From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 15 10:41:37 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:41:37 +0300 Subject: SYNANTHSH (was: Re: Hellenic Linux Distribution & Support) Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980415104137.006aa2ac@freemail.gr> Egine kai i triti synantisi tin Triti 14/4. Brethikame oi Georgatos Fotis, Sotiropoulos Sotiris, Kokras Nikos kai Maistrelis Kostas. To Epomeno Rantevou 8a ine kiriaki 26/4 pali stin platia e3arxion sto cafe floral mexri tote 8a 3anaginei anakinosei.. entometa3i meta apo sinenoisi me ton Niko Kokra 8a mporoyme na sinexisoume tis sizitiseis sto IRC me evnoikous orous, opote 8a mporoun na simetasxoun oloi. Gia perisoteres leptomeries stelno 3exoristo gramma. Oso Afora tin diadikasia silogou: gia na mporesei o silogos na anagnoristei episima (na apoktisei nomiko prosopo os mh kerdoskopikos silogos) xriazonte ta e3is: -to ligotero 20 ypografes apo ta idritika meloi -100.000 - 150.000 pou 8a varinoun ta idritika meloi -enan dikigoro -kai ena katastatiko Oso perisotera idritika meloi mazeftoun toso ligotera xrimata 8a analogoun ston ka8ena opote... oso afora to katastatiko kapooi exoun 3ekinisei na vroun ena apo kapio paraplisio silogo kai na to metatrepsoyn gia na to ri3oun sti lista. Se afti tin doylia vevea xriazete kai dikigoros.. Opios exei sxesi me kapio silogo kai mporei na promi8efsei ti lista me kapio tipiko katastatiko 8a voi8ouse poli. gia tin Dianomi: Prepei na Katarti8ei mia lista me tis ergasies poy xriazonte gia tin dimioyrgia tis dianomis etsi oste na mporoume na doume pos telika mporei na sinisferei o ka8enas mas. (Oso afto mporei na ine aftonomo apo kapies ales apofaseis poy prepei na par8oun) Gia tin epilogi tis dianomis, O Georgatos Fotis exei 3ekinisei idi na e3etazei to pos mporei na xrisimopoii8oi to SuSe. -- Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 15 10:42:06 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:42:06 +0300 Subject: IRC (was: Re: Hellenic Linux Distribution & Support) Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980415104206.006aabe8@freemail.gr> Meta apo paremvasi toy Kokra Nikou pirame tin protovoulia na 3ekinisoyme tis on-line sizitiseis sto kanali linux-gr tou diktiou IRCNET oi servers stin Ellada ine oi: IRC.EE.EGNATIA.GR:6667 IRC.FORTHNET.GR:6667 :666 PROSOXI OXI STO LINUX-GR tou diktiou GR-NET H epilogi toy sigkekrimenoy diktiou-kanaliou egine me ta e3is: iparxei i dinatotita log ton sizitiseon kai anevasma toys se FTP iparxei i dinatotita psifoforias meso kapion robots tou kanaliou Gia na apofasistoun oi Hmeres kai ores pou 8a mazevomaste protinoume ton e3is algori8mo: PROTASI MAS: KIRIAKH 23:30 DEFTERA 23:30 apo simera kai os tin kiriaki tou pasxa stelnete mail stin lista toy Hellug me tis meres-ores pou protinete ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ san reply sto mail: IRC-DIMOSKOPISI 8a 3ekiniso ego me tis proanafer8ises ores - meres. PARAKALO MIN SIMPERILAVANETE TIS PROIGOYMENES APANTISEIS gia na min ginei mperdema.. ego (kai opios alos 8elei) mazevo ta mail kai analoga pios sindiasmos meras oras ine o pio dimofilis ton anakinono stin lista kai 3ekiname.. H SIZITISI 8a katagrafete se LOG arxeio Parakaloume na kratame to epipedo tis sizitisis IPSILO kai na xrisimopoioume ali8ina onomata opote na 3eroyme pioi imaste. -- Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 15 10:42:28 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:42:28 +0300 Subject: IRC-DIMOSKOPISI Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980415104228.006ae444@freemail.gr> KIRIAKH 23:30 DEFTERA 23:30 -- From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 15 10:48:26 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:48:26 +0300 Subject: SYNANTHSH Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980415104826.0069fcf8@freemail.gr> Egine kai i triti synantisi tin Triti 14/4. Brethikame oi Georgatos Fotis, Sotiropoulos Sotiris, Kokras Nikos kai Maistrelis Kostas. To Epomeno Rantevou 8a ine kiriaki 26/4 pali stin platia e3arxion sto cafe floral mexri tote 8a 3anaginei anakinosei.. entometa3i meta apo sinenoisi me ton Niko Kokra 8a mporoyme na sinexisoume tis sizitiseis sto IRC me evnoikous orous, opote 8a mporoun na simetasxoun oloi. Gia perisoteres leptomeries stelno 3exoristo gramma. Oso Afora tin diadikasia silogou: gia na mporesei o silogos na anagnoristei episima (na apoktisei nomiko prosopo os mh kerdoskopikos silogos) xriazonte ta e3is: -to ligotero 20 ypografes apo ta idritika meloi -100.000 - 150.000 pou 8a varinoun ta idritika meloi -enan dikigoro -kai ena katastatiko Oso perisotera idritika meloi mazeftoun toso ligotera xrimata 8a analogoun ston ka8ena opote... oso afora to katastatiko kapooi exoun 3ekinisei na vroun ena apo kapio paraplisio silogo kai na to metatrepsoyn gia na to ri3oun sti lista. Se afti tin doylia vevea xriazete kai dikigoros.. Opios exei sxesi me kapio silogo kai mporei na promi8efsei ti lista me kapio tipiko katastatiko 8a voi8ouse poli. gia tin Dianomi: Prepei na Katarti8ei mia lista me tis ergasies poy xriazonte gia tin dimioyrgia tis dianomis etsi oste na mporoume na doume pos telika mporei na sinisferei o ka8enas mas. (Oso afto mporei na ine aftonomo apo kapies ales apofaseis poy prepei na par8oun) Gia tin epilogi tis dianomis, O Georgatos Fotis exei 3ekinisei idi na e3etazei to pos mporei na xrisimopoii8oi to SuSe. -- Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 15 10:49:37 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:49:37 +0300 Subject: IRC Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980415104937.006a1a28@teemail.tee.gr> Meta apo paremvasi toy Kokra Nikou pirame tin protovoulia na 3ekinisoyme tis on-line sizitiseis sto kanali linux-gr tou diktiou IRCNET oi servers stin Ellada ine oi: IRC.EE.EGNATIA.GR:6667 IRC.FORTHNET.GR:6667 :666 PROSOXI OXI STO LINUX-GR tou diktiou GR-NET H epilogi toy sigkekrimenoy diktiou-kanaliou egine me ta e3is: iparxei i dinatotita log ton sizitiseon kai anevasma toys se FTP iparxei i dinatotita psifoforias meso kapion robots tou kanaliou Gia na apofasistoun oi Hmeres kai ores pou 8a mazevomaste protinoume ton e3is algori8mo: PROTASI MAS: KIRIAKH 23:30 DEFTERA 23:30 apo simera kai os tin kiriaki tou pasxa stelnete mail stin lista toy Hellug me tis meres-ores pou protinete ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ san reply sto mail: IRC-DIMOSKOPISI 8a 3ekiniso ego me tis proanafer8ises ores - meres. PARAKALO MIN SIMPERILAVANETE TIS PROIGOYMENES APANTISEIS gia na min ginei mperdema.. ego (kai opios alos 8elei) mazevo ta mail kai analoga pios sindiasmos meras oras ine o pio dimofilis ton anakinono stin lista kai 3ekiname.. H SIZITISI 8a katagrafete se LOG arxeio Parakaloume na kratame to epipedo tis sizitisis IPSILO kai na xrisimopoioume ali8ina onomata opote na 3eroyme pioi imaste. -- ,,, __.---------------------------.___ (o o) |__| www.fidonet.org |___| ||| __ooO_(_)_Ooo__|__| Save the Dream of BBSing |_|_| 6(o o) |__|__|___|___|__|_| www.linux.org |___|// ( ) | Maistrelis Kostas| promote free software |_|_|\\-\ /\. | fm94 at tee.gr |__|_| against commercialization |___| `, : || | fm94 at freemail.gr_`---------------------------'_|_| |-._|/ | icq.mail:|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \| | | 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com ___|___|___|___|___|_| | |\ |__|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_o_|___|___|____(_)_)_____gcc_prog.__ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 15 10:51:44 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:51:44 +0300 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980415105144.006a7fbc@freemail.gr> Meta apo paremvasi toy Kokra Nikou pirame tin protovoulia na 3ekinisoyme tis on-line sizitiseis sto kanali linux-gr tou diktiou IRCNET oi servers stin Ellada ine oi: IRC.EE.EGNATIA.GR:6667 IRC.FORTHNET.GR:6667 :666 PROSOXI OXI STO LINUX-GR tou diktiou GR-NET H epilogi toy sigkekrimenoy diktiou-kanaliou egine me ta e3is: iparxei i dinatotita log ton sizitiseon kai anevasma toys se FTP iparxei i dinatotita psifoforias meso kapion robots tou kanaliou Gia na apofasistoun oi Hmeres kai ores pou 8a mazevomaste protinoume ton e3is algori8mo: PROTASI MAS: KIRIAKH 23:30 DEFTERA 23:30 apo simera kai os tin kiriaki tou pasxa stelnete mail stin lista toy Hellug me tis meres-ores pou protinete ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ san reply sto mail: IRC-DIMOSKOPISI 8a 3ekiniso ego me tis proanafer8ises ores - meres. PARAKALO MIN SIMPERILAVANETE TIS PROIGOYMENES APANTISEIS gia na min ginei mperdema.. ego (kai opios alos 8elei) mazevo ta mail kai analoga pios sindiasmos meras oras ine o pio dimofilis ton anakinono stin lista kai 3ekiname.. H SIZITISI 8a katagrafete se LOG arxeio Parakaloume na kratame to epipedo tis sizitisis IPSILO kai na xrisimopoioume ali8ina onomata opote na 3eroyme pioi imaste. -- Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From valotas at hol.gr Wed Apr 15 14:23:25 1998 From: valotas at hol.gr (Valotasios George) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:23:25 +0300 Subject: test - delete imediatelly !!! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980415142320.00753234@mail.hol.gr> >test-test . . . _____________________________________________________ -= Valotasios George | Why you go somewhere on foot, -= valotas at hol.gr | when you can use your car ? From roryt at hol.gr Tue Apr 21 05:00:56 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:00:56 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Pou briskomaste ? Message-ID: Meta thn (arketa thermh) perasmenh bdomada, ksafnika epese akra toy tafou sioph. Katalabainw oti mesolabhse Pasxa, alla na mhn afhsoume to thema na kriwsei. Ti exei simbei mexri twra apo sizitiseis mesw sinantisewn/irc ? I.Ioannou From roryt at hol.gr Thu Apr 23 08:21:40 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:21:40 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: hellug Message-ID: Tin perasmenh bdomada to thema toy hellug htan hot. Tora kai lista fiaxtike gia ayto, kai sinantiseis eginan, kai irc stithike, ma egw blepw akra toy tafou sioph kai ksefouskwma. Pou briskomaste ? (PARAKALW apanthseis sthn hellug kai oxi sthn greek-users) I.Ioannou From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri Apr 24 09:31:10 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:31:10 +0300 Subject: SYNANTHSH Kiriaki 26/4 E3arxia Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980424093110.006a55d8@freemail.gr> YPEN8IMISH: H metapasxalinh SYNANTHSH gia ta 8emata tis Dianomis kai toy Sylogou ine: kiriaki 26/4 , platia e3arxion sto cafe floral na eistai oloi ekei :-)) From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Fri Apr 24 10:29:57 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:29:57 +0300 Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?=C1=D0=3A_SYNANTHSH_Kiriaki_26=2F4_E3arxia?= Message-ID: Ti ora ??? T. From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri Apr 24 09:49:24 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:49:24 +0300 Subject: SYNANTHSH Kiriaki 26/4 E3arxia In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980424093110.006a55d8@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980424094924.006b7fd4@freemail.gr> At 09:31 ?? 24/4/1998 +0300, you wrote: >YPEN8IMISH: >H metapasxalinh SYNANTHSH gia ta 8emata tis Dianomis kai toy Sylogou ine: >kiriaki 26/4 , platia e3arxion sto cafe floral > >na eistai oloi ekei :-)) > > O DEMON TOY TIPOGRAFEIOY 3ANAXTIPA KYRIAKH ORA: 18:00 From vis at epsilon.com.gr Fri Apr 24 09:31:11 1998 From: vis at epsilon.com.gr (voulariba) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:31:11 +0300 Subject: hellug References: Message-ID: <354031AF.CCB41380@epsilon.com.gr> > Tin perasmenh bdomada to thema toy hellug htan hot. Tora kai lista > fiaxtike gia ayto, kai sinantiseis eginan, kai irc stithike, ma egw > blepw akra toy tafou sioph kai ksefouskwma. Pou briskomaste ? > (PARAKALW apanthseis sthn hellug kai oxi sthn greek-users) Na ypothesw oti leipoun oloi h den exei graftei kaneis allos sth lista; To mono pou eixa akousei einai gia kapoia synantish thn Kyriakh tou Thwma (methavrio dhaladh) me thema thn idrysh tou "hellug". Alla den kserw oute pou oute akrivh wra. Egw tha parw ena katastatiko apo kapoious filous pou molis idrysan ena mh kerdoskopiko syllogo wste na paroume mia idea. Tha prepei omws na syzhththei apo th lista ti tha grapsoume sto katastatiko (poios einai o skopos tou syllogou klp.). Afou apofasisoume ti theloume, tha prepei na to syntaksoume me th bohtheia enos dikhgorou kai na to ypograpsoun toulaxiston 20-25 atoma. --Voula Sanida From glavas at ceid.upatras.gr Fri Apr 24 13:59:44 1998 From: glavas at ceid.upatras.gr (Glavas Orestis) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:59:44 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: IRC kanali gia distribution/hellug In-Reply-To: <354031AF.CCB41380@epsilon.com.gr> Message-ID: Paidia,mporei kapoios na moy ypen8ymisei poio einai to kanali sto IRC gia to 8ema toy distribution giati to exv xasei logv texnikvn problhmatvn? Orestis Glavas From roryt at hol.gr Sat Apr 25 10:11:56 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:11:56 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Re^2: hellug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 25-Apr-98 I.Ioannou wrote: > On 24-Apr-98 Christos Ricudis wrote: >> thn diey8ynsh helug at paiko.gr kai 8a >> kanonisw ta >> ypoloipa. > > Eeee, kathiste na bgalo to restriction gia non-members , eee!!!! > Twra paw. Loipon, kai h hellug at paiko einai mesa, kai to restriction bghke. Christo stise to getaway I.Ioannou From fm94 at freemail.gr Sat Apr 25 21:04:56 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:04:56 +0300 Subject: IRC kanali gia distribution/hellug In-Reply-To: References: <354031AF.CCB41380@epsilon.com.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980425210456.00759524@freemail.gr> At 01:59 ?? 24/4/1998 +0300, you wrote: >Paidia,mporei kapoios na moy ypen8ymisei poio einai to kanali sto IRC gia >to 8ema toy distribution giati to exv xasei logv texnikvn problhmatvn? > >Orestis Glavas oi server einai irc.forthnet.gr:6667 irc.ee.auth.gr:6667,6666,6660,7001 kanali linux-gr kai hmeres: KIRIAKH 23:30 DEFTERA 23:30 Ante na doyme.. From fm94 at freemail.gr Sat Apr 25 21:09:06 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:09:06 +0300 Subject: hellug In-Reply-To: <354031AF.CCB41380@epsilon.com.gr> References: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980425210906.0075d550@freemail.gr> >Na ypothesw oti leipoun oloi h den exei graftei kaneis allos sth lista; >To mono pou eixa akousei einai gia kapoia synantish thn Kyriakh tou >Thwma (methavrio dhaladh) me thema thn idrysh tou "hellug". Alla den >kserw oute pou oute akrivh wra. Re pedia Mi varate estila kapaki minima me tin ora kanis den to ide: --YPEN8IMISH: --H metapasxalinh SYNANTHSH gia ta 8emata tis Dianomis kai toy Sylogou ine: --kiriaki 26/4 , platia e3arxion sto cafe floral -- --na eistai oloi ekei :-)) -- -- --O DEMON TOY TIPOGRAFEIOY 3ANAXTIPA -- --KYRIAKH ORA: 18:00 ,,, __.---------------------------.___ (o o) |__| www.fidonet.org |___| ||| __ooO_(_)_Ooo__|__| Save the Dream of BBSing |_|_| 6(o o) |__|__|___|___|__|_| www.linux.org |___|// ( ) | Maistrelis Kostas| promote free software |_|_|\\-\ /\. | fm94 at tee.gr |__|_| against commercialization |___| `, : || | fm94 at freemail.gr_`---------------------------'_|_| |-._|/ | icq.mail:|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \| | | 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com ___|___|___|___|___|_| | |\ |__|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_o_|___|___|____(_)_)_____gcc_prog.__ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From fm94 at freemail.gr Sun Apr 26 22:07:41 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:07:41 +0300 Subject: SYNANTISH APOTELESMATA Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980426220741.006a83e4@freemail.gr> Egine i sinantisi sta e3arxia parakato metafero afta pou ipo8ikan-apofasistikan Ayto 8a prepei na einai kai to telefteo minima poy apasxoli tin lista Linux-gr, H sinexia se oti exei na kanei me ton silogo kai tin Elliniki dianomi 8a prepei na sinexistei stin lista Hellug Episis to akolou8o minima yparxei kai se attatchment sto telos me Ellinika elot-928. ====================================================================== Praktika ths sunanthshs 26/4/98 ------------------------------- Kata th sunanthsh auth parabre8hkan oi e3hs: Gewrgatos Fwths, Sanida Boula, Papakwstas Euripidhs, Soldatos 8eodwros, Kamprianhs Mixalhs, Maistrelhs Kwstas Nairos Panagiwths, Kougios Kwnstantinos. 3ekinhse epishma mia prospa8eia sugkentrwshs ulikou p.x katastatika allwn sullogwn, prwtes idees, anazhthsh prwtwn melwn klp. H sunexeia ths prospa8eias apofasisthke na ginetai mesw ths listas hellug wste pleon na summetexoun isotima kai autoi pou antimetwpizoun duskolia na summetexoun "fusika". Eipw8hkan ta e3hs : O sullogos einai ellhnikos kai nomika prepei na ferei kapoio ellhniko onoma. Sunh8izetai (blepe katastatiko filwn TEX klp.) na prokuptei ws akrwnumio ellhnikwn le3ewn. Gia na mh dhmiourgh8ei problhma apo xorhgies, dwrees apo mh melh p.x computers, stands se ek8eseis klp. 8a prepei sthn onomasia mas na feroume tis le3eis "Filoi Linux". Ara san paradeigma (kai proteinomenh onomasia) ENWSH XRHSTWN KAI FILWN LINOU3 ELLADAS (EXFLE) To antiais8htiko auto onoma 8a xrhsimopoieitai mono sta epishma xartia kai eggrafa. To onoma me to opoio o sullogos 8a proballetai pros ta e3w 8a einai HELLUG (opws kai ta alla LUGs). San sfragida, pou apaiteitai na einai stroggulh, me perifereiaka thn onomasia mas kai to etos idrushs. proteinetai sto kentro na uparxei o pigkouinos me thn ellhnikh shmaia sto stoma (opoios ton zwgrafise na mas pei to Ok). To HELLUG apotelei ton panellhnio sullogo xrhstwn kai filwn tou Linux. Ta melh mporoun na summetexoun eite mesw listas eite kai me fusikh parousia (oi idioi h mesw ekproswpou tous) otan kai an auto apaiteitai p.x. sth sumbolaiografikh pra3h. Me auto ton tropo e3asfalizoume idio dikaiwma summetoxhs kai logou se olous ane3arthta apo ton topo diamonhs. Ane3arthta me to pws dialegoun na epikoinwnoun meta3u tous ta melh anepishma p.x IRC, topikes sugkentrwseis, kafedes, mpouzoukia klp. epishma oi apofaseis tous 8a ekfrazontai kai 8a gnwstopoiountai mono mesw enos koina apodektou kanaliou (h HELLUG mailing list) wste na mhn uparxoun pare3hghseis kai oloi na moirazontai thn idia plhroforia. Logw megaluterou ari8mou xrhstwn sthn A8hna, dikhgorwn, gnwstwn mas sumbolaiografwn klp. proteinoume thn edra tou sullogou sthn A8hna. Ean apaiteitai pragmatikh dieu8unsh, thlefwno klp. xwris kammia forologikh epibarunsh kai allh sunepeia, o E. Papakwstas diati8etai na dhlwsei to spiti tou ws edra tou sullogou. O sullogos 8a exei ethsia sundromh kai eggrafh. Ta e3oda gia thn idrush pou peripou 8a einai 100-200 xiliades diairoumeno me to minimum ari8mo melwn (20) 8etoun thn eggrafh anagkastika meta3u twn 5-10 xiliadwn draxmwn. Ean eggrafoun perissoteroi, to poso 8a einai mikrotero. Se ka8e periptwsh, prepei na mazeutei auto to poso alliws den ufistatai sullogos. Ka8e melos, ektos apo oikonomikes upoxrewseis (Mikrh Ethsia sundromh p.x. 2.000) 8a exei kai organwtikes p.x suggrafh katastatikou, user support, metafraseis, eishghths se seminario, parousia se stand ek8esewn (analoga bebaia me tis dunatothtes tou). Mesa stous skopous tou HELLUG einai h susfi3h twn desmwn twn Hellinuxers, h organwsh tous pros drasthriothtes pou 8a proagoun to Linux sthn Ellada (dianomes Linux, seminaria, parousia se ek8eseis, plhroforiako uliko, metafraseis, ar8ra, gnwstopoihsh 8esewn ergasias sxetikwn me Linux) ka8ws kai die8nhs probolh (sunergasia me alla LUGs, dhmiourgia greek local settings, uposthri3h arxaiwn ellhnikwn, e3ellhnismos paketwn klp.) Mesw tou sullogou mporoume na epituxoume xorhgies, ekptwseis, free sundromes, sebasmo apo periodika, xwro se sthles klp. Suntoma 8a anarth8ei prwth version tou katastatikou dia8esimh pros sxoliasmo, tropopoihseis (panta mesw ths listas) sto http://www.linux.gr se txt morfh. Opoios endiaferetai na summetasxei ws melos tou sullogou (panta mesw ths listas) na dhlwsei endiaferon. Epeidh ka8e douleia prepei na exei ena xroniko orizonta, sto telos Iouniou 8a prepei na exei suntax8ei oristiko katastatiko, bre8oun ta apaitoumena melh, ka8oristoun oi sundromes kai katablh8oun ta lefta sto atomo pou 8a apofasistei wste na kinh8ei kai to nomiko meros. Ean den to exoume kataferei mexri tote, den uparxei kanenas logos dhmiourgias sullogou (asumfwnies, adiaforia, elleiyh xrhmatwn klp.) kai h katastash 8a sunexistei ws exei xwris kanena epishmo sullogo na mas antiproswpeuei. =========================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- ====================================================================== ???????? ??? ?????????? 26/4/98 ------------------------------- ???? ?? ????????? ???? ???????????? ?? ????: ????????? ?????, ?????? ?????, ?????????? ?????????, ???????? ????????, ?????????? ???????, ?????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????, ??????? ????????????. ???????? ??????? ??? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ?.? ??????????? ????? ????????, ?????? ?????, ????????? ?????? ????? ???. ? ???????? ??? ??????????? ???????????? ?? ??????? ???? ??? ?????? hellug ???? ????? ?? ??????????? ??????? ??? ????? ??? ?????????????? ???????? ?? ??????????? "??????". ????????? ?? ???? : ? ???????? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? ?????. ??????????? (????? ??????????? ????? TEX ???.) ?? ????????? ?? ????????? ????????? ??????. ??? ?? ?? ???????????? ???????? ??? ????????, ?????? ??? ?? ???? ?.? computers, stands ?? ???????? ???. ?? ?????? ???? ???????? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? "????? Linux". ??? ??? ?????????? (??? ???????????? ????????) ????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? (?????) ?? ????????????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????????? ???? ??? ??????? ?????? ??? ???????. ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ? ???????? ?? ??????????? ???? ?? ??? ?? ????? HELLUG (???? ??? ?? ???? LUGs). ??? ????????, ??? ?????????? ?? ????? ?????????, ?? ???????????? ??? ???????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???????. ??????????? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ? ?????????? ?? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ????? (?????? ??? ????????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ??). ?? HELLUG ???????? ??? ?????????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????? ??? Linux. ?? ???? ??????? ?? ??????????? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? (?? ????? ? ???? ?????????? ????) ???? ??? ?? ???? ?????????? ?.?. ??? ???????????????? ?????. ?? ???? ??? ????? ????????????? ???? ???????? ?????????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?????????? ??? ??? ???? ????????. ?????????? ?? ?? ??? ????????? ?? ???????????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ????????? ?.? IRC, ??????? ?????????????, ???????, ?????????? ???. ??????? ?? ????????? ???? ?? ??????????? ??? ?? ??????????????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????????? ???????? (? HELLUG mailing list) ???? ?? ??? ???????? ???????????? ??? ???? ?? ??????????? ??? ???? ??????????. ???? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ???? ?????, ?????????, ??????? ??? ??????????????? ???. ??????????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ???? ?????. ??? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????, ???????? ???. ????? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ???? ????????, ? ?. ?????????? ?????????? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????????. ? ???????? ?? ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ???????. ?? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? ?? ????? 100-200 ???????? ??????????? ?? ?? minimum ?????? ????? (20) ?????? ??? ??????? ??????????? ?????? ??? 5-10 ???????? ???????. ??? ????????? ????????????, ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????????. ?? ???? ?????????, ?????? ?? ???????? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ????????? ????????. ???? ?????, ????? ??? ??????????? ??????????? (????? ?????? ???????? ?.?. 2.000) ?? ???? ??? ??????????? ?.? ???????? ????????????, user support, ???????????, ????????? ?? ?????????, ???????? ?? stand ???????? (??????? ?????? ?? ??? ??????????? ???). ???? ????? ??????? ??? HELLUG ????? ? ??????? ??? ?????? ??? Hellinuxers, ? ???????? ???? ???? ?????????????? ??? ?? ???????? ?? Linux ???? ?????? (???????? Linux, ?????????, ???????? ?? ????????, ???????????? ?????, ???????????, ?????, ???????????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ?? Linux) ????? ??? ??????? ??????? (?????????? ?? ???? LUGs, ?????????? greek local settings, ?????????? ??????? ?????????, ???????????? ??????? ???.) ???? ??? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????????? ????????, ?????????, free ?????????, ??????? ??? ?????????, ???? ?? ?????? ???. ??????? ?? ????????? ????? version ??? ???????????? ????????? ???? ?????????, ????????????? (????? ???? ??? ??????) ??? http://www.linux.gr ?? txt ?????. ?????? ???????????? ?? ??????????? ?? ????? ??? ???????? (????? ???? ??? ??????) ?? ??????? ??????????. ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????, ??? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????????, ??????? ?? ??????????? ????, ??????????? ?? ????????? ??? ??????????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?? ??????????? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ?????. ??? ??? ?? ?????? ????????? ????? ????, ??? ??????? ??????? ????? ??????????? ???????? (??????????, ?????????, ??????? ???????? ???.) ??? ? ????????? ?? ?????????? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????????????. =========================================================================== From roryt at hol.gr Mon Apr 27 00:41:09 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:41:09 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: SYNANTISH APOTELESMATA In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980426220741.006a83e4@freemail.gr> Message-ID: Kata arxh, bravo, kai kalh synexeia. On 26-Apr-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > (opoios ton zwgrafise na mas pei to Ok). Einai o Nikos o Araxwbas (infonick at hol.gr) , pou distixws aythn thn epoxh den parakolouthei ta tektenomena sto Net. Tha toy metaferw egw ayto alla kata 99,99% den tha exei antirish. Isa isa ... > Opoios endiaferetai na summetasxei ws melos tou sullogou > (panta mesw ths listas) na dhlwsei endiaferon. Den to sizitaw, mesa kai egw, kai elpizw apo dw kai pera na mporw na simetasxw kai poio energa :-) I.Ioannou From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Apr 27 08:43:26 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:43:26 +0300 Subject: Na metriomaste kiolas Message-ID: <35441AFE.59941EEC@ametro.gr> Oraia, vlepo to sistima arxizei na doulevei... Theoro (peite an kano lathos) pos peripou osoi einai sti lista, tha einai kai meli tou HELLUG. Telos panton gia na to sigourevoume, opoios simfonei as stilei ena minima pos einai mesa, gia na arxisoume na metriomaste. Mipos kai borei kapoios na kanei mia katagrafi (onoma, tilefono, mail, dievthinsi) me osous (tixon) apantane kai dilonontai?. Tha xreiastei. Kapoia stigmi an ta pragmata pane kala na vrethoun toulaxiston na ipograpsoun, dosoun sindromi klp. Re mousia (Kosta Maistreli) mia pou exeis kai tin lista ton atomon tou kaffe den ta kratas esi? (leo mipos) O Nikos Araxovas (infonick at hol.gr) leei na ton ipologizoume os melos klp. Ara na o protos. (Grafe Kosta!!) Ego loipon eimai mesa episis! (na enas devteros) Evripidis Papakostas Roumelis 10 153 41 Athina Thl: 6017123 Email: epapakostas at ametro.gr ,linux at ametro.gr, ep at rocketmail.com Ante na doume (18 akoma minane) From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Apr 27 09:08:16 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:08:16 +0300 Subject: Sorry re paidia, ti grafo, einai poli proi Message-ID: <354420D0.7FD8202C@ametro.gr> Poios nikos araxovas? oti thelo vlepo. Milao gia ton Panagioti Vrioni pou esteile stin users list. Ante na pio kai enan kafe na ksipniso :-) From dbouras at hol.gr Mon Apr 27 12:16:43 1998 From: dbouras at hol.gr (Dimitrios P. Bouras) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:16:43 +0300 Subject: SYNANTISH APOTELESMATA References: <3.0.2.32.19980426220741.006a83e4@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <35444CFB.4B5AFE25@hol.gr> Epishs "mesa". Oi proswpikes plhrofories einai oi parakatw: ????????? ?. ??????? ???.: (1) 968-0554 ? 894-1320 ???????? 41 E-Mail: dbouras at hol.gr, dimitri at ee.ubc.ca 166 74 ??????? Web: http://users.hol.gr/~dbouras ????? From yang at acropolis.net Mon Apr 27 18:15:13 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:15:13 +0300 Subject: SYNANTISH APOTELESMATA References: <3.0.2.32.19980426220741.006a83e4@freemail.gr> <35449FC3.2E1E1DB3@acropolis.net> Message-ID: <3544A100.4CB685D3@acropolis.net> Mesa kai egw ??????????? ??????? ????????? 28 10443 ????? ??? 5252341 E-mail yang at acropolis.net (ps* ta ellhnika einai meso toy grISOXKb-1.2 kai me thn eykairia na rothso ton Dhmhtri ton Boura giati den douleyei to Caps Lock,einai logiko i ego den ekana kati kalla??) From ricudis at paiko.gr Tue Apr 28 00:39:17 1998 From: ricudis at paiko.gr (Christos Ricudis) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:39:17 +0000 Subject: Re^2: Na metriomaste kiolas Message-ID: Hello Xristos! Xristos Athanasopoulos wrote to (Xristos Athanasopoulos about "Re: Na metriomaste kiolas": XA> Kalie ajexasa th diey8ynsh: Ksanasteile ta mails sou, de fygane (to paron exei kai 8esh test) Christos From roryt at hol.gr Tue Apr 28 08:56:57 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:56:57 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Na metriomaste kiolas In-Reply-To: <35441AFE.59941EEC@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 27-Apr-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > O Nikos Araxovas (infonick at hol.gr) leei na ton ipologizoume os melos > klp. Ara na o protos. (Grafe Kosta!!) Rong. Pls koita to From toy grammatos. Eipa oti tha rwthsw ton Niko an exei antirhsei na xrhsimopoihthei o piguinos sthn sfragida. H apanthsh einai ok gia ton piguino. I.Ioannou (BTW. Ta prosopika mou stoixeia pls otan xreiastei me prosopiko e-mail. Mhn ksexnate oti h lista bgainei se news-groups. An apofasistei poios tha ta mazeyei na ta steilw se ayton) From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Tue Apr 28 12:01:46 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:01:46 -0000 (GMT) Subject: SYNANTISH APOTELESMATA In-Reply-To: <3544A100.4CB685D3@acropolis.net> Message-ID: Ante, balte me kai mena... Thl. 5120179 Dyrraxioy 29 (Koita ta Sepolia perasi, me to Gianni to Gyftomitro, eimaste 2 pou menoume stin odo Dyrrahiiou!!!) Mixalis Kabrianis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens From voulariba at rocketmail.com Tue Apr 28 10:15:49 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ki allo melos Message-ID: <19980428071549.24113.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Na ypologizete ki emena gia melos : Sanida Voula Roumelis 10 153 41 Athina Thl: 6017123 Email: vis at epsilon.com.gr, voulariba at rocketmail.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Apr 28 10:59:03 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:59:03 +0300 Subject: ASSIGN #1: WHO GETS THE MEMBERLIST ? References: Message-ID: <35458C47.F4502D98@ametro.gr> Epeidi proekipse kai to thema ton private mails me to onoma mas kai tilefona klp. logo fovon dimosievsis tous ... Lete na mas kanoun kammia aisxri tilefoniki farsa tipotis paliopaida? OK! sevasto. Pantos, afou prokiptei thema, nomizo pos anepisima ta krataei o Kostas o Maistelis (AYTO DEN EINAI SIGOURO 100%). An oxi, diatithetai o Ioannou ? Kaneis allos ? An den vrethei allos ethelontis mexri avrio, theoreiste oti to analamvano ego kai i Voula. (Maistreli, Ioannou soste mas, exoume kai to katastatiko!) Alla kai sto katastatiko fantazomai eponyma kai me dievthinsi pane ta meli se simvoleografous klp. Na min xalasei gia tetoious logous to pragma diladi... Evripidis From theodore at eexi.gr Tue Apr 28 10:13:14 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:13:14 +0300 Subject: SYNANTISH APOTELESMATA References: <3544A100.4CB685D3@acropolis.net>, Message-ID: <3545818A.F52CD470@eexi.gr> Ki allos enas... Θοδωρής Σολδάτος Ραιδεστού 34 Νέα Φιλαδέλφεια 14341 Τηλ. 2521611 (Ta ypoloipa sto sig...) T. -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ From axrst at otenet.gr Tue Apr 28 19:51:11 1998 From: axrst at otenet.gr (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:51:11 +0300 Subject: Na metriomaste kiolas References: Message-ID: <354608FF.E4D2AA77@otenet.gr> Christos Ricudis wrote: > XA? Kalie ajexasa th diey8ynsh: > > Ksanasteile ta mails sou, de fygane > > (to paron exei kai 8esh test) Lopon exomen kai leme: Χρήστος Αθανασόπουλος Πάροδος Δροσίνη 4 ΤΚ. 272 00 ΑΜΑΛΙΑΔΑ τηλ. 0622-23982 Ennoeitai oti ayto einai deigma oti eimai mesa se ka8e kinhsh toy Hellug. (Elpizw ayth th fora na fygei...) Xrst. From roryt at hol.gr Wed Apr 29 01:49:48 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:49:48 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: ASSIGN #1: WHO GETS THE MEMBERLIST ? In-Reply-To: <35458C47.F4502D98@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 28-Apr-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Maistelis (AYTO DEN EINAI SIGOURO 100%). > An oxi, diatithetai o Ioannou ? > Kaneis allos ? > An den vrethei allos ethelontis mexri avrio, theoreiste oti to > analamvano ego kai i Voula. (Maistreli, Ioannou soste mas, exoume kai > to > katastatiko!) An o Maistrelhs den mporei tha ta analabo egw. An mporei (kai egw eimai pnigmenos) na sinenoithoume na parei ta hdh yparxonta (apo to archive ths listas) > Alla kai sto katastatiko fantazomai eponyma kai me dievthinsi pane ta > meli se simvoleografous klp. Na min xalasei gia tetoious logous to > pragma diladi... Oxi more, allo se ena eggrafo kai allo sto usenet !!! I.Ioannou From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Apr 29 08:58:22 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:58:22 +0300 Subject: ASSIGN #1: WHO GETS THE MEMBERLIST ? References: Message-ID: <3546C17E.4B6C9BC8@ametro.gr> > An den vrethei allos ethelontis mexri avrio, theoreiste oti to > > analamvano ego kai i Voula. (Maistreli, Ioannou soste mas, exoume kai > > to > > katastatiko!) Simera loipon einai avrio (poli psixedeliko afto). Ton Maistreli ton pira kai tilefono, den to vrika, den ksero an thelei o anthropos (an kai logika den tha eixe antirisi) alla gia na sinexizoume, menoun dio : Ioannou + Omillos Evripidis,Voula. Den exoume kai idiaitero provlima na to analavoume emeis. Akousa pos kai o Ioannou einai pnigmenos Opote an exei kapoios megali kapsa na mazevei to member list as to pei simera kai efxaristos na ta parei doro ola. An oxi, dika mas. Salut. From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 29 10:40:23 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:40:23 +0300 Subject: ASSIGN #1: WHO GETS THE MEMBERLIST ? In-Reply-To: <3546C17E.4B6C9BC8@ametro.gr> References: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980429104023.006c3854@freemail.gr> At 08:58 ?? 29/4/1998 +0300, you wrote: >> An den vrethei allos ethelontis mexri avrio, theoreiste oti to >> > analamvano ego kai i Voula. (Maistreli, Ioannou soste mas, exoume kai >> > to >> > katastatiko!) > >Simera loipon einai avrio (poli psixedeliko afto). >Ton Maistreli ton pira kai tilefono, den to vrika, den ksero an thelei o >anthropos (an kai logika den tha eixe antirisi) alla gia na sinexizoume, >menoun dio : Ioannou + Omillos Evripidis,Voula. >Den exoume kai idiaitero provlima na to analavoume emeis. Akousa pos kai >o Ioannou einai pnigmenos >Opote an exei kapoios megali kapsa na mazevei to member list as to pei >simera kai efxaristos na ta parei doro ola. An oxi, dika mas. > >Salut. > ENTA3 ,,, __.---------------------------.___ (o o) |__| www.fidonet.org |___| ||| __ooO_(_)_Ooo__|__| Save the Dream of BBSing |_|_| 6(o o) |__|__|___|___|__|_| www.linux.org |___|// ( ) | Maistrelis Kostas| promote free software |_|_|\\-\ /\. | fm94 at tee.gr |__|_| against commercialization |___| `, : || | fm94 at freemail.gr_`---------------------------'_|_| |-._|/ | icq.mail:|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \| | | 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com ___|___|___|___|___|_| | |\ |__|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_o_|___|___|____(_)_)_____gcc_prog.__ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 29 10:41:03 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:41:03 +0300 Subject: ASSIGN #1: WHO GETS THE MEMBERLIST ? In-Reply-To: <3546C17E.4B6C9BC8@ametro.gr> References: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980429104103.006c6aac@freemail.gr> At 08:58 ?? 29/4/1998 +0300, you wrote: >> An den vrethei allos ethelontis mexri avrio, theoreiste oti to >> > analamvano ego kai i Voula. (Maistreli, Ioannou soste mas, exoume kai >> > to >> > katastatiko!) > >Simera loipon einai avrio (poli psixedeliko afto). >Ton Maistreli ton pira kai tilefono, den to vrika, den ksero an thelei o >anthropos (an kai logika den tha eixe antirisi) alla gia na sinexizoume, >menoun dio : Ioannou + Omillos Evripidis,Voula. >Den exoume kai idiaitero provlima na to analavoume emeis. Akousa pos kai >o Ioannou einai pnigmenos >Opote an exei kapoios megali kapsa na mazevei to member list as to pei >simera kai efxaristos na ta parei doro ola. An oxi, dika mas. > >Salut. > ENTA3EI PEDIA TA PERNO... kanena provlima elipsa mia mera kai egine xamos :-) ,,, __.---------------------------.___ (o o) |__| www.fidonet.org |___| ||| __ooO_(_)_Ooo__|__| Save the Dream of BBSing |_|_| 6(o o) |__|__|___|___|__|_| www.linux.org |___|// ( ) | Maistrelis Kostas| promote free software |_|_|\\-\ /\. | fm94 at tee.gr |__|_| against commercialization |___| `, : || | fm94 at freemail.gr_`---------------------------'_|_| |-._|/ | icq.mail:|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \| | | 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com ___|___|___|___|___|_| | |\ |__|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_o_|___|___|____(_)_)_____gcc_prog.__ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 29 10:48:24 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:48:24 +0300 Subject: MEMBERLIST: opios den 8elei ta stixia toy xima sti lista edo Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980429104824.006a66c0@freemail.gr> Opios den 8elei na dimosiefsei ta stixia toy sti lista (logiko) mporei na ta stilei mail stin dief8insimou (fm94 at freemail.gr H fm94 at tee.gr) From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Apr 29 13:45:24 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:45:24 +0300 Subject: ASSIGN #1: WHO GETS THE MEMBERLIST ? References: <3.0.2.32.19980429104103.006c6aac@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <354704C4.7B5F5C07@ametro.gr> Ara Kostas Maistrelis is the name MemberList is the game! Ftina tin glitosame oi ipoloipoi... From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Apr 29 16:05:13 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:05:13 +0300 Subject: Member List.. mexri stigmis apotelesmata Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980429160513.006aac94@freemail.gr> mexri tora exoun dilosei 13 atoma kai einai aloi 5-6 pou exoun endiafer8ei genika kai tous exo stilei mail.. an endiaferei na stilo kai analitika onomata (mono onomata).. From voulariba at rocketmail.com Wed Apr 29 19:33:16 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO Message-ID: <19980429163316.17900.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Loipon emeis kaname ena katastatiko, to valame pros to paron sto linux.airtour.gr , sta nea themata. linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/290498a.html diavaste prin arxisete na stelnete sxolia. Kai mia pou milisame gia sxolia kai allages, poios einai gia to ASSIGN #2 : Tropopoiiseis Katastatikou (na vazei tis allages pou apofasizei i lista) O Photis tha to valei kapoia stigmi kai sto www.linux.gr... Salut. === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Wed Apr 29 21:16:38 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:16:38 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Leipei o Marths ap' thn Sarakosth? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980429160513.006aac94@freemail.gr> Message-ID: Xairetw toys sylistobious. Sas stelnw ta stoixeia mou. Phra kai to katastatiko gia homework. ---- On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > mexri tora exoun dilosei 13 atoma > kai einai aloi 5-6 pou exoun endiafer8ei genika > kai tous exo stilei mail.. H en Patrais dieythinsi genika den bolebei: Gewrgatos Fotis Aliartou 32, Lambrini TK11142, Athens GREECE Ta ypoloipa apo katw. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From glavas at hol.gr Thu Apr 30 02:15:14 1998 From: glavas at hol.gr (Orestis Glavas) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:15:14 +0300 Subject: Hellug Members...Ki egv mesa Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980430021508.006a5a94@mail.hol.gr> Eimai ki egv mesa, an kai den eimai kai toso proxvrhmenos apo Linux....... ???????? / Stoixeia ??????? ??????? / Orestis Glavas ?.?. 1212 / T.8. 1212 26110 ????? / 26110 Patra ???.061- 330260 / thl. 061-330260 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enallaktika: ?????????? ?????? 