Hmerida Arxhs Prostasias Aporrhtoy

Panagiotis Kranidiotis kranidiotis at vatica.org
Mon Apr 11 20:38:34 EEST 2005


Spiros Bolis wrote:
> Prin ligo gyrisa apo thn hmerida ths Arxhs Prostasias Aporrhtoy twn
> Epikoinwniwn
> http://www.adae.gr/adae/viewarticle.html?langid=el&articleid=55
> 
> H alitheia einai pws me allo kapelo (i.e. idiothta) 3ekinhsa na paw,
> allh katelh3a na ekproswpw. Telospantwn, apo tis skorpies shmeiwseis poy
> krathsa sas metaferw liga pragmata - to zoymi gia osoys biazontai einai
> katw-katw. (leei ZOYMI me megala ;-) )
> 
> Sthn arxh yphr3an kapoies genikes (meta ematha pws ayto to kommati ths
> hmeridas onomasthke "thesmiko") omilies gia to ti einai asfaleia kai ti
> kanoyn oi alles xwres ktl.
> 
> H omilia poy mas endiaferei edw htan toy An. Kath. sto Oikonomiko
> Panepisthmio Athinwn me titlo "o rolos twn anoiktwn protypwn kai
> texnologiwn sthn epitey3h ths asfaleias". Sthn omilia toy yphr3an
> anafores stoys "aspastoys" algorithmoys DVD-CSS kai GSM poy kratoysan
> kleistoys oi etairies gia na mas prostateysoyn koykoylwnontas sthn oysia
> tis adynamies toys katw apo to xali (dikh moy ekfrash). Oi parapanw
> algorithmoi e3etasthkan kai parakamfthikan. Apotelesma: kapoios me
> arketo e3oplismo na borei na ypoklepsei kinhta thlefwna.
> 
> Shmeiwse poly entona th dynatothta (quote) "epithewrhshs apo tritoys"
> sthn periptwsh toy eleytheroy logismikoy kai anefere th gnwsth frash toy
> Erik Raymont gia ta ekatomyria matia poy blepoyn ton kwdika. Se
> antithesh, sto kleisto logismiko perimenoyme ton kathe kataskeyasth na
> dehsei na ftia3ei thn trypa.
> 
> Anaferthike se "kerkoportes" opws th gnwsth istoria me toys peiragmenoys
> TCP wrapper (NC421), kapoio problhma ston kernel (sys_wait4), sthn
> (elbetikh?) etaireia "Crypto AG" poy poyloyse kryptografiko yliko se
> Iran, Irak kai Batikano (poy einai kai prosfato akoysma) kai apodeixthke
> oti poylage sto Santam mystika toy Iran poy ypeklepte akribws epeidh
> ta kryptografika systhmata eixan back-door. Telos, anaferthike kai sth
> perifhmo _NSAKEY twn Windows (mexri 2000) poy, an kai kata th gnwmh toy
> den isxyei, dinei thn eykairia sthn NSA (amerikanikh mystikh yphresia)
> na exei prosbash sta kryptografika dedomena poy diakinoyntai me ta
> leitoyrgika ayta.
> 
> Ekleise thn omilia toy me tria koytakia: ta anoixta protypa exoyn
> ypshlh poiothta, xamhlos kostos kai biopoikilia - den soy katebazoyn olo
> to diktyo giati de basizesai mono se ena kai monadiko pragma.
> 
> Akoloythisan duo arketa baretes synedries px. me trapezikoys poy miloysa
> genikologa. A3izei na anaferw tis omilies toy Giwrgoy toy Basilakoy kai
> ths Elenas ths Spyropoyloy (EEXI), oxi toso gia thn omilia ayth
> katheayth, alla gia tis _*kairies*_ parembaseis toys stis omades
> ergasias kai toy Giwrgoy toy Epithdeioy (poy edwse resta perigrafotas
> glafyrotata to poso xtyphse to "image" mias amerikanikhs etaireias h
> gkafa toys na poylhsoyn proswpika dedomena ~100.000 anthrwpwn se
> egklhmaties kai sthn prospatheia na to sygkalypsoyn, ta ekanan
> xeirotera)
> 
> Kapoy sto endiameso fagame (kala htan) kai ligo meta xwrisame se treis
