Antony.Stone@lbw.open.source.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612111538280.29622@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Antony Stone wrote:

> Those dates were never discussed this year, and therefore nobody has come up
> with anything like the proposal we had from Mary this time last year.
>
> I'm going to propose some dates which I hope are an effective compromise
> between feasibility in terms of people getting information, and practicality
> in terms of booking travel, time off work, and making local arrangements at
> the chosen venue.
>
> 1. Confirmation of intention to put forward a proposal: 
[..]
> 2. Outline proposal including location (name of town, not just a country) 
[..]
> 3. Full proposal including the hall/building to act as the centre of the
> travel: 
[..]
> 4. Vote if there is more than one complete and plausible proposal by the end
> of stage 3: 
>
> Please comment on the above suggestion, and please start getting some
> information together so that we have an LBW 2007!

Hi guys,

I'm writing this e-mail without preparing some of the stuff I wanted just to 
short things out. We, the Hellenic Linux Users Group (of which I'm the 
elected vice chairman) were more than happy to hear from Andy Fletcher the 
idea to have us organise next year's LBW.

I was under the impression that we were the only ones proposing something 
for LBW'07 that's why I didn't write anything sooner. To quote Andy's e-mail 
on Novermber the 5th, : "At present there are no other contenders for the 
LBW and I have received comment from one group that they are holding back 
with their proposal to give Greece a clear run". That was one month ago but 
I thought we still had more than enough time to plan things ahead and
announce them to you.

We had the chance to meet in person in Athens a couple of weeks ago with 
Andy and after a brainstorming over greek cuisine we decided that the best 
place to host such an event would be Crete for various reasons (that would 
take some time to write which unfortunately I don't have right now but I 
promise we'll do our best to prepare something before this year ends for 
your consideration)

Anyway, to make a long story short: We've already have a mailing list
set up  (Cc'ing them) in which we're doing the local organisers' stuff
(who's gonna call whom, which mayor to ask about rooms, what excursion
to plan etc.) That's at http://lists.hellug.gr/mailman/listinfo/lbw2007
At the time we have only 3 people working loosely on it but I expect
that to change soon.

We've also set up a vhost at:
http://lbw2007.hellug.gr/
in which we'll be installing a collaborative tool (like a wiki) with
content similar to the one previous LBW had (how to get there, what to
see, useful vocabulary etc)

Andy (who's up to his neck with his job at this time) has already offered to 
help with the Greek proposal and will be visiting Athens sometime in mid-January 
and we'll have the chance to coordinate even better.

I have the slight impression that we'll be in touch ;-)

Cheers everyone,

Spiros



From sbolis at freemail.gr  Mon Dec 18 00:34:14 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:34:14 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Lbw2007] Keimeno gia thn ypopshfiothta
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612180033380.32034@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>

Boreite oloi na doylepsete to parakatw arxeio?


http://www.hellug.gr/groups/lug/LBW07Protash/



From nikos at hellug.gr  Mon Dec 18 19:15:15 2006
From: nikos at hellug.gr (nikos at hellug.gr)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:15:15 +0200
Subject: [Lbw2007] Keimeno gia thn ypopshfiothta
Message-ID: <20061218191515.2kvrb0vk4k8k0w80@mail.hellug.gr>

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:34:14 +0200 (EET)
Spiros Bolis <sbolis at freemail.gr> wrote:
> Boreite oloi na doylepsete to parakatw arxeio?
>
> http://www.hellug.gr/groups/lug/LBW07Protash/


είσαι σίγουρος πως το χεις ανεβάσει σωστά;
κάνω login μπαίνω στο link και μου βγάζει: "Insufficient Privileges"


-- 
nikos roussos
[ http://comzeradd.chimeres.gr/ ]
gpg: 0x7AB1333E




From sbolis at freemail.gr  Fri Dec 22 15:15:50 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:15:50 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Lbw2007] LBW2007 web site
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612221513060.24165@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>

to dedicated mediawiki einai etoimo:

http://lbw2007.hellug.gr/index.php

an pate sto

http://lbw2007.hellug.gr/

tha deite mono mia statikh selida

yparxei omws ena trik gia na to deite mexri na gyrisei to DNS, prepei na
prosthesete sto arxeio /etc/hosts to teleytaio entry

sbolis at lab-lap:~ > cat /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost
195.134.64.245  lab-lap.noc.uoa.gr      lab-lap
195.134.99.77   lbw2007.hellug.gr


Ormate!



