Ti shmainei elitismos

[fs]

(den 8elo na malwnw oyte na krataw tetoia thread anoixta. alla
epitrepste mou na apanthsw.)

On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 01:42:22PM -0700, Nikos_Apostolakis wrote:
> Fysika kai mporeis na peis ston epixhmatia oti o kosmos prepei na
> eley8erw8ei apo ta deina toy kapitalismou. To an 8a s' akoysei einai allo 
> 8ema. 

Den 8a se akousei. Ekei einai to 8ema. Kai pio sigkekrimena: To 8ema
einai 8es ton epixirimatia na proo8isei to linux h oxi? An 8ES na to
proo8isei DEN mporeis na tou poulas antikapitalismo. Kapoioi ligoi 8a
proxorisei, i sintriptikh pleiopsifia 8a figei trexontas. Einai praktiko
pleon, de mporeis na aneireuese tous 3eis epixirimaties pou 8a tixoun
"an8rwpistes", mias kai ekeinoi einai sxedon anyparktoi, to dilima
paremenei. 8es epixiriseis na exoun free software h' de 8es.

Yparxei mia merida an8rwpwn pou den 8eloun anoixta. Milane gia mia mikrh
klika programmatistwn kai siniditopoiimenwn users pou 8a einai h kardia
tou free software.

Egw lew pws ta kleista kyklwmata fernoun parakmh. Arxika ksekinaei san
ena kalostimeno cult, kai siga siga eksafanizetai sta oligomelh melh tou
pou eginan 40 kai 60 xronwn kai milane sta newsgroups gia perasmena
megaleia kai 'adaeis neous'.

Apo thn allh oi epixeiriseis den 8eloun oute proodo sto software oute
eleu8eria ston programmatisth kai xrhsth, 8eloun ena pragma, xrhma. Den
mporeis na sthrizeis thn "koinwtita" se aytous. 

h isorropia anamesa sta dio einai sigoura h apanthsh.

Epixiriseis pou dexontai ta pleonekthmata anyparktou kostous merous tou
logismikou tous kai se periptoseis etairiwn distribution proo8ish
kapoiwn free software programmatwn sto kosmo, kai stous programmatistes
kai users douleia kai technical support.

> Bebaia to 8ema ti8etai gia pio logo yposthrizeis to eley8ero logismiko,
> kai apo th dikia moy optikh gwnia poy teinei na symfwnei me ton RMS 
> ayto poy einai to shmantiko sto GNU/Linux einai oti einai eley8ero.
> Kai to gegonos oti einai eley8ero toy dinei kata th gnmh moy poly 
> megalyterh aksia apo ola ta -kapws afelh kai politikantika- epixhrhmata
> toy styl Open Source (sic) logismiko einai eggenws kalytero apo to idiokthto
> kai h me8odologia toy styl "bazar" anagastika 8a paragei kalytero logismiko.  

Anefera parapano pio nomizo einai "to 8ema".

> > Oi computer-literate as exoun ipopsin tous to open source/free software
> > kai tin sunergasia pou epikratei. Oi "filosofimenoi" users as gnorizoun
> > peri GPL kai ti shmainei apo h8ikhs pleuras ... 
> 
> Kai meta milas gia elitismo ...  wste mono oi fwtismenoi 8a kseroyn ti
> shmainei eley8ero logismiko, den xreiazetai na fortwnoyme ton "aplo xrhsth"
> me dyskoloxwneytes ypsiles enoies. 
> 
> Kata th gnwmh moy den xreiazetai na eisai computer literate gia na mporeis
> na ektimhseis th filosofia toy GNU, esy giati 8ewreis oti xreiazetai?  

Tora omws gyrnas stin antipera ox8h. Ti mia milas me ex8ra pros tin
antilipsh pou 8elei na mh leme stis epixiriseis gia to free software kai
ton an8rwpismo tou kai apo thn allh 8eoreis elitismo to na 8es oi users
na exoun sinidish autwn twn pragmatwn. Dialekse. De mporeis na 8es tous
users probata kai tis epixiriseis "an8rwpistikes". Oute tous users
"anrwpistes" kai tis epixiriseis me microsoft. 

H isorropia pou anefera parapano mporei na uparksei profanws kai stous
users. Poloi 8a jeroun ti einai free software, alloi polu apla exoun
oikonomiko sumferon h' apla endiaferon gia to "mh-MS". Oi deuteroi omws
polu apla proo8oun to free software mono me tin xrhsh tous. 8a to poyn,
8a tous doun, 8a to dosoun sto filo tous pou mporei na mhn einai san
autous k.o.k.

> Kata th gnwmh moy den xreiazetai na eisai computer literate gia na mporeis
> na ektimhseis th filosofia toy GNU, esy giati 8ewreis oti xreiazetai?

Den 8eorisa tipota tetoio. Oi computer literate 8a einai sinithos
programmatistes pou epofelountai twn praktikwn pleonekthmatwn kai 
oi users pou xairontai gia tin filosofia tou pragmatos, apla skeptomenoi.

> >... alla mia ka8arh epixirish den
> > exei endiaferon se auta. Th noiazei to kostos kai pws 8a to elatwsei
> > opws kai h poiothta tou prointos ths.
> > 
> Nai alla pera twn computer literate kai twn epixhrhmatiwn yparxei kai o 
> "aplos" xrhsths, poy kata th gnwmh moy kalo 8a einai na kserei tis
> h8ikes kai politikes synepeies twn epilogwn toy. Den nomizeis?

Oxi. Den einai toso aspro mauro ta pragmata. Apanthsa parapano peri
"isorropias" se epipedo etairion opws kai xrhstwn.

-fs

yg. Den eipa esena elitisti. H apopsh htan elitistikh. An xaraktiriza
esena 8a elega apla "romantikos" :-)