> aithoyses analoga me to pedio endiaferontos toy kathenos. Ekei egine to
> "xontro" paixnidi ths hmeridas (xalali kai h xamenh mera).
> 
> Sth 2h aithoysa poy aforoyse "dhmosio-trapezes-xrhstes" mazeythkame
> kamia 20ria anthrwpoi apo : ypoyrgeia, ISPhdes, trapezes ktl. Skopos htan
> na mazepsoyme tis anhsyxies kai tis idees mas wste na ginei dhmosia
> syzhthsh kai na bgoyn odhgies kai rythmiseis gia to nomo peri
> diasfalishs toy aporrhtoy kai twn epikoinwniwn
> ( http://www.adae.gr/adae/viewarticle.html?langid=el&articleid=40 )
> Ekei loipon, kapoio megalostelexos toy YPESDA (ypoyrgeio eswterikwn)
> mias kapoias hlikas me afhnei na ton koitaw sa xazos afoy arxise na leei
> mesa sth syzhthsh gia politikh PKI (public key), kai logikh OSS (!). To
> dhmosio endiaferetai gia tetoia kolpa - diafora ypoyrgeia asxoloyntai me
> to thema apo diafores skopies px. Amynas- aytonohto, Eswtwrikwn - eggrafa,
> KEP ktl., Dikaiosynhs - poinika mhtrwa
> 
> Panw poy lew: Wpa, na zhthsw to logo gia na pshsoyme kanena symboylo
> ypoyrgoy gia ta ths asfaleias toy Eleytheroy Logismikoy. Eimai etoimos
> na zhthsw to logo kai 3ekinaei mia logodiarroia o Nikos o Basilakos
> poy ethesa ola mas ta themata to trapezi (kai o proedros kratoyse synexws
> shmeiwseis poy diabase sth lh3h ths hmeridas!): xrhsh eleytheroy
> logismikoy giati dinetai h dynatothta epopteias apo web browsers mexri
> efarmoges xrhmatisthrioy! (Nike, me ayto poy ekanes "katharises" gia
> kati paratragoyda toy parelthontos ;-) ) Epishs eginan syzhthseis kai
> "parathrhseis" stoys trapezites poy twra 3ekinane oi "hlektronikes
> trapezikes" toys na synergazontai me oloys toys browsers oi opoioi
> fanhkan na neyoyn sygkatabatika. Aaa... na mhn anaferw tis bhxtes poy
> phgainan kai erxontan gia ton egkatesthmeno sto 95% (and dropping ;-) )
> browser. Thn anagkh gia anoixto logismiko anefere kai o Stelios o
> Ma'i'stros apo to CERT toy EDET toso sthn omilia toy, oso kai sto
> stroggylo trapezi.
> 
> 
> 
> ZOYMI (osoi barieste, diabaste edw):
> 
> Syntoma, tha mas kalesei me kapoio tropo h ADAE gia na syzhthsoyme - exw
> dwsei to e-mail toy D.S.  Kalo tha htan na exoyme kati na poyme mexri
> thn epomenh fora (isws kai se mia ebdomada an katalaba kala)
> 
> Dia ths paroyshs, dhmioyrgeitai h sxetikh omada ergasias me proswrino
> syntonisth emena. Akoysate-akoysate. Skopos einai na broyme yliko giati
> to Eleythero/Anoixto logismiko einai protimotero apo pleyras asfaleias
> (an kai me ayta poy akoysa shmera, isws de dyskoleytoyme na toys
> peisoyme ;-) )
> 
> Grapste tis skepseis sas edw mexri na doyme posoi eimaste. An de dw
> zesh, tha kanw anagkastikh stratologhsh.. ;-)
> 
> Kalo apogeyma,
> 
Mpravo Spyro kai ena mpravo kai ston filo mas ton Niko. Ekdhlwseis san 
kai aytes einai eykairies poy SE KAMIA PERIPTWSI den prepei na menoyn 
ana3iopoihtes.
Proswpika oti xreiasthte sthn dia8esi sas (den nomizw na eixes amfivolia 
oti den 8a me endiefere :-)).

Kai gia arxi na ena poly wraio ar8ro poy synele3a epi toy 8ematos.

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