ÊïðÞ ðßôáò HELLUG 2004 êáé áíáêïéíþóåéò...

[Aristotelis]

On 2004-02-02, Giannis Stoilis <giannis at stoilis.gr> wrote:
> ÊáëçóðÝñá óáò.
> ôï Üëìðïõì ìå ôéò öùôïãñáößåò, þóôå íá ìðïñåßôå íá ôçí äåßôå êáé üóïé 
> äåí Þñèáôå ôçí ãéïñôÞ. Èá óôåßëù áíáêïßíùóç ãéá ôï url.

    Ante perimenoyme :pppp

> ¸÷åé êáôáñ÷Þí äõíáôüôçôá ýðáñîçò; Ãéá ðïëý áðëÜ èÝìáôá, üðùò ôï ðùò èá 
> ìðåé ï newsserver, ðåôÜãïíôáé Üôïìá êáé ëÝíå ôçí ãíþìç ôïõò ü÷é ìßá, ü÷é 
> äýï, áëëÜ áíïßãåé êáé ïëüêëçñï flamewar. Ãéáôß; Ãéá ôï ðùò èá ãßíåé Ýíá 

   TO oti anoigei genika flamewar se oles tis listes einai mia ponemenh
istoria kai isws na exei kanei kai me thn fysh toy leitoyrgikoy toy
idioy (paradosiaka stis listes twn free OS ginetai enas xamos 
me ta flames). To thema einai apo ta flames na mathainoyme kai na mhn
epanalambanontai ta idia problhmata.

> ÊáôÜ äåýôåñïí, Ý÷åé íüçìá ýðáñîçò ï óýëëïãïò; Ôé ðñïóöÝñáìå ôüóá ÷ñüíéá; 
> Ôé êÜíáìå; ÊÜíáìå êÜôé; Ïé ìåôáöñÜóåéò äåí óõíôïíßæïíôáé áðü ôïí 

  Katalabainw ti ennoeis, alla pisteyw apo thn allh oti ontws o syllogos
ekane kati ayta ta xronia. Kai ekane kai otan to linux eixe mikroterh
dynamikh, twra apo oti *fainetai* to linux anaptysetai kai yparxei kosmos
poy thelei na to dei na xrhsimopoieitai. Ara to thema den einai ti 
eixame kanei (poy eixame kanei) alla ti mporoyme na kanoyme apo edw kai
mpros.

> Åßðá ôá êáêÜ ôïõ óõëëüãïõ, áò ðù êáé ôá êáëÜ ôþñá. Ç ðáñïõóßá ìáò óôçí 
> infosystem Ýêáíå åíôýðùóç óå ðïëëÜ Üôïìá, åßôå óôïí ôýðï, åßôå óå 
> ìåãÜëåò åôáéñåßåò. Ç linux-greek-users Ý÷åé âïçèÞóåé áíáñßèìçôá Üôïìá, 
> óõìðåñéëáìâáíïìÝíïõ êáé åìÝíá.

   hellug != LGU, hellug != infosystem. H epityxia ths infosystem
den exei amesh sxesh me to oti phge o hellug san kala organwmenos syllogos
alla me to oti pragmatika ekei eixame oloi mas mia kalh paroysia.(Osoi 
eimastan dhladh . poy eimastan kai arketoi .. mono cdakia den eixame)


> Áõôü ðïõ äåí óçêþíåé óõæÞôçóç, åßíáé ðùò èá ãßíåé ôï åðüìåíï âÞìá ìáò. 
> Èá ãßíåé íüìéìá. Íüìéìá èá êëåßóåé ï óýëëïãïò, êáé èá óõíå÷ßóïõìå üôé 
> êÜíáìå ìÝ÷ñé ôþñá(äçëáäÞ ôßðïôá ïõóéáóôéêü) Þ èá íïìéìïðïéÞóïõìå ôïí 

 #define oysiastiko??? 
(Pali edw kanw ton synhgoro toy diaboloy, alla egw epeidh kserw 
me ti styl to les, den tha to paroyne oloi). Allwste mporei o kathenas
na apanthsei oti o syllogos basizetai ston ethelontismo, ara prosferw
ayto poy mporw.

> Áí óõìöùíÞóïõí êáé ïé õðüëïéðïé, ðñÝðåé íá êÜíïõìå ôá åîÞò:
> - Íá åíþóïõìå üëåò ôéò ôïðéêÝò ïìÜäåò áíÜ ôçí åëëÜäá ìå ôïí óýëëïãï. Ï 
> ê. ÓïëäÜôïò áíÝëáâå ôçí åðéêïéíùíßá ìå áõôÝò ôéò ïìÜäåò.