47 / Mpenizelou Roufou 47 26222 ????? / 26222 Patra Orestis Glavas ICQ UIN: 1365692 From roryt at hol.gr Thu Apr 30 06:39:45 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:39:45 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Member List.. mexri stigmis apotelesmata In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980429160513.006aac94@freemail.gr> Message-ID: On 29-Apr-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > mexri tora exoun dilosei 13 atoma > kai einai aloi 5-6 pou exoun endiafer8ei genika > kai tous exo stilei mail.. > > an endiaferei na stilo kai analitika onomata (mono onomata).. Endiaferetai kai o Nikos Araxwbas (infonick at hol.gr) kai aw mhn poly-mpainei internet aythn thn epoxh. Balton kai tha sou steilo ta stoixeia toy ayrio I.Ioannou From flouris at csi.forth.gr Thu Apr 30 10:22:14 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:22:14 +0300 Subject: Na metriomaste kiolas References: <354608FF.E4D2AA77@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <354826A6.6BAEE571@ics.forth.gr> Endiaferomai ki egw ki as eimai ligo makria ... Mixalis Flouris Odos Ethnikis Antistaseos, Gazi T.K.71202 Iraklio Krhths Thl. (081) 250060 (Spiti) (081) 391662 (Doyleia) Elpizw na enhmerwnete apo th lista gia tis ekselikseis giati einai o monos tropos poy mporw ayth th stigmh na symmetexw ... Salurdos amigos, Mike & -- //// (@ @) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oOO-\O/-OOo-=-=-=-= Mike D. Flouris - Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research & Technology, Hellas. http://www.ics.forth.gr/~flouris From kremidas at www.lrf.gr Thu Apr 30 21:41:39 1998 From: kremidas at www.lrf.gr (Kremmidas Kleanthis) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Endiaferomai kai egw gia to memberlist Message-ID: Loipon ta stoixeia mou einai: Onoma : Kremmidas Kleanthis Address : Sofouli 6, Agia Marina, Ilioupoli Phone : (+301) 9706440 Work : (+301) 3311848 T.K : 163-44 E-mail : kremidas at lrf.gr Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation(LRF) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From fm94 at freemail.gr Thu Apr 30 12:00:01 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:00:01 +0300 Subject: katastatiko Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980430120001.006a82f8@freemail.gr> Ego diati8ome na asxoli8o me tis tropopoiiseis toy katastatikou omos aftos pou 8a asxoli8ei 8a prepei na er8ei se sinergasia me aftous pou diazirizonte to site me to katastatiko Epi tis diadikasias gia na min pelagosoume protino i diadikasia alagis ar8ron na ginei me ton e3is tropo: aftoi pou diafonoun me mia alagi na stelnoun minima stin lista ean se 5 meres den diafonisei kanis i alagi na dimosievete se kenourio tropopiimeno katastatiko sto telos apofasizoyme to teliko katastatiko Episis to katastatiko ine sta ellinika.. afto isos dimioyrgei provlima ego stelno tis protes paratiriseis mou an iparxei provlima na tis stilo kai se greekenglish ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- ????????? ?????? ????? 10? ?? ???? ????????? ??????????? ??'?? ????????, ??????? ???????? ???????? ???? ?? ?.?. ?? ????? ??? ???????? ??????????? ???? ????????? ??? ????? ??? ?????????? ??? ??????????? ?????? ??? ????????. ? ????????? ??? ?????????????? ?? ??? ?? ???????? ????, ???? ?? ????????? ????? ? ?? ??????????? ???????????. Afto peri ekplirosis ikonomikon ofilon den exi poli noima mias kai opios den ikanopioi tis ofiles toy diagrafete vasi proigoymenou ar8ou opote mporei to melos na min plirosei kai na diagrafei oytos i alos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ia na min mple3oume me noveklatoura protino na kanoume ta 3 taktika meli 2. veva apo oti fantazome i pragmatiki me8odos prosegisis toy hellug 8a ine mesa apo kapio web site opote mono kai mono apo aftoys poy to sintiroun 8a pezoun tris ipografes.. opos to vlepete ------------------------ ???????????? ????????? ?.?. ?. ? ?????? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????? ??? ??? ?? ???????? ??????????. ??????? ??? ?????????? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ?????????? ??? ?????????? ??? ????????? ?? ????????? ???????? ????? ????????? ??? ?.?. ??? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ????????? ??? ? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ????????? ????????, ??? ????? ?????? ?? ???????????? ??? ????? ? ??????? ??? ????????? ??? ?.?., ?? ??? ????? ????????? ? ??????. ???????? ??????????? ??? ????????? ???????? ??? ??? ????????? ??? ?.?. ??? ????? ???? ????????. ? ????????? ?????? ?? ???????? ????????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?? ??????? ??????????? ???????. ? ?????? ????????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? ???????? ???. (50.000) ????????? ??????? ?? ??????????? ??'?? ?.?. ????????????? ???????? ??????? ??? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?????????. ? ??????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ????????. ? ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ???????? ???????? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?.?. ??? ????? ?????????????. ? ?????? ??????????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? ??? ?.? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ????????, ????? ???? ?????? ????????. ekeino to 50.000 den lamvanei ipopsi toy to pli8orismo.. avrio 50.000 mporei na perneis efimerida PROTINO: na proste8ei to poso na apofasizete apo to D.S. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- ? ????????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? ???????? ??? : 1. ????????????? ??? ????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ? ??? ???????? ??????? ??? ????????????? ??????? ???? ??????? ??? ????????. 2. ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????????? ?? ???? ??? ???????? ? ????? ????????????? ????????????. 3. ??????? ????????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ??????? ??? ?????????? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ????????. 4. ???????? ????????? ?? ?????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ??? ????????. 5. ????????? ??? ???????? ?? ????????, ???????? ???. ??? ??????? ??? ????? ???. - ????????????? ?????? ????? ??????, ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????? ??????? ??? ?.?. - ??????????? ??'????? ? ?????? ???????? ?????????? ??????? ? ??????? ??? ?.?. Afto peri xrimatoditisis melon silogou i triton mporei na dimiourgisei diafora provlimata.. vevea katalaveno ton logo pou mpike enoite xrimatodotisi gia na min iparxei zimia oxi kerdos nomizo pos mexri tora oloi mas doylevoyme afilokerdos.. kai me zimia sini8os nomizo oti malon 8a prepei na sinexistei etsi gia na min iparxoyn ipopsies peri esoterikis xrimatodotisis PROTINO: katargisi toy 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ???????? ??' ??????? ??????????? ????? 25? 1. ? ?.?. ??? ???????? ??????????? ??? ?? ?????????? ????????????? ???? ???. ?????????? ????????????? ????????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ????????? ??? ??????? ????????? ???? ?? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ???????? ??? ?????????? ? ?????? ?????????. Den anaferete san oikonomika taktopoiimenos aftos poy exei plirosei KAI tis ektaktes isfores afto nomizo ine sosto giati kapios mporei na min simfonei me mia kinisi i opoia apetei ektakti xrimatodotisi afto den 8a prepei na toy aferei to dikeoma psifoy PROTINO NA MINEI OS EXEI. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 1. ???????? ?.?. ???????????? ???? ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ?? ?.?. ? ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? 1/5 ??????????? ??? ????????? ??????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ?.?. ???? ????? ?? ???????????? ?? ????????? ??????. EDO xrisimopoiite o oros tamiakos enta3ei 8a prepei na xrisimopoii8ei enas enieos oros.. pantoy opos prin oikonomika taktopoiimenos From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Apr 30 13:28:04 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:28:04 +0300 Subject: SXOLIA KOSTA 3 30/4/98 References: <3.0.2.32.19980430120001.006a82f8@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <35485234.34B4B880@ametro.gr> (a) exoume souxe, polloi exoun paei sto site na doun to katastatiko (b) Sxetika me tou kosta, arithmisa ta themata oste opoios pleon stelnei na borei na pei THEMA 1=NAI, THEMA 2=Me tipota THEMA 3 = plires keimeno giati proteinei kati entelos diaforetiko klp. Loipon: THEMA 1 > PROTINO: > ΑΠΟΧΩΡΗΣΗ ΜΕΛΟΥΣ > ΑΡΘΡΟ 10ο > Τα μέλη αποχωρούν οικειοθελώς απ'το Σωματείο, κατόπιν εγγράφου δηλώσεως > προς το Δ.Σ. > Η αποχώρηση του γνωστοποιείται σε όλα τα υπόλοιπα μέλη, είτε με συμβατικό > τρόπο > ή με ηλεκτρονικό ταχυδρομείο. > Afto peri ekplirosis ikonomikon ofilon den exi poli noima mias kai opios > den ikanopioi tis > ofiles toy diagrafete vasi proigoymenou ar8ou opote mporei to melos na min > plirosei kai > na diagrafei oytos i alos.. Nai, sosta, alla edo einai dio diaforetikes katastaseis. H mia milaei gia oikeiotheli apoxorisi, opote plironeis kai fevgeis san kirios kai gnostopoieitai se olous i apoxorisi sou. H alli (pou den plironeis) odigei sto na se diagrapsei o sillogos (Geniki Sinelefsi, klp) mia pou etsi kai alloios den eisai entaksei se tipota. Fisika to apotelesma einai to idio. H diafora einai o tropos pou fevgeis. I monos kai OK, i ksout, psifoforia klp. I den mas thelei, i den ton theloume. Kalo einai na kseroume. Thimizo pos genika afta einai asfalistikes diklides. Den simainei pos anagastika tha tirountai. Prepei na exei ftasei sto aproxorito. Ara ego : OXI ************** THEMA 2 > > ΑΡΘΡΟ 6ο > Gia na min mple3oume me noveklatoura protino na kanoume ta 3 taktika meli 2. > veva apo oti fantazome i pragmatiki me8odos prosegisis toy hellug 8a ine > mesa apo kapio > web site opote mono kai mono apo aftoys poy to sintiroun 8a pezoun tris > ipografes.. > opos to vlepete Nai OK treis, dio, deka. Afto einai analogo tou arithmou mas kai tou an theloume na sigourevomaste pos opoios bainei einai "kalos" me tin ennoia oti ton kseroun kai kapoioi i dexontai prosopika na eggiontai gia afton. Me sinenesi X melon apofevgoume (panta thimizo pos milame gia asfalistikes diklides) pos enas p.x. Windows user (an X=1) vazei olous tous 30 filous tou, pleiopsifoun kai zitan dialisi tou sillogou. Tha prepei gia na arxisei i "isroi" tous na iparxoun idi X anthropoi pou na tin theloun. Ara X oti peite. ARA ego psifizo LEFKO oti peite ******* THEMA 3 > > ΑΡΜΟΔΙΟΤΗΤΕΣ ΣΥΜΒΟΥΛΩΝ Δ.Σ. > ekeino to 50.000 den lamvanei ipopsi toy to pli8orismo.. avrio 50.000 > mporei na perneis efimerida > PROTINO: > na proste8ei to poso na apofasizete apo to D.S. Sosto kai evelikto. An vevaia ebistevomaste to D.S. Panta boroume vasi allou arthrou meso G.S. na allazoume to Katastatiko kai ara kai to poso (diadikasia xronovora vevaia). Ara ego prifizo NAI *********** THEMA 4 > Afto peri xrimatoditisis melon silogou i triton mporei na dimiourgisei > diafora provlimata.. > vevea katalaveno ton logo pou mpike enoite xrimatodotisi gia na min iparxei > zimia oxi kerdos > nomizo pos mexri tora oloi mas doylevoyme afilokerdos.. kai me zimia sini8os > nomizo oti malon 8a prepei na sinexistei etsi gia na min iparxoyn ipopsies > peri esoterikis > xrimatodotisis > PROTINO: > katargisi toy 1 > Iparxoun periptoseis pou kapoia anathesei doulias (pes pos avrio exoume kai stegi) proipothetei poli ergasia. Kapoios apo mas ethelontika borei na tin kanei, alla iparxei megalos xronos apasxolisis kai thelei mono poso tou (megalou) olikou pou mas zitane ekso tritoi. Ara psifizo NA MEINEI ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ******* THEMA 5 > ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ ΣΤ' > ΓΕΝΙΚΕΣ ΣΥΝΕΛΕΥΣΕΙΣ > ΑΡΘΡΟ 25ο > Den anaferete san oikonomika taktopoiimenos aftos poy exei plirosei KAI tis > ektaktes isfores > afto nomizo ine sosto giati kapios mporei na min simfonei me mia kinisi i > opoia apetei ektakti > xrimatodotisi afto den 8a prepei na toy aferei to dikeoma psifoy > PROTINO NA MINEI OS EXEI. > Sostos o neos. NAI. ************ THEMA 6> > 1. Έκτακτες Γ.Σ. συγκαλούνται όταν αυτό κριθεί αναγκαίο από το Δ.Σ. ή όταν > ζητηθεί με αίτηση από το 1/5 > τουλάχιστον των ταμειακώς εντάξει μελών με γραπτή αίτηση προς το Δ.Σ. στην > οποία θα αναγράφονται τα συζητητέα > θέματα. > > EDO xrisimopoiite o oros tamiakos enta3ei > 8a prepei na xrisimopoii8ei enas enieos oros.. pantoy opos prin oikonomika > taktopoiimenos Sostos o neos. As meinei mono to ena. NAI From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Apr 30 13:43:46 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:43:46 +0300 Subject: Katastatiko kai Maistrelis References: <3.0.2.32.19980430120001.006a82f8@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <354855E2.B54DEB1D@ametro.gr> Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > Ego diati8ome na asxoli8o me tis tropopoiiseis toy katastatikou omos aftos pou 8a asxoli8ei 8a prepei na er8ei se sinergasia me aftous pou diazirizonte to site me to katastatiko OK. An thes kai prosopika mail kai tilefonika klp (oso to katastatiko menei sto linux.airtour.gr). From A.HRISTODOULAKIS at telestet.gr Thu Apr 30 14:03:22 1998 From: A.HRISTODOULAKIS at telestet.gr (HRISTODOULAKIS ALEXANDROS) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:03:22 +0300 Subject: SXOLIA KOSTA 3 30/4/98 Message-ID: <7F9DF3E9BCDAD111811B0020AFF9D82F032730@SERVERHX.telestet.gr> > ************** > THEMA 2 > > > ΑΡΘΡΟ 6ο > > Gia na min mple3oume me noveklatoura protino na kanoume ta 3 taktika > meli 2. > > veva apo oti fantazome i pragmatiki me8odos prosegisis toy hellug 8a > ine > > mesa apo kapio > > web site opote mono kai mono apo aftoys poy to sintiroun 8a pezoun > tris > > ipografes.. > > opos to vlepete > Nai OK treis, dio, deka. Afto einai analogo tou arithmou mas kai tou > an > theloume na sigourevomaste pos opoios bainei einai "kalos" me tin > ennoia > oti ton kseroun kai kapoioi i dexontai prosopika na eggiontai gia > afton. > Me sinenesi X melon apofevgoume (panta thimizo pos milame gia > asfalistikes diklides) pos enas p.x. Windows user (an X=1) vazei olous > tous 30 filous tou, pleiopsifoun kai zitan dialisi tou sillogou. Tha > prepei gia na arxisei i "isroi" tous na iparxoun idi X anthropoi pou > na > tin theloun. Ara X oti peite. > > ARA ego psifizo LEFKO oti peite > > Pisteyw oti yparxoyn atoma dhlwmena sthn lista (p.x. emena) poy,einai prwtarhdes sto linux,apla parakoloy8oyn ta tektenomena kai perimenoyn na syneisferoyn opws mporoyn -eite oikonomika otan toys zhth8ei,eite me opoiadhpote allh ergasia,eite mono me thn gnwmh toys se opoiadhpote pshfoforia tyxon akolou8hsei. Twra,emena sthn Krhth poy menw kai ergazomai den me kserei kanenas sas oyte egw sas gnwrizw pera apo thn linux-users-list. Katalabainw to problhma poy ti8etai parapanw,alla (epeidh gia mena den yparxei kaneis na eggyh8ei)an yparxei periptwsh kapoia stigmh na mhn mporw na symmetexw stis ergasies (ennoeitai kai pshfofories),8a'8ela na moy to peite. Epishs se mia tetoia periptwsh 8a'8ela kapoios na moy ekshghsei giati mesa apo thn linux-users-list zhthsate genika boh8eia ki oxi boh8eia mono apo toys gnwstoys sas (ara kai eggyhmenous). Me ka8e ektimhsh Alexandros From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Thu Apr 30 17:05:17 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:05:17 -0000 (GMT) Subject: SXOLIA KOSTA 3 30/4/98 In-Reply-To: <7F9DF3E9BCDAD111811B0020AFF9D82F032730@SERVERHX.telestet.gr> Message-ID: Xekinao anapoda: >Epishs se mia tetoia periptwsh 8a'8ela kapoios na moy ekshghsei giati >mesa apo thn linux-users-list zhthsate genika boh8eia ki oxi boh8eia >mono apo toys gnwstoys sas (ara kai eggyhmenous). > Yfos, yfaki? den einai etsi to thema. Isos na min katalabes kala pos tethike. >Twra,emena sthn Krhth poy menw kai ergazomai den me kserei kanenas sas >oyte egw sas gnwrizw pera apo thn linux-users-list. Symfono apolytos, alla kai apo ti lista mporoun na se proteinoun atoma, etsi? Exallou, fantazomai oti o oros mpainei gia na diasfalisei to oti o opoiosdipote thelei na ginei melos, exei kapoia stigmi apofasisei na (esto, psilo-)asxolithei me to linux. >Pisteyw oti yparxoyn atoma dhlwmena sthn lista (p.x. emena) poy,einai >prwtarhdes sto linux,apla parakoloy8oyn ta tektenomena kai perimenoyn na >syneisferoyn opws mporoyn -eite oikonomika otan toys zhth8ei,eite me >opoiadhpote allh ergasia,eite mono me thn gnwmh toys se opoiadhpote >pshfoforia tyxon akolou8hsei. Akribos, kai gi' ayto tha mpoun argotera oroi gia to pos ginetai i psifoforia meso tou internet klp klp (etsi evripidi?) >Katalabainw to problhma poy ti8etai parapanw,alla (epeidh gia mena den >yparxei kaneis na eggyh8ei)an yparxei periptwsh kapoia stigmh na mhn >mporw na symmetexw stis ergasies (ennoeitai kai pshfofories),8a'8ela na >moy to peite. Problima pou to exoume oloi. Posous nomizeis oti xerei o kathenas mas prosopika? Ego mexri tesseris mines (opote kai xekinise to magaz) den ixera kanenan, kai fantazomai oti polloi einai stin idia thesi. En pasei periptosei, gia mena kai mono to oti eisai sti lista einai eggyisi, opote eggiomai ego gia sena (an brethoun kapoioi na eggiithoun gia mena prota :-)) Kai bebaia DEN YPARXEI KAMIA PERIPTOSI na apokleisteis apo psifofories, ektos an syntrexoun logoi opos aytoi anaferontai sto katastatiko (mi oikonomiki taktopoiisi, diagrafi kai alla tetoia, ta opoia den nomizo oti mas aforoun amesa. Exallou oloi xekiname me tin prooptiki na eimaste entaxei stis ypoxreoseis mas). > >Me ka8e ektimhsh > >Alexandros Mixalis Kabrianis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Thu Apr 30 14:06:43 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:06:43 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: SXOLIA KOSTA 3 30/4/98 In-Reply-To: <7F9DF3E9BCDAD111811B0020AFF9D82F032730@SERVERHX.telestet.gr> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, HRISTODOULAKIS ALEXANDROS wrote: > Twra,emena sthn Krhth poy menw kai ergazomai den me kserei kanenas sas > oyte egw sas gnwrizw pera apo thn linux-users-list. > Katalabainw to problhma poy ti8etai parapanw,alla (epeidh gia mena den > yparxei kaneis na eggyh8ei)an yparxei periptwsh kapoia stigmh na mhn > mporw na symmetexw stis ergasies (ennoeitai kai pshfofories),8a'8ela na > moy to peite. Mhn mou stenaxwrieste :-) Gia olous osous asxolountai me ton kyklo tha yparxoun atoma na egkyithoun ligo poly, alla akoma kai ean den yparxoun hdh, eykola mporoun na brethoun, ef' oson kapoios apodeijei oti ton endiaferei to Linux. Pistevw oti yparxei enas aplos kai apodotikos tropos gia na mazepseis oxi 3 alla 103 eggyhseis: na analabeis mia ergasia (px sxetika me ta ellhnika, logou xarin metafrasi ). PROTASH GIA TOYS YPOLOIPOUS: To problhma ths eisodou newn melwn einai shmantiko, alla kai taytoxrona mia kalh eykairia gia na baptistei kaneis sthn linux koinothta. Ti tha legate na bazame ton oro "ethelontikh ergasia" mazi me ton "3 gnwsta atoma", h eite "ergasia apo to DS" eite "3 gnwsta etoma". Profanws h ergasia tha prepei na mhn einai sklabia... kalh orejh Miam +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Apr 30 14:42:34 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:42:34 +0300 Subject: SXOLIA KOSTA 3 30/4/98 References: <7F9DF3E9BCDAD111811B0020AFF9D82F032730@SERVERHX.telestet.gr> Message-ID: <354863AA.5F76B176@ametro.gr> HRISTODOULAKIS ALEXANDROS wrote: > Twra,emena sthn Krhth poy menw kai ergazomai den me kserei kanenas sas > oyte egw sas gnwrizw pera apo thn linux-users-list. Giafto leme na kanoume sillogo. Kai giafto ta idritika meli den protinontai apo allous, alla aftoprotinontai. Gia na kataferoume gnoristoume,sinergastoume klp. Kai ego makria sou eimai (Athina) kai alloi Thes/ki ... alloi eksoteriko. > Katalabainw to problhma poy ti8etai parapanw,alla (epeidh gia mena den > yparxei kaneis na eggyh8ei)an yparxei periptwsh kapoia stigmh na mhn > mporw na symmetexw stis ergasies (ennoeitai kai pshfofories),8a'8ela na > moy to peite. POIOI na sto poume. Den iparxei kapoio mistiko sxedio edo pera. Den milame alloste gia simetoxi se ergasies, milame gia apodoxi neon melon afou iparksei sillogos. > Epishs se mia tetoia periptwsh 8a'8ela kapoios na moy ekshghsei giati > mesa apo thn linux-users-list zhthsate genika boh8eia ki oxi boh8eia > mono apo toys gnwstoys sas (ara kai eggyhmenous). Na sou eksigiso ego. Giati opos sou eipa kai parapano, ta idritika meli einai aftoi pou exoun tin anagi na kanoun ena sillogo, me ta endiaferonta tous eikona ton opoion apotelei ena katastatiko. Kai filoi borei na'nai, kai agnostoi klp. kai meli listas. Arkei na ta vroun kai na sigoureftoun pos oloi MAS ziran to idio. Kai edo pou ta leme, stous gnostous kai eggiimenous idi tous zitisame voithia. Den vrisko tipota kako se afto. Kaneis kai kapoio lathos edo, den eiparxei gnostous MAS, lista MAS, katastatiko MAS. An thes borei na einai kai DIKO SOU. An oxi borei na meinei SAS(MAS). Ipotithetai pos theloume na eimaste mazi. Afto simfonoume. Kai me liga logia apo tin stigmi pou "pantreftoume" se ena sillogo, zitame enan tropo na boroume na elegxoume poioi tha bainoun "spiti" MAS kai tha ginontai kai aftoi pleon MAS an ta endiaferonta tous moiazoun me ta DIKA mas. Oxi, an de tairiazoume. Den pame gia arithmous pame gia to psonio kai to hobby mas.Afto theloume na kratisoume. fantazomai oti den mas eironevesai ...Mallon pareksigises to skeptiko tou arthrou. An thes kati parapano se sxesi me ta arthra, mia pou ego kai i voula mazepsame ta katastatika kai ta formarame, ta sizitisame ligo kai ta valame sti selida, isos na boroume na sto diefkrinisoume pio grigora prosopika. An nomizeis oti den endiaferei oli ti lista steile se mas: epapakostas at ametro.gr vis at epsilon.com.gr Evripidis From pjp at mercury.gr Thu Apr 30 14:45:49 1998 From: pjp at mercury.gr (Peter J. Papadopoulos) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:45:49 +0300 Subject: SYLLOGOS LINUX References: Message-ID: <3548646D.7FF8C055@mercury.gr> Geia sas. Sxetika me to syllogo, paidia, 8elo na po ta ejhs. Einai apla h gnomh mou. An ta idrytika melh den symfonoyn, parakalo agnohste me. Den epi8ymo na peiso kanenan. An katalaba kala, 8a yparxoyn "eggyhtes" gia ena neo melos kai "ypoxreotikh ergasia". 1. Me endiaferei o syllogos kai pi8anos 8a epi8ymousa eggrafh an ola katastalaxoyn me tropo poy me boleyei. 2. Den exo xrono (oute kai epi8ymia) na prosfero ergasia sto syllogo, alla eimai filos tou Linux. 3. Parakolou8o ta 8emata peri Linux xoris na exo amesa gnostous kai xoris na 8elo prosopikes filies. Giati na apaitei "eggyhtes" enas syllogos? Epi8ymoun oi idrytes na ftiaxoyn enan KLEISTO syllogo, monon gia tous energa symmetexontes sto Linux? Epi8ymoun dhladh LIGA atoma kai energa? Apo oso gnorizo auto den einai syllogos. Oi syllogoi genika (ektos apo eidikes periptoseis, oxi panta 8etikes) einai anoiktoi kai se aytous xoroun kai energa kai mh energa melh. Opote 8eto to erothma: Pera apo tous typikoys skopous toy katastatikoy, poios einai o logos dhmioyrgias toy syllogoy? An einai na sygkentro8oun oi FILOI kai XRHSTES tou Linux me skopo antallagh apopseon, ideon, boh8eias klp. tote den stekoun "eggyhseis" kai "ypoxreotikes ergasies". Autoi pou endiaferontai &a asxolh8oun etsi ki allios me tetoies douleies. An einai apla na symperilfoun sygkekrimena atoma h alloi poy exoun akribos idia endiaferonta/xrono/ergasia klp me tous idrytes, tote na mpoyn pio aysthroi oroi. Se aythn thn periptosh omos den mporei o syllogos na legetai "FILOI ..." alla prepei na allaxei o titlos. Exo erketh empeiria me syllogous (se allous energh symmetoxh, se allous oxi) kai nomizo oti prepei na jeka8aristei o logos prota. Otan kapoioi kanoun ena syllogo einai gia na er8oun oloi oi endiaferomenoi, oxi mono eidika atoma. Filika, Petros Papadopoulos From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Apr 30 14:51:21 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:51:21 +0300 Subject: SXOLIA KOSTA 3 30/4/98 References: Message-ID: <354865B9.80DD5A26@ametro.gr> > PROTASH GIA TOYS YPOLOIPOUS: > To problhma ths eisodou newn melwn einai shmantiko, > alla kai taytoxrona mia kalh eykairia gia na baptistei > kaneis sthn linux koinothta. > Ti tha legate na bazame ton oro "ethelontikh ergasia" mazi me ton "3 > gnwsta atoma", h eite "ergasia apo to DS" eite "3 gnwsta etoma". > Profanws h ergasia tha prepei na mhn einai sklabia... Photi epeidi to vlepo to thema kapos apo tin plevra tis asfalistikis diklidas (pou eipame as eiparxei, kalou kakou, panta alloste giafto einai oi nomoi, oxi gia na exoun plaka) min zitame desmevsi apo prin kapoiou gia ergasia i min perimenoume na kanei kati kai meta na to krinoume gia na pairnei ipografes. Arkei na steilei ena mail se mia lista mas kai boroun (osoi kai an theloun) na poun en levko "protinetai". Alloste nomizo pos afti tha einai mia tipiki diadikasia. To allo menei gia periptoseis anagkis. Melos se lista boreis na eisai anyway oste na mazepseis 3 koloipografes. Min kanoume tora thema apo to tipota. Pareksigisi itan me ton Hristodoulaki, min to kanoume kai major issue. Ante kai kalo kouragio me to mailbox sou pou gemizei sinexos... Evripidis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Apr 30 15:21:55 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:21:55 +0300 Subject: SYLLOGOS LINUX References: <3548646D.7FF8C055@mercury.gr> Message-ID: <35486CE3.716553AD@ametro.gr> > An katalaba kala, 8a yparxoyn "eggyhtes" gia ena neo melos kai "ypoxreotikh ergasia". Den katalaves kala. To men to sizitame. To de milaei gia oreksi oxi eksanagasmo kai ipoxreoti ergasia. Afta sto strato. > Me endiaferei o syllogos kai pi8anos 8a epi8ymousa eggrafh an ola > katastalaxoyn me tropo poy me boleyei. Oraia, loipon an epithimis na eisai sta atoma pou tha kathorisoun ena katastatiko kai tha pan sto simvoleografo na ipograpsoun boreis na protineis katastatiko kai tropopoiiseis pou se volevoun, me ton protinomeno tropo mono, na min pelagonei kai o Kostas o Maistrelis. Allios perimene kai ama sou kanoume ...mas les tote. > 2. Den exo xrono (oute kai epi8ymia) na prosfero ergasia sto syllogo, alla eimai filos tou Linux. Isos na min iparxei xronos alla ego apo tous omosillogous mou tha ithela na iparxei toulaxiston epithimia. > 3. Parakolou8o ta 8emata peri Linux xoris na exo amesa gnostous kai xoris na 8elo prosopikes filies. Kai afto fantazomai den einai anagastiko...to filoi linux sto leitourgiko paei oxi sta atoma. > Opote 8eto to erothma: > Pera apo tous typikoys skopous toy katastatikoy, poios einai o logos > dhmioyrgias toy syllogoy? Afto prospathoume na apantisoume kai emeis. Formarontas ena katastatiko. > Exo erketh empeiria me syllogous (se allous energh symmetoxh, se allous oxi) > kai nomizo oti prepei na jeka8aristei o logos prota. Otan kapoioi kanoun ena > syllogo einai gia na er8oun oloi oi endiaferomenoi, oxi mono eidika atoma. Kalo pou eisai empeiros...an exeis dei alla katastatika kai thes na voithiseis pes mas tis allages sou, sti selida me to katastatiko iparxei proteinomenos tropos. An den exeis xrono (opos les), i diathesi gia ethelontiki ergasia (opos les)parakalo min mas simvouleveis emas tous ipoloipous pou diathetoume ton apeiro xrono mas giati den exoume ti allo na kanoume. An exeis oreksi grapse to arthro pou de s'aresei kai steile to ston kosta pou varietai kai pethainei na ksodevei ton xrono tou. Allios ase na to kathorisoun aftoi pou epithimoun na diathesoun xrono, kai an se volevei (opos les) kai mas voleveis (opos leei to mexri tora protinomeno katastatiko pou thelei eggiites) isos ta ksanapoume os meli tou idiou sillogou Parakalo kratiste ton tropo allagis / tropopoiiseon arthron pou proteinei i selida. Vlepo provlima poli sintoma. > Filika, An de thes na eisai filos (opos les) min to paideveis kai grafeis filika kai alles paparies, den peirazei (pou leei o logos den peirazei magka mou. Emena me peirazei.) Apantisi sto parapano apo ton Peter J. Papadopoulo pou den einai filos mou kai mou troei kai ton xrono mou kai mou xalaei kai tin oreksi gia ergasia (pou akoma exo) prosopika sto epapakostas at ametro.gr PROS OLOUS: Katalavainete giati to katastatiko pou vrikame proteinei (kalou kakou) kai to dikaioma arnisis eggrafis enos melous (meso ipografon klp)?. Oso paei kai ginetai pio profanes giati prepei na iparxoun nomoi esto kai se lanthanousa morfi....As poume an den sas aresei pou pareksigithika min me proteinei kaneis. From vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 15:30:04 1998 From: vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk (Vaios Papaioannou) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:30:04 +0100 Subject: members In-Reply-To: <354855E2.B54DEB1D@ametro.gr> References: <3.0.2.32.19980430120001.006a82f8@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980430133004.0252a930@servalan> ok esteila ta stoixeia mu sto Maistrelh vp. From voulariba at rocketmail.com Thu Apr 30 17:09:59 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: sxolia kosta 30/04/98 Message-ID: <19980430140959.27464.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> THEMA 1o : Proteinw na meinei ws exei giati prokeitai gia diaforetikh periptwsh. Se afto to arthro orizetai o tropos APOXWRHSHS kai oxi APOBOLHS melous. > ΑΠΟΧΩΡΗΣΗ ΜΕΛΟΥΣ > ΑΡΘΡΟ 10ο > Afto peri ekplirosis ikonomikon ofilon den exi poli > noima mias kai opios den ikanopioi tis > ofiles toy diagrafete vasi proigoymenou ar8ou opote > mporei to melos na min > plirosei kai na diagrafei oytos i alos.. ----------------------------------------------- THEMA 2o : De me apasxolei o arithmos. To noima einai na yparxei enas typikos elegxos sta atoma pou mpainou. P.x. na mh ferw egw kammia 20aria files mou isa gia na fainetai oti eimaste polloi Linuxades kai na katalhksei o syllogos mpourdelo. Den yparxei logos anhsyxias, osoi asxolountai me to Linux kai den exoun p.x. 3 eggiites giati einai se makrinh perioxh kai de gnwrizei allous Linuxades, tha eggyithoume emeis gi'afton. Symperasma : Kante oti thelete, etsi ki alliws gia mena einai typiko afto. > ΑΡΘΡΟ 6ο > Gia na min mple3oume me noveklatoura protino na >kanoume ta 3 taktika meli 2. > veva apo oti fantazome i pragmatiki me8odos >prosegisis toy hellug 8a ine > mesa apo kapio web site opote mono kai mono apo > aftoys poy to sintiroun 8a pezoun tris > ipografes.. > opos to vlepete -------------------------------------- THEMA 3o: No problem. ARMODIOTHTES TAMIA > ekeino to 50.000 den lamvanei ipopsi toy to pli8orismo.. avrio 50.000 > mporei na perneis efimerida > PROTINO: > na proste8ei to poso na apofasizete apo to D.S. --------------------------------------- THEMA 4o : Afto to eida sto katastatiko toy TEX kai mou arese. Skopos einai na yparxei afth h enallaktikh se periptwsh pou kapote o syllogos anthisei kai exei xrhmata, na mporei na xrhmatodothsei kapoion. Gia thn wra einai axrhsto, skeftika omws oti h protash sto telos tou arthrou 20 : "Απαγορεύεται η διάθεση της περιουσίας του Συλλόγου για σκοπούς διαφορετικούς από τους προβλεπόμενους στο παρόν καταστατικό." mporei na apoklhsei mia mellontikh xrhmatodothsh. Proteinw na meinei. > Afto peri xrimatoditisis melon silogou i triton > mporei na dimiourgisei > diafora provlimata.. > PROTINO: > katargisi toy 1 ---------------------------------------------------- THEMA 5o : NA MEINEI WS EXEI. > ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ ΣΤ' > ΓΕΝΙΚΕΣ ΣΥΝΕΛΕΥΣΕΙΣ > ΑΡΘΡΟ 25ο > PROTINO NA MINEI OS EXEI. ---------------------------------------------------- THEMA 6o : Nai, na meinei ena. To eida ki egw alla barethika na to allaksw, as meinei to "oikonomika taktopoihmenos" > EDO xrisimopoiite o oros tamiakos enta3ei > 8a prepei na xrisimopoii8ei enas enieos oros.. pantoy > opos prin oikonomika > taktopoiimenos Kalh prwtomagia se olous. === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Thu Apr 30 18:35:21 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 30 Apr 1998 15:35:21 GMT Subject: member Message-ID: An kai isos kathisterimena metriste me gia melos. Nikos Mavroyanopoulos Evergetwn 46 Ioannina tel. 0651-39497 -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From axrst at otenet.gr Thu Apr 30 16:55:43 1998 From: axrst at otenet.gr (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:55:43 +0300 Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO References: <19980429163316.17900.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <354882DF.21D69A60@otenet.gr> Voula Sanida wrote: > > Loipon emeis kaname ena katastatiko, to valame pros > to paron sto linux.airtour.gr , sta nea themata. > linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/290498a.html > diavaste prin arxisete na stelnete sxolia. Exw thn entypwsh oti den mporoyme na mpoyme OLOI s'ayto to site... Xrst. From voulariba at rocketmail.com Fri May 1 00:00:38 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE BAS KAI GINEI? Message-ID: <19980430210038.9341.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Kala ta nea: Loipon milisa me ena theio mou dikigoro pou exei ebeiria se idrisi sillogon kai mou eipe merika pragmata pou tha einai kallo na gnorizoume (1) H oli diadikasia pairnei xontrika 4 mines apo tin stigmi tis aitisis (2) Ta dikastiria kleinoun to kalokairi ara kalo einai na exei dromologithei to pragma apo prin (3) To kostos einai apo 80.000-120.000 (mesa kai ftinotera apo oso perimename, Photi, Kosta, Mixali). Me tin eggrafi (me i xoris sindromi) tha exoume kai resta. (4) Mesa se afto perilamvanetai kai mia dimosievsi pou eimaste san sillogos ipoxreomenoi na kanoume se efimerida (i ftinoteri einai i Avgi me 5.000-7.000) (5) Xreiazetai kai alla xartia, opos einai apo tin Nomarxia klp. Allo xart einai i lista ton melon i opoia den einai mono sto telos tou katastatikou, alla kai analytiki. Ipogegrameni!!! Den ksero an ginetai me eksousiodotisi. Giafto o Kostas o Maistrelis tha etoimasei lista me ta meli kai tha prospathisoume na tin ipograpsoume. An kapoios ektos Athinas erthei pros ta do MHN TOLMHSEI kai den mas to pei kai erthei kai den ipograpsei. An ginetai me eksousiodotiseis tote einai pio efkolo. (6) To katastatiko kai ta loipa xartia ipovalontai se dikasti kai aftos EKSETAZEI alithina an provlepetai apo to katastatiko diadikasia gia oles tis periptoseis (diagrafi, eggrafi, psifofories, elegxoi oikonomikoi). Ara prosoxi sto ti kovete apo to katastatiko. Mallon tha prepei na vazoume ! (7) Xreiazetai anagastika edra (den exei epivarinsi toulaxiston oikonomiki mono xartoura). Ara ego diatitheme na valo to spiti mou. An eseis exete na kanete dorea kana allo :-) (leme re paidia borei kanenas ekatommyriouxos na einai filos tou free logismikou...) Syberasma: An kapoios exei psaksei perissotero, na to pei grigora. Nomizo pos prepei na teleionoume me katastatiko se kana dio vdomades. PROTEINO NA TOY TO ANATHESOUME (tha'xo barba - visma). Einai diathesimos na mou faxarei ta eggrafa pou xreiazomaste kai apo pou pernoume ti, na koitaksei to katastatiko kai na mas allaksei oti xreiazetai, kai fysika me to oikonomiko mia pou den to exoume lisei akoma, den tha mas skisei kiolas.Alla paidia, an einai na to kanoume kapoios tha paei p.x. nomarxia, allos sto dimo, allos sto theio-dikigoro klp. Tha kounithoume ligo na min sapisoume diladi. Apantiste NAI/OXI stin anathesi, na ksero na min ton valo na koitaei, faxarei tzaba kai me theorisei kai malaka + etoimaste tous kondiloforous sas gia ipografes (sic). Thimithite thelei 20ada. Triimero tha leipo, tha ta poume apo Deftera, Voula kai Evripidis P.S. To metro prosferei dorea kai kana - dio 386 ston sillogo (otan ginei). Nai re paidia, tha ta anavathmisoume, olo kai kammia karta tha vroume. http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From bcostas at hol.gr Fri May 1 02:20:14 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 02:20:14 +0300 Subject: RE BAS KAI GINEI? References: <19980430210038.9341.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <3549072E.D1FF0331@hol.gr> Voula Sanida wrote: > Apantiste NAI/OXI stin anathesi, na ksero na min ton > valo na koitaei, faxarei tzaba kai me theorisei kai > malaka + etoimaste tous kondiloforous sas gia > ipografes (sic). Thimithite thelei 20ada. > Egw eimai mesa gia oti mporw na voh6hsw. Mhpws exei kaneis edw mesa kana barba sth Nomarxia na ksemperdevoyme kai me ayto? Filika, Costas Barakitis From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Thu Apr 30 23:24:56 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 30 Apr 1998 20:24:56 GMT Subject: SYLLOGOS LINUX References: , <35486CE3.716553AD@ametro.gr> Message-ID: >> Opote 8eto to erothma: >> Pera apo tous typikoys skopous toy katastatikoy, poios einai o logos >> dhmioyrgias toy syllogoy? >Afto prospathoume na apantisoume kai emeis. Formarontas ena katastatiko. Oxi to katastatiko den apantaei ton logo dhmiourgias. Dinei genikes grammes alla den leei ti akrivos tha kanei o syllogos. Isos tha eprepe na prostethei sto katastatiko kapoios oros pou na ypoxrewnei tous ypopsifious gia to DS na dinoun ena programma pou tha akolouthisoun, sygkekrimeno oxi geniko (oi parekliseis apo auto na tithontai stin GS). An den symvei auto tha ftasoume na psifizoume filous kai filous filwn xwris na xeroume ti akrivos tha kanoun. -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Thu Apr 30 23:12:58 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:12:58 +0300 Subject: katastatiko Message-ID: <3548DB49.23EEEE8@i-net.paiko.gr> >ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ Ε' >ΟΙΚΟΝΟΜΙΚΗ ΔΙΑΧΕΙΡΙΣΗ >ΑΡΘΡΟ 20ο >- Διενεργούμενη δαπάνη είναι έγκυρη, όταν έχει εγκριθεί με σχετική >απόφαση >του Δ.Σ. Proteino to DS edo na allaxei me GS. H geniki synelefsi prepei na apofasizei gia OLA themata (kai ta oikonomika) me pleiopsifia 60% kai panw kai psifoforia toulaxistwn twn miswn. To DS na efarmozei autes tis apofaseis. Genika pistevo pos i geniki synelefsi prepei na exei tis perissoteres ejousies. Gia na min parexigitho den zitao i GS, na sygkaleitai syxnotera alla ta perisotera apo ta kathikonta tis na ginontai mesw tis listas. Akomi kathe sygklisi autis (oxi mesw tis listas) na ginetai se mi ergasimes periodous wste na mporoun oloi(akomi kai oi tis eparxias opos ego) na paristantai. Afou exoume ta mesa (newsgroup,lista) na psifizoume amesa oi armodiotites tou DS mporoun na perioristoun (gnomi mou einai alla nomizo oti einai arketa symantiko auto to thema). -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Thu Apr 30 23:39:55 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 30 Apr 1998 20:39:55 GMT Subject: SYLLOGOS LINUX References: , <35486CE3.716553AD@ametro.gr> Message-ID: >> Opote 8eto to erothma: >> Pera apo tous typikoys skopous toy katastatikoy, poios einai o logos >> dhmioyrgias toy syllogoy? >Afto prospathoume na apantisoume kai emeis. Formarontas ena katastatiko. Isos edo o petros na ennoei oti den yparxei kapoio sygkekrimeno programma gia na akoulouthisei pera apo tous typikous skopous(ean oxi to leo ego:) Isos Tha eprepe na mpei oros sto katastatiko etsi oste prin apo kathe psifoforia tou DS na ypoxreonontai oi ypopsifioi na ypovaloun programma kai xronodiagramma sygkekrimeno oxi geniko (tropopoiiseis tha epitrepontai kata tin diarkeia tis xronias alla ean allazei oli tin logiki tou programmatos na zititai nea psifos). Auto to leo gia na min yparxoun authairesies apo to DS. >ipografon klp)?. Oso paei kai ginetai pio profanes giati prepei na >iparxoun nomoi esto kai se lanthanousa morfi....As poume an den sas >aresei pou pareksigithika min me proteinei kaneis. Den zitise kaneis to kefali sou:). Pistevo pos isos tha itan kalytera oli i GS na xoristei se omades mikres 8-10 atomwn me kati koino. Gia na entaxthei enas xristis san melos tha prepei na ton dextei MIA apo autes tis omades. Autes oi omades den tha exoun allo ousiastiko rolo ektos autou. Tha mporouse px na einai mia omada autwn pou asxolountai me linux kai c alli auti pou asxoleitai me linux kai win95 alli auti pou asxoleitai me linux kai voltes sto xalandri klp. -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From gmouzo at athena.compulink.forthnet.gr Fri May 1 04:10:15 1998 From: gmouzo at athena.compulink.forthnet.gr (Giorgos Mouzourellis) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 04:10:15 +0300 Subject: member Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980501041015.0098e560@mailgate.forthnet.gr> Giorgos Mouzourellis Olimpias 18 N. Iraklio Athens 141 22 (301)2832397 gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr From yang at acropolis.net Fri May 1 10:11:35 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:11:35 +0300 Subject: RE BAS KAI GINEI? References: <19980430210038.9341.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <354975A7.5800C3C@acropolis.net> Voula Sanida wrote: > Syberasma: > An kapoios exei psaksei perissotero, na to pei > grigora. Nomizo pos prepei na teleionoume me > katastatiko se kana dio vdomades. PROTEINO NA TOY TO > ANATHESOUME (tha'xo barba - visma). Den yparxei logos arnishs, psifizo NAI :-) > > To metro prosferei dorea kai kana - dio 386 ston > sillogo (otan ginei). Nai re paidia, tha ta > anavathmisoume, olo kai kammia karta tha vroume. Oloi kati tha exoume periseyma kalytero apo 386, etsi den einai??.. Yannis.......... From fm94 at freemail.gr Sat May 2 11:52:07 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 11:52:07 +0300 Subject: apografi melon Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980502115207.006a8568@freemail.gr> 1) Evripidis Papakostas A8ina 2) Ioanou Gianis A8ina 3) Panayotis Vryonis. 4) Mpouras Dimitrios A8ina 5) Giftomitros Ioanis A8ina 6) Maistrelis Kostas A8ina 7) Mixalis Kabrianis A8ina 8) Sanida Voula A8ina 9) Soldatos 8odoris A8ina 10) A8anasopoulos Xristos Amaliada 11) Ioannis G. Kyriazopoulos A8ina 12) Antonis Kavarnos A8ina 13) Gewrgatos Fotis Patra 14) Gklavas Orestis Patra 15) Nikos Araxwbas 16) Kremmidas Kleanthis A8ina 17) Mixalis Flouris Iraklio Kritis 18) Nikos Mavroyanopoulos Ioanina 19) Giorgos Mouzourellis A8ina Mexri tora 19 meloi. 12 A8ina 1 Amaliada 2 Patra 1 Ioanina 1 Iraklio Kritis 2 den 3ero :-) Ama 3exasa kanenan parakalo na 3anastilei mail.. ante na doyme pos 8a mazeftoun oi ipografes.. Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk Sat May 2 13:33:45 1998 From: vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk (Vaios Papaioannou) Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 11:33:45 +0100 Subject: apografi melon In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980502115207.006a8568@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980502113345.0295a9b4@suna> > >Mexri tora 19 meloi. > >12 A8ina >1 Amaliada >2 Patra >1 Ioanina >1 Iraklio Kritis >2 den 3ero :-) > >Ama 3exasa kanenan parakalo na 3anastilei mail.. > nai emena.... Vaios Papaioannou kai apo polh hmmmmmmmm bale Trikala thanks. vp. From voulariba at rocketmail.com Sat May 2 20:51:08 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Peri Onomasias Sillogou Message-ID: <19980502175108.22516.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> O dikigoros leei pos eno einai anagastiko na valoume ena plires elliniko onoma sto sillogo (Enosi Xriston kai Filon Linux elladas) boroume anti gia ta vlakodi arxika E.X.F.L.E dipla, na grapsoume HEL.L.U.G. Den pistevo na exei kaneis provlima me afin tin allagi sto katastatiko ? === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From bcostas at hol.gr Sat May 2 21:24:13 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 21:24:13 +0300 Subject: apografi melon References: <3.0.2.32.19980502115207.006a8568@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <354B64CC.83386AD6@hol.gr> > Ama 3exasa kanenan parakalo na 3anastilei mail.. > Grapse allo ena: Barakitis Costas Mara6onos 32Tavros, A6hnaThl.: 34.79.315 > ante na doyme pos 8a mazeftoun oi ipografes.. > Mhpws an tis skanaroyme :-)) Kala nte mh varate, leme kai kammia @$!## na perna h wra. From bcostas at hol.gr Sat May 2 21:29:26 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 21:29:26 +0300 Subject: Peri Onomasias Sillogou References: <19980502175108.22516.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <354B6606.FCBBA3F8@hol.gr> Voula Sanida wrote: > O dikigoros leei pos eno einai anagastiko na valoume > ena plires elliniko onoma sto sillogo (Enosi Xriston > kai Filon Linux elladas) boroume anti gia ta vlakodi > arxika E.X.F.L.E dipla, na grapsoume HEL.L.U.G. Den 6elw na ginomai spastikos alla ayto to "Filwn" ston titlo den moy kollaei (apopsi moy vevaia). 6elw na pw oti afoy vazoyme to "Xristwn" ti to 6eloyme to "Filwn"? From fm94 at tee.gr Sun May 3 00:11:54 1998 From: fm94 at tee.gr (Chonianaki Fotini) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 00:11:54 +0300 Subject: Peri Onomasias Sillogou In-Reply-To: <354B6606.FCBBA3F8@hol.gr> References: <19980502175108.22516.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980503001154.006cdc0c@teemail.tee.gr> At 09:29 ?? 2/5/1998 +0300, you wrote: >Voula Sanida wrote: > >> O dikigoros leei pos eno einai anagastiko na valoume >> ena plires elliniko onoma sto sillogo (Enosi Xriston >> kai Filon Linux elladas) boroume anti gia ta vlakodi >> arxika E.X.F.L.E dipla, na grapsoume HEL.L.U.G. > >Den 6elw na ginomai spastikos alla ayto to "Filwn" ston titlo den moy >kollaei (apopsi moy vevaia). 6elw na pw oti afoy vazoyme to "Xristwn" ti >to 6eloyme to "Filwn"? apo oti exo katalavei: to filon einai gia na mporei kapios na kanei as poume mia dorea xoris na ine nte kala sto silogo.. vasika afto ine tipiko kai exei na kani me ta nomika to onoma gia mas 8a ine HELLUG Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From roryt at hol.gr Sun May 3 07:00:08 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 07:00:08 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO In-Reply-To: <19980429163316.17900.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: On 29-Apr-98 Voula Sanida wrote: > Loipon emeis kaname ena katastatiko, to valame pros > to paron sto linux.airtour.gr , sta nea themata. > linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/290498a.html > diavaste prin arxisete na stelnete sxolia. > Na pw kathisterimena kai egw mia prwth gnwmh , giati kai molis gyrisa apo eparxia kai den exw prolabei na to melethsw kala : mou fainetai san ena typiko katastatiko syllogou, tipota to parakseno. Bebaia kai emena me ksinisan ligo ta themata pou thiktikan (protash gia eggrafh apo 3 melh, kai ergasia) akribws logo ths free morfhs toy Linux (den pame na fiaksoume kleisth lesxh - den eimaste OS/2 fans - na thimaste) alla an krathsoume tis metaksy mas sxeseis se filiko epipedo nomizo oti mporoume na ta kataferoume. Kai gia ayto then ofeloun ta flame, o filos pou milise gia aplo melos pou parakolouthei xwris idiaiterh energh symmetoxh exei gia emena apolyto dikio Epifylasomai gia meta apo prosektikoterh meleth (twra eimai psofios kai paw gia ypno :-) ) I.Ioannou From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 4 13:44:26 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:44:26 +0300 Subject: PERI DIKIGOROU Message-ID: <354D9C0A.26927603@ametro.gr> Geia xara. Apo oti katalavaino, den exoume kati kallitero se dikigoro/siggeneia klp. Ara ego Deftera tou stelno lista gamou (erotimata pou prepei na mas apantisei opos (a) ginetai me eksousiodotiseis to thema ton ipografon (b) theorountai tipota vivlia (c) tropopoiiseis katastatikou pou den einai kai poli soi opos ta exoume (d) kai alla tetoia) kai me to skeptiko pos kai aftos theorei oti tha tou to anathesoume otan teleiosoume me ta xartia, aftos mas apanta se ola mas ta erotimata kai mas dinei etoima templates sillogon. Aftos tha mas apantisei ti xriazetai kai meta prepei na trexoume ligo (i diadikasia tha parei fantazomai kapoio kairo dikou mas treximatos) (kati sfragides, kati xartia, kati oi ipografes, kati i sillogi sindromon klp). Opote perimenoume nea tou apo Triti, Tetarti. OK? Evris + Voula From flouris at csi.forth.gr Sun May 3 16:48:58 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 16:48:58 +0300 Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO References: Message-ID: <354C75CA.4C704B5E@ics.forth.gr> I.Ioannou wrote: > Na pw kathisterimena kai egw mia prwth gnwmh , giati kai molis gyrisa > apo eparxia kai den exw prolabei na to melethsw kala : mou fainetai san > ena typiko katastatiko syllogou, tipota to parakseno. Bebaia kai emena > me ksinisan ligo ta themata pou thiktikan (protash gia eggrafh apo 3 > melh, kai ergasia) akribws logo ths free morfhs toy Linux (den pame na > fiaksoume kleisth lesxh - den eimaste OS/2 fans - na thimaste) alla an > krathsoume tis metaksy mas sxeseis se filiko epipedo nomizo oti > mporoume na ta kataferoume. Kai gia ayto then ofeloun ta flame, o filos > pou milise gia aplo melos pou parakolouthei xwris idiaiterh energh > symmetoxh exei gia emena apolyto dikio Prepei na pw oti ki egw symfwnw gia ta parapanw. Den katalabainw th xrhsimothta toy na se proteinei kapoios gia na grafteis. Opws leei kai o filos parapanw den eimaste kleisto club (siga mh baloyme kai foyskwtoys sth porta ... ) Epishs nomizw oti einai arketa ta melh poy den mporoyn na exoyn energh symmetoxh sto syllogo. Apla einai xrhstes toy Linux kai theloyn na anhkoyn sto syllogo xrhstwn Linux. Giati prepei na prosferoyn kapoia ergasia opwsdhpote ??? Mporei na mhn exoyn xrono 'h na mhn exoyn tis gnwseis ... Nomizw oti me ayto ton tropo toys apomakrynoyme. Telos thelw na katalabw kati. O syllogos ypo idrysh tha parexei texnikh yposthriksh se etairies, atoma ktl. ?? Ayto nomizw oti ennohthike apo kapoia mail poy eixan stalei otan ksekinhse h idea. An ontws einai mesa stis armodiothtes toy tote ayth h yposthriksh prepei na einai dwrean afoy einai mh kerdoskopikos, etsi ?? Apla thelw na to katalabw ayto ... Mike & -- //// (@ @) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oOO-\O/-OOo-=-=-=-= Mike D. Flouris - Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research & Technology, Hellas. http://www.ics.forth.gr/~flouris From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 4 16:20:18 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 16:20:18 +0300 Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO References: <354C75CA.4C704B5E@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: <354DC092.5589A1E1@ametro.gr> >Giati prepei na > prosferoyn kapoia ergasia opwsdhpote ??? > Mporei na mhn exoyn xrono 'h na mhn exoyn tis gnwseis ... > Nomizw oti me ayto ton tropo toys apomakrynoyme. Nai! Kapoioi isos fevgoun etsi! Den tous to apaitoume omos, zitame na exoun diathesi gia ergasia analogi ton dinatotiton tous (an o xronos oi gnwseis kanoun tis dinatotites tous 0 tote OK). Alla an den iparxei i diathesi den katalavaino giati na eimaste ston idio sillogo. Theoritika, eisai filos i xristis an thes na doseis kai na pareis. Allios den iparxei kai kammia anagi na graftei kaneis sto sillogo (oute gia afton oute kai gia to sillogo). Oute kan anagi sillogou iparxei ...Oute se opoion einai melos borei kaneis na ton ipoxreosei re paidia na kanei kati. Alla opos kai na exei, an theoreite pos i ipopsia pos kati tha prosfereis ston sillogo einai apotreptiki, kai fovomaste kan na to poume, tote den katalavaino ti ton kanoume, isa na mazeftoume? Kai i lista kali den einai? > Telos thelw na katalabw kati. O syllogos ypo idrysh tha > parexei texnikh yposthriksh se etairies, atoma ktl. ?? > Ayto nomizw oti ennohthike apo kapoia mail poy eixan stalei > otan ksekinhse h idea. > An ontws einai mesa stis armodiothtes toy tote ayth > h yposthriksh prepei na einai dwrean afoy einai mh kerdoskopikos, > etsi ?? Apla thelw na to katalabw ayto ... Makari na boroume! As ftasoume ekei kai ta vriskoume. Nomizo pos den boroume p.x. na kanoume support contract alla isos p.x. tha borousame dorean (i me kapoia antallagi se morfi doreas) na stisoume, configuraroume kana mixanima kapoiou. Alla afta fainontai mallon arketa makria ... > Mike & > > -- > //// > (@ @) > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oOO-\O/-OOo-=-=-=-= > Mike D. Flouris - Institute of Computer Science > Foundation for Research & Technology, Hellas. > http://www.ics.forth.gr/~flouris From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Sun May 3 17:21:33 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Photis) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:21:33 +0300 Subject: apografi melon References: <3.0.2.32.19980502115207.006a8568@freemail.gr> <354B64CC.83386AD6@hol.gr> Message-ID: <354C7D6D.450F65BE@ceid.upatras.gr> Costas wrote: > > Ama 3exasa kanenan parakalo na 3anastilei mail.. > > Grapse allo ena: [snip] Ki allo eva: Keramidas Giorgos Theodorou Kirinaiou 61 26334, Patra. Phone: +30-61-312145 Ki oso gia tis upografes, eimai sigouros o,ti kati 0a givei. Eite 0a tis scannaroume (brrrr), n 0a tis steiloume me fax :) -keramida From fm94 at freemail.gr Sun May 3 17:47:01 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:47:01 +0300 Subject: katastatiko mexri tora.... Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980503174701.006a9b1c@freemail.gr> pernontas ipopsi mou ta minimata ton Maistreli Kosta Papakosta Evripidi Sanidas voula & Maurogianopoulou Nikou ta opoia nomizo etountan kai sigkekrimenes alages sto katastatiko vlepo ta e3is: Sto Ar8ro 18 ekei pou anaferei to orio tou posou to opoio 8a analamvanei o tamias na kata8ese se trapeza an afto 3eperastei kai to orizei stis 50.000 na ginei mia alagi kai na prosteuei oti to poso afto mporei na alazei apo tin G.S. an nomizete oti mporei na ginei kamia apati na valoume ena sxetiko orio to 60 % tou vasikou mis8ou :-) (elpizo na min katargei8i o vasikos) Sto ar8ro 27 opou anaferete i ekfrasi tameiakos enta3ei na metatrapi se oikonomika taktopoiimenos gia na iparxei simfonia me proigoumena ar8ra opou i ekfrasi oiko. takt. orizete safos (kai opou alou tixon aneferete afti i ekfrasi) Telos i protasi tou Maurogianopoulou Nikou den siziti8ike ka8olou Proteinei to e3is: >>???????? ?' >>?????????? ?????????? >>????? 20? >>- ????????????? ?????? ????? ??????, ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??????? >>??????? >>??? ?.?. >Proteino to DS edo na allaxei me GS. H geniki synelefsi prepei na >apofasizei gia OLA themata (kai ta oikonomika) me pleiopsifia 60% kai panw >kai psifoforia toulaxistwn twn miswn. To DS na efarmozei autes tis apofaseis. kai diefkrinizei oti oi apofasis apo to D.S. 8a pernonte meso tis listas opote den ti8ete zitima adinamias fisikis paroysias ton melon. Ego prosopika to vrisko sosto. -------------------------------------------------------------- ante siga siga na vgazoume tin teliki ekdosi.. -------------------------------------------------------------- ,,, __.---------------------------.___ (o o) |__| www.fidonet.org |___| ||| __ooO_(_)_Ooo__|__| Save the Dream of BBSing |_|_| 6(o o) |__|__|___|___|__|_| www.linux.org |___|// ( ) | Maistrelis Kostas| promote free software |_|_|\\-\ /\. | fm94 at tee.gr |__|_| against commercialization |___| `, : || | fm94 at freemail.gr_`---------------------------'_|_| |-._|/ | icq.mail:|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \| | | 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com ___|___|___|___|___|_| | |\ |__|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_o_|___|___|____(_)_)_____gcc_prog.__ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From bcostas at hol.gr Sun May 3 23:18:07 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 23:18:07 +0300 Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO References: <354C75CA.4C704B5E@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: <354CD0FF.6C1081C8@hol.gr> > Telos thelw na katalabw kati. O syllogos ypo idrysh tha > parexei texnikh yposthriksh se etairies, atoma ktl. ?? > Ayto nomizw oti ennohthike apo kapoia mail poy eixan stalei > otan ksekinhse h idea. Pistevw oti otan me to kalo ginei o syllogos tote ola ayta 6a ta syzhthsoyme analytikotera. Opws epishs kai to 6ema toy distribution kai oti allo prokypsei. > An ontws einai mesa stis armodiothtes toy tote ayth > h yposthriksh prepei na einai dwrean afoy einai mh kerdoskopikos, > etsi ?? Apla thelw na to katalabw ayto ... An me to dwrean enoeis tsampa mallon einai fysh adynato ayto. Etsi opws to vlepw egw, an anaptyx6ei tetoia drasthriothta, 6a einai me poly mikro kostos isa-isa na kalyptontai ta eksoda, alla mallon oxi tsampa. From roryt at hol.gr Mon May 4 07:45:51 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 07:45:51 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO In-Reply-To: <354DC092.5589A1E1@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 04-May-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Nai! Kapoioi isos fevgoun etsi! Den tous to apaitoume omos, zitame na > exoun diathesi gia ergasia analogi ton dinatotiton tous (an o xronos > oi > gnwseis kanoun tis dinatotites tous 0 tote OK). Alla an den iparxei i > diathesi den katalavaino giati na eimaste ston idio sillogo. Isos tha eprepe na to ksanaskeftoume to thema, "then theloume arxosxolous, asxetous, h pnigmenous stis ypoxrewseis sthn parea mas" ?????!!! ???? > Theoritika, > eisai filos i xristis an thes na doseis kai na pareis. Allios den > iparxei kai kammia anagi na graftei kaneis sto sillogo (oute gia > afton Nai, alla o sylogos einai mourh, kai me kratikh boula, kai mporei na kontrarei se mia ekthesh toys megalous, kai mporei na kanei seminaria pou oute gia asteio den exoun ksanaginei sthn Ellada, kai pou tha endiaferoun to eury koino twn asxoloumenwn me PC. Twra egw esteila ston Maistreli enan filo pou einai pigmenos karga aythn thn epoxh me prooptikes na ksemperdeyei meta apo kana xrono. Endiaferetai alla den mporei. Na ton petaksoume eksw ? Kai paromia isxyoun se genikes grammes kai gia emena. Na fygw ? O neos xrhsths Linux pou tha exei aplos thn periergeia ? Na fygei kai aytos ? Otan tha pane fantaroi osoi einai foithtes, na toys diagrapsoume ? Den ta katalabainw ayta. Osoi mporoun kai theloun na prosferoun. H ypoxrewtikh ergasia einai gia tis fylakes kai ta stratopeda sygkentrwshs. >> Telos thelw na katalabw kati. O syllogos ypo idrysh tha >> parexei texnikh yposthriksh se etairies, atoma ktl. ?? > Makari na boroume! > As ftasoume ekei kai ta vriskoume. Nomizo pos den boroume p.x. na Nomizw oti tha mporouse na yparxei mia morfh commercial yposthrikshs me ta esoda sto tamio. Allwste an theloume kapote na feroume to Linus sthn Ellada (kai oxi mono) tha xrewiastoun kai kapoia fragka - apo pou allou tha bgoun ? Mhpws ayto tha eprepe na einai kai mia problepsh sto katastatiko ? I.Ioannou From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 4 08:40:21 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 08:40:21 +0300 Subject: POY EINAI NA TO SVISOUME? References: Message-ID: <354D54C5.CCD95951@ametro.gr> > Endiaferetai alla den mporei. Na ton petaksoume eksw ? Kai paromia > isxyoun se genikes grammes kai gia emena. Na fygw ? > O neos xrhsths Linux pou tha exei aplos thn periergeia ? Na fygei kai > aytos ? Otan tha pane fantaroi osoi einai foithtes, na toys > diagrapsoume ? Den ta katalabainw ayta. Osoi mporoun kai theloun na > prosferoun. H ypoxrewtikh ergasia einai gia tis fylakes kai ta > stratopeda sygkentrwshs. > Sostos! Me aformi afto alla kai alla antistoixa (p.x. Hristodoulakis, J. Papadopoulos) mails pou tous pnigei to dikio kai anisixoun gia tin "ipoxreotiki" ergasia, nomiza oti kapos ksekinise san asteio, alla vlepo pos mallon to ennooume kai exei prokalesei kai eknevrismo. Psixraimia paidia, tha meinei o kathenas monos tou opos panta se ligo an pame etsi kala... Tha ithela na mou peite (osoi grafoun afta peri antithesis se "ipoxreotikes" ergasies: Ioannou, Hristodoulakis, Papadopoulos klp) se poio arthro tou katastatikou einai to epimaxo afto pragma oste na to doume ligo perissotero. Parakalo na anaferete simeia ektos tou Mesa ekplirosis Skopou tou Syllogou, kai exoun na kanoun me arthra ipoxreoseon kai eggrafon melon. Kai pali tha sas ipenthimiso ton tropo sxoliasmou mas re paidia, anaferete ena arthro kai dipla tis allages sas, oste na boroume na to vroume kai oi ypoloipoi. Yparxei tetoio pragma sto katastatiko opos ipoxreotiki ergasia? Epsaxna na to vro exthes me tin Voula Sanida kai den to eida pouthena. [1] bas kai sizitame etsi to know us better? [2] Mipos tiflothika? parakalo as mou to deiksei kapoios na to diagrapsoume amesos, na paei sto dialo. Efxaristo Ante na proxorame. From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mon May 4 11:53:13 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 08:53:13 -0000 (GMT) Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 04-May-98 "I.Ioannou" wrote: >> Theoritika, >> eisai filos i xristis an thes na doseis kai na pareis. Allios den >> iparxei kai kammia anagi na graftei kaneis sto sillogo (oute gia >> afton > >Nai, alla o sylogos einai mourh, kai me kratikh boula, kai mporei na >kontrarei se mia ekthesh toys megalous, kai mporei na kanei seminaria >pou oute gia asteio den exoun ksanaginei sthn Ellada, kai pou tha >endiaferoun to eury koino twn asxoloumenwn me PC. > Apolytos sosto. >Twra egw esteila ston Maistreli enan filo pou einai pigmenos karga aythn >thn epoxh me prooptikes na ksemperdeyei meta apo kana xrono. >Endiaferetai alla den mporei. Na ton petaksoume eksw ? Kai paromia >isxyoun se genikes grammes kai gia emena. Na fygw ? Mi, mi, mi. Den nomizo oti einai ayto to thema!!! To thema, opos to katalaba apo ta legomena tou Evripidi, einai i DIATHESI gia boitheia, kai oxi i ynatotita PAROXIS boitheias. >O neos xrhsths Linux pou tha exei aplos thn periergeia ? Na fygei kai >aytos ? Otan tha pane fantaroi osoi einai foithtes, na toys >diagrapsoume ? Den ta katalabainw ayta. Osoi mporoun kai theloun na >prosferoun. H ypoxrewtikh ergasia einai gia tis fylakes kai ta >stratopeda sygkentrwshs. Pali tha po oti den tethike thema ypoxreotikis ergasias, alla epeidi blepo oti se pollous "ksinizoyn" ayta ta themata, giati den ta bgazoume na xemperdevoume (kai ego antithetos eimai, me opoiasdipote morfis periorismous, apla katalabaino oti kapou prepei na mpoun kai kapoioi tetoioi gia na min kanoume to syllogo oiko anoxis). >Nomizw oti tha mporouse na yparxei mia morfh commercial yposthrikshs me >ta esoda sto tamio. Allwste an theloume kapote na feroume to Linus sthn >Ellada (kai oxi mono) tha xrewiastoun kai kapoia fragka - apo pou allou >tha bgoun ? Mhpws ayto tha eprepe na einai kai mia problepsh sto >katastatiko ? > Mipos ayto, aytomatos mas bgazei apo (mi kerdoskopikou xaraktira?) Ayto pantos lynetai. To analambanei kapoio melos (to emporiko paketo) kai kanei dorea ta esoda sto syllogo.... >I.Ioannou Mixalis Kabrianis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens From kremidas at www.lrf.gr Mon May 4 19:21:41 1998 From: kremidas at www.lrf.gr (Kremmidas Kleanthis) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras tou HELLUG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Den 3ero an auto pou tha sas po mporei na sas boithisei oson afora to thema tou mi kerdoskopikou xraktira 'h oxi kai to an kata poso mporoume na xreonoume ipiresies h' oxi. Enas sillogos h' idrima einai peramenei mi kerdoskopikou xaraktira akoma kai an exei esoda apo poliseis h' paroxes ipiresiwn mexri enos posou analogou me ton proipologismo tou. Gia to akribes poso bebaia kalo einai na rotisoume ena logisti, alla an thimamai kala prepei na einai nomizo mexri 10% tou proipologismou tou. Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation(LRF) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 4 09:38:15 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:38:15 +0300 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras tou HELLUG References: Message-ID: <354D6257.9CE5F688@ametro.gr> > kai an exei esoda apo poliseis h' paroxes ipiresiwn mexri enos posou > analogou me ton proipologismo tou. Gia to akribes poso bebaia kalo einai > na rotisoume ena logisti, alla an thimamai kala prepei na einai nomizo > mexri 10% tou proipologismou tou. Asxima ta pragmata, an skefteis oti mi exontas alles piges na mas sikonoun ton proipologismo (dorees, enoikiaseis diamerismaton idioktisias sillogou se tritous, oikopeda) menei mono to poso ton eisforon apo sindromi. P.X. 2000 ana melos epi 20 =40.000 . To 10% den mas sozei idiaitera. From kremidas at www.lrf.gr Mon May 4 20:26:17 1998 From: kremidas at www.lrf.gr (Kremmidas Kleanthis) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG In-Reply-To: <354D6257.9CE5F688@ametro.gr> Message-ID: Oson afora auto pou eipa sxetika me to 10% einai mallon lathos. Ta esoda pou mporei na exei enas mi kerdoskopikos organismos den einai periorismena. Den iparxei kapoio orio se auta, toulaxiston etsi ematha apo tous logistes edw sto Idrima sto opoio ergazomai. Etsi mporoume na exoume theoritika aperiorista esoda apo paroxes ipiresiwn, klpklp. Bebaia edw mpleketai kai h eforia, ti sinenoiseis tha ginoun me autin, to katastatiko tou sillogou ti "kerdos" (edw iparxei ena orio kai apo auto xaraktirizesai mi kerdoskopikos 'h oxi) tha exoume apo autes tis ipiresies kai pos genika tha fainetai stin eforia kai sto ypourgeio oikonomikon o sillogos. Sorry gia to mikro mperdema :) Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation(LRF) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From A.HRISTODOULAKIS at telestet.gr Mon May 4 11:38:00 1998 From: A.HRISTODOULAKIS at telestet.gr (HRISTODOULAKIS ALEXANDROS) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:38:00 +0300 Subject: POY EINAI NA TO SVISOUME? Message-ID: <7F9DF3E9BCDAD111811B0020AFF9D82F03B883@SERVERHX.telestet.gr> > Me aformi afto alla kai alla antistoixa (p.x. Hristodoulakis, J. > Papadopoulos) mails pou tous pnigei to dikio kai anisixoun gia tin > "ipoxreotiki" ergasia. > Tha ithela na mou peite (osoi grafoun afta peri antithesis se > "ipoxreotikes" ergasies: Ioannou, Hristodoulakis, Papadopoulos klp) se > poio arthro tou katastatikou einai to epimaxo afto pragma oste na to > doume ligo perissotero. > Evripidi soy 8ymizw (gia na to kseka8arizoume kai na proxwrame)oti to olo 8ema ksekinhse me aformh tis 3 ypografes kai kapoios meta (dystyxws den 8ymamai poios) antiproteine thn "ergasia",ara fysiologika den yparxei sto ypopshfio katastatiko. Epishs hthela na ypen8ymhsw oti oudepote phra 8esh oson afora thn "ypoxrewtikh" ergasia. Alexandros From A.HRISTODOULAKIS at telestet.gr Mon May 4 11:48:34 1998 From: A.HRISTODOULAKIS at telestet.gr (HRISTODOULAKIS ALEXANDROS) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:48:34 +0300 Subject: POY EINAI NA TO SVISOYME ? Message-ID: <7F9DF3E9BCDAD111811B0020AFF9D82F03B889@SERVERHX.telestet.gr> > Me aformi afto alla kai alla antistoixa (p.x. Hristodoulakis, J. > Papadopoulos) mails pou tous pnigei to dikio kai anisixoun gia tin > "ipoxreotiki" ergasia. > Tha ithela na mou peite (osoi grafoun afta peri antithesis se > "ipoxreotikes" ergasies: Ioannou, Hristodoulakis, Papadopoulos klp) se > poio arthro tou katastatikou einai to epimaxo afto pragma oste na to > doume ligo perissotero. > Evripidi soy 8ymizw (gia na to kseka8arizoume kai na proxwrame)oti to olo 8ema ksekinhse me aformh tis 3 ypografes kai kapoios meta (dystyxws den 8ymamai poios) antiproteine thn "ergasia",ara fysiologika den yparxei sto ypopshfio katastatiko. Epishs hthela na ypen8ymhsw oti oudepote phra 8esh oson afora thn "ypoxrewtikh" ergasia. Alexandros From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 4 12:25:29 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:25:29 +0300 Subject: POY EINAI NA TO SVISOUME? References: <7F9DF3E9BCDAD111811B0020AFF9D82F03B883@SERVERHX.telestet.gr> Message-ID: <354D8989.C8F1411F@ametro.gr> HRISTODOULAKIS ALEXANDROS wrote: > ...,ara fysiologika den > yparxei sto ypopshfio katastatiko. > ... oti oudepote phra 8esh oson afora thn > "ypoxrewtikh" ergasia. OK. Den paizei kai toso rolo, poios to'pe klp (sorry an se anefera xoris na emplekese sti sizitisi - re bas kai psaxno emesa parea :-) ) . Den to theloume na iparxei "ipoxreotiki" apo oti katalavaino. Borei na to vrei kaneis sto katastatiko linux.airtour.gr (an einai ekei) na pei ston Kosta i se emena i sti Voula na to svisoume. Kante ena kopo. An den iparxei tetoio arthro na po oti eimaste oloi OK kai DONE sxetika me aftin tin sizitisi? Proxorao simera se allilofaxarismata me to dikigoro. From pjp at mercury.gr Mon May 4 12:35:15 1998 From: pjp at mercury.gr (Peter J. Papadopoulos) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:35:15 +0300 Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO References: <354C75CA.4C704B5E@ics.forth.gr> <354DC092.5589A1E1@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <354D8BD2.6AB6587F@mercury.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Nai! Kapoioi isos fevgoun etsi! Den tous to apaitoume omos, zitame na > exoun diathesi gia ergasia analogi ton dinatotiton tous (an o xronos oi > gnwseis kanoun tis dinatotites tous 0 tote OK).Kai pos metras th dia8esh h tis dynatothtes?Poios 8a krinei an kapoios den exei dia8esh h den antapokrinetai stis dynatothtes toy? Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Theoritika, eisai filos i xristis an thes na doseis kai na pareis. To elaxisto poy dinei kaneis se ena syllogo einai h oikonomikh syneisfora. To megisto den exei orio. Auto poy pairnei to gnorizei o idios (allios den dexetai na plhronei xoris na pairnei tipota). Petros Papadopoulos From flouris at csi.forth.gr Mon May 4 12:44:14 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:44:14 +0300 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG References: Message-ID: <354D8DEE.9112809A@ics.forth.gr> Kremmidas Kleanthis wrote: > > Oson afora auto pou eipa sxetika me to 10% einai mallon lathos. > Ta esoda pou mporei na exei enas mi kerdoskopikos organismos den einai > periorismena. Den iparxei kapoio orio se auta, toulaxiston etsi ematha apo > tous logistes edw sto Idrima sto opoio ergazomai. Etsi mporoume na exoume > theoritika aperiorista esoda apo paroxes ipiresiwn, klpklp. Bebaia edw > mpleketai kai h eforia, ti sinenoiseis tha ginoun me autin, to katastatiko > tou sillogou ti "kerdos" (edw iparxei ena orio kai apo auto > xaraktirizesai mi kerdoskopikos 'h oxi) tha exoume apo autes tis > ipiresies kai pos genika tha fainetai stin eforia kai sto ypourgeio > oikonomikon o sillogos. > Sorry gia to mikro mperdema :) > Nomizw oti prepei na psaksoyme perissotero to thema ayto prin apo thn idrysh toy syllogoy, giati mporei argotera na anakalypsoyme oti logw toy mh keroskopikoy xarakthra oi dynatothtes mas na einai periorismenes (panta oson afora themata opws p.x. texnikh yposthriksh, seminaria ktl.) ... Ayto poy blepw egw einai oti an ta esoda toy syllogoy einai mono apo tis syndromes twn melwn mallon den tha exoyme megales dynatothtes san syllogos giati opoia ekdhlwsh kai na theleis na organwseis shmera xreiazontai fragka ... Kai den mporeis na xrewneis kathe fora ta melh gia otidhpote ektakto, etsi den einai ? Mike & -- //// (@ @) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oOO-\O/-OOo-=-=-=-= Mike D. Flouris - Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research & Technology, Hellas. http://www.ics.forth.gr/~flouris From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 4 13:38:30 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:38:30 +0300 Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO References: <354C75CA.4C704B5E@ics.forth.gr> <354DC092.5589A1E1@ametro.gr> <354D8BD2.6AB6587F@mercury.gr> Message-ID: <354D9AA6.2E757F52@ametro.gr> > tis dynatothtes?Poios 8a krinei an kapoios den exei dia8esh h den > antapokrinetai stis dynatothtes toy? > To megisto den exei orio. Auto poy pairnei to gnorizei o idios (allios den > dexetai na plhronei xoris na pairnei tipota). OK. Sostos opos panta. Parakalo, an thes steile loipon tis allages sto katastatiko esokleiontas kai to arthro pou den s'arese, gia na tis pernei siga siga kai o Maistrelis. Boreite na koitaksete to katastatiko an exete ligo xrono na mas peite to arthro (ipoxreosis mellon, eggrafi neou melous klp) oste na perastoun oi allages. An den iparxoun allages (?!) peri "ipoxreotikon klp", kai idi to kouventiasame, tote na proxorame apo afto to thema. Ksana Bye. From dbouras at hol.gr Mon May 4 15:32:11 1998 From: dbouras at hol.gr (Dimitrios P. Bouras) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:32:11 +0300 Subject: POY EINAI NA TO SVISOUME? References: <354D54C5.CCD95951@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <354DB54B.8ED325@hol.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > Psixraimia > paidia, tha meinei o kathenas monos tou opos panta se ligo an pame etsi > kala... Kai 0a epalh0eytei to "anekdoto": <<0es na ginei mia douleia teleia; Bale enan Ellhna. 0es na mhn ginei pote; Bale dyo!>> :) Na pw kai'gw me th seira mou: a. "psyxraimia" b. "na mhn pairnoume (kai 'gw mazi sas) osa lene oi alloi 100% tis metrhtois". Tipote den einai teleio, kai oute auto pou prospa0oume na kanoume prokeitai na ginei. Exw diapistwsei apo tote pou grafthka sthn "LGU" oti to "meraki" kai h dia0esh na boh0hsoun yparxei se olous osous grafoun kata kairous sth lista. Den yparxei (sta dika mou matia toulaxiston) kanena ousiastiko problhma. Kai ean kanoume kapoio "la0os" sto katastatiko, 0a to alla3oume opote 0ewrhsoume oti kati tetoio einai epibeblhmeno -- den trexei tipote (it's not "written in stone" pou leme kai "sto Amerikh" :)). Oute lew na mhn "trwgwmaste" :) Lew na "trwgwmaste" me metro :) wste na mhn mas braxykyklwnei s'auto pou 0eloume na petyxoume, kai gia na bgaloume (auth th fora toulaxiston) "pseftra" thn paradosh pou mas 0elei na xaloume oti 3ekinoume prin kala-kala "pata3ei" :) Dhmhtrhs From istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr Sun May 3 22:55:17 1998 From: istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr (Stoilis Ioannis) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 22:55:17 +0300 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG References: <354D8DEE.9112809A@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: <354CCBA5.FB6C038A@beli.vet.auth.gr> > Nomizw oti prepei na psaksoyme perissotero to thema ayto > prin apo thn idrysh toy syllogoy, giati mporei argotera > na anakalypsoyme oti logw toy mh keroskopikoy xarakthra > oi dynatothtes mas na einai periorismenes (panta oson > afora themata opws p.x. texnikh yposthriksh, seminaria ktl.) ... > > Ayto poy blepw egw einai oti an ta esoda toy syllogoy einai > mono apo tis syndromes twn melwn mallon den tha exoyme megales > dynatothtes san syllogos giati opoia ekdhlwsh kai na theleis > na organwseis shmera xreiazontai fragka ... Kai den mporeis > na xrewneis kathe fora ta melh gia otidhpote ektakto, > etsi den einai ? > > Mike ? me sugxoreitai pou epaimbainw sthn suzhthsh aprosklhtos, alla pisteuw oti 3exnate kati. To Linux authn thn stigmh sthn Ellada den exei megales diastaseis, kalos 'h' kakos. H olh idea tou HELLUG ginetai apo meraki kai mono apo (opows blepw) kuriws foitites kai xompistes. Den nomizw oti einai dunato foithtes kai xompistes na organwsoun auta pou oneireueste(na feroume ton Linus stn Ellada kapote sto mellon, na organwsoume seminaria, na enoikiasoume monimo xwro opou 8a edreuei o sullogos). Xreiazomaste opwsdhpote kai thn uposthri3h mia etaireias, kati san sponsora...kati pou na mas boh8hsei na 3ekinhsoume, na ginoume gnwstoi, wste na au3hsoume tis suneisfores mas kai na kanoume pragmatikothta ta oneira... Eilikrina duskoleuomai na pistepsw oti den uparxei estw kai mia etaireia pou na mhn 8elei na ginei sponsoras ths HELLUG... Alla kai pali, isws h olh idea tou sponsora na mhn einai swsth...Ti lete eseis? From roryt at hol.gr Tue May 5 01:49:44 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 01:49:44 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: POY EINAI NA TO SVISOUME? In-Reply-To: <354D54C5.CCD95951@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 04-May-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: >> Endiaferetai alla den mporei. Na ton petaksoume eksw ? Kai paromia >> isxyoun se genikes grammes kai gia emena. Na fygw ? >> > Tha ithela na mou peite (osoi grafoun afta peri antithesis se > "ipoxreotikes" ergasies: Ioannou, Hristodoulakis, Papadopoulos klp) > se > poio arthro tou katastatikou einai to epimaxo afto pragma oste na to Htan apanthsh sta legomena sou, kai oxi kritikh epi tou katastatikou. Kai nai exeis dikio : einai se telikh analysh koubenta gia thn koubenta. Full stop apo emena. I.Ioannou From roryt at hol.gr Tue May 5 02:58:31 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 02:58:31 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG In-Reply-To: <354CCBA5.FB6C038A@beli.vet.auth.gr> Message-ID: On 03-May-98 Stoilis Ioannis wrote: > diastaseis, kalos 'h' kakos. H olh idea tou HELLUG ginetai apo meraki > kai mono apo (opows blepw) kuriws foitites kai xompistes. Den nomizw 50 % Rong. > kati san sponsora...kati pou na mas boh8hsei na 3ekinhsoume, na > ginoume > gnwstoi, wste na au3hsoume tis suneisfores mas kai na kanoume O "sponsoras" tha mporouse na yparxei. Alla h skepsh "an then exoume tis plates enos megalou den kanoume tipota" einai 100% lathos. An htan etsi tipota sto Linux den tha eixe ginei. Den xreiazomaste kanena gia na ginoume gnostoi : to HELLUG gia ayto fiaxnetai. Ayto pou tha xreiastoyme einai esoda kai swsth diaxeirhsh toys. H problepsh pou elega egw einai ayto : Apo : > ΠΟΡΟΙ ΤΟΥ ΣΥΛΛΟΓΟΥ > ΑΡΘΡΟ 12ο --- > 6. Τυχόν έσοδα από οργάνωση σεμιναρίων, εγκατάσταση λογισμικού > 7. Πώληση εντύπων (βιβλίων και περιοδικών) Na ginei kapws etsi 6. Έσοδα από εκδnλώσεις και παροχές υπnρεσίας εκ μέρους του συλλόγου , όπως οργάνωση σεμιναρίων, εγκατάσταση και συντnρnσn λογισμικού, πώληση εντύπων (βιβλίων και περιοδικών) καθώς και όποιο άλλο εσοδο προκύψει από λοιπές δραστnριότες του συλόγου H diasfalish toy mh kerdoskopikou proerxetai apo ta arthtra pou milane gia thn diathesh twn esodwn. Kai ayrio tha koitakso na ferw thn nomothesia (eforia klp) pou sxetizetai me tetoia esoda. I.Ioannou From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue May 5 08:48:55 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:48:55 +0300 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG References: <354D8DEE.9112809A@ics.forth.gr> <354CCBA5.FB6C038A@beli.vet.auth.gr> Message-ID: <354EA847.57C4DA3D@ametro.gr> Me sigxoreite...mia pou eida kai ton titlo: Iparxei thema sillogou me kerdoskopikou xaraktira (NAI/OXI) ? An NAI: (efories, IKA, ipalliloi, logistis, telika idrisi etaireias kai oxi sillogou klp) posa dinete giati idi doulevo. (Den ginetai kerdoskopikos pros ekso kai filika - tha ta vroume - pros tous mesa!). Thelo kai grammatea/coordinator. Kai thesi garaz. Diladi xaos tha ginei! Mallon den ennoume kati tetoio. An OXI: den simainei pantos pos den exei (mikro)esoda se xrima i ilika apo dorees, sindromes, osa einai afta, alla pos den anaptisei eboriki drastiriotita klp gia na ta exei, opos oi etaireies klp, den iparxei kammia statheri apolavi gia ta meli klp, den antagonizontai se tomeis pou alloi exoun eboriki drastiriotita. Simainei sigoura pos kaneis mas den tha ginei mia draxmi plousioteros apo afton ton sillogo. Apo oti diavasa malista kai o Ioannou tha ferei kapoio nomo klp / arthro pou tha eksigei ti typou esoda empiptoun se enan afilokerdi sillogo, fantazomai an kai poso forologountai (an exei AFM, edra, theorimena apo eforia vivlia), an i xreosi paroxis ipiresion os esodo einai nomimi drastiriotita afilokerdous sillogou. Opote na perimenoume kai afto kai na kleinoume kai me ta arthra peri oikonomikon. Evris From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Tue May 5 11:15:25 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:15:25 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05-May-98 "I.Ioannou" wrote: >> 6. Τυχόν έσοδα από οργάνωση σεμιναρίων, εγκατάσταση λογισμικού >> 7. Πώληση εντύπων (βιβλίων και περιοδικών) > >Na ginei kapws etsi > >6. Έσοδα από εκδnλώσεις και παροχές υπnρεσίας εκ μέρους του συλλόγου >, όπως οργάνωση σεμιναρίων, εγκατάσταση και συντnρnσn λογισμικού, πώληση >εντύπων (βιβλίων και περιοδικών) καθώς και όποιο άλλο εσοδο προκύψει >από λοιπές δραστnριότες του συλόγου > Poly sostos, elegxe mono (opos les ki olas) to nomiko tou thematos. An mporei na mpei tetoios oros sto katastatiko, xoris na alloionetai o mi kerdoskopikos xaraktiras, tha einai poly kalo. Apo tin alli, dimiourgeitai to exis problima: Analambanoume syntyrisi mias etaireias os syllogos: Poios einai ypeythynos (o syllogos?) Poios diasfalizei stin etaireia oti tha exei panta kapoion gia syntirisi (o syllogos?) An i apantisi stis pio pano erotiseis einai nai, dimiourgeitai megalo problima me tin ethelontiki i mi ergasia, kai tis syneisfores tou syllogoy pros ta meli. O noon noeito. > >H diasfalish toy mh kerdoskopikou proerxetai apo ta arthtra pou milane >gia thn diathesh twn esodwn. Kai ayrio tha koitakso na ferw thn >nomothesia (eforia klp) pou sxetizetai me tetoia esoda. > > > >I.Ioannou Mixalis Kabrianis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens From fm94 at freemail.gr Tue May 5 10:56:15 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:56:15 +0300 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980505105615.006b1340@freemail.gr> >Apo tin alli, dimiourgeitai to exis problima: >Analambanoume syntyrisi mias etaireias os syllogos: >Poios einai ypeythynos (o syllogos?) >Poios diasfalizei stin etaireia oti tha exei panta kapoion gia syntirisi (o >syllogos?) >An i apantisi stis pio pano erotiseis einai nai, dimiourgeitai megalo problima >me tin ethelontiki i mi ergasia, kai tis syneisfores tou syllogoy pros ta >meli. O noon noeito. De nomizo oti 8a dimioyrgi8ei tetio provlima :-) Gia na te8ei tetio zitima 8a prepei mia eteria na apef8in8ei ston silogo gia paroxi ipostiri3is, kati pou to vrisko api8ano. Ektos kai an arxizoume kai vgazoyme diafimiseis se periodika tou still to Hellug egkatista kai parexei ipostiri3i systimaton LINUX kati pou den nomizo oti enooume.. i kano la8os?? Apo tin ali to vrisko poli logiko mia eteria na apef8inete ston ka8ena mas H stin eteria tou - magazi tou klp gia na tou parexei ipostiri3i. to pou pane ta esoda se afti tin periptosi nomizo ine aftonoito vevea kai se aftes tis periptoseis o silogos boi8aei px an kapios analamvanei tin ipostiri3i enos sistimatos kai gia kapio logo fevgei gia 1 mina, mporei na afisei kapion alo sto podi tou, ton opio pi8anon na exei gnorisei meso toy silogou klp. Tora gia ta seminaria afto exei vasi giati ontos Ta seminaria 8a ta kanei o silogos kai an den itan aftos aplos den 8a ginontoystan, ala ta seminaria den ine makroxronies ipoxreoseis kai den nomizo na iparxei provlima sto na antape3el8ei o silogos. From vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk Tue May 5 12:07:56 1998 From: vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk (Vaios Papaioannou) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:07:56 +0100 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG In-Reply-To: References: <354CCBA5.FB6C038A@beli.vet.auth.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980505100756.00719d28@suna> re paidia ti kerdoskopikos xarakthras sto Linux syllogo pu 8a ginei ?? an de ta brume mh kerdoskopika as mh dulepsei kai pote. opios 8elei na kanei etaireia me systhmata Linux einai eley8eros na to kanei alla edw gia mas nomizw oti edw allazume teleiws ton skopo aytwn pu kanume. pios einai dynaton na einai sponsoras gia mas sth ellada ?? 8a afhnei o sponsoras na kanume ayta pu 8elume emeis ?? (dhl. kai o logos pu ton bazume mesa) me alla logia h eimaste ikanoi na kanume kati apo thn "agaph" twn melwn h de exei nohma na eimaste sto sylogo ola ayta sta grhgora kai apo mena giati oi dulies trexun ... eyxaristw vp. