Ti ginete me ton syllogo?

[Theodore J. Soldatos]

Panayotis Katsaloulis wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:36:17 +0200
> "Theodore J. Soldatos" <theodore at eexi.gr> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Kostas Tsakaloglou wrote:
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>>>1. Giati me ton syllogo asxoloynte panta 5 atoma?
>>
>>Kai malista ayta ta 5 atoma den einai panta ta idia, kai malista
>>yparxoun periodoi drasthriothtas kai periodoi yfeshs. Parathrhseis
>>kano...
> 
> Fysika kai 9a htan etsi.
> Den mporei kaneis na doyleyei se full speed synexeia.

Kati tetoio skeftomoun ki egrapsa ayto.

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>>>3. Se merikoys mhnes 8a ksanaginoyn ekloges. 8a yparxoyn
>>>ypopshfiothtes?
<snip>
> 
> As kopei EPITELOYS ayth h *kakomoiristikh* nootropia.

Giati kakomoiristikh ?

> 
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>>>4. Ean o syllogos kleisi, oli h perioysia toy (mhxanhmata, domain
>>>klp.) pane sto dhmosio. 8eloyme na ginei?
>>
> 
> Ta pernw kai egw spiti moy, den me xalaei :P

Xe... Ayto tha vohthouse, to provlhma einai oti den ginetai... :-)

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>>>6. Mhpos yparxei h entyposi oti o syllogos ine h LGU kai mono?
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> 
> Apo poy bghke ayto, den to katalaba.

Apo ta latest flamewars sth LGU fantazomai.

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>>>7. Mhpos h "elitistikh" symperifora kapoion an8ropon poy symmetexoyn
>>>stis listes, apomakrynei toys neoys apo ton syllogo?
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>>Opote mhpos tha eprepe na kanoume kai ligo pio eyxaristh thn symmetoxh
>>ston syllogo ? P.x., anagnorizo oti oles oi protovoulies pou exo parei
>>ego mexri tora exoun ena yfos "ksylino" h kapos etsi - ta D.T. p.x.
>>Mhpos tha eprepe na gyrisoume kai ligo piso, stis epoxes pou kaname
>>happening sthn stournarh ? Kana party ? Kati ligotero "sovaro" ? Oi
>>foithtes pou einai edo tha exoun kai pio kales idees apo tous
>>papoudes... :-)
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> 
> Aman... edw poy leme pws arxizei o syllogos kai kanei kati, na to
> kopsoyme;
> Ti einai ayta poy les 9odwrh;

Den eipa na kopsoume tipota... Des parakato. Nomizo oti apo thn stigmh pou 
arxisame na leitourgoume opos leitourgoume tora, me pio shmantikes 
paremvaseis, einai poly dyskolo na gyrisoume piso, tha prepei na ginoun 
kosmogonikes allages.

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> Mporei na mhn exoyn ginei "fantaxtera" pragmata ton teleytaio kairo,
> alla kata thn gnwmh moy exoyn ginei SAFWS POLY PIO SHMANTIKA apo ta 2
> prohgoymena xronia poy o syllogos htan ligo poly se li9argo.
> Kai ekdhlwseis kai omhlies kai prospa9eies epikoinwnias me etaireies...
> ti moy les twra.
> Na mhn anafer9w pws ta deltia typoy mporei na mhn einai pleon
> <<pareistika>> alla einai pio shmantika apo ena install fest poy panta
> erxontai oi idioi kai oi idioi kai kanoyn install sto mhxanhma toys mono
> oi psagmenoi poy hdh prospa9hsan alla den ta kataferan sto spiti.

Den thelo na ypotimhso osa exoun ginei mexri tora, ki ego ta theoro shmantika. 
Alloste allios htan h katastash to '98, allios einai tora, exei "xontrynei" to 
paixnidi kai den tha mporousame na yparksoume me thn morfh pou eixe o syllogos 
tote.

> 
> Ayto poy einai shmantiko gia mena wste na stamathsei h gkrinia einai
> poio 9eloyme na einai to proswpo toy syllogoy.
> 
> 1) PAreistiko opou o ka9enas kanei ton xabale toy. An 9es doyleyeis, an
> 9es oxi.
> 
> 2) Epishmo opoy ekfrazoyme epishma th gmwnh kapoiwn an9rwpwn. Ayto
> shmainei epafes me etaireies, deltia typoy, epishmes emfaniseis klp. Gia
> na doylepseis omws isws xreiazontai alla kinhtra, mia poy edw den
> yparxei h <<plaka>>.

Ta kinhtra yparxoun etsi ki allios. Den kaname ton syllogo gia na kanoume 
"plaka", ton kaname giati pistevoume kapoia pragmata. Apo ekei kai pera omos, 
to provlhma dhmiourgeitai otan oxi mono den exei plaka, alla ginetai kai 
dysaresto, opos p.x. to paradeigma pou anefera. Oi logoi pou o kathenas einai 
ston syllogo kanonika prepei na arkoun, arkei na mhn akyronontai apo alla 
pragmata. Den milao gia ton eayto mou, milao gia periptoseis san to paradeigma 
pou anefera.

> 
> Ayto poy kanoyme twra einai na akrobatoyme meta3y twn dyo kai oysiastika
> na koroideyoyme ton eayto mas. Anagnwrizoyme pws prepei na exoyme to
> deytero proswpo, alla epeidh einai afilokerdhs paramy9iazoyme toys
> eaytoys mas pws kanoyme thn plaka mas.

Oxi thn plaka mas. Eipame, to thema einai o kathenas na noiothei kala gi ayto 
pou kanei, na mhn ftanei na to vlepei san varos. Ki ego mporei na griniazo se 
prosopikes syzhthseis gia ton xrono pou ksodevo gia na grafo keimena kai 
mails, alla kata vathos m' aresei kai to kano. Mhpos omos kapoioi anthropoi 
theloun kai tis alles plevres ? Den eipame na ginoume tsirko, alla na mhn 
ginoume kai apolithomata - "geroi pou grafoun grammata se efhmerides", opos 
leei kai o Stanislav Lem sthn "Kyveriada"... :-) Nomizo oti mporoun na 
syndyastoun kapoia pragmata. Skepsou oti enas anthropos mporei na einai 
sovaros kai synephs sthn douleia toy, alla na mhn einai magoufhs sthn 
prosopikh tou zoh. Etsi kai me ton syllogo, na mhn apokleioume to ena apo ta 
dyo, ekei pou xreiazetai na exoume to "epishmo" prosopo, alla na mhn 
apokleioume kai kati pou tha ginei me diathesh xavale. Na erthoume se epafh me 
etaireies kai ypourgeia, alla na mhn metamorfothoume se manager h grafeiokrates.

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> Opws kai na exei egw blepw ton syllogo mia xara, pio ygeih apo pote kai
> poly pio energo apo oti prin ena 'h dyo xronia. Kai panw apo ola eimaste

Pos tha eksasfalisoume omos thn synexeia einai to thema.

> e9elontikos syllogos... to na apaiteis na ginei kati den odhgei poy9ena.
> Pisteyeis pws prepei na ginei kati; Kan'to esy.

E, ayto leo apo thn arxh. Na yparksoun protovoulies apo perissotera atoma. 
Etsi, akoma ki an kapoioi kopsoun kapoia stigmh taxythta, na synexizoun oi 
alloi. Oxi na kanoun 3-4 anthropoi kapoia pragmata kai molis kourastoun na 
stamatane ola kai na ksanarxizei o kyklos apo thn arxh.

T.

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