   Erwthsh: Gia na kanoyme ekloges theloyme kalpes ktl ktl. Xwris
hlektronikh pshfoforia pws tha ginei?? H mhpws tha erxontai oloi
sthn athhna na pshfizoyne. (Den lew kalh ekdromh einai, meros na 
meinoyne tha brethei isws gia kapoioys, alla ligaki dyskolo den to
koboyme).

> - Íá Ý÷ïõìå åðßóçìåò óõíåëåýóåéò 2 öïñÝò ôïõëÜ÷éóôïí ôïí ÷ñüíï.

   Dyskolo, an kai isws oxi adynato.

> - Íá âñïýìå ìéá ðñáãìáôéêÞ Ýäñá. Ðñéí ãßíåé áõôü, ðñÝðåé íá êÜíïõìå ìéá 
> Ýñåõíá ôùí åîüäùí ðïõ ÷ñåéáæüìáóôå ãéá íá Ý÷ïõìå Ýíáí, Ýóôù êáé ôõðéêÜ, 
> äéêü ìáò íüìéìï ÷þñï. Áõôü óçìáßíåé åíïßêéï, íåñü, ôçëÝöùíï. Óçìáßíåé 
> áýîçóç ôçò óõíäñïìÞò, ðéèáíüôáôá.

   Aykshsh ths syndromhs den pisteyw oti einai megalo problhma stoys
perissoteroys. Alla yparxei kosmos poy tha pei oti den asxoleitai 
pleon me ton syllogo, giati na plhrwsei kai parapanw. Arxika pisteyw
oti prepie na doyme tis periptwseis poy mas prosferoyne stegh.


  Na balw thn dikh moy gnwmh se ayta poy eipes. (An kai akomh h 
gnwmh moy den exei katastalaksh, twra thn diamorfwnw so to thema
thelei arketh syzhthsh).

   To thema opws eipe kai o Giannhs den einai ta kapoia services 
poy parexoyme san hellug kai h epektash aytwn. Ayta ta "texnika" themata 
dystyxws (gia mena at least .. gia kapoioys managers isws eytyxws) einai 
h koryfh toy pagoboynoy. An einai na ginoyme syllogos to shmantiko 
poy prepei na kanoyme einai na asxolhthoyme me ta politics ths ypotheshs
(opws eipe kai o Giannhs elegxoi se diagwnismoys ktl ktl). To thema einai
kata poso tha thelhsoyme na to kanoyme ayto kai ti xrono tha diathesoyme
gia ayto. 
 Proswpika den kserw an me elkyei toso na mplextw me themata politikhs
toso poly. Otan mplekeis se tetoia themata polloi einai aytoi poy tha
doyne ton syllogo (mia kathara ethelontikh prospatheia) san ena meso
pieshs, h proswpikhs anadeikshs. Ayto isws ena thema poy tha eprepe
na to apofygoyme.
 Epishs ena thema poy den kserw ti tha ginei einai h symmetoxh. Tis 
perissoteres fores (90% dhladh) einai ta idia 10 atoma poy symmetexoyne
energa kai prosferoyne. Epomenws me 10 atoma na ginei sobaros syllogos
einai poly dyskolo ws adynato. Edw to DS eprepe na ginoyne diafores
alxhmies gia na bgei. 
  Erwthsh: MHpws mas boleyei na dialysoyme proswrina ton syllogo
kai na ton ksanadhmioyrghsoyme me katastatiko ktl ktl apo thn arxh
mhpws glytwsoyme thn olh ayth fasaria??? (An ontws apofasisoyme oti
pame gia kanoyme allages katastatikoy ktl ktl).

  H gnwmh moy einai pws ellhnikh nomothesia many times sucks (giati
na mhn epitrepei tis e-voting se afilokerdhs syllogoys) alla to 
shmantikotero thema einai ti theloyme emeis na kanoyme. Egw mexri 
twra to blepw dyskolo na organwthoyme toso kala, opws isws prepei
gia na ginoyme ayto poy proteinei o Giannhs. Thn apaisiodoksia moy
ayth thn sthrizw kathara sta didagmata toy parelthontos, bebaia
opws eipa kai sthn arxh h gnwmh moy den exei diamorfwthei akomh
kai ayth h apopsh einai kati poy mporei na allaksei.

    Filika, 
 Aristotelis