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue May 5 12:26:20 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:26:20 +0300 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU Message-ID: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr> Loipon gia na proxorame ligo ta themata, epikoinonisa me ton dikigoro ... mou eipe pos gia na proxorisei i diadikasia einai ipoxreotiko na iparxoun 5 meli ton opoion onomata/dievthinseis klp tha tou dothoun. Aftoi tha prepei na einai diathesimoi na parastoun sto dikigoriko grafeio kapoia mera gia diatiposeis, grafeiokraties kai tetoia. Episis tha prepei na dothei o sinolikos arithmos arthron tou katastatikou mas (p.x. 36). Kathos kai i imerominia eggrisis tous apo ta 20 idritika meli. To idio to katastatiko tha proskomistei argotera. Sxetika me ta idritika meli ektos Athinas ta opoia den boroun na ipograpsoun mou eipe pos koini praktiki se tetoies periptoseis einai "enomi plastografia" opou tha valoun alloi tis ipografes efoson oi ektos Athinas simfonoun. Episis as perasoume se themata amoivis klp. Xreiazomaste ta prota mas lefta -> sindromes, eggrafes. Ara: *** PERI 5adas Ego aftoprotinomai mia pou ksero na vro kai ton dikigoro. Kai i Voula Sanida exei provlima Allos kaneis? *** PERI Tameiou Poios kanei tamio ? Kaneis ethelontis ? *** PERI 20adas An iparxei kapoios ektos Athinas pou den thelei (kai den borei na ton ipoxreosoume na thelei) na ipograpsei allos gia afton, na milisei *** PERI KATASTATIKOU Na pagiothei o arithmos arthron. Na perasoun kai oles oi koina apodektes tropopoiiseis kai na steilei o Kostas ena plires elliniko na to exoume mazi mas. Tha akolouthisoun kai alla otan doume kai ta xartia pou mas esteile. Evripidis From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Tue May 5 15:26:12 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:26:12 -0000 (GMT) Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU In-Reply-To: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: > >Ara: >*** PERI 5adas >Ego aftoprotinomai mia pou ksero na vro kai ton dikigoro. >Kai i Voula Sanida exei provlima >Allos kaneis? Ego den mporo logo douleias (proini), Kynigise tous foitites :-) (plaka kano, min arxisoume pali kanena flame) > >*** PERI Tameiou >Poios kanei tamio ? Kaneis ethelontis ? No, no, no. Afou exeis ton dikigoro, proteino na to analabeis esy. Ego se empisteyomai (kai rantebou stin Brazilia). > >*** PERI 20adas >An iparxei kapoios ektos Athinas pou den thelei (kai den borei na ton >ipoxreosoume na thelei) na ipograpsei allos gia afton, na milisei Eimai entos Athinas, alla gia kalo kai gia kako, kai gia na eimaste oloi kalymmenoi, dne briskoume 20 apo tin Athina (min to deite pali giati Athina kai oxi Xanthi, Evros, Thess/niki, Patra, Irakleio klp. To leo mono gia logous eykolias) > > >Evripidis Mixalis Kabrianis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens From vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk Tue May 5 12:33:29 1998 From: vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk (Vaios Papaioannou) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:33:29 +0100 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU In-Reply-To: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980505103329.0071537c@suna> At 12:26 05/05/98 +0300, you wrote: >Loipon gia na proxorame ligo ta themata, >epikoinonisa me ton dikigoro ... mou eipe pos gia na proxorisei i >diadikasia einai ipoxreotiko na iparxoun 5 meli ton opoion >onomata/dievthinseis klp tha tou dothoun. Aftoi tha prepei na einai >diathesimoi na parastoun sto dikigoriko grafeio kapoia mera gia >diatiposeis, grafeiokraties kai tetoia. >Episis tha prepei na dothei o sinolikos arithmos arthron tou >katastatikou mas (p.x. 36). >Kathos kai i imerominia eggrisis tous apo ta 20 idritika meli. > >To idio to katastatiko tha proskomistei argotera. > >Sxetika me ta idritika meli ektos Athinas ta opoia den boroun na >ipograpsoun mou eipe pos koini praktiki se tetoies periptoseis einai >"enomi plastografia" opou tha valoun alloi tis ipografes efoson oi ektos >Athinas simfonoun. > >Episis as perasoume se themata amoivis klp. Xreiazomaste ta prota mas >lefta -> sindromes, eggrafes. > >Ara: >*** PERI 5adas >Ego aftoprotinomai mia pou ksero na vro kai ton dikigoro. >Kai i Voula Sanida exei provlima >Allos kaneis? > >*** PERI Tameiou >Poios kanei tamio ? Kaneis ethelontis ? > >*** PERI 20adas >An iparxei kapoios ektos Athinas pou den thelei (kai den borei na ton >ipoxreosoume na thelei) na ipograpsei allos gia afton, na milisei > >*** PERI KATASTATIKOU >Na pagiothei o arithmos arthron. Na perasoun kai oles oi koina apodektes >tropopoiiseis kai na steilei o Kostas ena plires elliniko na to exoume >mazi mas. > >Tha akolouthisoun kai alla otan doume kai ta xartia pou mas esteile. > > >Evripidis > > epishs kapu na fainontai kai oi STOXOI tu syllogu ..... pisteyw oti an emeis apofasisume kati sobaro kai polloi alloi apo th lista 8a mas akolu8hsun gia lefta , ktl ktl ayta vp. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue May 5 14:22:41 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 14:22:41 +0300 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU References: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <354EF681.488083EC@ametro.gr> *** PERI 5adas i Voula Sanida einai mesa Eimaste 2. O Kleanthis Kremmidas einai mesa? na eimaste 3? Ioannou ? (leo xima onomata bas kai piasei) Kabrianis ? Milate re... Allos ? *** PERI Tameiou An parameinei xoris ethelonti na to analavei i voula sanida ? milate ... *** PERI 20adas An den iparxei kammia enstasi theoroume pos ipografoume gia olous ? Oi protes ipografes aforoun to eggrafo pou legetai "Prosorini Dioikousa Epitropi" kai einai i 5ada pou psaxnoume arxika, kai prepei na psifistei kai apo tous 20. To deftero eggrafo einai afto pou leei pos ta idritika meli (20) eidan kai simfonisan se katastatiko Ta dio eggrafa afta PREPEI NA GINOUN, sas stelno ena txt template tous na ta deite, ti thanai afto pou ipofrafoume. *** PERI KATASTATIKOU O Kostas o Maistrelis tha mou steilei na exoume 1 neo katastatiko otan to teleiosei kai na to valoume kai sti selida ? Afou ginei afto koitakste to kai doste mas to OK (an einai OK) oi ektos athinon na ipograpsoume gia aftous. Oi alloi tha prepei na sinantithoume! NAI THA VREITE DISTIXOS XRONO NA SINANTITHOUME (oxi anagastika oloi mazi alla sigoura o kathenas me ton tameia kai gia ipoggrafes)! Evripidis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue May 5 14:23:48 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 14:23:48 +0300 Subject: EGGRAFO 1 Message-ID: <354EF6C4.24A7831D@ametro.gr> Anagastiko eggrafo 1: --------------------- ΠΙΝΑΚΑΣ ΜΕΛΩΝ ΠΡΟΣΩΡΙΝΗΣ ΔΙΟΙΚΟΥΣΑΣ ΕΠΙΤΡΟΠΗΣ Πίνακας μελών της προσωρινής Διοικούσας Επιτροπής, που αποτελείται από πέντε (5) μέλη κι' εκλέχτηκε απ'τους ιδρυτές του Σωματείου, που εδρεύει στην Αθήνα με την επωνυμία : "ΕΝΩΣΗ ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΦΙΛΩΝ ΛΙΝΟΥΞ ΕΛΛΑΔΟΣ" Α/Α ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝ.ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΔΙΕΥΘΥΝΣΗ 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) ΤΑ ΙΔΡΥΤΙΚΑ ΜΕΛΗ Α/Α ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝ.ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΔΙΕΥΘΥΝΣΗ ΥΠΟΓΡΑΦΗ .......................... ακολουθούν τα 20 ονόματά μας From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue May 5 14:24:32 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 14:24:32 +0300 Subject: EGGRAFO 2 Message-ID: <354EF6F0.14BC43@ametro.gr> Anagastiko Eggrafo 2 -------------------- ΠΡΑΚΤΙΚΟ ΙΔΡΥΣΕΩΣ ΣΥΛΛΟΓΟΥ Στην Αθήνα σήμερα την ..... (ημερομηνία) ημέρα ... οι παρακάτω υπογράφοντες συνήλθαν σε σύσκεψη με σκοπό την ίδρυση σωματείου και αποφάσισαν ομόφωνα τα παρακάτω : 1. Ιδρύουν Σωματείο με την επωνυμία "ΕΝΩΣΗ ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΦΙΛΩΝ ΛΙΝΟΥΞ ΕΛΛΑΔΟΣ" με έδρα την Αθήνα και σκοπό τον αναφερόμενο στο καταστατικό. 2. Ψηφίζουν, εγκρίνουν ομόφωνα και υπογράφουν το υπό σημερινή χρονολογία καταστατικό αποτελούμενο από άρθρα τριάντα έξι (36). 3. Εκλέγουν παμψηφεί πενταμελή (5μελή) Προσωρινή Διοικούσα Επιτροπή της οποίας έργο θα είναι η δημοσίευση του Καταστατικού του Σωματείου στα οικεία βιβλία του Πρωτοδικείου Αθήνας και η Σύγκλιση Γενικής Συνέλευσης των μελών για την εκλογή του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου και της Ελεγκτικής Επιτροπής. Η προσωρινή Διοικούσα Επιτροπή αποτελείται από τους παρακάτω : Α/Α ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝ.ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΔΙΕΥΘΥΝΣΗ 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) ΤΑ ΙΔΡΥΤΙΚΑ ΜΕΛΗ Α/Α ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝ.ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΔΙΕΥΘΥΝΣΗ ΥΠΟΓΡΑΦΗ .......................... ακολουθούν τα ονόματά μας From kremidas at www.lrf.gr Wed May 6 00:31:19 1998 From: kremidas at www.lrf.gr (Kremmidas Kleanthis) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: Re paidia na sas rotiso pou akribos einai o dikigoros. An einai konta stin Kla8monos (mexri Hilton telos panton) mporo na 3eklepso 1-2 wres kai na ertho. Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation(LRF) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From fm94 at freemail.gr Tue May 5 13:55:56 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:55:56 +0300 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU In-Reply-To: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980505135556.006ac270@freemail.gr> >*** PERI 5adas >Ego aftoprotinomai mia pou ksero na vro kai ton dikigoro. >Kai i Voula Sanida exei provlima >Allos kaneis? > Ego mesa > >*** PERI KATASTATIKOU >Na pagiothei o arithmos arthron. Na perasoun kai oles oi koina apodektes >tropopoiiseis kai na steilei o Kostas ena plires elliniko na to exoume >mazi mas. to vradi 8a to exo etimo tin alagi pou protine o IOanou afou simfonisan kai aloi kai den diafonise kanis tin vazo ok?? ,,, __.---------------------------.___ (o o) |__| www.fidonet.org |___| ||| __ooO_(_)_Ooo__|__| Save the Dream of BBSing |_|_| 6(o o) |__|__|___|___|__|_| www.linux.org |___|// ( ) | Maistrelis Kostas| promote free software |_|_|\\-\ /\. | fm94 at tee.gr |__|_| against commercialization |___| `, : || | fm94 at freemail.gr_`---------------------------'_|_| |-._|/ | icq.mail:|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \| | | 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com ___|___|___|___|___|_| | |\ |__|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_o_|___|___|____(_)_)_____gcc_prog.__ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue May 5 14:57:18 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 14:57:18 +0300 Subject: References: Message-ID: <354EFE9E.97CB23F1@ametro.gr> Kremmidas Kleanthis wrote: > > Re paidia na sas rotiso pou akribos einai o dikigoros. An einai konta stin > Kla8monos (mexri Hilton telos panton) mporo na 3eklepso 1-2 wres kai na > ertho. An einai Caravel den kaliptesai ? :-) (einai asteio min to pareis asxima) Kapou sto kentro einai. Alla prepei etsi ki allios na kseklepseis ligo nomizo (ipografes, sindromi kai an eisai kai stin 5ada isos kai dikigoro). Tha enimeroso gia tin diefthinsi > Kremmidas Kleanthis > System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation(LRF) > E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr > Phone : (+301) 3311848 > Fax : (+301) 3230668 > Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From fm94 at freemail.gr Tue May 5 13:57:29 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 13:57:29 +0300 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU In-Reply-To: References: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980505135729.006a1254@freemail.gr> >>*** PERI 20adas >>An iparxei kapoios ektos Athinas pou den thelei (kai den borei na ton >>ipoxreosoume na thelei) na ipograpsei allos gia afton, na milisei > >Eimai entos Athinas, alla gia kalo kai gia kako, kai gia na eimaste oloi >kalymmenoi, dne briskoume 20 apo tin Athina diskolo den vgenoume 20 apo tin a8ina simfona me ta stixia pou exo.. From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Tue May 5 14:26:34 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 5 May 1998 11:26:34 GMT Subject: NA ENA KATASTATIKO References: , <354CD0FF.6C1081C8@hol.gr> Message-ID: >An me to dwrean enoeis tsampa mallon einai fysh adynato ayto. Etsi opws to >vlepw egw, an anaptyx6ei tetoia drasthriothta, 6a einai me poly mikro kostos >isa-isa na kalyptontai ta eksoda, alla mallon oxi tsampa. O??, ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ????????? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ??????????? linux ????????? ?? ???????? ??? ??????. ? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ????, ?? hellug ????? ???? (??? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??????????? ?? ?????, ???? ???? ??? ????? ????????? ????????). -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From fm94 at freemail.gr Tue May 5 14:01:18 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 14:01:18 +0300 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU In-Reply-To: <354EF681.488083EC@ametro.gr> References: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980505140118.006b66cc@freemail.gr> >*** PERI Tameiou >An parameinei xoris ethelonti na to analavei i voula sanida ? >milate ... re si epa8es friki mesa se 10 lepta 8es na apantisoun oloi.. apo mena enta3ei tin empistevome :-)) From istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr Mon May 4 23:12:12 1998 From: istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr (Stoilis Ioannis) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:12:12 +0300 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG References: Message-ID: <354E211C.A8AB68CF@beli.vet.auth.gr> I.Ioannou wrote: > > On 03-May-98 Stoilis Ioannis wrote: > ? diastaseis, kalos 'h' kakos. H olh idea tou HELLUG ginetai apo meraki > ? kai mono apo (opows blepw) kuriws foitites kai xompistes. Den nomizw > > 50 % Rong. > > ? kati san sponsora...kati pou na mas boh8hsei na 3ekinhsoume, na > ? ginoume > ? gnwstoi, wste na au3hsoume tis suneisfores mas kai na kanoume > > O "sponsoras" tha mporouse na yparxei. Alla h skepsh "an then exoume tis > plates enos megalou den kanoume tipota" einai 100% lathos. An htan etsi > tipota sto Linux den tha eixe ginei. Den xreiazomaste kanena gia na > ginoume gnostoi : to HELLUG gia ayto fiaxnetai. Ayto pou tha > xreiastoyme einai esoda kai swsth diaxeirhsh toys. H problepsh pou > elega egw einai ayto : Me sugxwreis an sou edwsa thn entupwsh oti pisteuw oti "den kanoume tipota xwris tis plates enos megalou". Egw eimai pro8umos na palepsw me nuxia kai me dontia gia na boh8hsw thn HELLUG na dhmiourgh8ei. Apla eipa "kala 8a htan na eixame kai mia etaireia na mas boh8hsei sto 3ekinhma", etsi wste h HELLUG na epituxei tous skopous ths kapoio xroniko diasthma nwritera. To oti h HELLUG 8a dhmiourgh8ei, 8a anaptux8ei kai 8a megalwsei den uparxei kammia amfibolia. To 8ema einai se poso xroniko diasthma 8a ginei auto. An boh8hsei o sponsoras pou legame, kai h HELLUG pragmatopoihsei pio polles drasthriothtes, tote auto 8a htan eulogo, swsta? Telos, o skopos tou e-mail mou htan na rwthsw: Psaxnei kaneis gia sponsora? (Ektos an telika aporrif8ei h olh idea) From istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr Mon May 4 23:23:56 1998 From: istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr (Stoilis Ioannis) Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:23:56 +0300 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU References: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr> <3.0.2.32.19980505135729.006a1254@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <354E23DC.AC79E809@beli.vet.auth.gr> Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > ??*** PERI 20adas > ??An iparxei kapoios ektos Athinas pou den thelei (kai den borei na ton > ??ipoxreosoume na thelei) na ipograpsei allos gia afton, na milisei > ? > ?Eimai entos Athinas, alla gia kalo kai gia kako, kai gia na eimaste oloi > ?kalymmenoi, dne briskoume 20 apo tin Athina > > diskolo den vgenoume 20 apo tin a8ina simfona me ta stixia pou exo.. egw eimai apo thn Thessaloniki kai eimai sumfonos na upograpsei allos gia mena. As epikoinwnhsei kapoios me porsonal email gia na ta kanonisoume. From roryt at hol.gr Wed May 6 08:06:29 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:06:29 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG In-Reply-To: <354EA847.57C4DA3D@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 05-May-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Apo oti diavasa malista kai o Ioannou tha ferei kapoio nomo klp / > arthro > pou tha eksigei ti typou esoda empiptoun se enan afilokerdi sillogo, > fantazomai an kai poso forologountai (an exei AFM, edra, theorimena > apo > eforia vivlia), an i xreosi paroxis ipiresion os esodo einai nomimi > drastiriotita afilokerdous sillogou. Opote na perimenoume kai afto > kai > na kleinoume kai me ta arthra peri oikonomikon. Yparxei mia parekshghsh sta legomena mou : lew na kanoume apla problepsh sthn periptwsh pou o sylogos mporesei na exei esoda mesw egkatastasewn Linux. Apla mpas kai xreiastei. Twra re paidia sas exei piasei trexala me thn ypothesh kai den sas prolabainw. Den mporesa na brw ta sxetika shmera. Proxorhste to xwris ayto, den einai toso krisimo. I.Ioannou From roryt at hol.gr Wed May 6 08:06:33 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:06:33 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU In-Reply-To: <354EF681.488083EC@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 05-May-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > *** PERI 5adas --- > Ioannou ? (leo xima onomata bas kai piasei) > Kabrianis ? > Milate re... Eeee, katse , ti trexeis ? Egw mporo na diathesw (logo douleias) apogeymata meta tis 6:30 kai Sabbata. An boleyoun aytes oi wres/meres gia thn douleia pou prepei na ginei eimai mesa. > *** PERI Tameiou > An parameinei xoris ethelonti na to analavei i voula sanida ? > milate ... OK, synfwnw. > koitakste to kai doste mas to OK (an einai OK) oi ektos athinon na > ipograpsoume gia aftous. Oi alloi tha prepei na sinantithoume! NAI > THA > VREITE DISTIXOS XRONO NA SINANTITHOUME (oxi anagastika oloi mazi alla > sigoura o kathenas me ton tameia kai gia ipoggrafes)! Kathoriste rantebou. Kai, Evripidi, mhn trexeis etsi pls. Toso kairo eimaste xwris Hellug, mia mera panw, mia katw den xathikame. I.Ioannou From roryt at hol.gr Wed May 6 08:18:32 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:18:32 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980505135729.006a1254@freemail.gr> Message-ID: On 05-May-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > diskolo den vgenoume 20 apo tin a8ina simfona me ta stixia pou exo.. Genika den exoume poly kinhsh . Den rixnoume mia elkklhsh sthn greek-users ? I.Ioannou From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed May 6 09:42:33 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:42:33 +0300 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU References: Message-ID: <35500659.8E72457A@ametro.gr> > Eeee, katse , ti trexeis ? Ela nte! Ti mou'rthe kai to pira etsi zesta? > Egw mporo na diathesw (logo douleias) apogeymata meta tis 6:30 kai > Sabbata. An boleyoun aytes oi wres/meres gia thn douleia pou prepei na > ginei eimai mesa. OK! Den ksero an volevoun alla fisi apaisiodoksos isos xreiastei kai kathimerini ergasimes ores. Ara genika den volevoun mallon. Tha po pantos ston dikigoro, sta dikastiria klp na anoiksoun apogevma kai Savvato. Anemene neotera. > Kathoriste rantebou. Poioi na to kanonisoume? Emeis (poioi)? Giati oxi esi? > Kai, Evripidi, mhn trexeis etsi pls. Toso kairo eimaste xwris Hellug, > mia mera panw, mia katw den xathikame. OK! kovo tous rithmous mou, tha steilo mail na sas po peri dikis mou mellontikis diathesimotitas. As minoume ligo parapano xoris Hellug. Sosti skepsi. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed May 6 09:52:02 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:52:02 +0300 Subject: TELIKA DEN EXOUME OLOI XRONO References: Message-ID: <35500892.54394EA6@ametro.gr> Apo oti vlepo ta (mellontika) meli mas exoun elipsi xronou: - Kapou ego berdeftika... kai ekana kai ligi douleia gia afto to thema tou syllogou, kai exasa kai ton ligo xrono pou eixa tha mou epitrepsete na eimai o protos pou den borei na treksei allo gia afto to skopo. - Kai ego doulevo - Kai epeidi o dikigoros einai kai theios mou kai den thelo na ektetho (pou kapou ekei tha paei an den eimaste apofasismenoi) eite oikonomika, eite me tin 20ada ipografon, eite me adynamia 5adas, eite me rantevou ektos ergasimon oron tou, i otidipote allo... as analavei kapoios allos na trexei, me tous rithmous tou kai otan kataliksei kapou, emeis efxaristos na tou ipograpsoume oti xartia thelei kai na dosoume tin sindromi mas. (panta an mas volevoun ta rantevou, oi ores pou tha pei, to meros klp) Mexri loipon na vrethei 5ada (ante 4ada) pou exei xrono, i toulaxiston tha kopsei to kefali tis na vrei, na mazeftoun oi ipografes ton allon 19, na mazeftoun lefta apo ola ta loipa meli, neos dikigoros, ego rixno tous rithmous mou, ksaplaro edo sto grafeio mou kai perimeno na matho apo ti lista pote tha eimaste etoimoi. Den iponoo tipota, oute flame einai... apla tha kerdiso xrono kai tha ton xanei kapoios allos. Pio sosto mou fainetai etsi : na trexoun alloi anti gia sena. See'ya when I see'ya Evripidis linux.airtour.gr From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Wed May 6 13:01:10 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:01:10 -0000 (GMT) Subject: TELIKA DEN EXOUME OLOI XRONO In-Reply-To: <35500892.54394EA6@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 06-May-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: >>Apo oti vlepo ta (mellontika) meli mas exoun elipsi xronou: To ypoloipo kobetai gia logous bandwidth... Theoro os mi paralifthen ayto to e-mail, kai synexizo akathektos. Loipon, ego eimai mesa stin 5ada kai proines ores an xreiastei, mexri telos Maiou. Lypamai, alla meta to telos Maiou APOKLEIETAI na mporeso na leipso apo tin douleia mou proines ores. Gia ta lefta kai tis ypografes, to rantebou prepei na kanonistei apo tin Voula Sanida (prosorinos tamias) kai ton Kvsta Maistreli (pou krataei ti lista onomaton). Perimeno loipon protaseis apo aytous. Mixalis Kabrianis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Wed May 6 13:24:17 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:24:17 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: TELIKA DEN EXOUME OLOI XRONO In-Reply-To: <35500892.54394EA6@ametro.gr> Message-ID: Meta apo poly kairo apousias brhka kai egw ligo xrono... (and the flame goes on...) Re paidia, hremhste, parte mia bathia anasa, giati eimaste ligo prin to telos (ths 1hs fashs) kai einai krima na stamathsoume. To pio dyskolo problhma apo thn olh diadikasia einai na brethoun 5 atoma mazi sto grafeio tou dikhgorou ena prwino. Den einai kai toso tragiko. Ap' oson exw rwthsei, oi 20 ypografes mporoun na mpoun se diaforetikous xronous, apla katatithetai to katastatiko oloklhrwmeno. Shmera (Tetarth), tha anebw sthn Athina mazi me ton Giwrgo Keramida, opote eimaste sthn diathesi sas gia themata tou HELUG 'h kamia synanthsh. YG: H idea ths ypografhs allwn gia allous einai polu kakh, kai einai kalon na thn apofygoume (afou mporoume na to kanoume). Egw mporw na tajidepsw Patra-Athina-Thessaloniki-Komotinh kai na mazepsw tis ypografes. Opoios analabei to tameio, as anoijei ena proswrino logariasmo gia na mazepsoume ta xrhmata ekei (egw protimw thn Pistews san trapeza, ean thelete ton anoigoume). H trapeza einai o kalyteros tropos sylloghs twn xrhmatwn, giati parexei kai apodeijh. Xairetw sas, tha ta poume sthn Athina. (Gia Pempth brady?) +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From kremidas at www.lrf.gr Thu May 7 00:29:34 1998 From: kremidas at www.lrf.gr (Kremmidas Kleanthis) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TELIKA DEN EXOUME OLOI XRONO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Loipon mporeitai na me metrate sta 5 atoma pou thelete gia ton dikigoro. As einai. Yparxoun kai ta Sabbata. :))) Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation(LRF) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Wed May 6 11:28:13 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 6 May 1998 08:28:13 GMT Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG References: , <3.0.3.32.19980505100756.00719d28@suna> Message-ID: >pios einai dynaton na einai sponsoras gia mas sth ellada ?? >8a afhnei o sponsoras na kanume ayta pu 8elume emeis ?? (dhl. kai o logos >pu ton bazume mesa) >me alla logia h eimaste ikanoi na kanume kati apo thn "agaph" twn melwn h >de exei nohma na eimaste sto sylogo Kai to MIT exei sponsores se diafora programmata tou alla pote kaneis den amfisbitise oti prokeitai gia to kalytero panepistimio. Den kanei oti tou lene oi sponsores, alla autoi xeroun oti o,ti kanei tous endiaferei, gi'auto kai to xrimatodotoune. >eyxaristw >vp. -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Wed May 6 11:30:05 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 6 May 1998 08:30:05 GMT Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG References: , Message-ID: In article , Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: >Apo tin alli, dimiourgeitai to exis problima: >Analambanoume syntyrisi mias etaireias os syllogos: >Poios einai ypeythynos (o syllogos?) >Poios diasfalizei stin etaireia oti tha exei panta kapoion gia syntirisi (o >syllogos?) >An i apantisi stis pio pano erotiseis einai nai, dimiourgeitai megalo problima >me tin ethelontiki i mi ergasia, kai tis syneisfores tou syllogoy pros ta >meli. O noon noeito. Pistevo pos o syllogos tha proteinei kapoion kai i etairia tha ton plironei auton ton kapoion. (Min perimeneis kapoios na doulevei se etairia kai na tis syntirei ta systimata mi kerdoskopika!) > Mixalis Kabrianis > mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr > Network Management Center >Agricultural University of Athens > -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk Wed May 6 17:24:36 1998 From: vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk (Vaios Papaioannou) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:24:36 +0100 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19980505100756.00719d28@suna> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980506152436.0293eb14@suna> At 08:28 06/05/98 GMT, you wrote: >>pios einai dynaton na einai sponsoras gia mas sth ellada ?? >>8a afhnei o sponsoras na kanume ayta pu 8elume emeis ?? (dhl. kai o logos >>pu ton bazume mesa) >>me alla logia h eimaste ikanoi na kanume kati apo thn "agaph" twn melwn h >>de exei nohma na eimaste sto sylogo >Kai to MIT exei sponsores se diafora programmata tou alla pote kaneis >den amfisbitise oti prokeitai gia to kalytero panepistimio. Den kanei oti >tou lene oi sponsores, alla autoi xeroun oti o,ti kanei tous endiaferei, >gi'auto kai to xrimatodotoune. > >>eyxaristw >>vp. > kai pios 8a kanei ayth th duleia sto hellug sthn ellada to plaisio h h papaswthrioy ?? vp. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed May 6 17:42:56 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 17:42:56 +0300 Subject: KATASTATIKO v.2 Message-ID: <355076F0.B6AAA2BD@ametro.gr> Gia xara, to arxeio tou Kosta tou Maistreli me to neo katastatiko opos afto proekipse meta apo diorthoseis einai sto linux.airtour.gr sto linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/060598a.html i apo linux.airtour.gr main page, meta sta nea kai apo ekei sto antistoixo link. Osoi pistoi proselthete. Voula kai Evripidis kai Kostas From bcostas at hol.gr Wed May 6 21:26:49 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:26:49 +0300 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU References: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3550AB68.A92ACDBB@hol.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Loipon gia na proxorame ligo ta themata, > epikoinonisa me ton dikigoro ... mou eipe pos gia na proxorisei i > diadikasia einai ipoxreotiko na iparxoun 5 meli ton opoion > onomata/dievthinseis klp tha tou dothoun. Aftoi tha prepei na einai > diathesimoi na parastoun sto dikigoriko grafeio kapoia mera gia > diatiposeis, grafeiokraties kai tetoia. Kata poy peftei to grafeio? Kai dexetai kai apogevmata giati ta prwina einai zorika. From bcostas at hol.gr Wed May 6 22:02:38 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:02:38 +0300 Subject: TELIKA DEN EXOUME OLOI XRONO References: <35500892.54394EA6@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3550B3CE.227B063E@hol.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Den iponoo tipota, oute flame einai... apla tha kerdiso xrono kai tha > ton xanei kapoios allos. Pio sosto mou fainetai etsi : na trexoun alloi > anti gia sena. > To ti yponoeis einai profanes, mh mas pernas kai gia malakes!!!. An einai na xalasoyme tis kardies mas as mhn to kanoyme ka6oloy, proswpika 6a zhsw kai xwris hellug, gia na ekshgoymaste. Alla epeidh esy mporeis na kseklepseis kapoies wres shmainei oti osoi den mporoyn einai tempelhdes!!!? Kai giati parakalw perneis anapodes? Se exwse kanenas apo edw mesa? Mhpws se grapsame sta palia mas ta papoytsia kai den to phrame xampari? 'H mhpws epeidh esy pisteveis oti ola einai kseka6arismena 6a prepei na einai kiolas? Edw akoma den exoyme kseka6arisei an 6a einai kerdoskopikos 'h oxi o syllogos? Ti yphresies 6a prosferei kai ena swro alla. Poy einai dhladh to kako na syzhthsoyme ligo? Den soy zhthse kanenas na trexeis san palavos kai na ksodeveis ton elaxisto xrono soy, ama 6eleis asxoleisai an oxi kalws. Pantws xarh den mas kaneis, oyte kanenas edw mesa, symperilamvanomenoy kai toy eaytoy moy. Costas Barakitis. From istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr Tue May 5 22:53:59 1998 From: istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr (Stoilis Ioannis) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:53:59 +0300 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG References: , <3.0.3.32.19980505100756.00719d28@suna> Message-ID: <354F6E57.C271CE1E@beli.vet.auth.gr> > Kai to MIT exei sponsores se diafora programmata tou alla pote kaneis > den amfisbitise oti prokeitai gia to kalytero panepistimio. Den kanei oti > tou lene oi sponsores, alla autoi xeroun oti o,ti kanei tous endiaferei, > gi'auto kai to xrimatodotoune. e3hgiomaste gia na mhn pare3hgiomaste. Egw den eipa na kanoume enan sullogo pou 8a legetai: "HELLUG-MEBGAL TO KALO GIAOYRTI". Opws eipe kai o Nikos, eimaste autoi pou eimaste, kai se opoion aresoume...an den mas uposthri3oun, problhma tous...emeis 8a sunexisoume... From istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr Tue May 5 22:59:46 1998 From: istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr (Stoilis Ioannis) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:59:46 +0300 Subject: TELIKA DEN EXOUME OLOI XRONO References: Message-ID: <354F6FB2.C572AEFB@beli.vet.auth.gr> > YG: H idea ths ypografhs allwn gia allous einai polu kakh, kai einai kalon > na thn apofygoume (afou mporoume na to kanoume). Egw mporw na tajidepsw > Patra-Athina-Thessaloniki-Komotinh kai na mazepsw tis ypografes. an einai na er8eis 8essaloniki gia na mezepseis upografes, steile mou mail kai 8a analabw na sou mazepsw tous 8essalonikious, wste otan er8eis na mhn talaipwreisai, ok? From kokni at eexi.gr Wed May 6 23:29:28 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (kokni at eexi.gr) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:29:28 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Kerdoskopikos ?????? In-Reply-To: <3550B3CE.227B063E@hol.gr> Message-ID: > To ti yponoeis einai profanes, mh mas pernas kai gia malakes!!!. Molis mpika sthn lista (h ka8ysterhsh wfeiletai se texnikous logous kai oxi se adiaforia), alla blepw oti ta aimata kiolas anapsan :-)) Omws, eida epishs oti 8igetai to 8ema "kerdoskopikos h oxi syllogos". Epeidh den exw parakoloy8hsei apo thn arxh thn lista, rwtaw an exei 3eka8aristei to 8ema auto. Dieukrinizw oti enw exw olh thn kalh dia8esh na symetasxw sthn prospa8eia, den proti8emai se *kammia* periptwsh na ginw melos kerdoskopikou swmateiou (gia forologikous logous kyriws alla epishs kai gia logous nomikhs eu8hyhs). Apo thn teleutaia fora pou anamix8hka me to 8ema tou Hellug (se mia synathsh sthn Florian), fainetai oti kapoia pragmata allazoun (??) ws pros ton xarakthra tou syllogou, kai parakalw na mou 3eka8arisete poios e8ese to 8ema tou "kerdoskopikou syllogou" kai me poia aitiologia. Filika, Nikos Kokras P.S. Hremia, hremia hremia hremia ... From istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr Tue May 5 23:31:09 1998 From: istoilis at beli.vet.auth.gr (Stoilis Ioannis) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 23:31:09 +0300 Subject: TELIKA DEN EXOUME OLOI XRONO References: <35500892.54394EA6@ametro.gr> <3550B3CE.227B063E@hol.gr> Message-ID: <354F770D.75CFA615@beli.vet.auth.gr> Costas wrote: > > Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > ? Den iponoo tipota, oute flame einai... apla tha kerdiso xrono kai tha > ? ton xanei kapoios allos. Pio sosto mou fainetai etsi : na trexoun alloi > ? anti gia sena. > ? > > To ti yponoeis einai profanes, mh mas pernas kai gia malakes!!!. An einai na > xalasoyme tis kardies mas as mhn to kanoyme ka6oloy, proswpika 6a zhsw kai > xwris hellug, gia na ekshgoymaste. Alla epeidh esy mporeis na kseklepseis > kapoies wres shmainei oti osoi den mporoyn einai tempelhdes!!!? Kai giati > parakalw perneis anapodes? Se exwse kanenas apo edw mesa? Mhpws se grapsame > sta palia mas ta papoytsia kai den to phrame xampari? 'H mhpws epeidh esy > pisteveis oti ola einai kseka6arismena 6a prepei na einai kiolas? Edw akoma > den exoyme kseka6arisei an 6a einai kerdoskopikos 'h oxi o syllogos? Ti > yphresies 6a prosferei kai ena swro alla. Poy einai dhladh to kako na > syzhthsoyme ligo? Den soy zhthse kanenas na trexeis san palavos kai na > ksodeveis ton elaxisto xrono soy, ama 6eleis asxoleisai an oxi kalws. Pantws > xarh den mas kaneis, oyte kanenas edw mesa, symperilamvanomenoy kai toy > eaytoy moy. > > Costas Barakitis. Eilikrina sumfwnw me ton Costa. An den mporoume KAN na kseklepsoume xrono gia na idrusoume epitelous auton ton sullogo, tote ti diaolo pame na kanoume? an kanoume ton sullogo kai organwsoume ta seminaria sxetika me to linux, poia 8a einai h xrhsimothta, an oloi leme oti den exoume xrono? auta einai anohsies...an einai na kanoume ton sullogo apla kai mono gia na uparxei tote kalutera na mhn ginei ka8olou...e3alou, polla nomika pesane mesa, polloi dikhgoroi kai arxizw na pisteuw oti 8a prepei na steilw to katastatiko ston dikhgoro mou gia na mou to e3hghsei. Mia sfragida tou kratous kai ena xartoshmo twn 100 draxmwn den 8a mas orisei san omada... From vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk Thu May 7 01:12:30 1998 From: vp at sna.co.umist.ac.uk (Vaios Papaioannou) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:12:30 +0100 Subject: Kerdoskopikos xaraktiras 'h mi tou HELLUG In-Reply-To: <354F6E57.C271CE1E@beli.vet.auth.gr> References: <3.0.3.32.19980505100756.00719d28@suna> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980506231230.0072f0fc@suna> >o Nikos, eimaste autoi pou eimaste, kai se opoion aresoume...an den mas >uposthri3oun, problhma tous...emeis 8a sunexisoume... > > ftuuu kai gw pu nomiza oti o syllogos htan syllogikh prospa8eia... vp. From roryt at hol.gr Thu May 7 03:09:15 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 03:09:15 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Flame (was Re: PERI SYLLOGOU) In-Reply-To: <35500659.8E72457A@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 06-May-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: >> Eeee, katse , ti trexeis ? > Ela nte! Ti mou'rthe kai to pira etsi zesta? > ----flame deleted ---- To parapanw to theoro aparadekto kai eirwniko. Apeythinetai prosopika se emena opote kai h apanthsh tha paei prosopika. I.Ioannou From axrst at otenet.gr Thu May 7 02:14:16 1998 From: axrst at otenet.gr (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 02:14:16 +0300 Subject: PERI SYLLOGOU References: <354EDB3C.7721690E@ametro.gr>, Message-ID: <3550EEC8.C6330262@otenet.gr> Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > Eimai entos Athinas, alla gia kalo kai gia kako, kai gia na eimaste oloi > kalymmenoi, dne briskoume 20 apo tin Athina (min to deite pali giati Athina kai > oxi Xanthi, Evros, Thess/niki, Patra, Irakleio klp. To leo mono gia logous > eykolias) Xmmm, jexases thn Amaliada DIAMARTYROMAI entonws :-)))) As poyme kai tipote off-topic na jeskasoyme ...! Xrst. From axrst at otenet.gr Thu May 7 02:33:04 1998 From: axrst at otenet.gr (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 02:33:04 +0300 Subject: TELIKA DEN EXOUME OLOI XRONO References: , <35500892.54394EA6@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3550F330.D08D2F67@otenet.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Den iponoo tipota, oute flame einai... apla tha kerdiso xrono kai tha > ton xanei kapoios allos. Pio sosto mou fainetai etsi : na trexoun alloi > anti gia sena. Evripidi, kapoy exeis dikio, alla den ajizei na xalasoyme tis kardies mas kai na stenaxwrh8oyme. Apo th meria moy blepw oti exeis kanei megalh prospa8eia, kai makari na th synexiseis. Den nomizw oti kapoios 8a h8ele na ekmetalleytei toys alloys. Poly 8a h8ela na hmoyn ki egw A8hna, gia na parathsw oso mporw th doyleia moy kai na boh8hsw to syllogo. O ka8enas 8a prepei na boh8aei oso mporei kai oso exei orejh. Den shmainei oti oi alloi ton pianoyn koroido. As synexisoyme loipon oloi ki as boh8hsei o ka8enas oso mporei. Esy eidika, poy me th 8ermh poy exeis parei to pragma boh8hses na proxwrhsei poly grhgora, den prepei na ta parathseis... Elpizw na to janaskefteis. Paramenontas sth dia8esh sas gia opoia doyleia 8a mproysa na boh8hsw apo edw poy briskomai, Xrst. From gmouzo at athena.compulink.forthnet.gr Thu May 7 03:59:40 1998 From: gmouzo at athena.compulink.forthnet.gr (Giorgos Mouzourellis) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 03:59:40 +0300 Subject: Ki allh synanthsh Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980507035940.00966c30@mailgate.forthnet.gr> Mipos telika prepei na ginei allh mia synanthsh ,na doyme apo konta kapoies lyseis. Kai epiteloys na doyme an mporoyme na mazeytoyme 20 (kai oxi 3 h 6) atoma. Olh h istoria toy sylogoy basizetai (pisteyo) sto oti to tha mazeyetai kapoios arithmos atomon gia na pragmatopioyntai kai ayta poy leei to katastatiko. An den mporoyme na mazeytoyme oyte pente(5) ti sto kalo syzhtame gia sylogo. Filika Giorgos -------------- From kremidas at www.lrf.gr Thu May 7 20:00:58 1998 From: kremidas at www.lrf.gr (Kremmidas Kleanthis) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Gia ton Sillogo In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980507035940.00966c30@mailgate.forthnet.gr> Message-ID: Kalimera se olous, Kat'arxin tha ithela na sistiso se olous iremia. Den iparxei noima na sto na tsakonomaste. Allwste h dimiourgia ths HELLUG exei na kanei me to meraki tou kathenos mas gia to Linux kai pos auto tha matheutei pros ta e3w (apo ton kiklo mas). Den theoro swsti tin apopsi pou leei oti mias kai den ipirxe HELLUG mexri twra siga kai ti egine an den iparxei gia ligo kairo akoma. Me auti tin logiki fe3e mou kai glistrisa opws leei kai h paroimia. Genika o Evripidis exei kanei arketi douleia, mpravo tou kai tha ithela na 3anaskefti se oti afora to thema stamatimatos tis douleias tou. Einai krima na ftasoume stin pigi kai na min pioume nero. Eimaste liga bimata apo tin dimiourgia tis HELLUG... Prosopika mporo na parabretho ston dikigoro oles sxedon tis imeres (ektos apo tin Deutera 11 Mai). Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation(LRF) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From voulariba at rocketmail.com Thu May 7 14:51:16 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 04:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: epomeno bhma Message-ID: <19980507115116.19458.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Epeidh ap'oti ematha ta dikasthria kleinoun gyrw ston Iounio, prepei na epispefsoume kapws tis diadikasies. Opote proteinw na ksekinisoume na mazevoume xrhmata kai ypografes. H diadikasia sylloghs twn ypografwn tha mas talaipwrhsei kapws giati yparxei provlhma sto na brethoume kai oi 20 thn idia mera kai wra kapou. Tha prepei ta onomata twn melwn na einai typwmena se mia kolla xarti kai dipla na mpainoun oi ypografes. Opws katalabainete, an o NO. 3 allaksei gnwmh kai den thelei na einai melos, de mporei na sbhstei kai na mazeftoume oloi pali ap'thn arxh na ksanaypograpsoume. Opote opoios exei dhlwsei gia melos kai de thelei, as to dhlwsei apo twra ston Costa to Maistreli. Sxetika me ta xrhmata, prosferthike o Giorgos o Keramidas -apo Patra- (elpizw na mhn ekana lathos to onoma) na to analabei. Tha anoiksei ena logariasmo sthn Trapeza Pistws eidika gia afto to logo, tha mas steilei mail me leptomereies kai o kathenas tha katathetei to poso pou tou analogei (gyrw stis 8000) kai tha krata to apokoma apo thn trapeza. De tha ginontai plhrwmes xeri-xeri gia na mporei na fainetai poios, poso kai pote plhrwse. === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ds at suse.de Thu May 7 18:56:03 1998 From: ds at suse.de (Doris Seiler) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:56:03 +0200 (MEST) Subject: SuSE Linux In-Reply-To: <35507B3A.19126767@ceid.upatras.gr> Message-ID: Hello again, I am pleased to notice that you appreciate our distribution and that slowly more and more people in Greece switch over to Linux now, as well. I'll ship you tomorrow a second copy for your User Group and some Demonstration CDs of Suse Linux 5.2. As delivery by mail takes quite a long time I'll ship it by UPS, so I hope someone will be there to receive delivery, as UPS want a signature when handing out the parcel, wich should arrive within 4 working days. If you wish you can take this demo CD for distribution with the computer magazine which you were talking about. We had in other countries as well such cover CDs distributed in computer magazines, for example in the spanish PC World, which contributed in increasing the popularity of our distribution, as people are always enthousiastic about Suse Linux. So let me know if you find the demo CD suitable. If not we can produce another one, and include what you, or the magazine wishes. I would just like to know which magazine we are talking about, and eventually get a copy of this magazine. So please ask them to to so, or send me their phone number so that I can contact them. As for the parts included in Suse Linux which are GPLed, you may find them in the ReadMe files on the CDs, or on our FTP server. It's mainly our YAST, which isn't GPLed and some other packages, but we may include them also on the cover CD. Please keep me informed. Best regards, Doris Seiler > I received it, I testes it, I was really very satisfied by Suse 5.1 > and found the professional-like feel of an Operating System. > I demonstrated it to more than 30 people (!!!), among others there were > significant members of Greek Linux Community. > I created a big interest on Suse Linux here in Greece, > and we are studuing now, if this will be the first Linux distribution > we'll place Greek support in (Internationalization). > I would like to know (ASAP!), which parts of Suse Linux are GPLed, > because > we (HELLUG - Hellenic Linux Community) want to distribute a free CD with > Linux, > through a greek magazine. We have to choose between RedHat and Suse. > If you want it to be you (I want it this way), please send me > an official approval!, carbon copy: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr, > which is the communication list between us. > > I already ordered 2 Linux Suse 5.2 from STEP (representative of Suse in > Athens), > through mail order and I guess I'll have them tomorrow, > but would be very happy with an additional demo for PLUG, if this is > possible. > > > > Georgatos Photis > > > Aliartou 32, Lambrini > > > Athens, TK 11142 > > > GREECE > > Keep up the good work! Congratulations to every one there. > > An impressed active linux enthousiast. > Georgatos Photis > > And another one (both pretty active on Linux I18N, E14N) > Keramidas George > > -- > +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ > | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | > | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | > | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | > | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ > | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | > | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | > | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | > +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ > Best regards, Doris Seiler +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Doris Seiler, S.u.S.E. GmbH, Gebhardtstr. 