From sbolis at freemail.gr  Sun Dec 24 00:53:33 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:53:33 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Lbw2007] Keimeno gia thn ypopshfiothta
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612180033380.32034@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612180033380.32034@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612240037040.31939@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>

Me to Richard to apogeyma doylepsame ligo to keimeno ths "ypopshfiothtas" 
mas, keimeno poy sas thymizw prepei na steiloyme tis epomenes 4-5 meres 
sthn kentrikh lista toy LBW gia na paroyme kai to typiko OK.

https://www.hellug.gr/groups/LBW2007/LBW07Protash

ri3te mia matia (an thelete na doylepsete to keimeno kai ta mh melh toy
hellug, steilte moy proswpiko na doyme ti tha kanoyme)


Sas thymizw epishs th selida toy LBW 2007 poy prepei na synthroyme apo
'dw kai bros (grafteite eleythera):
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

to dedicated mediawiki einai etoimo:

http://lbw2007.hellug.gr/index.php

an pate sto

http://lbw2007.hellug.gr/

tha deite mono mia statikh selida

yparxei omws ena trik gia na to deite mexri na gyrisei to DNS, prepei na
prosthesete sto arxeio /etc/hosts to teleytaio entry

sbolis at lab-lap:~ > cat /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost
195.134.99.77   lbw2007.hellug.gr


Ormate!

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Me thn eykairia thelw na kalwsorisoyme sth lista mas ton prwto apo toys
dyo Krhtikoys poy tha boithisoyn sth diorganwsh, to Giwrgh ton
Kainoyrgiakh, o allos den exei graftei akoma kai ton perimenw (toy kanw
Bcc: ;-) )



From sbolis at freemail.gr  Sun Dec 24 23:28:23 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:28:23 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Lbw2007] [Lbw] Wishing you all a great Christmas
In-Reply-To: <458EEC61.5010604@x31.com>
References: <458EEC61.5010604@x31.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612242320430.22835@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, Andy Fletcher wrote:

> Timezone (GMT+3) means I get chance to say it first :-)

Here in Greece we still have some 30 minutes till the 25th (GMT+2) but 
I won't wait.

Our (mine as well as those of the rest of the guys working for the 
LBW 2007 organising) best wishes to everyone



From sbolis at freemail.gr  Mon Dec 25 00:13:03 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 00:13:03 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Lbw2007] proodos etoimasias..
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612250009490.26083@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>

doyleyw panw sto keimeno ths ypopshfiothtas, pisteyw na einai etoimo se
ligo gia na toy ri3ete mia matia kai na to steiloyme se 1-2 meres.

Antalla3a eyxes me ton Andy Fletcher (ayton poy mas proteine n'
analaboyme to LBW gia fetos) prin ligo me SMS, tha einai edw th
deyterh bdomada toy Ianoyarioy, toy eipa oti tha kanonisoyme na bgoyme
(gia na toy dwsoyme ena akoma preview ths Ellhnikhs filo3enias ;-) )

kalo brady se oloys,



From sbolis at freemail.gr  Fri Dec 29 17:22:57 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:22:57 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Lbw2007] [Lbw] LBW 2007 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612291721570.24089@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>

nomizw pws irthe h wra na steiloyme to keimeno mas..

Osoi thelete na kanete allages 'h protaseis, as to kanete mexri to
brady, ligo argotera tha balw kai 1-2 idees poy exw akoma
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Antony Stone wrote:
> 1. Confirmation of intention to put forward a proposal: 23:59 Sunday 31st 
> December 2006 - specifically for the people listed above (including the 
> backups), if you do not intend to put forward any proposal, please let the 
> group know by this date.
>   

This is getting awfully close, and I still haven't seen much activity
from anyone but the Greeks...

> 2. Outline proposal including location (name of town, not just a country) and 
> dates: 23:59 Sunday 21st January 2007, so that we know by then how many 
> choices there seem to be for LBW 2007.  If we don't get any of these, we 
> should choose one backup proposal and ask the proposer to produce outline 
> details as soon as possible (I suggest we only ask for one of these because 
> the backup proposers have said they don't want to put the work in of the 
> event doesn't go ahead, and I for one would be happy to trust all of Henrik, 
> Johan and David to come up with good proposals if they can put the time in).
>
> 3. Full proposal including the hall/building to act as the centre of the 
> event, costs, and preferably at least some information on accomodation and 
> travel: 23:59 Sunday 18th February 2007
>
> 4. Vote if there is more than one complete and plausible proposal by the end 
> of stage 3: 23:59 Wednesday 28th February 2007.
>   

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From sbolis at freemail.gr  Sun Dec 31 14:17:32 2006
From: sbolis at freemail.gr (Spiros Bolis)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:17:32 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Lbw2007] Hellenic proposal for the LBW 2007
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612311353570.5793@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>

Hi guys,

as promised I'm sending our proposal for the LBW 2007 before this year
ends (local time :-) )

>From all of us, happy and productive new year

See you in Crete this summer,

Spiros


=======================================================================

Greetings from sunny (but rather chilly) Athens,

We are pleased to propose that the LBW for 2007 take place here, in
Greece, on the island of Crete and more specifically the area of
Hersonissos in Herakleion (Iraklio). We chose that location for the many
reasons we state below (for those impatient, scroll to the bottom):

Touristic Infrastructure:

Crete is a very popular touristic destination for a large part of the
western world and as such it has lots of transportation facilities,
either by sea or by air, and lots of different types of accommodation,
ranging from luxurious spa resorts to small studios and well organized
camping sites.

