OTE kai HELLUG :-)

Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr
Wed Dec 30 15:31:42 EET 1998 

Tha me piasoun ta klamata. Panta me pairnete apo ta moutra :-(

On 29-Dec-98 Katsifos Nikolaos wrote:
> 
> Agaphte Michali
> 
> Lypame  pou Qa to po alla den ta ksereis kala ta pramata
> 
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>               H EEXI --DEN EINAI ISP--....
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Egw pali den lypamai pou den kserw kala ta pragmata. Antitheta XAIROMAI an osa
les einai alitheia.
Se kamia periptwsi den ithela na thiksw tin EEXI, tin opoia kai ektimw (kai to
exw ksanapei, des ta archives) kai me tin opoia exoume skopo ws HELLUG na
synergastoume alla... as kanoume mia sygkrisi me kapoion ISP na mou peis ti
diafora.

> Einai afilokerdes somatio me skopo thn prooQhsh tou Internet sthn Ellada
> Den exei metoxes kai metoxous 

Swsta ws edw, alla ayta einai titloi. Exei ypallilous, oi opoioi einai meli
tis, exei D.S. to opoio einai emmistho klp klp. Tipota mempto se
ayta, apla na dieykrinizontai.

> Exei danistikes vivliothikes 

Gia ta meli.

> Diorganonei seminaria -polles fores dorean- eite sta grafeia ths eite 
> se ksenous xorous

Osa exw dei einai me ekptwsi i dwrean gia ta meli. Gia toys ypoloipous einai
epi plirwmi (katholou kako. Apla to dieykrinizw). An kanw lathos sygnommi.
Apo tin alli meria, enas ISP (i FORTHnet gia paradeigma, tin opoia kserw) exei
eidiki timi gia tous pelates tis, gia tin ypiresia S.M.A.R.T.

Ara exeis dikio mono an pragmati einai dwrean gia olo ton kosmo. Einai? Alliws i
diafora egkeitai sto TI prosfereis sta meli sou i tous pelates sou (opws tous
onomazei o kathenas, analoga me ton prosanatolismo tis etaireias) kai oxi sto
AN prosfereis.

> Parexei sta  melh tou -kai mono- Internet dialup prosvash

Kala, ayto tha to deis parakatw.

> eno kata kairous exei dosei se sxoleia dorean dialup  prosvash

Kai oloi oi ISPs dinoun dwrean prosbasi se diaforous organismous:

p.x.    Athina 2004 (FORTHnet)
        Syllogos prostasias aggenitou paidiou    (OTEnet)
        Linux.gr (HOL) :-)
klp klp klp

Kathara thema dimosiwn sxesewn.

> 
> Se parapempo sto katastatiko
> http://w4u.eexi.gr/~mlilos/eexi/katastatiko.htm
> ..kai stous skopous ths
> http://www.eexi.gr/greek/innerweb/target.html
> 
> Tora gia poio logo den eisai esy melos einai diko sou provlima
> Einai alloi xilioi... poloi apo tous opoious den exoun dialup apo  thn
> EEXI

Kai einai gyrw stous 80.000 oi xristes tou Internet stin Ellada. To oti stin
eexi einai 1000 (pou mallon einai 5000 kai oxi 1000) den simainei tipota, etsi?

Teleytaia fora pou koitaksa (1995, opote ekana kai ena seminario EPI PLIRWMI), i
syndromi melous kostize oso i syndromi se kapoion ISP.
Twra an kapoioi einai meli, plirwnoun 70.000 to xrono kai DEN xrisimopoioun to
dialup tis EEXI, den to kserw kai ayto DEN einai diko mou problima. Episis an
tote mou eixan pei psemmata sxetika me tis times, i an exei allaksei i EEXI tin
timologiaki tis politiki i otidipote allo, episis DEN einai diko mou problima.
Alla an einai na dwsw 70.000 se kapoion syllogo gia na kerdisw (ylistika to
simantikotero) kapoia ekptwsi se seminaria pou den exw ton xrono na kanw (kai
den xreiazomai pleon) kai mia dialup syndesi, protimw na ta dwsw se kapoion ISP
me pio grigores grammes. Enw den exw kanena problima na dwsw 2.000 se kapoion
allo syllogo gia na kerdisw (pali me tin idia logiki) ena mail-forward, i kai
tipota (opws eixe ksekinisei stin arxi).

> Fysika os sylogos exei D.S. to opoio ananeonetai kaQe xrono

Kai mia A.E. episis :-)

> 
> Pame tora para kato
> 
> H taphnh mou gnomh:
> H EEXI einai isos o monadikos xoros pou mporei na enosei to synolo
> ton atomon pou Qygontai apo ta poio pano metra (an vevaia kynhQei sosta 
> logo tou afilokerdous kai amisQou xaraktira tou)

Nai, alla den thigontai mono oi xristes tou Internet, ara i EEXI prepei na
kanei stin akri kai na analabei i Enosi Prostasias Katanalwtwn i opws diabolo
ayti legetai. Etsi? AN bebaia poume oti i EEXI tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous
xristes tou Internet, pou einai yposynolo twn syndromitwn tou OTE, mporoume
apla na poume oti kai o HELLUG tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous linuxades, pou einai
yposynolo twn xristwn tou Internet. Idia logiki einai.

> 
> Fysika se synergasia me tous allous

Fysika. Kai telika ayto einai to thema. Na min ginoun memonomenes kiniseis.
Eksallou to ksekatharisa sto proigoumeno mail mou, oti AN telika to
ksekinisoume, tote tha enimerwsoume kai tha kalesoume se systrateysi tous
pantes.

> 
> Vlepeis oi ypoloipoi tesereis vriskoun thn ysxh tous mesa apo thn
> epagkelmatikh tous enasxolhsh  eno h ENOSH apo thn dynamh pou exei sto
> synolo ton atomon ths

To opoio einai poly mikro se sxesi me tous pelates olwn twn ISPs, ara i piesi
tha einai megalyteri apo tous ISPs? H mipws prepei na milaei kapoios oso mikros
ki an einai? Giati an isxyei ayto, tote exei kai o HELLUG logo.

> Giayto pisteyo oti Qa prepei na enoQoume me thn sygkentrosh ths EEXI
> Giati auto pou Qigete den einai o kiklos ergasion ton ISP's alla h tseph
> mas....

Kanena problima, alla egw exw account se matrix, acropolis kai forthnet kai DEN
enimervthika apo tin EEXI. Oute o HELLUG episis. 
Kai an den itan kapoia meli tis EEXI edw mesa, den tha to mathainame akoma.
Sto de site tis EEXI den yparxei tipota. Mallon pasxei epikoinwniaka i EEXI,
den nomizeis?

> 
> Panta Filika 
> 

Nai, se pistevw, eksalou den exoume tipota na xwrisoume.

> p.s. Oso  gia to HELLUG einai ena User Group neosystato xoris arketa meloi

Kai ayto se KAMIA PERIPTWSI den simainei oti prepei na to boulwnei kai na
afinei allous na bgaloun to fidi apo tin trypa. 
Kai o typos apo tin Bostoni einai enas mono kai malista stin Ameriki, alla
ksekinise kati me ena banner, kai ayti ti stigmi kati kineitai, etsi?

An twra i lista (diladi o HELLUG) pistevei oti den prepei na kanoume tipota ws
syllogos, wrganwmena, alla o kathenas monos tou ws melos tis eexi, kanena
problima. Apo douleia me glytwnete outws i allws.

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Xronia polla,

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