2, 90762 Fuerth, Germany E-Mail: ds at suse.de Voice: +49-911-74053-81 FAX: +49-911-7417755 WWW: http://www.suse.de (german) www.suse.de/e/ (engl) http://www.suse.de/f/ (french) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bcostas at hol.gr Thu May 7 20:51:16 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:51:16 +0300 Subject: Ki allh synanthsh References: <3.0.5.32.19980507035940.00966c30@mailgate.forthnet.gr> Message-ID: <3551F494.B20D9A2C@hol.gr> Giorgos Mouzourellis wrote: > Mipos telika prepei na ginei allh mia synanthsh ,na doyme > apo konta kapoies lyseis. > Kai epiteloys na doyme an mporoyme na mazeytoyme 20 (kai oxi 3 h 6) atoma. > Olh h istoria toy sylogoy basizetai (pisteyo) sto oti to tha mazeyetai > kapoios arithmos atomon gia na pragmatopioyntai kai ayta poy leei to > katastatiko. > An den mporoyme na mazeytoyme oyte pente(5) ti sto kalo syzhtame gia sylogo. > Kai pente kai perissoteroi mporoyme na mazeytoyme, toylaxiston etsi 6elw na pistevw. Alla epeidh eimaste arketoi den 6a htan fronimo na to kanonisoyme mia vdomada pio prin? Etsi na mas poyn oloi osoi endiaferontai poies meres mporoyn. Mporei na akoygetai geloio oti gia mia synanthsh 6a syzhtame mia vdomada alla den ginetai alliws. From bcostas at hol.gr Thu May 7 21:01:37 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 21:01:37 +0300 Subject: Kerdoskopikos ?????? References: Message-ID: <3551F701.5C313A17@hol.gr> kokni at eexi.gr wrote: > Dieukrinizw oti enw exw olh thn kalh dia8esh na symetasxw sthn prospa8eia, den > proti8emai se *kammia* periptwsh na ginw melos kerdoskopikou swmateiou (gia > forologikous logous kyriws alla epishs kai gia logous nomikhs eu8hyhs). > Apo thn teleutaia fora pou anamix8hka me to 8ema tou Hellug (se mia synathsh > sthn Florian), fainetai oti kapoia pragmata allazoun (??) ws pros ton xarakthra > tou syllogou, kai parakalw na mou 3eka8arisete poios e8ese to 8ema tou > "kerdoskopikou syllogou" kai me poia aitiologia. > Filika, Koitakse den einai opws akrivws fainetai to 6ema. Arxika 6ixthke to gegonos oti kapoia stimgh o syllogos 6a prosferei kapoies yphrhsies gia tis opoies 6a prepei na amoivetai. Twra apo ekei mexri to kerdos yparxei terastia diafora. Giati kai to Deree einai mh kerdoskopikos organismos alla ayto den shmainei oti den plhrwnetai gia tis yphresies toy. Apla symfwna me to diko moy kefali an kapoia mera feripein apofasiseis san Hellug na diorganwseis ena synedrio tote apo poy 6a vgoyn ta xrhmata? Den mporeis na les monimws sta melh plhrwste. Oyte mporeis na ka6oriseis apo prin to ypsos ths amoivhs wste na kalypseis ola ta tyxon eksoda sthn poreia. An ta melh einai polla tote isws ayto ginetai alla kai pali yparxei to 6ema ti ginetai an perisepsoyn lefta apo tis syndromes. Syzhthsh kanoyme na doyme poy 6a katalhksoyme. Costas Barakitis From fm94 at freemail.gr Thu May 7 23:07:34 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 23:07:34 +0300 Subject: SINANTISI SABATO 6:00 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980507230734.006af6f0@freemail.gr> SABATO 18:00 PLATEIA E3ARXION kafe floral * oxi den einai kapioi metoxoi tou kafe floral, tora pou 8a katevoume na broume kai kana alo magazi etsi gia alagi :-) na valoume ta pragmata se mia ta3i.. From roryt at hol.gr Fri May 8 06:49:26 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 06:49:26 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Kerdoskopikos ?????? In-Reply-To: <3551F701.5C313A17@hol.gr> Message-ID: Prwta apo ola : den yparxei thema , h tha einai mh kerdoskopikos h tipota. To thema einai an mporei na exei edoda mesa sta plaisia toy "mh kerdoskopikou" pou na diatithontai gia seminaria klp. Loipon, to parakatw basizetai se ermhneia toy Astikou Kwdika oson afora toys syllogous (tha koitaksw an ginei sinantisi to Sabbato na to ferw mazi mou) : Se genikes grammes o kwdikas DEN epitrepei se mh kerdoskopiko syllogo na exei esoda apo ypiresies. Yparxei ena parathiraki pou milaei gia esoda apo ekdhlwseis klp pou skopeyoun sthn sintirisi tou sylogou, alla einai ligo aoristo. Tha to psaksw ligo akomi (edw thelei ontos dikigoro) alla epimenw oti then einai krisimo. Mporoume na to proxwrhsoume opos htan arxika kai an xreiastei yparxei h lysh ths dwreas apo melos ston sylogo. On 07-May-98 Costas wrote: > kokni at eexi.gr wrote: >> proti8emai se *kammia* periptwsh na ginw melos kerdoskopikou >> swmateiou (gia > > Koitakse den einai opws akrivws fainetai to 6ema. Arxika 6ixthke to > gegonos oti > kapoia stimgh o syllogos 6a prosferei kapoies yphrhsies gia tis > opoies 6a prepei na > amoivetai. Twra apo ekei mexri to kerdos yparxei terastia diafora. I.Ioannou From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Fri May 8 11:18:14 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:18:14 -0000 (GMT) Subject: SINANTISI SABATO 6:00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980507230734.006af6f0@freemail.gr> Message-ID: On 07-May-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: >>SABATO 18:00 PLATEIA E3ARXION kafe floral Ego eimai mesa. Mixalis Kabrianis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens From kokni at eexi.gr Fri May 8 09:04:30 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:04:30 +0300 (EEST) Subject: SINANTISI SABATO 6:00 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 08-May-98 Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > > On 07-May-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: >>>SABATO 18:00 PLATEIA E3ARXION kafe floral > > Ego eimai mesa. Otan lete SABATO 18:00, ennoeite aurio ? P.S. Afou den exei to Hellug h ta melh tou metoxes sto floral, eh, kairos na apokthsei :-) ---------------------------- Nikos Kokras Date: 08-May-98 09:03:12 EET ---------------------------- From voulariba at rocketmail.com Fri May 8 09:35:34 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SINANTISI SABATO 6:00 Message-ID: <19980508063534.26916.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Ki egw eimai mesa. Ferte kai th lista me ta onomata twn melwn. === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri May 8 08:48:49 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 08:48:49 +0300 Subject: SINANTISI SABATO 6:00 9/5/98 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980508084849.006ac2e8@freemail.gr> At 09:04 ?? 8/5/1998 +0300, you wrote: >> On 07-May-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: >>>>SABATO 18:00 PLATEIA E3ARXION kafe floral >> >> Ego eimai mesa. > >Otan lete SABATO 18:00, ennoeite aurio ? > otan stelno anakinosi gia sinantisi olo kati 3exnao :-) nai avrio.. SABATO 9/5/1998 From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri May 8 09:03:12 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:03:12 +0300 Subject: KATASTATIKO V.2. ti alages exei.. Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980508090312.006b70e0@freemail.gr> OI alages pou eginan sto katastatiko eginan simfona me afta pou ipo8ikan stin lista sigkekrimena me vasi afta pou ixa protinei ego kai eixan siziti8ei apo tin lista 8etika i adiafora: Sto Ar8ro 18 ekei pou anaferei to orio tou posou to opoio 8a analamvanei o tamias na kata8ese se trapeza an afto 3eperastei kai to orizei stis 50.000 egine mia alagi kai na prosteuei oti to poso afto mporei na alazei apo tin G.S. Sto ar8ro 27 opou anaferete i ekfrasi tameiakos enta3ei metatrapike se oikonomika taktopoiimenos gia na iparxei simfonia me proigoumena ar8ra opou i ekfrasi oiko. takt. orizete safos kai se kapia ala ar8ra episis egine i alagi afti Telos kapies ales protaseis ite den siziti8ikan opos afti tou tou Maurogianopoulou Nikou (apofaseis peri oikonomikon G.S. anti D.S.) eite apo tis sizitiseis fanike oti den mporoun na ensomato8oun opos afti tou Ioanou peri alagon stin paragrafo ton esodon tou silogou.. tora an iparxei kapia ali protasi pou mou 3efige kai 8a eprepe na ensomato8ei stin kenouria ekdosi.... STILTE kana mail.. afta gia na min diavazete olo to katastatiko v.2 kai psaxnete tis tromeres alages.. (afto to mail eprepe na to exo stilei mazi me tin anakinosi toy neou katastatikou... ala distixos den mporesa, an kapios talepori8ike psaxnontas tis alages.. signomi den to ekana epitides) From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Fri May 8 10:36:40 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:36:40 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: SINANTISI SABATO 6:00 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980507230734.006af6f0@freemail.gr> from Maistrelis Kostas at "May 7, 98 11:07:34 pm" Message-ID: <199805080736.KAA03520@hpc.ntua.gr> > SABATO 18:00 PLATEIA E3ARXION kafe floral > > * oxi den einai kapioi metoxoi tou kafe floral, tora pou 8a > katevoume na broume kai kana alo magazi etsi gia alagi :-) > > na valoume ta pragmata se mia ta3i.. Einai poly pi8ano na er8v kai egv. Omvs den exv ksanaer8ei, den kserv an xreiazomai kai den kserv pvs mporv na sas anagnvrisv kai na me anagnvrisete :-) Bye, Antonis -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Antonios Kavarnos (Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr) National Technical University of Athens ...born to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri May 8 10:37:58 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 10:37:58 +0300 Subject: SINANTISI SABATO 6:00 References: Message-ID: <3552B656.152F23FB@ametro.gr> Mesa, kai apo emena. Kosta, min ksexaseis lista me Onoma,Eponymo,Dievfthinsi, Thl (kane tin 4 fores, 2 theloume sigoura apo to nomo, den ksero bas kai xreiastei kai alli) kai xoro gia ipografi. O ksaderfos tou idioktiti tou Floral :-) (asteio einai paidia min me valete na keraso). Evripidis From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri May 8 09:42:19 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:42:19 +0300 Subject: SINANTISI SABATO 6:00 In-Reply-To: <199805080736.KAA03520@hpc.ntua.gr> References: <3.0.2.32.19980507230734.006af6f0@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980508094219.006ac83c@freemail.gr> >Einai poly pi8ano na er8v kai egv. Omvs den exv ksanaer8ei, den >kserv an xreiazomai kai den kserv pvs mporv na sas anagnvrisv kai >na me anagnvrisete :-) > >Bye, > Antonis Den iparxei provlima... 8a exoume mazimas kana paketo CD's Linux kana vivlio. kati 8a exoume pano sto trapezi 8a mas vris efkola Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri May 8 09:58:02 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:58:02 +0300 Subject: SINANTISI SABATO 6:00 In-Reply-To: <3552B656.152F23FB@ametro.gr> References: Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980508095802.006ac800@freemail.gr> At 10:37 ?? 8/5/1998 +0300, you wrote: >Mesa, kai apo emena. > >Kosta, min ksexaseis lista me Onoma,Eponymo,Dievfthinsi, Thl (kane tin 4 >fores, 2 theloume sigoura apo to nomo, den ksero bas kai xreiastei kai >alli) kai xoro gia ipografi. > >Evripidis Gia merikoys den exo akrivis dief8inseis.. xriazonte ola ta stixia aparetitos?? an ine na arxiso na stelno mail.. 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I.Ioannou From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Sat May 9 18:53:58 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 18:53:58 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: synanthsh, sorry Message-ID: <199805091553.SAA12496@hpc.ntua.gr> Sygnvmh, alla den mporesa na er8v sth synanthsh giati th nyxta den koimh8hka ka8oloy, logv aneilhmenvn ypoxrevsevn... Eimai dia8esimos omvs mia opoiadhpote stigmh na er8v na synanthsv ayton poy exei th lista, gia na ypograpsv kai na plhrvsv... Ena mail mono steilte moy... Sorry kai pali... Antonis -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Antonios Kavarnos (Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr) National Technical University of Athens ...born to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From roryt at hol.gr Mon May 11 02:14:30 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 02:14:30 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Gia ta perousiaka Message-ID: Loipon exw sta xeria mou toso to kommati toy Astikou Kwdika oso kai tis sxetikes ermhneies (me bibliografia kai anafores) pou sxetizetai gia ayta pou sizitagame gia ta perousiaka. Antigrafw ena kommati apo to arthro 78 : "Ο σκοπός, πρέπει να μην είναι κερδοσκοπικός, δnλαδή δεν πρέπει να επιδιώκονται ωφελήματα που έχουν περιουσιακή αξία για το σωματείο ή τα μέλη του και τα οποία επιτυγχάνονται συστηματικά με συμβάσεις έναντι ανταλλάγματος και όχι όταν προέρχονται από την εκμετάλλευση περιουσίας αυτού ή δραστηριότητάς του για την εξασφάλιση πόρων συντήρησής του." (με αναφορά Κατσιρέας, ΕΕN 34/811, Σπυριδάκης-Περάκης, ΓενΑρχ 78/3, ΕρμΑΚ 78 αρ. 28/38, Καρακατσάνης, ΕργΔικ Β σ 1130, ΠΠΔραμ NοΒ 21/822) Opws katalabenete ayto aporiptei teleios thn idea pou eixa proteinei gia paroxh ypostirikshs, ara to ksexname. Alla to deytero meros toy mporei na stiriksei esoda apo ekdhlwseis, eisfores klp (ta gnwsta) Den exw brei akomh thn teleytaia Forologikh Epitheorish pou milaei gia to an kai pws forologountai ayta. Exei kaneis ypopsh toy kati sygkekrimeno ? I.Ioannou From roryt at hol.gr Mon May 11 02:14:42 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 02:14:42 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: linux-greek-users-announce/listes toy argea Message-ID: To perasmeno Sabbato se sinantish ths hullug akousa kati pou me problhmatise : oti o ogkos se e-mail ths greek-users exei ginei apagoreutikos gia kapoia paidia pou den prolabainoyn na thn parakolouthisoun, kai oti tha htan kalo na yparksei mia modareted lista gia anakoinwseis/simantika nea klp klp. Akouo gnomes kai an einai na fiakso thn linux-greek-users-announce. (Ypopsi mporw na kanw modarate mono ta bradia meta tis 12:30) Ypenthimizw oti o argeas eksiperetei tis ekseis 4 listes pou sxetizontai me Linux : 1) linux-greek-users (fysika) 2) linux-greek-users-digest (h idia me thn prohgoumenh mono pou stelenei ena digest ana 40K) 3) linux-howto (gia osous theloun na bohthisoun stis metafraseis sta Ellinika twn HOW-TO/FAQs klp Ante re paidia dwste ena xeraki na teleiwnoume :-)) 4) hellug (gia osous theloun na simmetasxoun sthn koubenta pou ginetai me skopo thn dimiourgia syllogou - osoi pistoi proselthete) I.Ioannou From voulariba at rocketmail.com Mon May 11 15:28:41 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 05:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: onomata kai stoixeia melwn Message-ID: <19980511122841.24749.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> ---Stoilis Ioannis wrote: > telika me emas pou eimaste ektos A8inas, ti 8a ginei? Tha anebei sth Thessaloniki nomizw o Fotis o Georgatos to Savatokyriako kai tha mazepsei kai apo ekei merikes ypografes, alliws mporei na balei kapoios allos gia sas ean symfwneite. Pantws, opws kai na exei prepei na exete dwsei ta stoixeia sas. Mexri shmera exoume mazepsei 12 ypografes. Apo osous dhlwsan symmetoxh, prepei na ypograpsoun akomh oi : - Georgatos Photis - Keramidas Giorgos - Kremmydas Kleanthis - Kyriazopoulos Giannis - Bouras Dimitris - Exintaridis Giannis - Flouris Mixalis - Glavas Orestis As epikoinwnisoun mazi mou giati exw to xarti gia na brethoume na ypograpsoun kai aftoi. (Spiti =6017123, Douleia = 8843104, 8843117 - mexri 4:30) --Voula Sanida _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue May 12 10:44:15 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:44:15 +0300 Subject: Ipografes=12 logariasmos=0 Message-ID: <3557FDCF.83B96EE2@ametro.gr> Syntomi enimerosi: Ipografes mexri tora : 12 Perimenoume ton Photi i na parei to xarti stin patra na ipograpsoun alloi 3 (i kai me ton enallaktiko syntomo tropo). Kserei kaneis ti ginete me ton logariasmo trapezis pou tha anoige o Giorgos o Keramidas ? Evripidis From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Wed May 13 15:05:27 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Photis) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:05:27 +0300 Subject: ypografes=?? - logariasmos=530-002101-244172 References: <3557FDCF.83B96EE2@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <35598C87.609E51D8@ceid.upatras.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > Syntomi enimerosi: > Ipografes mexri tora : 12 > Perimenoume ton Photi i na parei to xarti stin patra na ipograpsoun > alloi 3 (i kai me ton enallaktiko syntomo tropo). > > Kserei kaneis ti ginete me ton logariasmo trapezis pou tha anoige o > Giorgos o Keramidas ? [[ keramidas writing ]] Anoija molis simera ton logariasmo stnv Alpha Pisteos. O logariasmos einai o: 530-002101-244172 sto ovoma "Keramidas Georgios (tou Epameinonda)" ki exei avoixtei sto kevtriko katastnma tns Pisteos stnv Patra... Yparxei mesa ston logariasmo ena poso (50,000) pou xreiazetai gia va givei ekivvnsn tou logariasmou, alla auto den mas peirazei, giati o kathenas pairnei apodeiksi molis katathetei ston logariasmo. O Photis tha taksidepsei kai stin Thessalonini auto i to allo sabbatokuriako. Kalo tha itan mexri tin Paraskeui na exouv ypograpsei oi Athinaioi gia na parei mazi tou to xarti (kai gia tin Patra). Parepiptontos to xarti exei paei ston dikigoro? -- Georgatos Photis & Keramidas Giorgos From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Wed May 13 18:16:11 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:16:11 -0000 (GMT) Subject: ypografes=?? - logariasmos=530-002101-244172 In-Reply-To: <35598C87.609E51D8@ceid.upatras.gr> Message-ID: >Anoija molis simera ton logariasmo stnv Alpha Pisteos. > >O logariasmos einai o: 530-002101-244172 sto ovoma "Keramidas Georgios >(tou Epameinonda)" ki exei avoixtei sto kevtriko katastnma tns Pisteos >stnv Patra... > >Yparxei mesa ston logariasmo ena poso (50,000) pou xreiazetai gia va >givei ekivvnsn tou logariasmou, alla auto den mas peirazei, giati o >kathenas pairnei apodeiksi molis katathetei ston logariasmo. >Georgatos Photis & >Keramidas Giorgos Thema: Gia ti poso milame? Kai epeidi den xeroume, ego proteino 10.000 drx/atomo. Elpizo na pesoun protaseis gia na apofasisoume syntoma, outos oste an tin alli Tetarti (8 meres) mporesei o Fotis na steilei to ypogegrammeno xarti, na mporesei kai o Evripidis mexri tin Paraskevi na kleisei rantebou me ton dikigoro. Mixalis Kabrianis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens From voulariba at rocketmail.com Thu May 14 10:03:55 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ypografes=?? - logariasmos=530-002101-244172 Message-ID: <19980514070355.4969.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> ---Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > Gia ti poso milame? Kai epeidi den xeroume, ego > proteino 10.000 drx/atomo. > Elpizo na pesoun protaseis gia na apofasisoume > syntoma, outos oste an tin alli Entaksei, 10.000 einai OK gia na eimaste sigouroi oti tha ftasoun ta lefta. Oi ypografes molis eginan 13 :-) === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr Thu May 14 14:50:10 1998 From: ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:50:10 +0300 Subject: Linux and GNU - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) Message-ID: <355ADA72.3CD173F@cc.uoi.gr> http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html From roryt at hol.gr Fri May 15 07:21:27 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:21:27 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: ypografes=?? - logariasmos=530-002101-244172 In-Reply-To: <19980514070355.4969.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: On 14-May-98 Voula Sanida wrote: > ---Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > > >> Gia ti poso milame? Kai epeidi den xeroume, ego > > proteino 10.000 drx/atomo. >> Elpizo na pesoun protaseis gia na apofasisoume > > syntoma, outos oste an tin alli > Entaksei, 10.000 einai OK gia na eimaste sigouroi oti > tha ftasoun ta lefta. Na arxisoume na katahetoume ? I.Ioannou From voulariba at rocketmail.com Fri May 15 10:01:28 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ypografes=?? - logariasmos=530-002101-244172 Message-ID: <19980515070128.2982.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> > Na arxisoume na katahetoume ? > > I.Ioannou Nai. Egw katethesa simera to prwi gia mena kai ton Evripidi Papakosta = 20000. Ante na mazeftoun kai ta lefta wste na proxwrhsoume :-) === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Fri May 15 15:25:12 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 15 May 1998 12:25:12 GMT Subject: Linux and GNU - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) References: <355ADA72.3CD173F@cc.uoi.gr> Message-ID: In article <355ADA72.3CD173F at cc.uoi.gr>, Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: >http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html Den xero an eidate to keimeno kai an symfoneite alla nomizo oti tha itan kalo na prosthetame to GNU/Linux sto onoma tou sylogou. -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Fri May 15 16:35:11 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:35:11 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: *GR Round Trip* & Re: Linux and GNU - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 May 1998, Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > In article <355ADA72.3CD173F at cc.uoi.gr>, Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > >http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html > Den xero an eidate to keimeno kai an symfoneite alla nomizo oti tha itan > kalo na prosthetame to GNU/Linux sto onoma tou sylogou. H idea na kanoume ton syllogo pio eyry apo to "Linux" yphrje kai dikh mou. Omws ean kanoume kati tetoio yparxei o kindynos na apoprosanatolistoume, 'h na mhn mporoume na tekmhriwsoume ston ejw kosmo ti kanoume (tha prepei na toys ekpaideysoyme ti einai Linux , ti einai GNU kai xilia dyo akoma). "Keep it simple" gia thn wra. Ean xreiastei na allajoume kati sto katastatiko (poy den to blepw prin apo mia 5etia) tha to kanoume. Ektos katastatikou mporoume san syllogos na eimaste pio eyeliktoi: Sthn prajh to katastatiko dinei "arxikes times" gia to syllogo (aythn thn koubenta thn eixa akousei se mathima ths Nomikhs Athinwn kai entypwsiasthka apo thn omoiothta me thn orologia twn H/Y). ---- To epomeno Sab/ko 23/5 me blepw boreia ellada (Thessaloniki-mporei Janthi-Komotini). Exw na meinw, alla an prosferthei kapoios gia filojenia endexomenws me boithisei. xairetw +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From roryt at hol.gr Sat May 16 07:08:17 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 07:08:17 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Linux and GNU - GNU Project - Free Sof In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15-May-98 Georgatos Fotis wrote: > On 15 May 1998, Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > >> In article <355ADA72.3CD173F at cc.uoi.gr>, Nikos Mavroyanopoulos >> wrote: >> >http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html >> Den xero an eidate to keimeno kai an symfoneite alla nomizo oti tha >> itan >> kalo na prosthetame to GNU/Linux sto onoma tou sylogou. > "Keep it simple" gia thn wra. Ouf, ayth h prospatheia twn anthropwn toy GNU na eleksoun to Linux. Mia zwh sthn mizeria tou "tha bgaloume to Hard", kai tora pou pragmati yparxei sobaro freeware u*ix leitoyrgiko, exoun lysaksei na to kapelosoun. As mhn tous kanoume thn xarh, osh xarh kai an xrostame sto GNU project. I.Ioannou From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Sat May 16 22:10:35 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 16 May 1998 19:10:35 GMT Subject: Linux and GNU - GNU Project - Free Sof References: , Message-ID: >Ouf, ayth h prospatheia twn anthropwn toy GNU na eleksoun to Linux. Mia >zwh sthn mizeria tou "tha bgaloume to Hard", kai tora pou pragmati Hurd:) >yparxei sobaro freeware u*ix leitoyrgiko, exoun lysaksei na to >kapelosoun. As mhn tous kanoume thn xarh, osh xarh kai an xrostame sto >GNU project. O logos pou prootheite tora to hurd einai mesa sto keimeno tou opoiou esteila to link. Kati san axaristia twn linux communities to perigrafei o Stallman. >I.Ioannou -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Sat May 16 22:08:51 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 16 May 1998 19:08:51 GMT Subject: *GR Round Trip* & Re: Linux and GNU - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) References: , Message-ID: >na toys ekpaideysoyme ti einai Linux , ti einai GNU kai xilia dyo akoma). >"Keep it simple" gia thn wra. >Ean xreiastei na allajoume kati sto katastatiko (poy den to blepw prin apo >mia 5etia) tha to kanoume. Ektos katastatikou mporoume san syllogos na To na prosthesoume to GNU den allazei tipota oute sto katastatiko oute stis ypoxrewseis tou syllogou. Kati san foros timis einai. Alloste den tha ypirxe linux an den itan i GNU. >To epomeno Sab/ko 23/5 me blepw boreia ellada (Thessaloniki-mporei >Janthi-Komotini). Exw na meinw, alla an prosferthei kapoios gia filojenia >endexomenws me boithisei. Ego Giannena eimai an peraseis apo edo kane kana til. (39497) -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From voulariba at rocketmail.com Mon May 18 10:05:49 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux and GNU - GNU Project - Free Sof Message-ID: <19980518070549.18605.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Kalh idea, alla erxetai ligo kathisterimenh ... Elpizw na mh sas th spaw, alla na sas ypenthimisw oti sta xartia pou exoume ypograpsei oloi grafei hdh to onoma toy syllogou kai twra pou plhsiazoume sto telos einai pia dyskolo na ksanagraftei kai na mazeftoume pali oloi ap'thn arxh gia nees ypografes. === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From yang at acropolis.net Mon May 18 19:20:55 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:20:55 +0300 Subject: katathesh Message-ID: <35605FE7.64A283D0@acropolis.net> shmera katethesa tis 10.000 Yannis............... From exindari at math.upatras.gr Wed May 20 02:28:34 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:28:34 +0300 Subject: Peri lefta kai ypografvn Message-ID: <356215A2.D0E86D8F@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Paidia den tha htan kalo na enhmervnatai kai osous den kseroyn poses ypografes exoyn mazeytei, posoi exoyn katathesei lefta sthn trapeza kathvw kai oti nevteres drasthriothtew exoyn ginei ??? Ayrio h methaurio tha katathesv kai egv. Giannis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed May 20 08:37:29 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:37:29 +0300 Subject: Peri lefta kai ypografvn References: <356215A2.D0E86D8F@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <35626C19.8A6ADEC6@ametro.gr> John Exidaridis wrote: > > Paidia den tha htan kalo na enhmervnatai kai osous den kseroyn poses > ypografes exoyn mazeytei, posoi exoyn katathesei lefta sthn trapeza > kathvw kai oti nevteres drasthriothtew exoyn ginei ??? Nai. Oi ipografes nomizo einai 17, kai tora ta xartia exoun paei Patra gia na ipograpsoun kai ta paidia ekei. Peri xrimaton den ksero, ta krataei o Keramidas. Alles drastiriotites den eginan. Perimenoume oles tis ipografes kai ta lefta. From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Wed May 20 14:14:55 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:14:55 +0300 Subject: 10000 more ... Message-ID: ...sthn Pisteos ... T. From axrst at otenet.gr Wed May 20 14:18:53 1998 From: axrst at otenet.gr (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:18:53 +0300 Subject: Peri lefta kai ypografvn References: <356215A2.D0E86D8F@ermis.math.upatras.gr>, <35626C19.8A6ADEC6@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3562BC1D.ADA33CCF@otenet.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Nai. Oi ipografes nomizo einai 17, kai tora ta xartia exoun paei Patra > gia na ipograpsoun kai ta paidia ekei. Peri xrimaton den ksero, ta > krataei o Keramidas. Alles drastiriotites den eginan. Perimenoume oles > tis ipografes kai ta lefta. Ayrio kata8etw ki egw ta lefta. Olo to jexnaw aytes tis hmeres giati exw mplejei me doyleies... Xrst. From axrst at otenet.gr Thu May 21 14:40:47 1998 From: axrst at otenet.gr (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:40:47 +0300 Subject: members? Message-ID: <356412BE.1840D356@otenet.gr> Re paidia na rwthsw kati giati mperdeythka. Mono ta 20 onomata 8a einai o syllogos? Den mporei na einai parapanw? Egw eimai mesa stoys 20? Lefta 8a dwsoyn OLOI h monon oi 20? Xrst. From kyr-john at geocities.com Fri May 22 03:24:47 1998 From: kyr-john at geocities.com (Kyriazopoulos Ioannis) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 03:24:47 +0300 Subject: members? References: <356412BE.1840D356@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <3564C5CF.40E14FCC@geocities.com> 20 einai to orio gia na idri8ei an den kanw la8os osoi perisoteroi toso kalitera :-) Xristos Athanasopoulos wrote: > Re paidia na rwthsw kati giati mperdeythka. > Mono ta 20 onomata 8a einai o syllogos? Den mporei na einai parapanw? > Egw eimai mesa stoys 20? Lefta 8a dwsoyn OLOI h monon oi 20? > > Xrst. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri May 22 08:22:00 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:22:00 +0300 Subject: Ta meli mas ta kali mas References: <356412BE.1840D356@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <35650B78.E3ECB740@ametro.gr> Xristos Athanasopoulos wrote: > > Re paidia na rwthsw kati giati mperdeythka. > Mono ta 20 onomata 8a einai o syllogos? Den mporei na einai parapanw? > Egw eimai mesa stoys 20? Lefta 8a dwsoyn OLOI h monon oi 20? > > Xrst. Gia xara. 20 einai to minimum atomon pou xreiazetai. Ego i lista pou eida kai ipegrapsa eixe akrivos 20 onomata. Afto fantazomai egine giati an grapseis kai alla, afksanontai oi pithanotites na min ipograpsei kapoios kai na paei strafi olo to xarti. Nomizo den isoun mesa, den kovo kai to kefali mou. O Maistrelis omos tha thimatai. Afto pou ksero, einai pos an epitrepetai na simplirosoume me to xeri apo kato kai alla onomata mi daktilografimena, an kapoios thelei na einai sta idritika meli, boroume afou rotisoume to dikigoro, na ton simplirosoume. Peri lefton, fantazomai oloi dinoun, an einai na'nai meli (idritika i mi). Apla ta idritika PREPEI na ta valoun prin to syllogo eno oi loipoi boroun kai meta. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Fri May 22 12:28:34 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:28:34 +0300 Subject: 10000 more Message-ID: <35654541.5C0F91B8@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Prin ligo katethesa kai egv to poso moy Giannis From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Fri May 22 15:38:57 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 22 May 1998 12:38:57 GMT Subject: katathesi Message-ID: Katethesa kai ego tis 10.000 . -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From yang at acropolis.net Fri May 22 18:38:41 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:38:41 +0300 Subject: apografi melon References: <3.0.2.32.19980502115207.006a8568@freemail.gr> Message-ID: <35659C01.6034B971@acropolis.net> Ayth einai h lista pou esteile kapoia stigmh o kostas o maistrelis den einai h plhrhs lista,einai ki alla onomata pou den fainontai edw. Yannis.............. Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > 1) Evripidis Papakostas A8ina > 2) Ioanou Gianis A8ina > 3) Panayotis Vryonis. > 4) Mpouras Dimitrios A8ina > 5) Giftomitros Ioanis A8ina > 6) Maistrelis Kostas A8ina > 7) Mixalis Kabrianis A8ina > 8) Sanida Voula A8ina > 9) Soldatos 8odoris A8ina > 10) A8anasopoulos Xristos Amaliada > 11) Ioannis G. Kyriazopoulos A8ina > 12) Antonis Kavarnos A8ina > 13) Gewrgatos Fotis Patra > 14) Gklavas Orestis Patra > 15) Nikos Araxwbas > 16) Kremmidas Kleanthis A8ina > 17) Mixalis Flouris Iraklio Kritis > 18) Nikos Mavroyanopoulos Ioanina > 19) Giorgos Mouzourellis A8ina > > Mexri tora 19 meloi. > > 12 A8ina > 1 Amaliada > 2 Patra > 1 Ioanina > 1 Iraklio Kritis > 2 den 3ero :-) > > Ama 3exasa kanenan parakalo na 3anastilei mail.. > > ante na doyme pos 8a mazeftoun oi ipografes.. > > Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr From exindari at math.upatras.gr Sat May 23 01:08:33 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 01:08:33 +0300 Subject: apografi melon References: <3.0.2.32.19980502115207.006a8568@freemail.gr> <35659C01.6034B971@acropolis.net> Message-ID: <3565F761.8A28DDD9@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Yannis Giftomitros wrote: > > Ayth einai h lista pou esteile kapoia stigmh o kostas o maistrelis > den einai h plhrhs lista,einai ki alla onomata pou den fainontai edw. > Yannis.............. > > Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > > > 1) Evripidis Papakostas A8ina > > 2) Ioanou Gianis A8ina > > 3) Panayotis Vryonis. > > 4) Mpouras Dimitrios A8ina > > 5) Giftomitros Ioanis A8ina > > 6) Maistrelis Kostas A8ina > > 7) Mixalis Kabrianis A8ina > > 8) Sanida Voula A8ina > > 9) Soldatos 8odoris A8ina > > 10) A8anasopoulos Xristos Amaliada > > 11) Ioannis G. Kyriazopoulos A8ina > > 12) Antonis Kavarnos A8ina > > 13) Gewrgatos Fotis Patra > > 14) Gklavas Orestis Patra > > 15) Nikos Araxwbas > > 16) Kremmidas Kleanthis A8ina > > 17) Mixalis Flouris Iraklio Kritis > > 18) Nikos Mavroyanopoulos Ioanina > > 19) Giorgos Mouzourellis A8ina > > > > Mexri tora 19 meloi. > > > > 12 A8ina > > 1 Amaliada > > 2 Patra > > 1 Ioanina > > 1 Iraklio Kritis > > 2 den 3ero :-) > > > > Ama 3exasa kanenan parakalo na 3anastilei mail.. > > > > ante na doyme pos 8a mazeftoun oi ipografes.. > > > > Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr Prepei na eimai kai egv mesa Giannis From axrst at otenet.gr Sat May 23 01:04:26 1998 From: axrst at otenet.gr (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 01:04:26 +0300 Subject: Ta meli mas ta kali mas References: <356412BE.1840D356@otenet.gr>, <35650B78.E3ECB740@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3565F66A.5AB1FB03@otenet.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > 20 einai to minimum atomon pou xreiazetai. Ego i lista pou eida kai > ipegrapsa eixe akrivos 20 onomata. Afto fantazomai egine giati an > grapseis kai alla, afksanontai oi pithanotites na min ipograpsei kapoios > kai na paei strafi olo to xarti. Nomizo den isoun mesa, den kovo kai to > kefali mou. O Maistrelis omos tha thimatai. Telika eimai H den eimai? Oxi tipota allo, alla na exw kati na deixnw sta eggonia moy opws eipes :-) Oso gia thn ypografh as th balei kapoios allos, den me peirazei. Ante peste moy na paw na balw kai ta lefta th deytera an einai.... Xrst. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sun May 24 13:14:40 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:14:40 +0300 Subject: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana... Message-ID: <3567F310.CDEE61CD@ametro.gr> Ipografes=20 Ara (en dinami) boroume na ksekiname. Ti leipei? [1] Ena megalo OK peri tou katastatikou. [2] Ena report peri tou posa lefta exoume apo ton Keramida (kai ena transfer tous se logariasmo kapoiou stin Athina). [3] Otann pame sto dikigoro, epitopou tha rotiso kai na boroume xirografa na prosthesoume meta apo ta 20 daktilografimena onomata kai alla. Distixos kapoioi pou den anaferontai stous 20, opos o Christos Athanasopoulos alla kai alloi apo Thes/ki isos, mallon tha prepei na paroun to risko na plirosoun anyway. An ginetai na prosthesoume tha minoun kai aftoi stin athanasia (me tilepathitiki ipografi klp), an oxi, den egine kai tipota to tromaktika asximo fantazomai. Pali ston syllogo oloi tha'maste. As apantisei o keramidas gia ta lefta, kai sxetika me to katastatiko opoios exei antirriseis / veltioseis / tropopoiiseis. I Peite mia imerominia, meta apo tin opoia ola theorountai teleiomena kai pame gia dikigoro (panta ipopsin pos kalokairi kleinoun, na min argoume poli). Afta. From bcostas at hol.gr Sat May 23 22:13:27 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 22:13:27 +0300 Subject: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana... References: <3567F310.CDEE61CD@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <35671FD7.38F8DA03@hol.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Ipografes=20 > Ara (en dinami) boroume na ksekiname. > De mas les poioi einai aytoi oi 20 poy exoyn ypograpsei, giati kapoia paidia rwtoysan an symperilamvanete to onoma toys. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 25 17:15:27 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:15:27 +0300 Subject: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana... References: <3567F310.CDEE61CD@ametro.gr> <35671FD7.38F8DA03@hol.gr> Message-ID: <35697CFF.330F1FF8@ametro.gr> Costas wrote: > > Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > > Ipografes=20 > > Ara (en dinami) boroume na ksekiname. > > > > De mas les poioi einai aytoi oi 20 poy exoyn ypograpsei, giati kapoia paidia > rwtoysan an symperilamvanete to onoma toys. Nai vevaia. Ksanaleo, gia na min lousto ego tis diamartyries pos i lista exei graftei apo ton Kosta ton Maistreli, meta apo sinenoisi ton anthropon mazi tou me mail meso listas, prosopika email klp. araxovas varakitis georgatos (patra) giftomitros ioannou kavarnos kabrianis keramidas (patra) kremmydas kiriazopoulos maistrelis bouras mouzourelis papakostas sanida soldatos vrionis eksintaridis (patra) flouris (kriti) glavas (patra) From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 25 17:19:37 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:19:37 +0300 Subject: Simferousa Aggelia Message-ID: <35697DF9.2D6F5731@ametro.gr> Megalos panelinios neoidrithis sillogos zita 1 atomo me aptaisti gnosi tou keimenografou Word gia na elegxsei, formarei kai efprepisei to katastatiko tou (pou vrisketai sti selida linux.airtour.gr) Proiperesia, stratiotiko, ilikia klp den tha lifthoun ipopsin. Mono sovares protaseis Apodoxes ipsiles Tha tirithei apolyti exemithia. P.S. Ta dikigorika grafeia den exoun TEX kai etsi den tithetai thema allon format. An parola afta thelete, boreite na to paragete kai se otidipote allo format akoma. From kokni at eexi.gr Sun May 24 18:45:49 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:45:49 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Simferousa Aggelia In-Reply-To: <35697DF9.2D6F5731@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 25-May-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Megalos panelinios neoidrithis sillogos zita 1 atomo me aptaisti gnosi > tou keimenografou Word gia na elegxsei, formarei kai efprepisei to > katastatiko tou (pou vrisketai sti selida linux.airtour.gr) > > Proiperesia, stratiotiko, ilikia klp den tha lifthoun ipopsin. > Mono sovares protaseis > Apodoxes ipsiles > Tha tirithei apolyti exemithia. > > > P.S. Ta dikigorika grafeia den exoun TEX kai etsi den tithetai thema > allon format. An parola afta thelete, boreite na to paragete kai se > otidipote allo format akoma. H euprepismenh ekdosh tou katastatikou yparxei, mazi me parathrhseis, dior8wseis klp enos filou mou dikhgorou. To "problhma" einai na brw pou sto diabolo thn ebalaaaa ----------------------------- Nikos Kokras Date: 24-May-98 18:41:55 EET ----------------------------- From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Sun May 24 21:47:32 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 24 May 1998 18:47:32 GMT Subject: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana... References: <3567F310.CDEE61CD@ametro.gr>, <35697CFF.330F1FF8@ametro.gr> Message-ID: >araxovas >varakitis >georgatos (patra) >giftomitros >ioannou >kavarnos >kabrianis >keramidas (patra) >kremmydas >kiriazopoulos >maistrelis >bouras >mouzourelis >papakostas >sanida >soldatos >vrionis >eksintaridis (patra) >flouris (kriti) >glavas (patra) H lista allazei kathimerina? Ap'oti thymamai eimouna se oles tis proigoumenes ekdoseis... -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at i-net.paiko.