The airport at Iraklion has, apart from the very frequent local flights
to and from the mainland (mainly Greece's two largest cities, Athens and
Thessaloniki), a constant flow of charters coming and going to and from
everywhere in the world especially during the summertime, so that part
should be easy.

The port of Iraklio is one of the busiest in Greece and has at least two
very large ferries connecting Iraklio with Athens (6-hour trip) every
night, itineraries which are doubled or even tripled during peak periods
in the summer.

At about 15Km from the airport and some 25Km from the port of Iraklio to
the East by the sea is the area of Hersonissos which has two camping
sites and plenty of hotels. Hersonissos city consists of several small
villages and the main tourist destinations of Port Hersonissos ,
Anissaras and Old Hersonissos. Last population count was 4050 citizens
while on high touristic season circulating people reach 50.000!

Sightseeing and other activities:

Crete can accommodate a large number of different vacation types as it
combines vivid night life, antiquities, clear blue sea and nice beaches,
mountains and canyons. To mention some of either popular or
geek-oriented destinations we have assembled a non-exhaustive list:

Samaria gorge, the most popular and well known hiking destination
http://www.west-crete.com/samaria-gorge.htm

Skinakas university observatory, located at a high mountain one of the
best locations in Europe for high quality astronomical observations
http://www.physics.uoc.gr/en/menu/skinakas.php

Knossos and Faistos ruins, these two cities used to be the center of the
Minoan civilization: 
http://www.culture.gr/2/21/211/21123a/e211wa03.html
http://www.zeus.gr/en/guide/crete/prefecture_of_heraklion/phaistos.html

ITE (FORTH): The Foundation for Research and Technology  Hellas (FORTH)
is one of the largest research centers of Greece with well - organised
facilities and a highly qualified staff. It consists of seven Research
Institutes most of which are located in Crete. 
http://www.forth.gr

Thira (Santorini): day-cruises form the port of Iraklio to the volcanic
island can be arranged.

Boutari winery at Skalani village (8Km south of Iraklio), a very modern
building with guided tours and wine testing seminars
http://www.boutaris.gr/%2876EADF0227D055951393144F46B90B3A67122CB06AC96036%29/ecPage.asp?id=2781&nt=18&lang=1
http://www.boutaris.gr/%28CED762C025E916D1691479F5DFDDE39506F080F0419D7022%29/ecpage.asp?id=2778&nt=106&lang=1

And of course one can do water sports (like scuba diving, canoeing,
jet-skiing, windsurfing, etc) at every organized beach (including
Hersonissos)

Cuisine and Local Spirits:

In the latest years many mentions have been made about the Cretan Diet
and Mediterranean Diet. So it is now well known that the Cretan Diet is
not only aromatic and tasteful, but also extremely healthy. The
incorporation of olive oil in the dietary habits of the Cretans dates
back to ancient times. The writings in Linear A and B tablets ascertain
that Minoans used it in their nutrition dating at least as far back as
1800 BC.

Today, Cretans consume large quantities of virgin olive oil in all their
foods. They use generous quantities in their salads, in their fried
dishes (fish, potatoes, etc.), in boiled greens, in soups, in all oily
dishes, in pastries and even in the preparation of pork!

Raki (or tsikoudia) is an anise-flavored apritif produced by distilling
grapes and is an extract with alcohol concentration between 40 and 80 %!
It is usually accompanied by "meze" (a selection of appetisers or small
dishes of seafood such as "little fishes", grilled octopus, cheese or
ham) which can replace main course. Sitting down for a "raki" in a
kafeneio, you could be served with the most simple but wonderful mezedes
like goat cheese, olives, dolmades (stuffed vine-leaves), grapes,
raisins or rusks.

Wine has been an important part of Greek culture for over 4000 years as
the numerous archeological discoveries throughout Greece have revealed.
The ancient Greeks knew well the nutritional value of wine as it became
an inseparable part of their daily regimen. Wine also played and
important role in the evolution of the local economy.

