hellug machine access (WAS: comments on policy)

[Theodore J. Soldatos]

zakinthinos at hellug.gr wrote:
>>>>comments on policy  
>>>
> 
> tha mporuse na iparxei kai deuteros sshd se alli port
> i na ginetai activated  meta apo sleep kata 
> to upgrade oste na iparxi access.

Alhtheia, o sshd shkonetai standalone h apo (x)inetd ? Giati sthn deyterh 
periptosh, se syndyasmo me thn diadikasia anavathmishs pou periegrapsa se 
palaiotero mail (ksexoristo dir gia kathe ekdosh kai links) toylaxiston h 
anavathmish mporei na ginei me asfaleia, mias kai ta yparxonta sessions den 
kleinoun akoma ki an den anevei o (x)inetd. H akoma mporei na yparksei 
syndyasmos, enas sshd apo (x)inetd kai enas deyteros, se allo path, me allo 
config, se ksexoristh porta....

Lyseis yparxoun polles. To thema einai na ginei h syzhthsh. Sthn periptosh mas 
h mia pleyra eipe "prepei na yparxei telnet oposdhpote", h allh eipe "me 
tipota, einai insecure", eipane dyo standard epixeirhmata, moutrosane ki oi 
dyo kai to policy akoma ekkremei. Kai vrethike epitelous o Giorgos na pei 
kamia idea. Opos katalavate, pairno san aformh ayto to gramma gia na milhso 
gia thn epikremmamenh edo kai kairo kontra.

Sto grafeio mou sthn douleia, exo kollhsei sto plai 4 selides A4 pou grafoun 
me megala grammata (leksh kai selida): "Kapou exeis kanei lathos". Pera oti 
apotelei thn standard apanthsh gia osous erxontai na me rothsoun gia 
"anekshghta" provlhmata, apotelei kai mia ypenthymish se mena. Otan 
kontraromai me kapoion se texnika themata, prospatho prota na vro epixeirhmata 
*enantion* ths apopshs mou, gia na vevaiotho oti *ego* den kano lathos.

Den exoume thn polyteleia na xanoume (adikos) thn vohtheia anthropon pou kai 
kseroun kai theloun na vohthisoun. Kai anaferomai kai stis dyo pleyres, oi 
opoies kai oi dyo kanan lathi "taktikhs" ton teleytaio kairo. O nmav kanei 
pragmatika o,ti mporei. Kathise kai asxolhthike na grapsei to policy (pragma 
arketa dyskolo kai vareto, sas diavevaio) kai eiseprakse os apanthsh grinia 
kai neyra. Apo thn allh, sthn proth antirrhsh tou sbol apanthse apotoma kai 
stelnontas to ananeomeno policy theorhse dedomeno oti h dikh tou apopsh einai 
h sosth. O sbol (kai loipoi) den prospathisane katholou, arkesthkane sthn 
kontra. Ksero oti yparxei kapoio parelthon se aythn thn ypothesh, alla den 
hmoun gnosths, den phra kan xampari oti kati egine tote, oute exo akousei kai 
tis dyo apopseis gia na krino ti egine. Kai fysika den exei nohma se tetoies 
katastaseis na vroume poios ftaiei.

Tora tha mou peite, kala esy to paizeis OHE tora ? Omologo oti ki ego exo 
kanei ta idia lathi. Kai ton dyo pleyron. Taytoxrona. Kai *nomizo* oti 
katalavaino kai tis dyo pleyres. Isos kai na kano lathos. An einai etsi, as 
mou to pei kapoios. To thema einai oti olh ayth h douleia pou kanoume sto 
HEL.L.U.G. exei kapoio ameso fanero stoxo (R.T.F. katastatiko) kai kapoion 
emmeso, pio prosopiko. Synepos ayta ta provlhmata "prepei" na kseperniontai, 
allios xanoume ton logo yparkshs toy syllogou. To "ai sixtir, ta paratao" den 
einai lysh gia mena. Oi kontres einai aparaithtes gia na mathainoume apo ta 
lathi mas (kai ta lathi ton allon). Alla kapou prepei na katalhgoun, kata 
apokleistikh protimhsh sthn lysh tou provlhmatos.

Sygnomh pou prosopopoihsa tis "dyo pleyres" se dyo prosopa, alla etsi ki 
allios ta prosopa einai gnosta kai xreiazontai ligo tsiglisma, kathos kai oloi 
mas edo mesa... kai variemai na psakso ta palaiotera e-mail gia na do poios 
einai sthn mia kai poios sthn allh pleyra.

H protash toy nmav gia genikh politikh apo to DS kai eidikh apo tous root, 
akougetai kalh alla h vasikh mou antirrhsh einai oti den eksasfalizei mia 
synexeia, dedomenou oti oi root allazoun kai yparxei kindynos na katalhksoume 
(pali) se xaotika systhmata, styl Tux. Isos tha mporousame na afhsoume kapoies 
enallaktikes lyseis se kairia shmeia kai o ekastote root na epilegei. Kai 
fysika to policy mporei panta na allazei an kati apodeixtei astoxo.

Oso gia dhmokratikes diadikasies se sxesh me to policy (pou anefere o Nikos) 
to eklamvano os eironia, mia kai to policy apo mono toy (san ennoia) den einai 
dhmokratiko... :-) To thema einai na symfonhsoun oi anthropoi pou exoun *tora* 
thn diaxeirish. Na _symfonhsoun_, oxi na pleiopshfisoun.

Oson afora to kathara texniko kommati tora, symfono ki ego oti to telnet se 
ena anekselegto (apo emas) diktyo einai epikindyno, kai den eimai kai security 
freak. To risko tou telnet einai poly megalytero apo to risko tou na meinoume 
xoris access, opote frontizoume na meiosoume to deytero risko me kapoion apo 
tous parapano tropous h kapoion allo. Etsi ki allios, se xontrh zhmia kai 
telnet na xoume den tha mas vohthisei.

> 
> to Remote-Serial-Howto perigrafi pos ginetai access meso
> tilefonou+modem se tty ean exete telephone line sto noc
> mporeite na kanete access.

Mmmm... Ayto to theoro akoma pio risky... An kai den einai ths modas pleon to 
war dialing, o server ektetheimenos sto PSTN diktyo den mou akougetai kala...

> 
> episis kana mini distribution pou na mporei na 
> xoresi se floppy, na dini eth0 kai na to valoun apo tin forthnet
> na bootari ean to zitisete

Proypothetei oti tha yparxei kapoios prothymos ekei na exei thn disketta kai 
na afhsei thn douleia toy na asxolhthei me emas se periptosh provlhmatos. 
Alhtheia, o igloo einai sto internet.gr, etsi ? Exoume kanenan diko mas ekei ?

> 
> 
> more stddisc.h
> ta parapano einai entelos filosofikes
> protaseis pou mporei kai na douleuoun
> i oxi, i na min einai efarmosimes

Toulaxiston eipothikan. An eipothoun 20 protaseis, mporei h mia na einai 
sosth. An den eipothei kamia, den exoume elpida na akoustei h sosth.

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> giorgos tsimaras
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T.

P.S.: Xrhsimpoiei kaneis IMAP gia na diavasei to e-mail apo to @hellug.gr 
account toy ? Exo paraksenh symperifora kai apo mozilla kai apo allous clients 
kai den ksero an ftaiei o IMAP h o imap proxy (delegated) pou mesolavei. Me 
allous IMAP servers den exo provlhma...

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