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ ICQ: 10279800 From fm94 at freemail.gr Mon May 25 10:01:04 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:01:04 +0300 Subject: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana... In-Reply-To: References: <3567F310.CDEE61CD@ametro.gr> <35697CFF.330F1FF8@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980525100104.0070ce78@teemail.tee.gr> >araxovas >varakitis >georgatos (patra) >giftomitros >ioannou >kavarnos >kabrianis >keramidas (patra) >kremmydas >kiriazopoulos .............. >glavas (patra) >H lista allazei kathimerina? Ap'oti thymamai eimouna se oles tis >proigoumenes ekdoseis... afti i lista exei ta 20 idritika meloi.. aftous pou ipograpsan diladi gia na idri8i o silogos.. epilex8ikan afta ta atoma giati menoun os epitopliston a8ina kai patra kai enas apo kriti, opote itan efkolo na mazeftoun oi ipografes.. aloste ixe ipo8ei kai paliotera pos kalitera ine na min ipografoun aloi anti gia mas, afto to efarmosame, me mia mikri e3eresi, 1 atomou. afti i lista den apotelei ola ta meloi toy Hellug.. mono ta idritika kai afto ine mono tipiko den exei kamia diafora na ine kapios idritiko i oxi melos ola ta meloi toy silogou exoun ta idia dikeomta kai ipoxreosis.. TO OTI DEN MPIKAN ARKETA ATOMA APO EPARXIA STA IDRITIKA MELOI AFTO OFILETE MONO SE TEXNIKOYS LOGOYS pou diatiposa prin. an tora 8eloun kai aloi nte kai kala na ine idritika meloi na doyme pos mporei na ginei na mpoun sto telos tis listas.. ala panta mpenei to provlima tis ipografis... From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 25 11:39:32 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:39:32 +0300 Subject: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana... References: <3567F310.CDEE61CD@ametro.gr>, <35697CFF.330F1FF8@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <35692E44.43772EC5@ametro.gr> > H lista allazei kathimerina? > Ap'oti thymamai eimouna se oles tis proigoumenes ekdoseis... Gia xara, Fantazomai pos den ginetai allagi afou ta onomata einai 20, protipomena kai idi exoun xeirografes ipografes klp. Alloste lista melon den tipothike alli, para mono afta pou efere o Maistrelis otan sinantithikame Eksarxeia kai pesan oi protes ipografes. Afti girnage meta ana tin Ellada, i tin eixe i Voula i Sanida sti douleia tis oste na tin vroun kai ta paidia tis 20adas pou den eixan ipograpsei akoma. Thimasai an kapou se oli afti ti diadikasia ipegrapses? I ego loipon ekana lathos sta onomata pou eida (POLI PITHANON) i esy. Borei na mas apantisei o Kostas o Maistrelis pou tin eggrapse? Tha do kai ego ti lista ksana to apogevma mia pou tora tin exo spiti kai tha sas po gia sigouria. Bye, Evripidis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon May 25 11:45:53 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:45:53 +0300 Subject: Simferousa Aggelia References: Message-ID: <35692FC1.FF4C2944@ametro.gr> > H euprepismenh ekdosh tou katastatikou yparxei, mazi me parathrhseis, > dior8wseis klp enos filou mou dikhgorou. To > "problhma" einai na brw pou sto diabolo thn ebalaaaa > ----------------------------- Anamenoume loipon, kai xreonesai esi tin pliri formarismeni,orthografika sosti (oxi me sxolia/paratiriseis alla ola ensomatomena sto keimeno, sta sosta simeia klp) ekdosi ? An nai, pes mas pote, na tin valoume kai sti selida, na tin doume oloi kai na proxorame se idrisi. Psiloepigei. An oxi, pes oste na analavei allos ethelontis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue May 26 20:33:33 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:33:33 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana...] Message-ID: <356AFCED.23712E29@ametro.gr> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Evripidis Papakostas Subject: Re: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana... Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:20:32 +0300 Size: 1294 URL: From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Mon May 25 22:16:13 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: 25 May 1998 19:16:13 GMT Subject: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana... References: , <3.0.2.32.19980525100104.0070ce78@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: >an tora 8eloun kai aloi nte kai kala na ine idritika meloi na doyme pos >mporei na ginei na mpoun sto telos tis listas.. >ala panta mpenei to provlima tis ipografis... Tote den yparxei problima. O logos pou apantisa einai oti sou eixa steilei mail legontas sou poios tha ypograpsei gia mena. Afou opos les omos prokeitai gia kathara typiko skopo den yparxei problima. -- _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Nikos Mavroyanopoulos _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ nmav at freemail.gr _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at platon.cc.uoi.gr From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Tue May 26 17:15:49 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:15:49 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Money matters Message-ID: Ouf, axiothika ki ego na balo to litharaki mou... (pos legame ta pentoxiliara petsetakia, etsi tha leme tora ta dekaxiliara lithar akia) Mixalis Kabrianis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed May 27 08:39:38 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:39:38 +0300 Subject: Peri xrimaton Message-ID: <356BA71A.479530FB@ametro.gr> Gia xara, An borei o Kerammidas as dosei ena report tou ti exoume mazepsei. Episis na parei eite ena tilefono sto 6017123 i me prosopiko email sto epapakostas at ametro.gr gia na doume pos kai se poion tha metaferthoun oste na boroume na plirosoume oti apaiteitai. Giati pleon mono afto menei gia na paroume brosta. Voula + Evripidis From kokni at eexi.gr Wed May 27 10:39:58 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (nikos kokras) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:39:58 +0300 Subject: Simferousa Aggelia Message-ID: <9805270743.AA21195@macedonia.uom.gr> ---------- > From: Evripidis Papakostas > To: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr > Subject: Re: Simferousa Aggelia > Date: Deut]qa, 25 La at ou 1998 11:45 pl > > > H euprepismenh ekdosh tou katastatikou yparxei, mazi me parathrhseis, > > dior8wseis klp enos filou mou dikhgorou. To > > "problhma" einai na brw pou sto diabolo thn ebalaaaa > > ----------------------------- > Anamenoume loipon, kai xreonesai esi tin pliri formarismeni,orthografika > sosti (oxi me sxolia/paratiriseis alla ola ensomatomena sto keimeno, sta > sosta simeia klp) ekdosi ? > An nai, pes mas pote, na tin valoume kai sti selida, na tin doume oloi > kai na proxorame se idrisi. Psiloepigei. > An oxi, pes oste na analavei allos ethelontis. Nai, ok, 8a to analabw egw. Nikos Kokras "M$ rulez" From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Thu May 28 15:35:34 1998 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) Date: 28 May 1998 12:35:34 -0000 Subject: apografi melon Message-ID: <19980528123534.13338.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> In article <35659C01.6034B971 at acropolis.net> you wrote: : Ayth einai h lista pou esteile kapoia stigmh o kostas o maistrelis : den einai h plhrhs lista,einai ki alla onomata pou den fainontai edw. : Yannis.............. : : Maistrelis Kostas wrote: : > : > 1) Evripidis Papakostas A8ina : > 2) Ioanou Gianis A8ina : > 3) Panayotis Vryonis. : > 4) Mpouras Dimitrios A8ina : > 5) Giftomitros Ioanis A8ina : > 6) Maistrelis Kostas A8ina : > 7) Mixalis Kabrianis A8ina : > 8) Sanida Voula A8ina : > 9) Soldatos 8odoris A8ina : > 10) A8anasopoulos Xristos Amaliada : > 11) Ioannis G. Kyriazopoulos A8ina : > 12) Antonis Kavarnos A8ina : > 13) Gewrgatos Fotis Patra : > 14) Gklavas Orestis Patra : > 15) Nikos Araxwbas : > 16) Kremmidas Kleanthis A8ina : > 17) Mixalis Flouris Iraklio Kritis : > 18) Nikos Mavroyanopoulos Ioanina : > 19) Giorgos Mouzourellis A8ina 20) Giorgos Keramidas Patra pws me ksexases emeva? :))) : > 2 Patra 3 Patra me meva, pia... ki exo upogapsei, ap' oti ksero :) -- Georgios E. Keramidas (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Linux-spirit." From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Thu May 28 15:42:50 1998 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) Date: 28 May 1998 12:42:50 -0000 Subject: Hxos apo trombetes kai tymbana... Message-ID: <19980528124250.13444.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> In article <3567F310.CDEE61CD at ametro.gr> you wrote: : : Ti leipei? : [1] Ena megalo OK peri tou katastatikou. OOOOOO KKK KKK !!! OOO OOO KKK KKK !!! OOO OOO KKKKKK !!! OOO OOO KKK KKK OOOOOO KKK KKK !!! : [2] Ena report peri tou posa lefta exoume apo ton Keramida (kai ena : transfer tous se logariasmo kapoiou stin Athina). Distixos den prolaba simera na pao Pisteos, giati me trexoun diaforoi edo pera gia kati (k*lo)douleies, kai otan piga eixan kleisei oi trapezes. Aurio proi proi omos pao stin Pisteos prin akoma anoiksei na stitho apekso gia na paro seira stin oura :) Auto pou thelo einai ena account kapoiou stin Athina na kano to XFER... -- Georgios E. Keramidas (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Linux-spirit." From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Thu May 28 15:47:48 1998 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) Date: 28 May 1998 12:47:48 -0000 Subject: Peri lefta kai ypografvn Message-ID: <19980528124748.13527.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> In article <35626C19.8A6ADEC6 at ametro.gr> you wrote: : Nai. Oi ipografes nomizo einai 17... Tora pia einai 20, giati to xarti pou exei o Fotis to exoume upograpsei kai oi treis apo Patra (Georgatos, Glavas, Keramidas). Aurio to proi (29/05), tha ksero kai posa xrnmata exei o logariasmos, opote mporw va ta kavw kai 'ftp' automata se kapoio logariasmo stnv A0nva. -- Georgios E. Keramidas (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Linux-spirit." From flouris at csi.forth.gr Thu May 28 20:00:43 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:00:43 +0300 Subject: Peri lefta kai ypografvn References: <19980528124748.13527.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <356D983B.B65BF7EF@ics.forth.gr> keramida at ceid.upatras.gr wrote: > Aurio to proi (29/05), > tha ksero kai posa xrnmata exei o logariasmos, opote mporw va ta kavw kai > 'ftp' automata se kapoio logariasmo stnv A0nva. Den exw katathesei ta lefta akoma. Einai telos mhna kai ws synhthws zorizomai ... :( Th Deytera to prwi omws tha mpoyn ... Mike & From roryt at hol.gr Fri May 29 19:46:15 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:46:15 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Peri lefta kai ypografvn In-Reply-To: <356D983B.B65BF7EF@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: On 28-May-98 Mike Flouris wrote: > Den exw katathesei ta lefta akoma. Einai telos mhna kai > ws synhthws zorizomai ... :( > Th Deytera to prwi omws tha mpoyn ... Paromoiws (An einai na allaksei kai h trapeza tha boleye afantasta. H Pistews sou bgazei thn Pisth :-) ) I.Ioannou From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Jun 3 09:58:40 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:58:40 +0300 Subject: Ftanei i ora Message-ID: <3574F420.C56345E@ametro.gr> Milisame me ton Keramida, tha steilei ta xrimata pou exei mazepsei leei simera. Logika afta mas ftanoun gia arxi. Mexri tora den exo lavei allages apo ton Kokra kai etsi theoro pos pano kato arkoumaste se afto pou exoume se katastatiko. Tha prospathisoume savatokyriako na to formaroume se word klp na einai etoimo. Deftera-Kyriaki tha loipoume, etsi oti alla lefta mazeftoun kalo einai. Tin epomeni vdomada pame dikigoro, i 5ada isos na prepei na exei ligo xrono (an kai den nomizo pos tha xreiastei). Tafta. From roryt at hol.gr Thu Jun 4 02:16:36 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 02:16:36 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Ftanei i ora In-Reply-To: <3574F420.C56345E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 03-Jun-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Milisame me ton Keramida, tha steilei ta xrimata pou exei mazepsei leei > simera. Logika afta mas ftanoun gia arxi. > Mexri tora den exo lavei allages apo ton Kokra kai etsi theoro pos pano > kato arkoumaste se afto pou exoume se katastatiko. > Tha prospathisoume savatokyriako na to formaroume se word klp na einai > etoimo. > Deftera-Kyriaki tha loipoume, etsi oti alla lefta mazeftoun kalo einai. > Tin epomeni vdomada pame dikigoro, i 5ada isos na prepei na exei ligo > xrono (an kai den nomizo pos tha xreiastei). Re paidia prospatho apo thn perasmenh Pempth na katatheso ta dika mou kai toy Araxoba kai sthn Pistews ginetai ths kakomoiras kathe mera :-( Na dosoume ena rantebou na ta dosw xeri xeri ? (poios tha ta mazepsei ?) I.Ioannou From gmouzo at athena.compulink.forthnet.gr Thu Jun 4 02:35:43 1998 From: gmouzo at athena.compulink.forthnet.gr (Giorgos Mouzourellis) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 02:35:43 +0300 Subject: Ftanei i ora In-Reply-To: References: <3574F420.C56345E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980604023543.0097e3a0@mailgate.forthnet.gr> At 02:16 ?? 4/6/1998 +0300, you wrote: >. >. >> xrono (an kai den nomizo pos tha xreiastei). > >Re paidia prospatho apo thn perasmenh Pempth na katatheso ta dika mou kai >toy Araxoba kai sthn Pistews ginetai ths kakomoiras kathe mera :-( > >Na dosoume ena rantebou na ta dosw xeri xeri ? (poios tha ta mazepsei ?) > >I.Ioannou > H toylaxiston peste ton kainoyrgio logariasmo (elpizo oxi pali sthn pisteos) gia na ta baloyme ekei. Filika Giorgos -------------- From vrypan at hol.gr Thu Jun 4 07:03:15 1998 From: vrypan at hol.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:03:15 +0000 Subject: 10000 more Message-ID: <35761C83.4D85A15B@hol.gr> Xilia sygnwmh an arghsa, alla telika x8es (3/6/98) kate8esa tis 10000. Elpizw na sas prolaba. Panayotis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Jun 4 08:44:33 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 08:44:33 +0300 Subject: Ftanei i ora References: <3574F420.C56345E@ametro.gr> <3.0.5.32.19980604023543.0097e3a0@mailgate.forthnet.gr> Message-ID: <35763441.F5C56B95@ametro.gr> > ... H toylaxiston peste ton kainoyrgio logariasmo (elpizo oxi pali sthn pisteos) > gia na ta baloyme ekei. Lypamai pou sas xalao to oneiro, alla kai i Voula, stis opoias to logariasmo tha staloun, Pisteos einai. Proteino lysi Ioannou xeri-xeri, i telos panton pali pisteos alla stis Voulas. H Voula doulevei eksarxeia, parte tin kana tilefono na vreite mia lisi, 8843104 8843117 Voula Sanida,. Gia peraste , gia peraste ... From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Thu Jun 4 13:03:21 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:03:21 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: 10000 more In-Reply-To: <35761C83.4D85A15B@hol.gr> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Panayotis Vryonis wrote: > Xilia sygnwmh an arghsa, alla telika x8es (3/6/98) kate8esa tis 10000. > Elpizw na sas prolaba. Prolabes mias xara. Mias kai yparxoun kai alloi argoporhmenoi, eipa ston Giwrgo Ker. na ta metaferei Deytera prwi. Opote mporeite kai ayrio na ta metaferete. O panikos htan kyriws Deyt,Trith giati empaine o mhnas. xairetw +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From kyr-john at geocities.com Thu Jun 4 19:45:31 1998 From: kyr-john at geocities.com (Kyriazopoulos Ioannis) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:45:31 +0300 Subject: Ftanei i ora References: Message-ID: <3576CF2B.7E8C262B@geocities.com> me too I.Ioannou wrote: > On 03-Jun-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > Milisame me ton Keramida, tha steilei ta xrimata pou exei mazepsei leei > > simera. Logika afta mas ftanoun gia arxi. > > Mexri tora den exo lavei allages apo ton Kokra kai etsi theoro pos pano > > kato arkoumaste se afto pou exoume se katastatiko. > > Tha prospathisoume savatokyriako na to formaroume se word klp na einai > > etoimo. > > Deftera-Kyriaki tha loipoume, etsi oti alla lefta mazeftoun kalo einai. > > Tin epomeni vdomada pame dikigoro, i 5ada isos na prepei na exei ligo > > xrono (an kai den nomizo pos tha xreiastei). > > Re paidia prospatho apo thn perasmenh Pempth na katatheso ta dika mou kai > toy Araxoba kai sthn Pistews ginetai ths kakomoiras kathe mera :-( > > Na dosoume ena rantebou na ta dosw xeri xeri ? (poios tha ta mazepsei ?) > > I.Ioannou From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Fri Jun 5 10:24:40 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:24:40 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: 10K more Message-ID: <199806050724.KAA16634@hpc.ntua.gr> Oi pio argoporhmenes 10K sto logariasmo toy Keramida sthn Pistevs... Bye, Antonis -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Antonios Kavarnos (Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr) National Technical University of Athens ...born to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From fm94 at freemail.gr Sat Jun 6 00:33:51 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 00:33:51 +0300 Subject: Katastatiko. Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980606003351.00705ad0@teemail.tee.gr> i teleftea ekdosi pou stal8ike apo ton Kokra. se gziped HTML morfi kai ellinika.. perimenoume na stilei kai tis diefkriniseis.. opos leei kai o idios: >Major changes den yparxoun >Apla ta3inomhthikan ta ar8ra kalytera. >Paramenoun adiukrinista kai pros syzhthsh ta 8emata thw >apartias kai thw oikonomikhw diaxeirhshw (G,S h D.S). >To katstatiko einia flou se ayta ta 8emata Mexri to alo savatokiriako na exoume apofasisei gia to katastatiko opote na to parei o papakostas kai i sanida na to pane sto dikigoro.. ante mexri kai oi amiga users exoun silogo kai emis akoma :-) SIMIOSH: den exo tipota me tin amiga kai tous user tis :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From exindari at math.upatras.gr Mon Jun 15 13:46:14 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:46:14 +0300 Subject: test Message-ID: <3584FB76.C81671A@ermis.math.upatras.gr> From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Jun 16 15:07:45 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:07:45 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: Evripidis] Message-ID: <35866011.C33292AD@ametro.gr> Stelno gia na kseroume poios exei valei ti, to mail pou elava apo ton Athanasopoulo Xristo, pou katethese kai aftos ta lefta ston Keramida kai an prolavoume kai epitrepetai tha einai allos enas idritikos (tha ton prosthesoume epitopou), allios pali OK eimaste. Bye -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Xristos Athanasopoulos Subject: Re: Evripidis Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:36:11 +0300 Size: 1417 URL: From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Jun 17 08:57:52 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:57:52 +0300 Subject: Poios to'xei na to steilei? Message-ID: <35875AE0.A47F7385@ametro.gr> Paidia, poios tha ginei o iroas tis imeras? Den exo stin douleia to pio prosfato katastatiko pou exei steilei o Kokras kai to xreiazomai na to typoso simera. Poios to exei na mou to steilei attachment sto epapakostas at ametro.gr (se Word 95 kai /i HTML). An to exei kaneis kai to steilei, as steilei kai ena mail sti lista pos to esteile, na min to lavo 20 fores kai pikso sto download minimaton! Logika, an to vro simera, avrio tha to doso mazi me tis ipografes klp. Evripidis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Jun 17 09:54:12 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:54:12 +0300 Subject: Elava. Eimai OK Message-ID: <35876814.308E4D56@ametro.gr> Esteile o Vryonis. OK. From kokni at eexi.gr Wed Jun 17 11:20:51 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:20:51 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Elava. Eimai OK-OXI den eisai ! In-Reply-To: <35876814.308E4D56@ametro.gr> Message-ID: Re paidia, ri3te mia matia sto katastatiko Exei 2 shmeia pou prepei na 3eka8aristoun (kai sta opoia to katastatiko den ta 3aka8arizei): 1) Ari8mos melwn gia apartia sthn Taktikh Genikh Syneleush, Ektakth genikh syneleush, Pshfofories klp klp. Den yparxei mia sta8erh grammh se olo to katastatiko gia auto to 8ema kai einai poly shmantiko. Epishs to *poly* shmantiko pou den 3eka8arizetai sto katastatiko einai o ari8mos twn melwn tou swmateiou pou xreiazontai gia na kalesoun ektakth G.S. 2) Tropos oikonomikhs diaxeirhrhshs, kai sygkekrimena gia ektaktes eisfores apofasizei to D.S mono toy, apofasizei to D.S. kia egkrinei h G.S h apofasizei mono h G.S ? On 17-Jun-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Esteile o Vryonis. > OK. ----------------------------- Nikos Kokras Date: 17-Jun-98 11:14:00 EET ----------------------------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Jun 17 12:09:44 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:09:44 +0300 Subject: Peri Apartias References: Message-ID: <358787D8.CF728F1C@ametro.gr> > 1) Ari8mos melwn gia apartia sthn Taktikh Genikh Syneleush, Ektakth genikh > syneleush, Pshfofories klp klp. Den yparxei mia sta8erh grammh se olo to > katastatiko gia auto to 8ema kai einai poly shmantiko. Epishs to *poly* > shmantiko pou den 3eka8arizetai sto katastatiko einai o ari8mos twn melwn tou > swmateiou pou xreiazontai gia na kalesoun ektakth G.S. Peri Apartias G.S. sto arthro 24 sou vlepo pos arkei to 1/3, kai sto arthro 32 Tropopoiisi katastatikou ta 2/3. Peri Sigkliseos ektaktis genikis apo oti vlepo sto diko sou katastatiko borei na to kanei to D.S kai apo oti vlepo sto v.2 (koita linux.airtour.gr) sto arthro 27 grafei pos arkei to 1/5 ton melon (afto den to vlepo sto diko sou v.3 katastatiko. An ontos den to exeis ekei steile mou to arthro kai pes pou na to simpliroso). Grigora omos an boreis... From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Jun 17 12:43:19 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:43:19 +0300 Subject: Diorthoseis Orthografikes Message-ID: <35878FB7.561CCDBA@ametro.gr> H Voula molis teleiose tis aparaitites orthografikes diorthoseis sto word keimeno. From kokni at eexi.gr Wed Jun 17 12:42:34 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:42:34 +0300 (EEST) Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <358787D8.CF728F1C@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 17-Jun-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Peri Sigkliseos ektaktis g........... > > > Grigora omos an boreis... Loipon epidh blepw oti mplekomaste, grafw synolika ta pros dieukrinhsh 8emata giati sthn synanthsh sto kafe "tade", den eixame symfwnhsei se kapoia pragmata kai eixame pei oti 8a apofasistoun sthn lista afou akousoume gnwmes. Mexri stigmhs ta proteinomena pros syzhthsh einai ta akolou8a: Perimenw apopseis ep'autou (an symfwneite / diafwneite) Na shmeiwsw oti sto 8ema ths sygklhshs ektakths genikhe syneleushs, o A.K. problepei sxetika (kai einai desmeutikos), alla h proteinomenh ry8mish (1/5 twn melwn) einai dhmokratikoterh, epitrepei dhladh thn pio eukolh sygklhsh ektakths G.S (o A.K. problepei nomizw 3/5 twn melwn, den eimai sigouros omws) Ar8ro 10, $3 Ektaktes eisfores apofasizontai apo to D.S. kai egkrinontai apo thn G.S Ar8ro 14, $4 To D.S apofasizei gia asafeies tou katastatikou otan den yparxei apofash ths G.S Ar8ro 35, $2 H G.S. sthn prwth taktikh syneleush epikyrwnei thn ermhneia tou katastatikou apo to D.S, diaforetika ... Ar8ro 35, $3 ginetai pshfoforia Ar8ro 22, $1 Ektakth G.S otan zhth8ei apo to 1/5 twn melwn tou swmateiou Ar8ro 24, $1 Apartia otan yparxei to 1/3 twn melwn Ar8ro 32, $2 Apartia gia tropopoihsh katastatikou wrizetai sta 2/3 twn melwn Ar8ro 32, $3 Apofaseis gia thn tropopoihsh tou katastatikou xreiazontia pleiopsifia (?/?) twn melwn tou (?swmateiou/ths apartias?). Auto 8a isxysei KAI se periptwsh pou h emhneia tou D.S den briskei symfwnh thn G.S (otan 8a exoume dhladh sobaro problhma). ----------------------------- Nikos Kokras Date: 17-Jun-98 12:16:10 EET ----------------------------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Jun 17 15:06:07 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:06:07 +0300 Subject: EFPITHOS ANAFERO: Kokras elifthi Message-ID: <3587B12F.BED7FF98@ametro.gr> Elava telikes mikrodiorthoseis kokra. Telos Voula ta alakse. Typose. Telos Katastatiko = etoimo. Telos Lefta = exoume an xreiastoun. Telos Ypografes = exoume. Telos Stelno afta simera ston dikigoro kai isos vretho kai mazi tou. Tha miliso tilefonika pantos sigoura. Tha ta dei kai tha mas pei. KsanaTelos. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Jun 18 09:05:42 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:05:42 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: Aithsh egrafhs] Message-ID: <3588AE36.E2E8B98D@ametro.gr> Plithainoun oi endiaferomenoi...kapos prepei na tous antimetopisoume. To kano forward kai vlepoume. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Katsifos Nikolaos Subject: Aithsh egrafhs Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:25:59 +0300 (EET DST) Size: 1588 URL: From voulariba at rocketmail.com Thu Jun 18 09:05:20 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: =?iso-8859-7?B?xePj8eH23iDz9O/tIPP96+vv4+8g8+HtIOzd6+/y?= Message-ID: <19980618060520.27746.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Lavame kai afto edo episis, apo ton K. Tsakaloglou pou endiaferetai gia Linux. Ti kanoume me ta paidia pou theloun siga siga na eggrafontai ? ---"K.Tsakaloglou" wrote: > > Γράφω προγράμματα από το 1980. Πέρασα όλες εκείνες τις ωραίες φάσεις της εξέλιξης των υπολογιστών που γινόταν καθαρά από μεράκι. Τώρα πια επαγγελματίας έχω αρχίσει λίγο να βαριέμαι αυτά τα Windows και τον επαγγελματισμό. Ψάχνοντας βρήκα το LINUX και πιστεύω ότι μπορεί να γίνει το νέο λειτουργικό και το ωραίο είναι ότι με αυτό ασχολούνται πάλι υπάρχουν άνθρωποι που έχουν μεράκιν. Αν και δεν έχω αρχίσει να το δουλεύω (το LINUX) πολύ, θέλω να γνωρίσω ανθρώπους που έχουν μεράκι γι' αυτό το λειτουργικό και για να μάθω περισσότερα αλλά και βοηθήσω για την εξάπλωση του Linux στην Ελλάδα. Περιμένω νέα για τον σύλλογο και επειδή δουλεύω στη Στουρνάρα θα ήθελα να βρεθούμε στην επόμενη συνάντηση΄(άν γίνει στα Εξάρχεια) και να κανονίσω την συνδρομή μου και να δω σε τι μπορώ να βοηθήσω. > > > Φιλικά > > Κ. Τσακάλογλου >
Γράφω προγράμματα από το 1980. Πέρασα όλες εκείνες τις ωραίες φάσεις της εξέλιξης των υπολογιστών που γινόταν καθαρά από μεράκι. Τώρα πια επαγγελματίας έχω αρχίσει λίγο να βαριέμαι αυτά τα Windows και τον επαγγελματισμό. Ψάχνοντας βρήκα το LINUX και πιστεύω ότι μπορεί να γίνει το νέο λειτουργικό και το ωραίο είναι ότι με αυτό ασχολούνται πάλι υπάρχουν άνθρωποι που έχουν μεράκιν. Αν και δεν έχω αρχίσει να το δουλεύω (το LINUX) πολύ, θέλω να γνωρίσω ανθρώπους που έχουν μεράκι γι' αυτό το λειτουργικό και για να μάθω περισσότερα αλλά και βοηθήσω για την εξάπλωση του Linux στην Ελλάδα. Περιμένω νέα για τον σύλλογο και επειδή δουλεύω στη Στουρνάρα θα ήθελα να βρεθούμε στην επόμενη συνάντηση΄(άν γίνει στα Εξάρχεια) και να κανονίσω την συνδρομή μου και να δω σε τι μπορώ να βοηθήσω.
 
 
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_________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Jun 18 09:30:01 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:30:01 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: EGGRAFI STO Hellug] Message-ID: <3588B3E9.A4987B88@ametro.gr> Parte kai allon enan endiaferomeno, kai synadelfo mou sto attiko metro ... mipos kapoios tha prepei na tous apanta / mazepsei syndromi / proggrapsei klp ? Akouo protaseis / ethelontikes iroikes energeies peri aftou. Evripidis -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Alexis Apostolakis Subject: EGGRAFI STO Hellug Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:27:42 +0300 Size: 1025 URL: From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Thu Jun 18 12:29:01 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:29:01 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fwd: EGGRAFI STO Hellug] In-Reply-To: <3588B3E9.A4987B88@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 18-Jun-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: >Parte kai allon enan endiaferomeno, kai synadelfo mou sto attiko metro >... mipos kapoios tha prepei na tous apanta / mazepsei syndromi / >proggrapsei klp ? >Akouo protaseis / ethelontikes iroikes energeies peri aftou. > >Evripidis Ooops, goustaro, mazevomaste polloi. Apo tin prosorini dioikisi, as analabei kapoios tetoia themata. Ayto bebaia mono prosorina (mexri na bgei kanoniko D.S.) Opote, Evripidi, dialexe kapoion apo to prosorino DS (esy exeis ta onomata, etsi ?) o opoios nna min exei analabei tipota (i oxi polla toulaxiston) mexri tora, g ia na tou anatethei ayto to pragma. Protasi: Na zitisoume apo to www.linux.org ena e-mail (hellug at linux.org) to opoio einai b asika mia forwarding e-mail address, i opoia tha antistoixei ston ekastote ypeft hino syndromon kai dimosion sxeseon. (po po typikotites). Molis o syllogos mporesei, apo lefta kai dorees hardware, na apoktisei ena diko tou mixanaki, to opoio na mpei pano sto diktyo tis HOL (fantazomai oti i HOL den tha exei problima, alla den eimai sigouros), tha parei ena onoma p.x. hellug.li nux.gr (gi' ayto kai leo stin hol, stis ekei IP dieythinseis einai kataxor imeno to linux.gr) kai tha trexei ena aplo sendmail me ta mails ton melon (fanta zomai ola ta meli tou hellug tha eprepe na exoyn ena e-mail tou styl user at hellug .linux.gr), kai ena www server pou na exei to www.linux.gr kai osa alla xreiazet ai na einai ekei. To administration tou mixanimatos tha to analabei kapoios pou tha protathei apo to syllogo. An pao ligo makria sigxoriste me... Mixalis Kabrianis Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens ******************************************************* Prosoxi: Apo 1/7/98, den tha isxyoyn oi e-mail dieythynseis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr kai mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mporeite na xrisimopoieite tin mkabrian at acropolis.gr ******************************************************** From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Jun 18 10:18:17 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:18:17 +0300 Subject: Arxisan ta organa References: Message-ID: <3588BF39.12A3EE23@ametro.gr> > > Ooops, goustaro, mazevomaste polloi. > Apo tin prosorini dioikisi, as analabei kapoios tetoia themata. > Ayto bebaia mono prosorina (mexri na bgei kanoniko D.S.) > Opote, Evripidi, dialexe kapoion apo to prosorino DS (esy exeis ta onomata, etsi > ?) o opoios nna min exei analabei tipota (i oxi polla toulaxiston) mexri tora, gia na tou anatethei ayto to pragma. Oxi. Tha fao ksilo me ta xosimata. Ksero go? an kapoios niothei pos borei na vrei ligo xrono, na tous steilei kana email, pei ton trapeziko logariasmo, katagrapsei ola tous ta stoixeia kai borei na tous klisei kana rantevou na tous doume kai na milisoun me kapoion (oxi anagastika me ton idion) na pliroforithoun klp, as aftoprotathei. An oxi tote mono na "diorisoume ethelonti". Eikosi eimaste (+3) - kapoios tha borei na to analavei ipefthina mexri to D.S. na iparksei monima. An den apantisei kaneis tha to prospathisoume metaksi Voulas - Evripidi - kai isos Kosta Maistreli (den tou exo milisei akoma) POIOS BOREI? > Protasi: > Na zitisoume apo to www.linux.org ena e-mail (hellug at linux.org) to opoio einai b > asika mia forwarding e-mail address, i opoia tha antistoixei ston ekastote ypeft > hino syndromon kai dimosion sxeseon. (po po typikotites). Ginetai tetoio prama? Tora giati me skandalizeis na sou po na tous peis na to kaneis esy parolo to treximo tou magaz ? Ekso apo plaka xreiazetai mia diefthinsi oxi tou styl epapakostas at ametro.gr i linux at ametro.gr i rocketmail, alla kapos pio staheri kai "noimatika" pio linux oriented. KABRIANI: Opote an/opote boreis na to psakseis me to linux.org ... > Molis o syllogos mporesei, apo lefta kai dorees hardware, na apoktisei ena diko > tou mixanaki, to opoio na mpei pano sto diktyo tis HOL (fantazomai oti i HOL den > tha exei problima, alla den eimai sigouros), tha parei ena onoma p.x. hellug.li > nux.gr (gi' ayto kai leo stin hol, stis ekei IP dieythinseis einai kataxor > imeno to linux.gr) kai tha trexei ena aplo sendmail me ta mails ton melon (fanta > zomai ola ta meli tou hellug tha eprepe na exoyn ena e-mail tou styl user at hellug > .linux.gr), kai ena www server pou na exei to www.linux.gr kai osa alla xreiazet > ai na einai ekei. > To administration tou mixanimatos tha to analabei kapoios pou tha protathei apo to syllogo. Nai ontos, ta legame kai me Photi klp. kapoioa aderfi psixi tha borei namas kanei hosting ena mixanima (HOL,eexi klp), sto opoio tha exoume mail, shell, cgi-scripts pou alloi den mas vazoun efkola gia psifofories, erotimatologia, otidipote... Kalo tha itan malista otan organothoume na paroume kai to hellug.gr (tzaba einai) na to'xoume kai vlepoume. Kaneis pou na einai vismatias se HOL, EEXI, ... kai kserei apo afta na mas pei an einai efikto, ti xreiazetai gia agora enos .gr ektos apo AFM, an kanoun pote tetoies xares (hosting na tous troei tzaba bandwith) klp? MILATE ORE INTERNET SPECIALISTS ?! Evripidis From kremidas at lrf.gr Thu Jun 18 20:36:36 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (Kremmidas Kleanthis) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Arxisan ta organa In-Reply-To: <3588BF39.12A3EE23@ametro.gr> Message-ID: Gia tin kataxwrisi enos kainourgio domain pera apo to AFM xreiazomaste kai ta parakato: 1) Mail enos atomou gia epikoinwnia me ton HOSTMASTER 2) Primary & Secondary DNS 3) Ena atomo pou tha einai o texnikos ipeuthinos Twra an mporesoume kai broume ena provider gia na baloume to mixanima auto to blepo ligo diskolo gia to gegonos oti sigoura tha theloun na exoun ena elegxo pano se auto. Den 3ero mipos kataferoume (kai auto apaitei psaksimo kai epikoinwniaki politiki me tous ISP) mia lisi tipou leased line me kapoio provider. Auta Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation(LRF) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr ICQ number: 12208653 Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Thu Jun 18 13:39:59 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:39:59 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Arxisan ta organa In-Reply-To: <3588BF39.12A3EE23@ametro.gr> Message-ID: >Oxi. Tha fao ksilo me ta xosimata. Ksero go? an kapoios niothei pos >borei na vrei ligo xrono, na tous steilei kana email, pei ton trapeziko >logariasmo, katagrapsei ola tous ta stoixeia kai borei na tous klisei >kana rantevou na tous doume kai na milisoun me kapoion (oxi anagastika >me ton idion) na pliroforithoun klp, as aftoprotathei. An oxi tote mono >na "diorisoume ethelonti". Eikosi eimaste (+3) - kapoios tha borei na to >analavei ipefthina mexri to D.S. na iparksei monima. An den apantisei >kaneis tha to prospathisoume metaksi Voulas - Evripidi - kai isos Kosta >Maistreli (den tou exo milisei akoma) >POIOS BOREI? O.K. diko mou. Oles oi aitiseis gia plirofories klp gia to Hellug, na ginontai forward sto mkabrian at acropolis.gr parakalo, gia na mporeso na kratao logariasmo. >> Protasi: >> Na zitisoume apo to www.linux.org ena e-mail (hellug at linux.org) to opoio >einai b >> asika mia forwarding e-mail address, i opoia tha antistoixei ston ekastote >ypeft >> hino syndromon kai dimosion sxeseon. (po po typikotites). >Ginetai tetoio prama? Tora giati me skandalizeis na sou po na tous peis >na to kaneis esy parolo to treximo tou magaz ? Ekso apo plaka xreiazetai >mia diefthinsi oxi tou styl epapakostas at ametro.gr i linux at ametro.gr i >rocketmail, alla kapos pio staheri kai "noimatika" pio linux oriented. >KABRIANI: Opote an/opote boreis na to psakseis me to linux.org ... > Sosto, alla theloume ena e-mail gia na ginetai forward to hellug at linux.org Prosorina tha balo to diko mou (oxi, den kapelono kanenan, apla gia na ginontai forward ta mail pou legame parapano). Gia to mixanaki to blepoume... Mixalis Kabrianis Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens ******************************************************* Prosoxi: Apo 1/7/98, den tha isxyoyn oi e-mail dieythynseis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr kai mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mporeite na xrisimopoieite tin mkabrian at acropolis.gr ******************************************************** From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Jun 18 11:07:14 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:07:14 +0300 Subject: EGGRAFES References: Message-ID: <3588CAB2.192676A2@ametro.gr> Prosorinos ipefthinos gia eggrafes/enimerosi endiaferomenon klp einai o Mixalis o Kabrianis. Oti filos, mail sxetiko me ti kanei to hellug, eggrafi, meli, plirofories klp forward se afton. PROSOXI me to mail tou pou opou na'nai tha alaksei. Tsekaretai ta mail accounts tou apo tin ipografi tou. Evripidis. From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Thu Jun 18 14:21:33 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:21:33 -0000 (GMT) Subject: hellug@linux.org Message-ID: Protasi gia hellug at linux.org PROSOXI, den exei stalei akoma. Peraste na to deite apo to http://mk.aua.gr/magaz Perimeno mexri to mesimeri allages, allios patao to magiko "submit" Mixalis Kabrianis Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens ******************************************************* Prosoxi: Apo 1/7/98, den tha isxyoyn oi e-mail dieythynseis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr kai mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mporeite na xrisimopoieite tin mkabrian at acropolis.gr ******************************************************** From kokni at eexi.gr Thu Jun 18 11:45:33 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:45:33 +0300 (EEST) Subject: PROSOXH-PROSOXH-PROSOXH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Molis phra mail kai diavasa olo to thread 17-18 Iouniou 8a pw thn gnwmh mou synolika se ligo, ALLA MHN KANETE KAMMIA KINHSH EGGRAFHS GIATI EINAI **PARANOMO** O syllogos texnika den yparxei kai 8ewreitai apath h apospash xrfhmatikwn poswn gia eggrafh se anyparkto pragma. PRWTA prepei na graftoume sta biblia tou prwtodikeiou, diaforetika opoios parei xrhmata paei mesa giati to katastatiko afhnei thn entypwsh oti eimaste anagnwrismenoi apo to kratos enw akoma DEN eimaste (h apath pou legame) ----------------------------- Nikos Kokras Date: 18-Jun-98 11:41:30 EET ----------------------------- From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Thu Jun 18 14:58:37 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:58:37 -0000 (GMT) Subject: PROSOXH-PROSOXH-PROSOXH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18-Jun-98 Nikos Kokras wrote: >Molis phra mail kai diavasa olo to thread 17-18 Iouniou >8a pw thn gnwmh mou synolika se ligo, ALLA >MHN KANETE KAMMIA KINHSH EGGRAFHS GIATI EINAI **PARANOMO** >O syllogos texnika den yparxei kai 8ewreitai apath h apospash xrfhmatikwn >poswn >gia eggrafh se anyparkto pragma. PRWTA prepei na graftoume sta biblia tou >prwtodikeiou, diaforetika opoios parei xrhmata paei mesa giati to katastatiko >afhnei thn entypwsh oti eimaste anagnwrismenoi apo to kratos enw akoma DEN >eimaste (h apath pou legame) >----------------------------- >Nikos Kokras >Date: 18-Jun-98 11:41:30 EET >----------------------------- Ouf, glytosame tin Fylaki. O.k. sosti i paratirisi, opote den pairnoume lefta apo ta mi idrytika meli, apl aproxorame se kapoies epafes enimerosis... Prepei episis na arxisoume na koitame kai to thema tis kartas melous. Tha sas enimeroso gia ayto to syntomotero dynato. (Deytera) Mixalis Kabrianis Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens ******************************************************* Prosoxi: Apo 1/7/98, den tha isxyoyn oi e-mail dieythynseis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr kai mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mporeite na xrisimopoieite tin mkabrian at acropolis.gr ******************************************************** From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Thu Jun 18 12:09:11 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:09:11 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: PROSOXH-PROSOXH-PROSOXH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > Ouf, glytosame tin Fylaki. Gia thn wra :-) > O.k. sosti i paratirisi, opote den pairnoume lefta apo ta mi idrytika meli, apl > aproxorame se kapoies epafes enimerosis... Pistevw oti ayto einai dynaton xwris nomika kolhmata, ean o endiaferomenos apodexthei oti a) o syllogos den yparxei ton trexonta xrono b) empisteyetai to atomo pou analambanei ta xrhmata (tou kanei "dwrea" as poume 'h allhs morfhs paraxwrhsh xrhmatwn ) Ti dhladh o nomos den me afhnei na riskarw na ejapatithw me th thelisi mou? Ti lete re paidia? twsa xronia ayto einai o kanonas sthn Ellada... As mhn jexnoume oti kai h ellhnikh nomologia den einai oti pleon sygxronon sthn nomikh episthmh h de dikaiosynh... Xreiazomaste ta epipleon xrhmata gia ton syllogo gia logous diafhmishs & diadoshs ths ideas, opote as to psaksoume ligo parapanw. Tha rwthsw kai egw sxetika kai tha sas pw. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Jun 18 12:43:01 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:43:01 +0300 Subject: PROSOXH-PROSOXH-PROSOXH References: Message-ID: <3588E125.50F1686D@ametro.gr> Re paidia min kolate se leptomereies. To an tha grafoun tora i meta den einai critical. Oute kai to an tha dosoun lefta tora. An theloun na graftoun meli, boroun na theoroun tous eaftous tous apo tora, xoris na plirosoun kai ta vriskoume meta. Episis an theloun na dosoun ston Mixali i ston Keramida lefta (opos kanate kai eseis ston Keramida) gia kapoio logo (pou tha tous ton ksekatharisei poios einai kai apo pote einai episimos kai me tin voula tou kratous) pali ginetai. Opote as to theoroume akindyno kai psiloliksan thema. An sas anakoufizei katholou...pantos, edosa ta xartia sto dikigoro, me pire tilefono mou'pe pos arkoun (peripou) gia na proxorisei. MOY EIPE POS GINETAI NA PROSTETHOUN TA 3 ATOMA XEIROGRAFA APO KATO. Opote paei kai afto. Allo ena pou tha ginei, avrio ton sinantao prosopika kai ipografo kai to arthro 36 apo kato gia olous mas (kai min mou pei kaneis oti einai paranomo , gnorizo! Mono an kapoios exei enstasi se afto na tou doso dikigoriko grafeio klp kai na parei na kleisei rantevou, giati den boro na pigaino ego). NA MHN EXETE ENSTASH SAS PARAKALO KAI PERASOUME THN IDIA PERIPETEIA ME TOUS ATELEIOTOUS KAFEDES. Proxoraei simera se aitisi gia lipsi imerominias. Times den eipame. Theios einai tha deiksei kapoio eleos. Evris From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Thu Jun 18 16:57:38 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:57:38 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Nea meli Message-ID: Loipon ta nea meli pou exo ypopsin mou einai ta exis: a) Katsifos Nikolaos b) Prokopidis Prokophs c) K. Tsakaloglou d) Apostolakis Alexis Tha epikoinoniso mazi tous syntoma. Ksexnao kanenan? P.S. Ayto den tha xanaginei, na sas rotao diladi an ksexnao kanenan, apla epeidi tora molis to xekinisame.... Mixalis Kabrianis Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens ******************************************************* Prosoxi: Apo 1/7/98, den tha isxyoyn oi e-mail dieythynseis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr kai mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mporeite na xrisimopoieite tin mkabrian at acropolis.gr ******************************************************** From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Thu Jun 18 17:26:31 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:26:31 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Hellug Message-ID: Sxetika me to endiaferon pou deixate gia na symmetasxete sto Hellug, sas plirofo ro ta exis: a) O syllogos brisketai ayti ti stigmi sto stadio tis systasis. Exei teleiosei t o xekatharisma tou katastatikou, kai i evresi ton idrytikon melon. Episis, orism ena apo ta idrytika meli exoun dosei ETHELONTIKA mia oikonomiki syneisfora, i op oia tha afairethei apo to poson tis eggrafis/syndromis tous. Ypologizetai (kai e lpizoume) oti mexri telos Iouliou o syllogos tha einai pleon nomiko prosopo me t is "evlogies" tou kratous. b) Den mporeite akoma na grafteite meli (afou den yparxei syllogos) oute mporeit e bebaia na plirosete syndromi (gia ton idio logo) alla ayto mpporei na rythmist ei (koinos, ta lefta sas theloume :-) c) Tha enimerotheite syntoma gia mia synantisi gnorimias (oinoposias i kafeposia s, exartatai) kai gia peraitero plirofories. Gia opoiadipote diefkrinisi, steilte mou prosopiko e-mail sto mkabrian at acropolis .gr Mixalis Kabrianis Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens ******************************************************* Prosoxi: Apo 1/7/98, den tha isxyoyn oi e-mail dieythynseis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr kai mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mporeite na xrisimopoieite tin mkabrian at acropolis.gr ******************************************************** From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Fri Jun 19 18:11:28 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:11:28 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: LINUX-HOWTO, kalokairi 98 In-Reply-To: <001701bd7dd0$4a180680$647da7c3@anvo> Message-ID: * To www.linux.gr exei ananewthei arketa, rixte mia matia. * Ton Ioulh tha proxwrhsw ta HOWTO & FAQ, opote ean exete na kanete ypodeijeis & prostheseis jekinhste apo twra. * Yparxei h lista hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr, gia na ftiajoyme syllogo me katastatiko. Mhn leipsei kaneis: http://linux.airtour.gr/ * Den briskw ton silent@, pou exei analabei thn selida me ta projects. Fobamai oti den exei pleon syndromh kai tha balw tis selides tou kalou kakou sto linux.gr. Leipoun akomh to FAQ kefalaio 9, kai to arthro gia ton Titaniko sto magaz. * Oi drasthriothtes pou exw shmeiwsei gia to kalokairi ayto einai oi ejhs: 1) Diorthwsh orthografikwn lathwn kai problhmatwn sto magaz, TGZ me ta 1-x 2) HELLUG, anakoinwsh sto BHMA, (plhrwste osoi prepei) 3) Ellhniko Suse, Redhat me rpms (Mpouras, Keramidas, Lefteris, Fotis) Egw tha dw to thema tou Suse 5.2 idiaitera, as dei allos to RedHat, to 5.1 einai lene international. 4) Ellhniko free Linux CD me TeX/LaTeX 5) Beta testing twn 3,4 (Voula) 6) Unicode & polytonikos odhgos (arxaia), Fotis: tha to psaksw 7) ftp.linux.gr: ajiopoihsh 9gb HDD (fotis+gkoul) 8) INFOSYSTEM '98: MHN MOU PEITE OTI DEN THA EXOUME PERIPTERO??? - tha to doume apo Ioulh 9) Projects page & resharing of jobs (howtos,faqs etc) 10) Ejellhnismos KDE (ayto paei gia 1.0.0 to jerete?) 11) www.hellug.gr (mkabrian, as dei kai o Swthrhs! ) 12) Tex/LaTeX (paizei o Syropoulos me ena Suse demo pou tou exw dwsei) 13) Linux-FEST (mhpws sto telos tou gardening brethoume kai oi linuxades?) 14) Hellenic-HOWTO -> Greeklish sto sunsite (gia na mpainei me ta alla) Diakoph apo Linux gia 1 ebdomada, logw eksetastikhs... Kai krathste mou thn eythimi sthlh tou epomenou magaz, exw kati poly kalo. gia xara se olous +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sat Jun 20 10:05:29 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:05:29 +0300 Subject: Mia eksisosi Message-ID: <358B5F39.79C8F7B9@ametro.gr> Prota, prota gia na min xathei to tracking (to'xame kai pote?) exo na po pros opoion pleon ta diavazei kai ta katagrafei pos o Ioannou edose 20.000 gia afton kai ton Araxova, xeri xeri ston Katratzaferi (sti mama tis Voulas ennoo). Exo lavei apo ton keramida 150.000 ara 15 atoma exoun plirosei. Kai dio o Ioannou 17 Kai osoi steilan ston keramida meta tin proti metaggisi logariasmou X. Ara 17+X Synolo idritikon 23 (eikositria nai). Ypoloipontai Y=23-17-X. To X na mas to pei o Keramidas. Oi Y (an Y>0) parakalountai na epispevdoun. Evris From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sat Jun 20 10:11:24 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:11:24 +0300 Subject: SHMANTIKH MERA Message-ID: <358B609C.C2FE43A1@ametro.gr> Eidame (Voula Evripidis) ton dikigoro mas exthes (Ilias Fasoulis, etsi legetai gia na kserete). Dosame ta xartia. Simplirosame tin 3ada pou'xe meinei apekso. Kaname tin anaisxinti praksi ton ipografon. Ola ta xartia einai OK. To katastatiko den xreiazetai na to katathesi mazi me tin aitisi, para otan tha parousiastei sto dikastirio. Ala kai afto OK tou fainetai. Edra oristike i Roumel1s 10 Agia Paraskevi (spiti mou) mia pou einai entelos typiko (mono gia tin edra sigrafis katastatikou kai 1hs sinelefsis xreiastike). Peri imerominias: Gia na paroume Ioulio (mexri mesa) prepei na theorithei ekseretika epeigousa ipothesi. Den exei polles elpides mia pou katatithentai se epitropi pou eksetazei to poso urgent einai ti. Ara stin xeiroteri pame gia mesa Septemvri. Hmerominia idrisis tou sillogou, einai afti tou kafe 9/5/98 kai na tin thimaste oloi. Itan kai ta genethlia mou. Peri lefton: Lefta den ithele na parei akoma. Elpizo na sinexisei etsi (apokleietai). From vrypan at hol.gr Sat Jun 20 14:11:17 1998 From: vrypan at hol.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:11:17 +0000 Subject: LINUX-HOWTO, kalokairi 98 References: Message-ID: <358B98D5.D0DCDB80@hol.gr> Georgatos Fotis wrote: > > * To www.linux.gr exei ananewthei arketa, rixte mia matia. > > * Ton Ioulh tha proxwrhsw ta HOWTO & FAQ, opote ean exete na kanete > ypodeijeis & prostheseis jekinhste apo twra. > > * Yparxei h lista hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr, gia na ftiajoyme syllogo me > katastatiko. Mhn leipsei kaneis: http://linux.airtour.gr/ > > * Den briskw ton silent@, pou exei analabei thn selida me ta projects. > Fobamai oti den exei pleon syndromh kai tha balw tis selides tou kalou > kakou sto linux.gr. > > Leipoun akomh to FAQ kefalaio 9, kai to arthro gia ton Titaniko sto magaz. > > * Oi drasthriothtes pou exw shmeiwsei gia to kalokairi ayto einai oi ejhs: > 1) Diorthwsh orthografikwn lathwn kai problhmatwn sto magaz, TGZ me ta 1-x > 2) HELLUG, anakoinwsh sto BHMA, (plhrwste osoi prepei) > 3) Ellhniko Suse, Redhat me rpms (Mpouras, Keramidas, Lefteris, Fotis) > Egw tha dw to thema tou Suse 5.2 idiaitera, as dei allos to RedHat, > to 5.1 einai lene international. > 4) Ellhniko free Linux CD me TeX/LaTeX > 5) Beta testing twn 3,4 (Voula) > 6) Unicode & polytonikos odhgos (arxaia), Fotis: tha to psaksw > 7) ftp.linux.gr: ajiopoihsh 9gb HDD (fotis+gkoul) > 8) INFOSYSTEM '98: MHN MOU PEITE OTI DEN THA EXOUME PERIPTERO??? - tha to > doume apo Ioulh > 9) Projects page & resharing of jobs (howtos,faqs etc) > 10) Ejellhnismos KDE (ayto paei gia 1.0.0 to jerete?) > 11) www.hellug.gr (mkabrian, as dei kai o Swthrhs! ) > 12) Tex/LaTeX (paizei o Syropoulos me ena Suse demo pou tou exw dwsei) > 13) Linux-FEST (mhpws sto telos tou gardening brethoume kai oi linuxades?) > 14) Hellenic-HOWTO -> Greeklish sto sunsite (gia na mpainei me ta alla) > Nomizw, oti exw etoimo ena RPM pou bazei ellhnika sto XFree86-3.3.1 (mallon douleuei swsta, se poion perei na to seilw gia na to dokimasei? Na pros8esw kai kati allo. Afou to Latex douleuei mia xara me ellhnika (an apolpoih8ei kai h egaktastash tous), prepei na dhmiourgh8ei ena sgml2grlatex pou na dhmiourgei to swsto *.tex file apo ta sgml. Nomizw oti einai shmantiko, toulaxiston egw 8a h8ela to Hellenic HOWTO tupwmeno... Ti ennoume otan leme "ellhniko RedHat"(p.x.) ? Kata thn gnwmh mou, ta pio shmatnika: 1. Ellhnika sthn konsola 2. Ellhnika sta X-Windows 3. Ellhnikes ektupwseis. 4. Ellhnika sto Netscape (den einai meros tou OS, alla xreiazetai, etsi den einai?) 5. 8-bit clean efarmoges. Panayotis. From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Sat Jun 20 16:52:20 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:52:20 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: LINUX-HOWTO, kalokairi 98 In-Reply-To: <358B98D5.D0DCDB80@hol.gr> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Panayotis Vryonis wrote: > Nomizw, oti exw etoimo ena RPM pou bazei ellhnika sto XFree86-3.3.1 > (mallon douleuei swsta, > se poion perei na to seilw gia na to dokimasei? Steile to sto Incoming tou argea, kai pes sthn linux-greek-users oti uparxei ekei. Mhn paraleipseis na peis se ti distribution einai dokimasmeno, kai apo ti paketa exei prokypsei. > Na pros8esw kai kati allo. Afou to Latex douleuei mia xara me ellhnika > (an apolpoih8ei kai h egaktastash tous), prepei na dhmiourgh8ei ena > sgml2grlatex pou na dhmiourgei to swsto > *.tex file apo ta sgml. Nomizw oti einai shmantiko, toulaxiston egw 8a > h8ela to Hellenic HOWTO tupwmeno... Symfwnw kai epayjanw, kai malista ean thelete mporoume na synantithoume to Sab/ko pou erxetai sthn Athina osoi endiaferomaste, gia na allhloekpaideytoume sta ellhnika, kai na moirasoume douleies gia to kalokairi. Ti lete? (Basiko: Dimitri pes OK!) > Ti ennoume otan leme "ellhniko RedHat"(p.x.) ? Kata thn gnwmh mou, ta > pio shmatnika: > 1. Ellhnika sthn konsola > 2. Ellhnika sta X-Windows + Ellhniko periballon (KDE) > 3. Ellhnikes ektupwseis. > 4. Ellhnika sto Netscape (den einai meros tou OS, alla xreiazetai, etsi > den einai?) > 5. 8-bit clean efarmoges. Idiaitera mailers, news readers, editors klp. Kai egw ayta exw yp' opsin mou san orismo enos ellhnikou distribution, se prwth ekdosh. Sthn synexeia mporoume na doume kai alla problhmata opws ellhnika filenames, kai moirasma me samba aytwn, ena ellhniko pigkouino, anti gia mynhmata toy pyrhna :-) klp. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From dbouras at hol.gr Sun Jun 21 16:05:44 1998 From: dbouras at hol.gr (Dimitrios P. Bouras) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:05:44 +0300 Subject: LINUX-HOWTO, kalokairi 98 References: Message-ID: <358D0528.99603696@hol.gr> Georgatos Fotis wrote: > > Symfwnw kai epayjanw, kai malista ean thelete mporoume na synantithoume to > Sab/ko pou erxetai sthn Athina osoi endiaferomaste, gia na > allhloekpaideytoume sta ellhnika, kai na moirasoume douleies gia to > kalokairi. Ti lete? (Basiko: Dimitri pes OK!) Fwth fantazomai me to "Dhmhtrh" na ennoeis emena, opote na pw oti to Sabbatokyriako pou mas erxetai kata 98.5% 0a mporesw na er0w se mia tetoia synanthsh. Dhmhtrhs From dbouras at hol.gr Sun Jun 21 16:15:48 1998 From: dbouras at hol.gr (Dimitrios P. Bouras) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:15:48 +0300 Subject: LINUX-HOWTO, kalokairi 98 References: <358B98D5.D0DCDB80@hol.gr> Message-ID: <358D0784.FAB9F5D2@hol.gr> Panayotis Vryonis wrote: > > Nomizw, oti exw etoimo ena RPM pou bazei ellhnika sto XFree86-3.3.1 Se ti einai basismeno; Sth douleia tou Tsakirh h sto grISOXKb; Rwtw gia na tou ri3w mia matia gia na epalh0eusw ean to "semi- automatic" installation pou exw etoimasei gia to grISOXKb-1.2 0a doulepsei OK gia to Red Hat. Pisteuw oti to "mellon" ths yposthri3hs glwssas brisketai sthn enswmatwsh tou sto periballon. H prospa0eia tou Giannh tou Tsakirh einai kalh, alla h gnwmh mou einai oti prepei kapoios na katsei na grapsei tis allages pou xreiazontai gia na "paizei" swsta to kikbd. Den exw "akoumphsei" akomh tipote apo to KDE (den exw dokimasei kamia version mexri twra), alla kapote mesa sto kalokairi skopeuw na asxolh0w me to kikbd ean den emfanistei allos me ore3h na to kanei. > 4. Ellhnika sto Netscape (den einai meros tou OS, alla xreiazetai, etsi > den einai?) To problhma me to Netscape, einai oti stis ektypwseis exei leipsh ypostrhri3h gia char-sets alla ektos tou Latin-1 (aka 8859-1)... Dhmhtrhs PS. Sorry Panagiwth, alla *den* exw Red Hat egkatesthmeno kapou gia na dokimasw to RPM sou. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Jun 22 20:49:53 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:49:53 +0300 Subject: Peri HOWTOs kai Ellinikon Message-ID: <358E9941.DE519A32@ametro.gr> Paidia signomi pou grafo edo gia ta HOWTOs alla den eimai sti lista tous oute ego oute i voula (tha boume entos vdomadas) kai tha sinexisoume to thema apo ekei. Milisame me Photi Georgato kai eipame na ta valoume pali gera kai sistimatika brosta. Eidi emeis metafrazoume to Sound HOWTO, sound mini HOWTO klp. **** Photi, ton prokopi ton pires ??!!! Kalo tha itan an thelete kai exete xrono na proveite se kammia metafrasoula. Akoume protaseis simmetoxis sto HOWTO. Tha doume kanenan mas sti lista HOWTO? Tora peri ellinikon. Exo pragmatika sixathei ta greeklish kai nomizo pos to PROTO PRAGMA pou tha eprepe na kanei o sillgos einai na mas litrosei (kai allous) apo afto. Kai gia na min skeftomaste gigantismous. Na paraxthoun 2 apla (!?) paketa ellinika 928 se console elllinika se X (me kapoia gramatoseira) pou kat'eme na einai ite se scriptaki evelikto kai robust ite (kai afto tha itan efxis ergo) se RPM (apo oti ksero exei preistall kai postinstall dinatotites opou telika ekei tha borouse na kanei oti kai to scriptaki parapano, vriskei/dimiourgei dirs klp). Den ksero kai kala kiolas....eseis oi guru na peite. H idea einai na to foras, perpatas kai petas oso pio efkola ginetai. Boroume an afto to piasoume na pame kai gia ensomatosi se X, se kolpa ana sigekrimeno wm (koubia klp) alla as dosoume mia liti efkoli lisi prota! Makari na mou peite pos idi iparxei, doulevei kai ara i doulia einai sxedon 0. Afto pou legame (xoris ton ksenodoxo) einai o Dimitris (pira - eleipe - genise i adrfi tou - na tou zisei) pou ta'xei damasei me ton Photi kai ton guru ton rpms Kerammida na kanoun mia omaditsa na doun pou boroun na to ftasoun. Tester gia SuSe, RedHat i Voula proteinetai efxaristos. Opos to fantazomai tha arkei rpm -i console_greek, rpm -i X_greek kati tetoio kai eisai ok. Den ksero an einai efikto kai an exete xrono (o Photis leei exei). Dimitri? An thelei o Dimitris borei na mou pei se prosopiko email i tilefono apogevma 6017123. Ti skata diladi ta grafoume ta ellinika HOWTOs an den boroume na ta diavasoume apo to leitourgiko mas.? EInai kai thema prestige.! Afta. From vrypan at hol.gr Mon Jun 22 01:07:46 1998 From: vrypan at hol.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:07:46 +0000 Subject: LINUX-HOWTO, kalokairi 98 References: Message-ID: <358D8432.33DF6171@hol.gr> Georgatos Fotis wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Panayotis Vryonis wrote: > > > Nomizw, oti exw etoimo ena RPM pou bazei ellhnika sto XFree86-3.3.1 > > (mallon douleuei swsta, > > se poion perei na to seilw gia na to dokimasei? > > Steile to sto Incoming tou argea, kai pes sthn linux-greek-users > oti uparxei ekei. Mhn paraleipseis na peis se ti distribution einai > dokimasmeno, kai apo ti paketa exei prokypsei. 8a epikoinwnhsw prwta me ton Dhmhtrh Mpoura, na mou pei mia prwth gnwmh kai meta to stelnw. Nomizw oti einai kalutera etsi, afou to RPM basizetai sthn douleia tou Dhmhtrh. > > > Na pros8esw kai kati allo. Afou to Latex douleuei mia xara me ellhnika > > (an apolpoih8ei kai h egaktastash tous), prepei na dhmiourgh8ei ena > > sgml2grlatex pou na dhmiourgei to swsto > > *.tex file apo ta sgml. Nomizw oti einai shmantiko, toulaxiston egw 8a > > h8ela to Hellenic HOWTO tupwmeno... > > Symfwnw kai epayjanw, kai malista ean thelete mporoume na synantithoume to > Sab/ko pou erxetai sthn Athina osoi endiaferomaste, gia na > allhloekpaideytoume sta ellhnika, kai na moirasoume douleies gia to > kalokairi. Ti lete? (Basiko: Dimitri pes OK!) Egw mporw to Sabbato, alla ginetai na sunanth8oume nwris (11 ?) ? Panayotis. From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mon Jun 22 15:44:28 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:44:28 -0000 (GMT) Subject: LINUX-HOWTO, kalokairi 98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19-Jun-98 Georgatos Fotis wrote: <> >* Den briskw ton silent@, pou exei analabei thn selida me ta projects. >Fobamai oti den exei pleon syndromh kai tha balw tis selides tou kalou >kakou sto linux.gr. Oi selides tou den exoun ananeothei edo kai para poly kairo. Mipos tha eprepe na afairethoun entelos? >Leipoun akomh to FAQ kefalaio 9, kai to arthro gia ton Titaniko sto magaz. To arthro gia ton Titaniko na ypenthymiso oti to perimenoume apo ton Febrouario (!!!). Ego prosopika to exo diagrapsei apo tin mnimi mou. Episis exo diagrapsei kai ayton pou to etakse (an kai den xero kan pos legetai) giati ton theoro pleon anaxiopisto gia symmetoxi se periodiko (oxi, den mporei na synexistei ayto kai na bgainei to magaz opote goustaroume.) >* Oi drasthriothtes pou exw shmeiwsei gia to kalokairi ayto einai oi ejhs: >1) Diorthwsh orthografikwn lathwn kai problhmatwn sto magaz, TGZ me ta 1-x Otan elega oti theloume epimeliti keimenon, kati ennoousa... Mallon tora to katalabainoume kalytera? Einai lathos na ginetai epimeleia kai diorthosi keimeno n META tin kykloforia tou periodikou. Ksanaskepsou to thema tou epimeliti kai as e ta teyxi pou yparxoun os exoun. Kalos i kakos, ayta einai, etsi ta ftiaxame. D en yparxei logos na to oraiopoioume katopin eortis. (*To thema einai prosopiko, kakos anaferthike stin hellug kai stin howto listes, alla mia pou to aneferes...*) >2) HELLUG, anakoinwsh sto BHMA, (plhrwste osoi prepei) Katse nte na bgei to HELLUG... >3) Ellhniko Suse, Redhat me rpms (Mpouras, Keramidas, Lefteris, Fotis) > Egw tha dw to thema tou Suse 5.2 idiaitera, as dei allos to RedHat, > to 5.1 einai lene international. Nomiza oti to thema tou distribution tha to analamvane to HELLUG. Nomiza episis oti to enavsma dimiourgias tou HELLUG itan to distribution. Tora ti akribos gine tai mporei na mou exigisei kapoios? >4) Ellhniko free Linux CD me TeX/LaTeX >5) Beta testing twn 3,4 (Voula) >6) Unicode & polytonikos odhgos (arxaia), Fotis: tha to psaksw Blepe parapano... >7) ftp.linux.gr: ajiopoihsh 9gb HDD (fotis+gkoul) >8) INFOSYSTEM '98: MHN MOU PEITE OTI DEN THA EXOUME PERIPTERO??? - tha to >doume apo Ioulh Os ti tha exoume periptero? Os Hellug? Epanalambano, katse na idrythei prota kai blepoume. >11) www.hellug.gr (mkabrian, as dei kai o Swthrhs! ) Pistevoume pragmatika oti yparxei anagki gia ayto? Den nomizete oti to linux.gr mas kalyptei? En pasei periptosei, an arnithei i HOL na balei mixanakia mas sto diktyo tis (pragma pou theoro exeretika apithano), apo tin alli bdomada pou tha eimai sto Forthnet tha einai poly pio eykolo na to psakso, alla to thema parame nei: To xreiazomaste? Kai to problima den einai to domain. Ayto sas to lyno kai amesa. To problima einai APO POU THA PAIRNEI GRAMMI ayto to domain. Kai oxi, ayt o den mporo na sas to lyso. (paradeigma to linux.gr, to opoio epeidi einai pano se emporiko provider, einai xiliokleidomeno kai den mporei kanenas plin tou gkou l na to plisiasei -oxi, den ton katigoro. Katalabaino poly kala ti trabaei-) > >Kai krathste mou thn eythimi sthlh tou epomenou magaz, exw kati poly kalo. Diki sou (ox, to blepo gia Dekembrio to epomeno teyxos) > >gia xara se olous > >+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ >| Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | >| | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | >| GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | >| G E F +----------------------------------------------+ >| G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | >| G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | >| GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | >+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ Kai prin kleisoume, mia eythimi nota. To na petaei kapoios 3 - 4 idees einai par a poly kalo. To na petaei 50 idees, na analambanei tis 40, kai telika (logo xron ou pou se olous mas einai periorismenos) na fernei se peras tin 1 kai oi alles 3 9 na "bouliazoune" (opos o titanikos) kai na ksexniountai, den einai kai poly ep oikodomitiko. Mixalis Kabrianis Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens ******************************************************* Prosoxi: Apo 1/7/98, den tha isxyoyn oi e-mail dieythynseis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr kai mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mporeite na xrisimopoieite tin mkabrian at acropolis.gr ******************************************************** From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Tue Jun 23 14:42:46 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:42:46 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Neoi sto Hellug Message-ID: Pliroforiaka.... ---fygas at manar.diktyocafe.gr wrote: > > th ginetai , kala > > ?? > 8elw kai ego na ginw melos sto club sas :)) > Eimai Linuxas 99% , ( exw kai enan Dos emulator ) > xrhsimopoiw to Linux 1 years..kai kati kati meres :)) > tora basika exw balh kai to FreeBSD. > auta...ratame oti 8eleis...dialdi sxetika > me auta pou xriazontak gia na graftw se esas... > > auta > byeee cu > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Mixalis Kabrianis Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens ******************************************************* Prosoxi: Apo 1/7/98, den tha isxyoyn oi e-mail dieythynseis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr kai mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mporeite na xrisimopoieite tin mkabrian at acropolis.gr ******************************************************** From exindari at math.upatras.gr Tue Jun 23 13:03:41 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:03:41 +0300 Subject: Peri HOWTOs kai Ellinikon References: <358E9941.DE519A32@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <358F7D7D.D4B17BB@ermis.math.upatras.gr> (Simiosi roryt: allo ena bounced mail) Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > Paidia signomi pou grafo edo gia ta HOWTOs alla den eimai sti lista > tous oute ego oute i voula (tha boume entos vdomadas) kai tha > sinexisoume to thema apo ekei. Milisame me Photi Georgato kai eipame na > ta valoume pali gera kai sistimatika brosta. Eidi emeis metafrazoume to > Sound HOWTO, sound mini HOWTO klp. Eyripidh kathvw kai oi ypoloipoi thw listas: Tha hthela na kanv mia parathrhsh - sxolio pavv se ayta. O kyrios skopos toy Hellug einai provthisi toy Linux. Se poious ? Ma se computer - athes fysika. Kai kaka ta psemmata gnvrizoyme oloi oti aytoi poy telika tha endiaferthoyn na baloyn Linux sto PC toys tha einai foithtes ( TEI, AEI , IEK , ergasthrivn eleythervn spoydvn k.lp k.lp ) kai oi opoioi kseoryn Agglika ligo poly h toylaxiston mporoyn na diabasoyn thn computer orologia aneta opote h metafrash tvn HOW to tha einai peritth. -Antilogos: Ma yparxoyn kai alloi poy den kseroyn Agglika kai tha hthelan pithanon na baloyn Linux - Pragmati yparxei mia merida paidvin <20 poy den kseroyn Agglika kai exoyn PC spiti toys alla h kyria asxolia toys einai na paizoyn Quake h Fifa 98 . Pisteyetai oti aytoi tha baloyn Linux ????!!!! ( Mama ti einai ayth h riza sto PC moy ??) -Antilogos: Ma yparxoyn kai alloi poy den kseroyn Agglika den einai foithtes den paizoyn mono paixnidia einai >20 kai tha hthelan pithanon na baloyn Linux -Pramgati yparxoyn kai tetoioi alla h apasxolhsh me to PC toys periorizetai sta ejhw: a) Downloading sex-files from Web b) Ante kai kana gracimataki sto Word Pisteyetai oti aytoi tha baloyn Linux ????!!!! (Ti?? Demones?? Ma ayta einai satanika pragmata !) Elpizv na egina antilhptow me ta parapanva 2) Ayto poy PREPEI opvsdpote na ginei einai na graftei ena Hellenic HOWTO sto opoio tha briskontai olew oi plhroforiew poy einai diaspartew apo edv kai apo kei oson afora thn xrhsh tvn Ellhninkvn se Linux. Nomizv oti kati exei ginei alla egv milav gia oloklhrvmaneh doyleia. To prvto logo se ayto to exoyn oi developers vn antistoixvn programmatvn. Opvw epishw na graftei ena HOWTO poy na afora thn xrhsh ellhnikvn sto Latex. Ayta ta dlyo exoyn zhththei kai apo alloys sth lista kai einai ena flegon thema. Den kserv posoi diafvnoyn h synfvnoyn mazi moy pantvs tha hthela na akoysv kai alles apoceiw panv se ayto. Giannis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Jun 24 00:28:54 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:28:54 +0300 Subject: Hmerominia katathesis xartion Message-ID: <35901E16.8A780419@ametro.gr> Hmerominia pou pirame: DEFTERA 28/9/1998 To onoma mas einai to eksis: "Enosi Xriston kai Filon Linux Elladas (E.X.F.L.E) - Hellenic Linux User Group (HELLUG)" kathoti poly International syllogos. Dievkrinisi: i imerominia=imer/nia katathesis. Apofasi meta apo 15-20 meres apo ekeini tin mera. H apofasi einai thetiki ektos tis periptosis pou kapoios dikastis den katalavei oti oi xristes Linux den einai ethismenoi (einai?) se kapoio psixofarmako (boreis na to peis kai etsi) to Linux. Egrapsa kai mia diefkrinisi se ena arthro pos Linux = Leitourgiko sistima gia ilektronikous ipologistes. Elpizo na aposafinizei ta pragmata ;-) Tafta. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Fri Jul 24 19:36:16 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:36:16 +0300 Subject: Hmerominia katathesis xartion In-Reply-To: <35901E16.8A780419@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <199806241633.TAA01544@merkouri.ath-farm.acropolis.gr> At 12:28 ?? 24/6/1998 +0300, you wrote: >Hmerominia pou pirame: DEFTERA 28/9/1998 >To onoma mas einai to eksis: "Enosi Xriston kai Filon Linux Elladas >(E.X.F.L.E) - Hellenic Linux User Group (HELLUG)" kathoti poly >International syllogos. > >Dievkrinisi: i imerominia=imer/nia katathesis. Apofasi meta apo 15-20 >meres apo ekeini tin mera. Mia pou i imerominia idrysis tou syllogou peftei ligo makria, proteino (kai perimeno apantriseis - idees) tin dimiourgia - systasi prosorinou DS me ta exis themata: a) Syntonismos ellinikis distribution b) Syntonismos prospatheion gia ellinika sta X - consola c) Syntonismos prospatheion gia ellinika se diafora programmata (TEX - nomizo einai etoimo, KDE klp) d) Syntonismos HOW-TO, FAQs klp e) Reservation tou domain hellug.gr f) Kiniseis "dimosion sxeseon" : arthra se periodika, symmetoxi stin Infosystem klp g) Enimerosi - prosorini eggrafi neon melon h) oti allo prokypsei. Apo ayta, ta perissotera idi yparxoun, mono pou den einai entagmena kato apo kapoia kentriki "dioikisi" (epitrepste mou ton oro "syntonismo", mou aresei kalytera) Afou tora fainetai na einai "zesto" to thema, pistevo oti den prepei na afethei na "kryosei" mexri ton Oktobrio... Me agonistikous xairetismous M.K. From roryt at hol.gr Thu Jun 25 09:04:18 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:04:18 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: linux.gr ? Message-ID: Paidia poios kanei admin sto linux.gr ? O Fotis ? As erthei pls mazi mou se epafi me e-mail opoios einai I.Ioannou From voulariba at rocketmail.com Thu Jun 25 09:48:32 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Peri HOWTOs kai Ellinikon Message-ID: <19980625064832.9438.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Gianni, > O kyrios skopos toy Hellug einai provthisi toy Linux. > Se poious ? Ma se computer- athes fysika. Kai kaka ta > psemmata gnvrizoyme oloi oti aytoi poy > telika tha endiaferthoyn na baloyn Linux sto PC toys > tha einai foithtes ........ > - Pragmati yparxei mia merida paidvin 20 poy den > kseroyn Agglika kai > exoyn PC spiti toys alla h kyria asxolia toys einai > na paizoyn Quake h Fifa 98 . symfwnw ki egw me to oti oi perissoteroi pou asxolountai me computer kseroun na diabazoun agglika. Yparxoun, omws, polla paidia pou den kseroun KALA agglika kai otan xreiazetai na lysoun kapoio problima tha synantisoun dyskolies me ta HOWTO an den katalavainoun ti leei akrivws kai apla pianoun to noima. Allwste, theloume na apefthintoume kai se anthrwpous pou den exoun valei akomh Linux kai tha ithelan na to gnwrisoun. Aftoi den einai aparaithta paidia pou paizoun mono Doom, mporei na megaloi antrwpoi pou theloun na kanoun th douleia toys me afto opws p.x. sthn etaireia mou : Topografoi, mhxanikoi (megalis ilikias pou kseroun elaxista agglika giati de xreiasthke sto xwro ths douleias tous) tha xrhsimopoihsoun to Linux gia na kanoun th douleia tous kai oxi san paixnidi. Einai pantws aparadekto na theloume na dwsoume se kapoion na sthsei to Linux, xwris na exei oute ena arxeio boitheias sta ELLHNIKA. > 2) Ayto poy PREPEI opvsdpote na ginei einai na > graftei ena Hellenic > HOWTO sto opoio tha briskontai olew oi plhroforiew > poy einai diaspartew > apo edv kai apo kei oson afora thn xrhsh tvn > Ellhninkvn se Linux. Symfwnw me afto, an kai apo oti exw dei sto linux.gr kati exei ginei. === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Jun 25 10:41:36 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:41:36 +0300 Subject: Pros Kabriani kai opoion allon Message-ID: <3591FF30.B4293E28@ametro.gr> Paidia to Adweek (periodiko gia diafimistes klp) thelei na valei se ena apo ta tefxi tou mia mikri anakoinosi peri tou to-be sillogou mas: Kati san : O Linus Torvalds tha apoktisei "nomimous" filous tin Ellada, To Linux stin Ellada megalonei kati tetoio. Mou zitisan ena mikro keimeno san news letter 5-10 grammes pou na leei pos o sillogos einai mia prospatheia pou idi ksekinise apo epaggelmaties, erastitexnes, foitites klp tou xorou pou endiaferontai na proothisoun to polla iposxomeno Leitourgiko afto pou kanei thravsi pagosmios ston Elliniko xoro me ipostiriksi national thematon klp kai kapoio til, email epikoinonias. O Kabrian exei ton axaro rolo PR (Public Relations) me ta meli, bas kai antexei kai kati tetoio? Kaneis allos bas kai thelei na pei dio malakioules ? Na ta sirrapso kai na tous to steilo me enan pigouino jpg san logo (ton elliniko). Apantiste an boreite mexri kai paraskevi. Evripidis. From mkabrian at acropolis.gr Thu Jun 25 13:41:05 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:41:05 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Pros Kabriani kai opoion allon In-Reply-To: <3591FF30.B4293E28@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 25-Jun-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: >Paidia to Adweek (periodiko gia diafimistes klp) thelei na valei se ena >apo ta tefxi tou mia mikri anakoinosi peri tou to-be sillogou mas: Prosexe... >Kati san : O Linus Torvalds tha apoktisei "nomimous" filous tin Ellada, >To Linux stin Ellada megalonei kati tetoio. >Mou zitisan ena mikro keimeno san news letter 5-10 grammes pou na leei >pos o sillogos einai mia prospatheia pou idi ksekinise apo >epaggelmaties, erastitexnes, foitites klp tou xorou pou endiaferontai na >proothisoun to polla iposxomeno Leitourgiko afto pou kanei thravsi >pagosmios ston Elliniko xoro me ipostiriksi national thematon klp kai >kapoio til, email epikoinonias. ...ti oraio keimenaki egrapses. Me ligo "xtenisma" einai etoimos. > >O Kabrian exei ton axaro rolo PR (Public Relations) me ta meli, bas kai >antexei kai kati tetoio? O.k., tha sta fero to Sabbato to proi na synnenoithoume pou pane. >Kaneis allos bas kai thelei na pei dio malakioules ? >Na ta sirrapso kai na tous to steilo me enan pigouino jpg san logo (ton >elliniko). > Steilte idees na mazeytoun... >Apantiste an boreite mexri kai paraskevi. ... opos leei kai o Evripidis mexri Paraskevi, gia na teiosoume to Sabbato. >Evripidis. Mixalis Kabrianis Network Management Center Agricultural University of Athens ******************************************************* Prosoxi: Apo 1/7/98, den tha isxyoyn oi e-mail dieythynseis mkabrian at auadec.aua.gr kai mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Mporeite na xrisimopoieite tin mkabrian at acropolis.gr ******************************************************** From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Thu Jun 25 12:06:27 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:06:27 +0300 Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?=C1=D0=3A_Pros_Kabriani_kai_opoion_allon?= Message-ID: Proteino na ftiaksoume deltio typou kai na to steiloume se osa periodika kai efhmerides einai pithanon na endiaferthoune, akoma kai ektos toy xoroy ths plhroforikhs. Oso gia thn Infosystem, h prothesmia lhgei 29 Iouniou. To epsaksa ligo kai prospathisa na peiso thn etaireia mou na mpei sponsoras, alla mallon den ginetai tipota. Pantos prospatho akoma, den exo xasei oles tis elpides. An exete yp opsh sas kapoion pithano sponsora viasteite. An thymamai kala to kostos toy peripteroy (me eksoplismo) einai gyro stis 250000. T. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Thu Jun 25 21:58:42 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:58:42 +0300 Subject: Pros Kabriani kai opoion allon References: Message-ID: <35929DE2.FF28801D@ermis.math.upatras.gr> > > O.k., tha sta fero to Sabbato to proi na synnenoithoume pou pane. Paidia an exete kanonisei kammia synantisi gia peite na kseroyme. ( giati mporei na erthv Athina ) Giannis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Jun 26 08:41:37 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:41:37 +0300 Subject: Pros Kabriani kai opoion allon References: <35929DE2.FF28801D@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <35933491.9E50B0F@ametro.gr> John Exidaridis wrote: > > > > > O.k., tha sta fero to Sabbato to proi na synnenoithoume pou pane. > > Paidia an exete kanonisei kammia synantisi gia peite na kseroyme. ( > giati mporei na erthv Athina ) > > Giannis Tha ginei mia mikro-sinantisi-kafes to Savatto spiti mou peri ellinikon sta X (rpms, scripts, klp), an thes na eisai ekei giro (i opoios thelei) as steilei kana prosopiko email na tou po leptomereies. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Jun 29 16:59:04 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:59:04 +0300 Subject: Done: Sound playing HOWTO Message-ID: <35979DA8.20EA4195@ametro.gr> apo evripidi kai voula : valame kai allo ena HOWTO tis seiras sound opoios thelei na to dei prosorina tha einai sto http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/HOWTOs/Sound-Playing-HOWTO-GR5.html Tafta. From flouris at csi.forth.gr Fri Jul 10 12:55:59 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:55:59 +0300 Subject: Siwph ... References: <35441AFE.59941EEC@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <35A5E52F.60BF60FB@ics.forth.gr> Ti egine re paidia ? Akra toy tafoy siwph ? 'H mhpws eimai ektos listas ? Mike & From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Jul 10 13:52:07 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:52:07 +0300 Subject: ADWEEK kai alla tina References: <35441AFE.59941EEC@ametro.gr> <35A5E52F.60BF60FB@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: <35A5F257.3744D7CB@ametro.gr> Geia xara. Esteila ena mail sto HELLUG pou anefere pos egine mia dimosievsi gia to HELLUG apo to adweek (sindromitiko periodiko pou moirazetai se diafimistes, PR, polites etairion). Grapsame kati , meta afto psiloalaxtike apo tous sintaktes tou adweek. Kalo einai, san newsletter, exei kai to logo mas. Epeidi eixe kai to attachment scannarismeno to kommati, mallon kopike sto mail, den to eida. Opoios to thelei apo arrostimeni periergeia na steilei prosopiko email. PERI ALLON: (1) Den boroume (leo tora...) na kanoume kammia mikri sillogi programmatakion pou sxetizontai me ellinika (p.x. to gr2gr pou mou edeikse o Maistrelis pou kanei convert apo ISO se 437 + apo ellinka se greeklish kai tetoia, kana greek ispell, console greek (san afta tou Keramida klp), Netscape.ad kai tetoia) se ena rpm na to vazeis kai na kaneis supercharge to linux sou me ellinika utilies? Kserei kaneis tetoia progs, exei xrono? (2) Allo ena einai pos antistoixa pragmata tha prospathisoume na kanoume me ta HOWTOs (oloi exoun sti glossa tous merika/ola ta HOWTOs) kai eftixos exoume polla ergatika xeria edo pou eimai gia afto to skopo. Oste na iparxei p.x. ena Greek-HOWTO sxetika kalo. An kai den iparxei drastiriotita sti HOWTO lista (den einai kai to pio epikodomitiko pragma i metafrasi), alla afto den peirazei.. Pantos kai edo an kaneis exei xrono kai oreksi... Na kai allo ena rpm (oxi den exo kolisei me ta RPMs! apla afto mou erxetai proto san morfi install) (3) Teleftaio einai me ta ellinika sta X pou nomizo pos kai ekei kati kanei o Bouras / Vryonis (paketo installation, rithmiseis, grammatoseires) klp. Na kai ena trito. Ta ensomatoneis p.x. se ena distribution kai eisai Greek-ready. (p.x. mou fanike poli oraio sto KDE pou itan ekselinismena ta menu klp asxeto me tin protimisi tou kathenos gia to File/Arxeio.Fantazomai tha einai omorfotero an stin consola i sta X vlepeis ta ellinika sou HOWTOs, exeis ellinika onomata arxeion i otidipote allo.) Telika isos tha'prepe na psiloorganothoume siga siga me tin ennoia tou na kseroume poioi kai an diatithente na kanoun ti. Afto den xreiazetai na perimenoume na bei kammia dikastiki sfragida gia na ginei, kai etsi kai alloios tha xreiastei na to kanoume kapoia stigmi. Isos kai na eprepe pleon na milisoume kai me ta paidia tou users-list pou isos na endiaferontan na voithisoun, alla prin apo afto tha eprepe na apofasisoume peripou se ti tha dosoume efford. Kai meli tha prepe na ksekinisoume na dexomaste, informal ... An i kouventa den einai kai poli kalokairini tin afinoume gia meta. An oxi... From roryt at hol.gr Mon Jul 13 01:58:16 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:58:16 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: hellug.gr ? Message-ID: Prin apo ligo kairo eixe ginei koubenta gia .hellug.gr ? Kamia idea ep'aytou ? I.Ioannou From flouris at csi.forth.gr Mon Jul 13 10:38:32 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:38:32 +0300 Subject: Latex References: <199806241633.TAA01544@merkouri.ath-farm.acropolis.gr> Message-ID: <35A9B978.CC7683E6@ics.forth.gr> Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > c) Syntonismos prospatheion gia ellinika se diafora programmata (TEX - > nomizo einai etoimo, KDE klp) Dex kserw ti prospatheia exei ginei sto TEX pantws an ennoeite to grapsimo ellhnikwn mesw babel nomizw oti einai aparadekto. Einai aparadekto na grafoyme ellhnika me latinikoys xarakthres. To Latex poy xrhsimopoiw einai ena paketo Latex2e poy yposthrizei kathara ellhnika (keimeno dhmadh me ellhnikoys xarakthres kai oxi latinikoys) kai exei sthmena polla ellhnika fonts (mazi me ta kd poy protimw) kai to exw sthsei sto ICS. To exw dokimasei kai se linux kai doyleyei apsoga. An kapoios endiaferetai na to dokimasei mporw na toy to dwsw ... To mono problhma poy isws yparxei einai oti mesa yparxoyn merika fonts ths adobe poy ypothetw oti einai copyrighted. Mike & -- //// (@ @) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oOO-\O/-OOo-=-=-=-= Mike D. Flouris - Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research & Technology, Hellas. http://www.ics.forth.gr/~flouris From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Jul 13 12:30:23 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:30:23 +0300 Subject: Na i anakoinosi pou grapsane gia to HELLUG Message-ID: <35A9D3AF.7653132@ametro.gr> to keimeno sto http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/adweek.html kai to scanarismeno original sto http://linux.airtour.gr/photos/adweek.jpg Evripidis From mkabrian at acropolis.net Wed Aug 12 18:08:12 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:08:12 +0300 Subject: hellug.gr ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199807131505.SAA24426@merkouri.ath-farm.acropolis.gr> At 01:58 ?? 