The first traces of wine production in Greece were found on the island
of Crete, in the middle of the 3rd century BC. Many fascinating insights
into the culture of wine were discovered in the Minoan village of Myrtos
near Ierapetra. Several clay wine presses, wine cups, amphorae and wine
seeds were discovered throughout the island of Crete and brought to
light the important role that wine has played in Greek culture since
these ancient times. Discoveries of tombs in Crete that date from
between 3000-2000 BC portray replicas of winepresses and possibly the
oldest winepress in the world was found in the ruins of Vathypetro near
the village of Archanes

Nowadays there are two main wine producing regions in Iraklion. The
first one is centred in the areas of Archanes and Peza where two
varieties of red grapes are cultivated , "Kotsifali" with a
characteristic aroma and taste and "Mandilari" with a deep ruby color.
Wines made from these two varieties of grapes aquire a color and taste
,quite distinctive. There is also a dry white wine with a distinctive
aroma and fruity taste , produced in the area , from the "Vilana" grape
variety. The second region is centred in the areas of Dafnes and
Arkaloxhori , where the main variety of grapes cultivated is the red
"Liatiko". In general the wines produced in the prefecture of Iraklion
are red and rose . The red ones from the varieties "kotsifali",
"mandilari" , "liatiko", "ladikino", "sirah" and "carignane", and the
rose ones from the varieties "athiri", "thrapsathiri", "silvaner",
"chauvignon" and "vilana". There are four "appelation d'origine
controlee" categories of the wines produced in the prefecture of
Iraklio.

Local Organizing: People and ideas:

We've already recruited 2 more fellow geeks to help with the organizing
of LBW, they're both living in Iraklio, have a lot of ideas and are
willing to do the face to face contacts with the local authorities, the
local tourist agents etc. At the same time the rest of us (two members
of the Hellenic Linux Users Board, all situated in Athens) will try to
secure some short of sponsorship in order a) to make the stay more
pleasant and b) to be able to invite one or two popular figures of the
FLOSS movement (we've already took the liberty of sending some e-mails).

We feel that there's a lot of time to organize and we'll do our best to
show you the Greek hospitality as we understand it. We've also set up a
wiki at http://lbw2007.hellug.gr/ which will be world viewable as soon
as we prepare more content for it and through that we will be expecting
your input

Time of the event:

As August and especially the week surrounding the 15th, the most
important religious holiday of Greece (after Easter), is the busiest
touristic period, we would advise against picking a date then because
of a) the crowd: Everyone who can will be somewhere near a beach,
filling the hotels, etc. We can get around this by booking early (say by
the end of February) but the prices will be the highest one can get and
b) heat: we're talking about sunstroke intensity - it is not unusual to
get peaks of 40 degrees Celsius with and average of 35. If one is not
careful it can get to you, but if a few rules are followed, this too, is
doable.




Concluding, we think that Crete offers all the things LBW would ask for
and we have the people to make sure that everything will run smoothly
and everyone will have fun.

Our first choice of dates would be the 2nd till the 9th of September but
if the majority insists on August we propose the period of 26th of
August till the 2nd of September

On behalf of the Organizing Committee,

Richard Kweskin, president of HEL.L.U.G.

=======================================================================



From henrik at levkowetz.com  Sun Dec 31 18:18:30 2006
From: henrik at levkowetz.com (Henrik Levkowetz)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:18:30 +0100
Subject: [Lbw2007] [Lbw] Hellenic proposal for the LBW 2007
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612311353570.5793@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612311353570.5793@playschool.noc.uoa.gr>
Message-ID: <A5DA96E4-3292-4B69-B9F2-9E778FC79AB4@levkowetz.com>

Hi Spiros,

On 31 Dec 2006, at 13:17, Spiros Bolis wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> as promised I'm sending our proposal for the LBW 2007 before this year
> ends (local time :-) )
>
>> From all of us, happy and productive new year
>
> See you in Crete this summer,


I'm really happy to see this proposal, it looks like you've given
this some thought and I'd love to go to Crete for a LBW.  The main
reflection I have when reading the proposal, and also checking Google
maps and Wikipedia, is that Hersonissos still seems like a bit too
large and touristy.  You mention ~4000 people plus tourists, which
seems in line with what Wikipedia describes:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hersonissos
and looking at Google maps, I see an area which seems to have a lot
of hotels and what I interpret as holiday bungalow villages:
    http://tinyurl.com/yggr26

Would some smaller place in the same area, but a bit off from the
main tourist path be possible?  Looking some more at the area,
using Google Earth and a map, I find places like Apostoli, Smari
and Galifa; which seems to have access to plenty of hiking, and
larger than just a few scattered houses...

Anyway, thank you for all the work so far :-)


	Henrik