13/7/1998 +0300, you wrote: >Prin apo ligo kairo eixe ginei koubenta gia .hellug.gr ? >Kamia idea ep'aytou ? > >I.Ioannou > Nai. Idou i enimerosi: To domain mporei na ginei reserve (diladi na kratithei) mono me onoma ypeythynoy kai AFM, gia treis mines. Meta tin parodo ton trion minon, to domain apeleytheronetai, kai mporei na to parei opoios thelei. Ta stoixeia tou domain ginetai na allaxoun (dieythinsi, texnikos ypeyhtynos, e-mail klp) alla den mporei na allaxei o dioikitikos ypeythynos. Ara, an to parei enas apo emas, den mporei meta na to dosei sto hellug. Mporei episis na xrisimopoiithei (diladi na apantaei). Se aytin tin peripotsi, thelei, ektos ton proigoumenon stoixeion, toulaxiston ena mixanima, diladi toulaxiston mia IP, kai toulaxiston ena Name server pou tha apantaei gia ayto to domain (nomizo oti prepei na einai dyo oi nameservers)... Ayta. Pistevo oti molis dimiourgithei kai episima to HELLUG (pou na mporei na parei to onoma) prepei na erthoume se epafes me kapoioys providers, gia na mas paraxorisoun IPs kai bandwidth. Ayta einai thema megalis syzitisis, kai protimo na ginei meta pou tha dimiourgithei to HELLUG, kai na tethei i poreia tou syllogou, se psifisi. (p.x apo poion tha zitisoume grammi, eimaste i oxi diatetheimenoi na plirosoume, theloume accounts mono mesa apo ton provider i kai apo exo klp klp klp). Michalis Kabrianis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Jul 14 10:32:30 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:32:30 +0300 Subject: Parte kai to ISP-Connectivity Message-ID: <35AB098E.628CFD31@ametro.gr> einai sti diefthinsi: http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/HOWTOs/ISP-Connectivity-GR.html kai opoios antexei tis anorthografies kai tis kakes metafraseis na paei na to dei kai na to kanei kalitero. Evripidis + Voula (maestroi tis simfonikis orxistras metafraseon tou Metro) :-) From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Jul 14 10:53:35 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:35 +0300 Subject: Photis Georgatos + HOWTOs Message-ID: <35AB0E7F.9CF8B761@ametro.gr> Pros Photi...mia pou se esena elaxe o kliros na kaneis to housekeeping tous :-) Tha prepei na theorisoume kapoia stigmi pos ta idi iparxonta HOWTOs einai telika (aneksartita an borei kapoios na vrei kai alla lathi). Na orisoume mia imerominia (se kammia dio vdomades) me to peras tis opoias, na: (a) skefteis ta URL sto opoio tha vriskontai ta keimena afou parthoun ta arxeia apo to diko mas site pou simera iparxei kai avrio isos oxi kai na boun se site tou linux.gr (oxi san links pros emas alla oloklires oi selides) KAI NA MAS STEILEIS TIS DIEFTHINSEIS AFTES: p.x. Mini-Tade-HOWTO sto linux.airtour.gr/HOWTOs/Mini-Tade-HOWTO-GR.html ... Maxi-Tade-HOWTO sto linux.airtour.gr/HOWTOs/Maxi-Tade-HOWTO-GR.html --> diko sou task! (b) AFOU apofasistoun ta links, na grafoun kai sta idia ta HOWTOs os "pou boreite na vriskete nees ekdoseis ton keimenon" (edo borei ektos apo to formal site mas, na periexei links kai pros ti selida kathenos mas kai pros to sunsite) KAI NA STA STEILOUME ->task per metafrasti HOWTO (d) Meta episis na kanoume contact tous epimerous original siggrafeis pou theloun kai prepei na idopiithoun peri ton metafraseon, tou site sto opoio vrisketai oste na to ensomatosoun sta links tous, sto HOWTO revision history tous klp. --> task per metafrasti HOWTO (e) Telos na boun sto sunsite mazi me ta loipa ellinika kai opou allou bainoun ta howtos --> task diko sou mallon (an boroume na to kanoume kai emeis kai den exeis xrono, pes. Alla tha voithouse an to analamvanes giati eimaste ligo piesmenoi)! An gia opoiodipote logo den boreis/prolavaineis pes, na vrethei mia enallaktiki lisi. Evripidis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Jul 14 10:58:59 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:58:59 +0300 Subject: Sorry re paidia Message-ID: <35AB0FC3.796F815@ametro.gr> Den ksero an ftaine oi 40+ vathmoi, alla exo mia sinexi astoxia metaksi click to HELLUG list kai click to HOWTO list sto Netscape mou. Tha ftiaksei i skopefsi mou me ton kairo :-) Kai pali signomi. Evripidis From vrypan at hol.gr Fri Jul 17 19:17:33 1998 From: vrypan at hol.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:17:33 +0000 Subject: Ellhnika sto XFree86 me RPM. Message-ID: <35AF791D.7CC536CF@hol.gr> Exw balei sto ftp://ftp.linux.gr/incoming to paketo XFGreekKBD-1.2-1.src.rpm pou einai basismeno sto grISOXKb-1.2. Den periexei ola ta "kaloudia" tou grISO alla oti leipei apo to XFree86 gia na uposthrizei ellhnika. Gia na dhmiourghsete to "kanoniko" RPM dwste "rpm --rebuilt XFGreekKBD-1.2-1.src.rpm" kai 8a dhmiourgh8ei to antistoixo *.i386.rpm k.l. Kanonika, to paketo pou dhmiourghtai 8a eprepe na einai ths morfhs *.noarch.rpm alla den kserw pws ginetai auto, an kserei kapoios, as me enhmerwsei. Afou dhmiourghsete to p.x. *.i386.rpm (sto RedHat 8a brisketai kanonika sto /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/) dwste "rpm -i XFGreekKBD-1.2-1.i386.rpm" kai teleiwsate!!! Thn epomenh fora pou 8a mpeite sta X-Windows me to deksi ALT, exete ellhnika! Mhn ksexasete na egkatasthsete ellhnikes grammatoseires!!! Perimenw entupwseis. Panayotis Vryonis. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Sun Jul 19 08:24:48 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Mike Kabrianis) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:24:48 +0300 Subject: Lista Ellinon xriston Linux Message-ID: Oi pio polloi apo esas prepei na exete labei ena prosopiko e-mail me thema tin katametrisi ellinon xriston Linux, opote agnmoiste ayto to mail. Osoi den exete labei prosopiko e-mail, diabaste to kai praxte analogos :-) Eyxaristw File syn-linuxa se xairetoume apo to Magaz (http://www.linux.gr/magaz). To proto elliniko on-line periodiko pou asxoleitai APOKLEISTIKA me to Linux. To e-mail sou to pirame apo to Linux counter, se parakaloume MIN to theoriseis spam. O logos pou sou grafoume einai oti prospathoume na kataxorisoume tous Ellines xristes Linux. To mail ayto stelnetai se 197 diaforetika e-mail. Ayto pou theloume apo sena einai to exis: a) An exeis papsei na asxoleisai me to Linux, i den theleis na katagrafeis katholou san xristis Linux, min apantiseis katholou. b) An theleis na katagrafeis me i xoris allages, mporeis na peraseis apo to http://mk.aua.gr/magaz/members.html kai na sympliroseis ti forma pou tha breis ekei. (se periptosi problimatos me to DNS, i IP einai 143.233.187.58) Elpizoume na min se enoxlise ayto to e-mail, an omos se enoxlise, yposxomaste na min xanaginei... Gia to Magaz Mixalis Kabrianis From ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr Mon Jul 20 11:25:59 1998 From: ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:25:59 +0300 Subject: Lista Ellinon xriston Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980720112559.007a2960@hermes.cc.uoi.gr> At 08:24 AM 7/19/98 +0300, you wrote: >File syn-linuxa se xairetoume apo to Magaz (http://www.linux.gr/magaz). >To proto elliniko on-line periodiko pou asxoleitai APOKLEISTIKA me to Linux. >To e-mail sou to pirame apo to Linux counter, >se parakaloume MIN to theoriseis spam. >O logos pou sou grafoume einai oti prospathoume na kataxorisoume tous >Ellines xristes Linux. To mail ayto stelnetai se 197 diaforetika e-mail. Den xero pou akribos xreiazetai auti i forma alla leipoun erotiseis simantikes opos pou xrisimopoiite to linux (douleia/spiti klp), giati to xrisimopoiite klp... Tha mporousan na dosoun polles plirofories gia tin elliniki linux koinotita... >Gia to Magaz >Mixalis Kabrianis Nikos From mkabrian at acropolis.net Sun Jul 19 18:24:10 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:24:10 +0300 Subject: Lista Ellinon xriston Linux In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980720112559.007a2960@hermes.cc.uoi.gr> References: Message-ID: <199807201521.SAA25776@merkouri.ath-farm.acropolis.gr> At 11:25 ?? 20/7/1998 +0300, you wrote: >At 08:24 AM 7/19/98 +0300, you wrote: >Den xero pou akribos xreiazetai auti i forma alla leipoun erotiseis >simantikes opos pou xrisimopoiite to linux (douleia/spiti klp), >giati to xrisimopoiite klp... Tha mporousan na dosoun polles plirofories >gia tin elliniki linux koinotita... Poly sosta, mono pou ayto einai douleia tou HELLUG. Ta stoixeia profanos tha dothoun kai sto hellug, alla protarxika mazevontai gia to Magaz. Kai bebaia den ithela na kano douleia tou HELLUG gia na min dimiourgiso erides (giati aytos kai oxi o allos, giati ayta ta stoixeia kai oxi alla, giati einai mple o ouranos kai oxi kafe klp klp klp). Exallou, gi ayto yparxei i erotisi, an theloume na enimeronomaste apo to HELLUG. Osoi apantane nai, tha proteino sto HELLUG na laboun ena erotimatologio na to apantisoun. Osoi apantane oxi, i den exoun xrono i den theloun na asxolithoun parapera. Pantos, metaxy allon, fobomouna ligo na fortoso tin forma, giati pisteya oti polys kosmos den tha tin symplirone (Oxi oti eixa adiko. Tha deis ta apotelesmata). > >>Gia to Magaz >>Mixalis Kabrianis >Nikos > From roryt at hol.gr Wed Jul 22 02:41:11 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:41:11 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: hellug.gr ? In-Reply-To: <199807131505.SAA24426@merkouri.ath-farm.acropolis.gr> Message-ID: On 12-Aug-98 Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > At 01:58 ?? 13/7/1998 +0300, you wrote: >>Prin apo ligo kairo eixe ginei koubenta gia .hellug.gr ? >>Kamia idea ep'aytou ? >> > > Nai. Idou i enimerosi: Thanks Mixali, katatopistikotato, kai simfono me ola osa eipes. An xriastei pantos isos na mporesw na boithiso kai egw apo argeas (den nomizw na yparksei antirish apo thn etaireia pou to exei) (An kai edw pou ta leme exw arxisei na ta paizw me tin douleia pou rixnw mono gia thn sintirisi ths listas kai tou ftp :-) ) I.Ioannou From mkab at forthnet.gr Thu Jul 30 15:02:47 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:02:47 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Magaz #6 Message-ID: Sas pliroforoume oti bgike to teyxos 6 tou magaz. Me endiaferonta arthra opos egkatastasi grammatoseiron gia to StarOffice (kai oxi mono), rysthmiseis gia to XISP kai tous ellinikouys providers, mia ...dokimi ton windows 98 klp klp klp. Tha to breite sto gnvsto simeio (http://www.linux.gr/magaz) kai sta mirrors http://linux.forthnet.gr/magaz stin Thessaloniki http://143.233.187.58/magaz stin Athina kai http://sunsite.ics.forth.gr/magaz stin Kriti Kali anagnosi, kai kalo kalokairi. Vryonis Panagiotis Gewrgatos Fwtis Kabrianis Michalis Keramidas Giorgos From bcostas at hol.gr Thu Jul 30 12:45:17 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:45:17 +0300 Subject: Magaz #6 References: Message-ID: <35C040AD.2978@hol.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > ...dokimi ton windows 98 klp klp klp. Twra ayto poy kolaei vre paidia? Gia na doyme dhladh poso anwtero einai to Linux apo ta Windows? Pali ta idia 6a leme? Giati asxoleiste me th Microsoft? Kai meta paraponieste giati den episkeptontai th selida sas. From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Thu Jul 30 18:36:07 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:36:07 GMT Subject: Magaz #6 Message-ID: <199807301536.PAA07068@mk.aua.gr> Sorry Kwsta alla tha se stenoxoriso. Einai to xioumoristiko arthro, opos exoume kai kathe mina (i mallon, se kathe teyxos) des to giatro sta teyxi 3, 4, 5. Kai oxi, den paraponiomaste giati den episkeptontai ti selida mas. Esy pou to eides ayto? Malista, oso douleve o counter, eixame peri ta 800 - 100 hits ana teyxos. Kai o counter bgike gia texnikous logous. Ase de pou den exoume kai kanenan idiaitero kaimo an kapoios den thelei na episkeftei ti selida mas :-) Tin ftiaxnoume gia to gousto mas, kai an thelei kapoios na ti diabasei i na syneisferei, eyprosdektos. Diabase ta editorials tvn teyxvn 1 kai 2 kai tha katalabeis ti enno. Filika Michalis Kabrianis From cvar at startrek.csd.auth.gr Thu Jul 30 16:52:30 1998 From: cvar at startrek.csd.auth.gr (Christos Varelas) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:52:30 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Magaz #6 In-Reply-To: <199807301536.PAA07068@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: Παιδιά, Χαιρετισμούς από Θεσσαλονίκη και... ψυχραιμία! Αυτό που φαντάζομαι ότι εννοούσε ο συν-Linuxας Κώστας είναι ότι δεν αξίζει να δίνουμε σημασία στη ΜικροΜαλακή -- πολύ της "πάει" τόσο που της δίνουν άλλοι! Εγώ πάντως βρήκα το συγκεκριμένο άρθρο αρκετά αστείο και εύστοχο. Όσον αφορά τώρα την απήχηση του Magaz, νομίζω ότι μεγαλώνει συνεχώς. Εδώ στη Θεσσαλονίκη ακούγεται αρκετά -- δεν χάνω ευκαιρία να το συστήνω και ξέρω συγκεκριμένα άτομα που το διαβάζουν. Άντε, take it easy γενικώς και καλά μπάνια! Christos Varelas, PhD Student of Artificial Intelligence, Department of Computer Science, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Macedonia, Greece. From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Thu Jul 30 20:04:15 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:04:15 GMT Subject: Magaz #6 Message-ID: <199807301704.RAA07174@mk.aua.gr> Xilia sygnomi an fanika epithetikos. Sigoura den itan ayti i prothesi mou (kai malista to skeftika mono otan diabasa to mail tou filou Christou). Kai i apantisi mou ITHELA na einai filiki kai ligo xioumoristiki. An akoustike diaforetika zito sygnomi. Symfono kai ego oti kakos asxoloumaste mazi tis. Mono gia gelia einai, kai kapos etsi to blepei to Magaz :-) Exallou ena xioumoristiko arthro exei periorismeno pedio ston xoro ton PC. Tha koroidepsei ayton pou ta zitaei o k...s tou na koroideftei :-) (stin periptosi mas i MS) Filika Michalis Kabrianis From bcostas at hol.gr Fri Jul 31 00:16:10 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:16:10 +0300 Subject: Magaz #6 References: <199807301536.PAA07068@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <35C0E29A.B542AB9D@hol.gr> Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > Sorry Kwsta alla tha se stenoxoriso. Den nomizw. An htan ka6e fora poy diafwnoysa na stenoxwriomoyn 6a eixan asprisei ta malia moy. > Einai to xioumoristiko arthro, opos exoume kai kathe mina (i mallon, se kathe teyxos) des to giatro sta teyxi 3, 4, 5. > Kai oxi, den paraponiomaste giati den episkeptontai ti selida mas. Esy pou to eides ayto? Egw 6ymamai poly kala kai den grafw malakies gia na perna h wra. An koitakseis ta archives ths listas 6a deis oti kapote kapoios apo to magaz rwtage an episkeptomaste ka6oloy to periodiko? Opws 6ymamai kai thn apanthsh thn opoia den 6a soy thn pw gia na mhn ksekinhsw kana flame. > Malista, oso douleve o counter, eixame peri ta 800 - 100 hits ana teyxos. Kai o counter bgike gia texnikous logous. > Ase de pou den exoume kai kanenan idiaitero kaimo an kapoios den thelei na episkeftei ti selida mas :-) A nai??!! Tote giati se ka6e tefxos stelnetai email sth lista gia na mas enhmerwsete? > Tin ftiaxnoume gia to gousto mas, kai an thelei kapoios na ti diabasei i na syneisferei, eyprosdektos. Diabase ta editorials tvn teyxvn 1 kai 2 kai tha katalabeis ti enno. Ayta ola einai katanohta. To oti th ftiaxnete gia to kefi sas den moy leei tipota. Kai h sygkekrimenh lista gia to kefi toy Ioannoy ginetai. Egw diafwnw me to gegonos oti ka6este kai asxoleiste me thn MS, ths dinete kai aksia apo panw. Mono poy ksexnate oti to magaz "vgainei" sto linux.gr kai oxi sto tria-poylakia-ka6ontai/terastios/linux. O noon noeito. Filika, Costas Barakitis From mkabrian at acropolis.gr Fri Jul 31 11:08:33 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:08:33 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Magaz #6 In-Reply-To: <35C0E29A.B542AB9D@hol.gr> Message-ID: On 30-Jul-98 Costas wrote: >> Einai to xioumoristiko arthro, opos exoume kai kathe mina (i mallon, se >> kathe teyxos) des to giatro sta teyxi 3, 4, 5. >> Kai oxi, den paraponiomaste giati den episkeptontai ti selida mas. Esy pou >> to eides ayto? > > Egw 6ymamai poly kala kai den grafw malakies gia na perna h wra. An > koitakseis ta archives ths listas 6a deis oti kapote kapoios apo to magaz > rwtage an episkeptomaste ka6oloy to periodiko? Opws 6ymamai kai thn apanthsh > thn opoia den 6a soy thn pw gia na mhn ksekinhsw kana > flame. > 1. Kanenas den eipe oti grafeis malakies gia na pernaei i ora 2. To xekinises to flame, apla den to katalabes. To den xekinao flame otan grafo tetoia pragmata einai mono logia. 3. Koitaksa ta archives tis listas linux-greek-users alla den doulevei to search. Pantos me thema pou na periexei ti lexi magaz i ti lexi periodiko, tetoio thread den yparxei. Koitaxa kai ta archives tis Hellug, (se ayta epsaxa olo to arxeio me ta mails gia tis lexeis magaz kai periodiko) kai oute ekei brika tipota. Antithetws, brika polles anafores apo pollous gia to magaz, oles thetikes. (an kai ayto mporo na to apodoso stin eygeneia). Brika kai parapompes sto Magaz (kai oxi mono apo emas). Tha synexiso na psaxno, alla en tw metaxy, mipos mporeis na boithiseis ligo ti mnimi mou? >> Malista, oso douleve o counter, eixame peri ta 800 - 100 hits ana teyxos. >> Kai o counter bgike gia texnikous logous. >> Ase de pou den exoume kai kanenan idiaitero kaimo an kapoios den thelei na >> episkeftei ti selida mas :-) > > A nai??!! Tote giati se ka6e tefxos stelnetai email sth lista gia na mas > enhmerwsete? A) Afairesi tou counter: O counter se diafores stigmes ekane reset (pio polles leptomereies sta editorials 2 kai 3, opote kai bgike) B) Profanos itan plasmatiko to noumero, afou DEN eimaste 800 linuxades stin ellada. Ara polloi pigainane kai xanapigainane, i itan/einai etsi ilithia i domi tou periodikou pou se anagkazei na pigaineis xana kai xana stin proti selida (pragma to opoio bebaia den isxyei. Einai etsi ftiagmeno outos oste i proti selida na sou xreiazetai kathe fora pou bgainei neo teyxos). Gi' aytous tous duo logous bgike o counter. Stelnouume mail sti lista, giati mporei na yparxoun kai kapoioi pou theloun na tin episkeftoun :-) Kai nai, an kai sou fainetai periergo, yparxoun kapoioi. To mail sti lista einai o monos tropos epikoinonias mas mazi sas, kai ayton xrisimopoioume. Twra an esena se kourazoun, bale ena filtraki na pigainoun kateytheian ta mails me ti lexi Magaz sto subject, sto gnwsto /dev/null :-) Pliroforiaka pantos, simera proti mera kykloforias, alloi 10 balane to onoma tous stin lista ellinon xriston Linux. To opoio simainei oti toulaxiston 10 atoma pigan kai to diabasane. Mazi me sena pou eisai idi stin lista mas kanei 11. Ki emeis alloi 4, mas kanei 15. Ego eimai ikanopoiimenos apo ayto to noumero. Alla an deis kai ta mails pou exoume apantisei (kai oxi ola osa exoume labei) sta teyxi 2-6, arthra mailbox, ta opoia synolika einai 47 apo toulaxiston 40 diaforetika atoma, kai an diabaseis ti lista pou epikaleisai kai deis posoi anaferontai sto magaz (alloi 10 na sou balo ego) tha deis oti exoume ena koino pano kato 65 atomon pou milane gia to magaz. Nomizo oti einai arketa asfales na theoriso oti einai kai alloi 35 as poume pou den milane, opote na oi 100 amesos amesos. Apo tin alli meria, kataxorimenoi Ellines linuxades ypo opoiadipote morfi kai me tis pio aisiodoxes problepseis (editorial teyxous 2) einai pano - kato 300. E, einai kalo pososto, etsi? :-) >> Tin ftiaxnoume gia to gousto mas, kai an thelei kapoios na ti diabasei i na >> syneisferei, eyprosdektos. Diabase ta editorials tvn teyxvn 1 kai 2 kai tha >> katalabeis ti enno. > > Ayta ola einai katanohta. To oti th ftiaxnete gia to kefi sas den moy leei > tipota. Kai h sygkekrimenh lista gia to kefi toy Ioannoy ginetai. Egw diafwnw > me to gegonos oti ka6este kai asxoleiste me thn MS, ths dinete kai aksia apo > panw. Mono poy ksexnate oti to magaz "vgainei" > sto linux.gr kai oxi sto tria-poylakia-ka6ontai/terastios/linux. O noon > noeito. Telika den einai katanoita. Diabase (epanalambano) to editorial tou teyxous 3 (ayto to pareleipsa). H mallon, epeidi ap' oti fainetai DEN tha to diabaseis, sou antigrafo to kommati: 8ma \kko h]la to opo_o ha ^heka ma amav]qy ed~, e_mai to h]la tgr euh}mgr. J\he aqhqocq\vor v]qei aj]qaia tgm euh}mg cia aut\ pou cq\vei jai upostgq_fei. > Filika, > Costas Barakitis Filika? mmmm as to dextoume Pragmatika filika (mia pou oloi eimaste sto idio stratopedo) Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From bcostas at hol.gr Fri Jul 31 11:44:54 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:44:54 +0300 Subject: Magaz #6 References: Message-ID: <35C18406.4095@hol.gr> > > > > Filika, > > Costas Barakitis > Filika? mmmm as to dextoume > > Pragmatika filika (mia pou oloi eimaste sto idio stratopedo) Asto vre Mixalh. Den yparxei logos na tsakwnomaste. Afoy den mporoyme na synnenoh6oyme den exei nohma. Ontws oloi sto idio stratopedo eimaste. Egw eimai anti6etos me thn logikh na asxoloymaste me th MS. Ayto soy to eipa apo thn prwth stigmh. Alla se peirakse poly h frash "kai meta paraponieste....". Giati den eida tipota allo se olo to email. Ka6hses kai moy egrapses posoi mpainoyn. Makari na einai oi triploi apo osoys les :-) OK th diagrafw kai zhtw syggnwmh giati fainetai oti phres anapodes, diko moy to la6os. Oson afora to editorial kai vevaia to exw diavasei. Opws akoyw kai ton kosmo na leei oti oi Linuxades einai kompleksikoi kai 6eloyn na gyrisoyn ton kosmo 20 xronia pisw. Kai diafwnw me th logikh na asxoloymaste me thn MS. Ta 'xoyme pei xiliades fores. Skepsoy omws kati. Otan kapoios asxetos me to Linux ma6ei oti yparxei revma sthn Ellada 9/10 6a dokimasei www.linux.gr. Otan loipon mpei ekei kai dei W98 9/10 6a mas pei kompleksikoys. Egw mporw na zhsw me ayto opws eimai sigoyros kai esy. Apla an grapsoyme thn MS sta @!DD^& mas den 6a xasoyme tipota. Filika, (oso kai na soy fainetai periergo) Costas Barakitis. PS: Kales diakopes. From kokni at eexi.gr Fri Jul 31 20:02:33 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:02:33 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Magaz #6 In-Reply-To: <35C18406.4095@hol.gr> Message-ID: Paides paratrabh3e to 8ema kai sigoura den mou aresei na blepw ton kabriani na dikaiologeitai gia mia prospa8eia pou upo K.S. 8a htan a3ia sygxarhthriwn (Mixalh mh masas). Sigoura, te8hke ena swsto 8ema, auto ths anaforas twn proiontwn ths Microsoft. Einai megalh syzhthsh kai par'olo pou symfwnw kata bash me to oti prepei na kanoume san na mhn yparxei *ka8olou* h MS arnoumai na anoi3w tetoia syzhthsh otan to flame einai enantion to magaz kai tou linux.gr genikotera. Opoios nomizei oti mporei na ta kanei kalytera, well, Just Do It. Ta ypoloipa (kritikes,gnwmes, flames klp) einai trixes otan kryboun ey8eies prwsopikes boles h exoun proklhtiko yfos. Eidika stekomai sto yfos, giati poly ekneuristika. Goustarw to magaz oso den to goustarei o tade. Den exw nomimo symferon, oute gnwrizw kanena ek twn dhmiourgwn prwsopika (as einai kala to floral pou eida 5 an8rwpous live). Alla opoios arxizei ta http://3.poulakia.ka8ontan/terastios prepei na labei apanthsh to URL http://pare.3 (olografws: tria)/kai.pane.na.deis.an.erxomai Ka8olou filika Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi..gr From A.HRISTODOULAKIS at telestet.gr Fri Jul 31 16:10:55 1998 From: A.HRISTODOULAKIS at telestet.gr (HRISTODOULAKIS ALEXANDROS) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:10:55 +0300 Subject: Magaz #6 Message-ID: <2F80B3457CF4D11181240020AFF9D82F1445BA@SERVERHX.telestet.gr> > arnoumai na anoi3w > tetoia syzhthsh otan to flame einai enantion to magaz kai tou linux.gr > genikotera. > Opoios nomizei oti mporei na ta kanei kalytera, well, Just Do It. > Ta ypoloipa (kritikes,gnwmes, flames klp) einai trixes otan kryboun > ey8eies prwsopikes boles h exoun proklhtiko yfos. > Eidika stekomai sto yfos, giati poly ekneuristika. Goustarw to magaz > oso > den to goustarei o tade. Den exw nomimo symferon, oute gnwrizw kanena > ek > twn dhmiourgwn prwsopika (as einai kala to floral pou eida 5 an8rwpous > live). Alla opoios arxizei ta http://3.poulakia.ka8ontan/terastios > prepei > na labei apanthsh to URL http://pare.3 > (olografws: tria)/kai.pane.na.deis.an.erxomai > > Ka8olou filika > Nikos Kokras > kokni at eexi..gr > > Kala eiste sobaroi ? Etsi dinetai paradeigma s'olous osous parakolou8wntas tis syzhthseis sas prospa8oun na bgaloun akrh me to linux? Eida ena flame na stamataei apo tis 12:00 me ton kalytero tropo poy exw dei sthn lista oso kairo eimai ki egw s'aythn, kai ksafnika meta apo treis (3) wres ayto to pragmatika akrws ybristiko kai prosblhtiko mail . Egw isws eimai o releytaios poy dikaioytai na milhsei s'aythn thn lista , alla epeidh ki egw kanonatas ton diko moy agwna exw systhsei thn lista sas se paidia apo thn etairia mou (ton teleyaio kairo endiaferontai toylaxiston alloi 2 gia linux), den 8a8ela epoydenh kapoios na mou pei "re file ti einai aytoi dw pera?", sas parakalw otan stelnete tetoia mails na to skeftestai alles 2 fores prin ki an den mporeite na sygkrath8eite uparxei kai to proswpiko mail. Me pragmatika megalh ektimhsh s'olh thn lista Alexandros Cristodoulakis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Jul 31 16:25:43 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:25:43 +0300 Subject: MIA STIGMI MIA STIGMI... References: Message-ID: <35C1C5D7.A16DDD33@ametro.gr> ...kathe stigmi einai stigmi milko filarako [allazo to thema tou thread] 1. kai nomiza pos ego eimai o thermoaimos tis pareas! 2. Bika prin ligo kai den prolavaino na sas diavazo. 3. Re stamatiste prin minoume xoris meli, orkismenoi exthroi o enas tou allou kai tetoia alla. Eimaste pou eimaste three and the koukos sigkritika me allous... 4. Ekastos sto eidos tou, kai me tis apopseis tou, den eipame pos oloi simfounoume apla pos theloume na sinergastoume filika. Kali thelisi thelei to pragma. 5. Afta kai na to teleionoume to thema edo. P.S. pate na deite kai to http://psixraimia.foties.exei.kalokairi.arketes/aste_ta/flames.html From bcostas at hol.gr Fri Jul 31 16:31:40 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:31:40 +0300 Subject: Magaz #6 References: Message-ID: <35C1C73C.6EC1@hol.gr> Kokras Nikolaos wrote: > > Paides paratrabh3e to 8ema kai sigoura den mou aresei na blepw ton > kabriani na dikaiologeitai gia mia prospa8eia pou upo K.S. 8a htan a3ia > sygxarhthriwn (Mixalh mh masas). > Sigoura, te8hke ena swsto 8ema, auto ths anaforas twn proiontwn ths > Microsoft. Einai megalh syzhthsh kai par'olo pou symfwnw kata bash me to > oti prepei na kanoume san na mhn yparxei *ka8olou* h MS arnoumai na anoi3w > tetoia syzhthsh otan to flame einai enantion to magaz kai tou linux.gr > genikotera. > Opoios nomizei oti mporei na ta kanei kalytera, well, Just Do It. > Ta ypoloipa (kritikes,gnwmes, flames klp) einai trixes otan kryboun > ey8eies prwsopikes boles h exoun proklhtiko yfos. > Eidika stekomai sto yfos, giati poly ekneuristika. Goustarw to magaz oso > den to goustarei o tade. Den exw nomimo symferon, oute gnwrizw kanena ek > twn dhmiourgwn prwsopika (as einai kala to floral pou eida 5 an8rwpous > live). Alla opoios arxizei ta http://3.poulakia.ka8ontan/terastios prepei > na labei apanthsh to URL http://pare.3 > (olografws: tria)/kai.pane.na.deis.an.erxomai > > Ka8olou filika > Nikos Kokras > kokni at eexi..gr Niko, Exw thn tapeinh apopsh oti ayto to 6ema ly6hke kai an oxi, afora toylaxiston emena kai ton Mixalh. Na moy estelne ayto to email o Mixalhs paei kala, toylaxiston ayton prosvala an ton prosvala. Alla na moy stelnei email se tetoio yfos kapoios tritos den exei nohma. Egw pantws den prosvalomai apo ayto to email, parolo poy evales ta dynata soy gia na to petyxeis. Filika loipon, oso kai an prospa6eis na me peiseis gia to anti6eto. Costas Barakitis. From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Fri Jul 31 19:43:28 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:43:28 GMT Subject: Magaz #6 Message-ID: <199807311643.QAA07711@mk.aua.gr> Mia paratirisi mono. O tropos den itan o kalyteros. To na alloioneis ayta pou eleges i na alloioneis ta legomena tou allou, den einai tropos na stamatiseis ena flame. Sigoura o Nikos Kokras milise ligo entona, alla etsi ekane kai o Costas Barakitis sto deytero e-mail tou. Kai mia pou tora mporo na grapso, Kosta lypamai pou den eides tipota allo sto e-mail mou pera apo to posoi mpainoun. Kai nomizo oti exo kathe dikaioma na parexigitho an XORIS STOIXEIA les oti paraponiomaste gia hits. To noima, pou den to katalabes, einai oti xestikame gia ta hits. Stenoxoriomaste omos otan malonoume. Gi ayto kai ta mail mou itan irema kai xoris simeia tribis, en antithesei me ta dika sou kai tou Nikou. To e-mail mou einai mkabrian at acropolis.gr To e-mail tou magaz einai magaz at linux.gr E-mails pou apeythynontai se mena prosopika i sto magaz, parakalo na stelnontai stis antistoixes dieythinseis. H lista ayti exei ena skopo kai KAMIA SXESI ME FLAMES. Panta filika Mixalis Kabrianis From kokni at eexi.gr Fri Jul 31 22:03:09 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:03:09 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Magaz #6 In-Reply-To: <35C1C73C.6EC1@hol.gr> Message-ID: > Niko, > > Exw thn tapeinh apopsh oti ayto to 6ema ly6hke kai an oxi, afora > toylaxiston emena kai ton Mixalh. Na moy estelne ayto to email o Mixalhs > paei kala, toylaxiston ayton prosvala an ton prosvala. Alla na moy > stelnei email se tetoio yfos kapoios tritos den exei nohma. Egw pantws > den prosvalomai apo ayto to email, parolo poy evales ta dynata soy gia > na to petyxeis. > > Filika loipon, oso kai an prospa6eis na me peiseis gia to anti6eto. > > Costas Barakitis. > Kaneis megalo la8os ean nomizeis oti 8elw na se prosballw. Phra to mail mou kai blepw to ejhs ekneuristiko: "mhn grafete oti 8elete giati to magaz den bgainei sto http://3.poulakia.ka8ontan" (den einai paste alla eley8erh apodosh) An nomizeis oti eisai kalyteros, pane kai ftia3e. Auto lew aplws. Ta ypoloipa einai trixes. Aplws pane kai kane (to skeptiko auto einai gnwrimo stous palaioterous linuxades) Petagomai sthn syzhthsh giati den einai prive' alla dhmosia (blepe lista) kai 8igei kati poly agaphto se mena (to magaz). Goustarw na ftiaxnw kafe kai na xazeuw 2 pragmatakia sto monadiko ellhniko periodiko gia Linux. Synepws exw ka8e dikaioma na milaw. Oso gia to yfos mou, einai analogo tou "3.poulakia,ka8ontai" To asteio einai oti ean eixes 8esei to 8ema sobara kai euprepws 8a se eixa yposthri3ei giati kata bash exeis dikio oson afora thn MS. tespa Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr From bcostas at hol.gr Fri Jul 31 17:08:26 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:08:26 +0300 Subject: Magaz #6 References: Message-ID: <35C1CFDA.198@hol.gr> Kokras Nikolaos wrote: > > > Niko, > > > > Exw thn tapeinh apopsh oti ayto to 6ema ly6hke kai an oxi, afora > > toylaxiston emena kai ton Mixalh. Na moy estelne ayto to email o Mixalhs > > paei kala, toylaxiston ayton prosvala an ton prosvala. Alla na moy > > stelnei email se tetoio yfos kapoios tritos den exei nohma. Egw pantws > > den prosvalomai apo ayto to email, parolo poy evales ta dynata soy gia > > na to petyxeis. > > > > Filika loipon, oso kai an prospa6eis na me peiseis gia to anti6eto. > > > > Costas Barakitis. > > > Kaneis megalo la8os ean nomizeis oti 8elw na se prosballw. > Phra to mail mou kai blepw to ejhs ekneuristiko: > "mhn grafete oti 8elete giati to magaz den bgainei sto > http://3.poulakia.ka8ontan" (den einai paste alla eley8erh apodosh) > An nomizeis oti eisai kalyteros, pane kai ftia3e. > Auto lew aplws. Ta ypoloipa einai trixes. Aplws pane kai kane > (to skeptiko auto einai gnwrimo stous palaioterous linuxades) > Petagomai sthn syzhthsh giati den einai prive' alla dhmosia (blepe lista) > kai 8igei kati poly agaphto se mena (to magaz). Goustarw na ftiaxnw kafe > kai na xazeuw 2 pragmatakia sto monadiko ellhniko periodiko gia Linux. > Synepws exw ka8e dikaioma na milaw. > Oso gia to yfos mou, einai analogo tou "3.poulakia,ka8ontai" > To asteio einai oti ean eixes 8esei to 8ema sobara kai euprepws 8a se eixa > yposthri3ei giati kata bash exeis dikio oson afora thn MS. > Telos pantwn afoy to 6ema ly6hke xwris aimatoxysies ola kala. Diko moy to la6os. Pantws kai egw goystarw to magaz, alla kai na mhn to goystara 6a to elega proswpika oxi sth lista. Ayta ta oliga, kai na 'ste oloi kala. From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Sat Aug 1 10:17:25 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:17:25 +0300 ( ) Subject: Magaz #6 - The author comes up In-Reply-To: <35C1CFDA.198@hol.gr> Message-ID: Otan eida exthes thn spitha den fantazomoun oti tha ebgaine fwtia :-) Mias kai egrapsa to arthro tha ithela na shmeiwsw to eksis sxetika me to giati asxoloumaste me thn Microsoft: Apla giati exoume ta kotsia kai to kanoume. Gia ton idio logo pou asxoloumaste me ton kafe! H M$ den einai gia emas mia lejh taboo, gia na mhn thn leme. Kai einai dikaiwma mas na leme oti pistevoume gia aythn. To sygkekrimeno arthro eksallou einai xioumoristiko kai den katalabainw giati kapoioi to phran sobara. Elpizw oti sas arese. Apo ekei kai pera, symfwnw me thn grammi na MHN asxoloumaste me thn M$ opws kai me to RAM otan mas ebrize prin apo kapoio kairo. To linux den exei kati na fobhthei apo thn Microsoft (poly perissotero twra, se sxesh me merika xronia prin). Epishs, ta arthra sto magaz ekfrazoun thn gnwmh tou syggrafea tous, opote den prepei na kathgoreite to magaz gia tis idees tou enos. Steilte apla proswpiko email. Eyxaristw pou me diabasate kai gia na mhn jexniomaste: kala mpania! +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From cvar at startrek.csd.auth.gr Sat Aug 1 20:04:46 1998 From: cvar at startrek.csd.auth.gr (Christos Varelas) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:04:46 +0300 (EEST) Subject: =?latin-7?B?0/fl9Onq3CDs5SDq3PDv6eXyIOzl9OHi6+f03fIg8OXx6eLc6+vv7fTv8g==?= =?latin-7?B?IOPp4SD05+0g5fDp6+/j3iDj6/7z8+HyLi4u?= Message-ID: Φίλοι συν-Linux-άδες, Διαβάζοντας το πρόσφατο Linux Zone στο Magaz με τις περιπέτειες του Παναγιώτη Βρυώνη με το Laptop του, πρόσεξα τις μεταβλητές περιβάλλοντος LANG και LC_ALL. Στο σύστημά μου χρησιμοποιώ το KDE με επιλογή για ελληνικά (φυσικά έχω εγκατεστημένες ελληνικές γραμματοσειρές). Επειδή, όμως, έχω προσέξει ότι κάποιες εφαρμογές παραπονούνται για "unsupported locale" και κατά τη διάρκεια κάποιων μετταγλωτίσεων (π.χ. του lesstif) έχω ανάλογα παράπονα με τη μορφή warnings, πρόσθεσα στο /etc/profile τη γραμμή export LANG=gr_GR LC_ALL=gr_GR Μετά από αυτή την κίνηση τα παράπονα εξαφανίστηκαν. Επίσης, όταν έδωσα σε κάποια κονσόλα 'ls -l' παρατήρησα ελληνικά ονόματα μηνών! (αργότερα διαπίστωσα ότι γι' αυτό "ευθύνεται" η μεταβλητή LC_ALL). Ωστόσο, αργότερα ήρθα αντιμέτωπος μ' ένα περίεργο πρόβλημα: όταν έδινα π.χ. 'rm goddamn.file', το bash με ρωτούσε αν θέλω να σβύσω το αρχείο, εγώ έδινα 'y', αλλά όταν έκανα ένα 'ls' το αρχείο ήταν εκεί! Ο μόνος τρόπος για να το σβύσω ήταν με 'rm -f goddamn.file'! 'Οταν έκανα unset την LC_ALL το πρόβλημα έφυγε! Καμιά ιδέα στο που οφείλεται αυτή η περίεργη συμπεριφορά; 'Εχει να κάνει μήπως με το shell; (έχω εγκατεστειμένο το bash-1.14.7-7 από το RedHat 5.1). Ευχαριστώ προκαταβολικά για το χρόνο σας. Christos Varelas, PhD Student of Artificial Intelligence, Department of Computer Science, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Macedonia, Greece. From roryt at hol.gr Sun Aug 2 03:11:54 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 03:11:54 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=D3=F7=E5=F4=E9=EA=DC?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=EC=E5?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=EA=DC=F0=EF=E9=E5=F2?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=EC=E5=F4=E1=E2=EB=E7=F4=DD=F2?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=F0=E5=F1=E9=E2=DC=EB=EB=EF=ED=F4=EF=F2?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=E3=E9=E1?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=F4=E7=ED?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=E5=F0=E9=EB=EF=E3=DE?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lathos Lista. Tetoies erwthseis sthn linux-greek-users pls. H hellug - ypentimizw - einai gia sizitiseis gia ton eprxomeno sillogo HELLUG. On 01-Aug-98 Christos Varelas wrote: > Φίλοι συν-Linux-άδες, > I.Ioannou From vrypan at hol.gr Sun Aug 2 09:51:10 1998 From: vrypan at hol.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 09:51:10 +0300 Subject: Ellhnika sto XFree86 me RPM. References: <35AF791D.7CC536CF@hol.gr> Message-ID: <35C40C5E.BD6F808B@hol.gr> Sto http://members.xoom.com/Vrypan 8a breite to XFGreekKBD-1.2-2.noarch.rpm kai to antistoixo src. Panayotis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Aug 3 09:55:10 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:55:10 +0300 Subject: Kati pros newsletter Message-ID: <35C55ECE.F9B0C10D@ametro.gr> Exei arxisei na moiazei san marketing tmima etaireias to pragma alla kai ola afta xreiazontai...kai eksigo. O Kokras o opoios kai exei kapoies sxeseis me to Computer gia Olous (diorthose an kano lathos) exei provei se kapoies arxikes sizitiseis me tous ekei ipefthinous, gia stili, arthra klp gia Linux. Endiaferontai alla einai epifilaktikoi pros to plithos mas kai tis dinatotites tous Afto pou theloume einai san to-be-episimos-HELLUG na ftiaksoume ena deltio typou pou na eksigei ti einai to HELLUG (kati san afto pou steilame sto AdWeek), na leei ligo ti einai to Linux (giati min to pairnete kai os dedomeno pos oloi einai gnostes). Na anaferetai pos (tha) apoteloume enan sovaro, megalo sillogo kai pos to plithos ton users, etaireion, panepistimion klp stin Ellada me Linux kathe allo para ameliteo einai kai ara exei kapoio target group mia tetoia stili se periodika. Telos tha prepei na fainetai rita i diathesi mas na tous parexoume kathe dinati voithia, plirofories, isos kai mikroarthrakia, texnikes apantiseis, enimerosi klp oste na kanoun to tolmima mia pou tha kseroun pos einai kapoios na voithisei. To ksero pos akougetai poli marketistiko kai exo dei kai tin antistoixi sizitisi sti lista users ("den endiaferomai ti vazoun kai giati oi alloi, para mono gia tin parti mou"), alla edo, nomizo pos oloi simfonoume pos o sillogos pistevei stin diadosi tou Linux kai pos tha kanei pragmata pros aftin tin katefthinsi. Ara: [1] Afto pou exoume idi ftiaksei gia to adweek emeis einai sto: http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/adweek.html na deite ti peripou leme. Simpliroste, allakste kai steilte kammia idea. [2] Tha prepei na einai dedomeni i desmefsi mas pos tha dosoume ligo xrono ean pragmati to Comp gia Olous valei Linux arthra kai mas zitisei kapoia voithia. [3] Afto to pragma an ginei kalo tha borousame na to steiloume kai deltio tipou pros ola ta periodika tou xorou, entheta se efimerides klp, otan apoktisoume kai pio nomimi ipostasi. Akouo loipon deltia typou apo tous marketistes mas ... Evripidis From vrypan at hol.gr Sat Aug 1 12:19:44 1998 From: vrypan at hol.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:19:44 +0300 Subject: Magaz #6 - The author comes up References: Message-ID: <35C2DDB0.F78DBBAA@hol.gr> Georgatos Fotis wrote: > Otan eida exthes thn spitha den fantazomoun oti tha ebgaine fwtia :-) > > Mias kai egrapsa to arthro tha ithela na shmeiwsw to eksis sxetika me > to > giati asxoloumaste me thn Microsoft: > Apla giati exoume ta kotsia kai to kanoume. > Gia ton idio logo pou asxoloumaste me ton kafe! > H M$ den einai gia emas mia lejh taboo, gia na mhn thn leme. > Kai einai dikaiwma mas na leme oti pistevoume gia aythn. > To sygkekrimeno arthro eksallou einai xioumoristiko kai den > katalabainw > giati kapoioi to phran sobara. Elpizw oti sas arese. > Emena Foti mou arese. To edeiksa kai se merikous allous sto grafeio, kapoia stigmhpou eixame "piksei" kai eixe xreiastei na kanoume merika reboot ton web server (MIS) kai oloi pe8anan sta gelia... > Apo ekei kai pera, symfwnw me thn grammi na MHN asxoloumaste me thn M$ > > opws kai me to RAM otan mas ebrize prin apo kapoio kairo. > To linux den exei kati na fobhthei apo thn Microsoft (poly perissotero > > twra, se sxesh me merika xronia prin). Den asxoloumaste me thn MS shmainei kata thn gnwmh mou oxi oti den anaferoume to onoma, les kai einai tamboo, alla oti den anaboun fwties otan to kanoume. Den pistebw na ginotane kati antistoixo an egrafe kaneis ena ar8ro gia to Mac h to Solaris. Eimaste an8rwpoi pou exoume megalh epafh me tous upologistes kai anagkastika h MS mas epireazei (8etika kai arnhtika), den ginetai na thn agnooume, auto einai strou8okamilismos! > Epishs, ta arthra sto magaz ekfrazoun thn gnwmh tou syggrafea tous, > opote > den prepei na kathgoreite to magaz gia tis idees tou enos. > Steilte apla proswpiko email. > Eyxaristw pou me diabasate > kai gia na mhn jexniomaste: kala mpania! > Kati akomh: Gia tous perisoterous (an oxi olous) apo emas pou asxoloumaste me to Linux, to Linux einai to meraki mas, to hobby mas. Otan loipon mas kanoun kritikh (eite apo "mesa" eite apo "eksw") mporei na enoxloumaste polu pio eukola giati mas kathgouroun kati pou agapame polu. Oi kritikes loipon (eidika mesw e-mail pou o allos den blepei thn ekfrash tou proswpou, ton tono ths fwnhs kai sto katw-katw mporei na mhn gnwrizei ton apostolea) kalo 8a htan na ginontai me prosektikes kai hpies ekfraseis. Oxi tipota allo, alla gia na mhn parekshgoumaste xwris logo kai na mporoume na sunergazomaste armonika gia kati pou oloi agapame. Kalo kalokairi kai apo emena, Panayotis Vryonis From bcostas at hol.gr Mon Aug 3 12:08:54 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:08:54 +0300 Subject: Kati pros newsletter References: <35C55ECE.F9B0C10D@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <35C57E26.3FD0@hol.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > Exei arxisei na moiazei san marketing tmima etaireias to pragma alla kai > ola afta xreiazontai...kai eksigo. To paron epese panw sthn epoxh poy moy 'rxontai kati skepseis gia to Hellug. Mia loipon apo aftes einai na koitaksoyme katw apo poies syn6hkes 6a mporoysame na ekdidoyme ena newsletter monoi mas. Entaksei mh varate, kserw oti exei kostos, alla olo kai kapoia gnwrimia 6a exoyme. Kati san to OpenLetter gia paradeigma, mikro se mege6os, dimhniaio 'h trimhniaio. Eksalloy mhn ksexante oti meta thn idrysh toy Hellug 6a idry6oyn kai alla lugs, se oles tis megales poleis. As poyme dhladh oti dhmioyrgoyme ena entypo poy antiprwsopevei ola ta lugs. Yparxei kai kati allo poy me vasanizei, kai mias kai den exw katalavei ti ginetai to rixnw. Eixame syzhthsei paliotera to 6ema toy kerdoskopikoy, kai eixame katalhksei oti to Hellug den einai kerdoskopikos organismos. Afto omws poy den exw katalavei einai telika 6a xrewnoyme gia tis opoiesdhpote yphresies prosferoyme? Giati allo na xrewneis kai allo na exeis balance mhden sto telos. Evripidi gia diafwthse me please :-) BTW, To marketing einai mia xara otan kai to proion einai mia xara. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Aug 3 13:02:32 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:02:32 +0300 Subject: Kati pros newsletter References: <35C55ECE.F9B0C10D@ametro.gr> <35C57E26.3FD0@hol.gr> Message-ID: <35C58AB8.629BF40A@ametro.gr> > paron epese panw sthn epoxh poy moy 'rxontai kati skepseis gia to > Hellug. Mia loipon apo aftes einai na koitaksoyme katw apo poies > syn6hkes 6a mporoysame na ekdidoyme ena newsletter monoi mas. Entaksei > mh varate, kserw oti exei kostos, alla olo kai kapoia gnwrimia 6a > exoyme. Kati san to OpenLetter gia paradeigma, mikro se mege6os, Peri Open, NT klp, exo enan kalo filo pou grafei se afta (den einai kai poloi kana 5ari atoma oloi tous). An thelete otan ginoume anthropoi (sillogos) tous leme kai gia ligo xoro kapou (eos kai adinato to vlepo gia neo Linux Newsletter diko tous). Diko mas ti na po ... den ta ksero afta ta pragmata, pantos akougontai belalidika. Tipografeia, yliko, dianomes, listes sindromiton, taxydromika, pliromes ... To ilektroniko mas ipokatastato (pes me p.x. Magaz) me lista email (spam) ?? > 6a xrewnoyme gia tis opoiesdhpote yphresies prosferoyme? Giati allo na > xrewneis kai allo na exeis balance mhden sto telos. Evripidi gia > diafwthse me please :-) ksero kai'go re paidia? ti mia akouo pos ginetai na kaneis kapoia douleia os mi kerdoskopikos sillogos kai na pareis kapoia lefta, arkei na min dianeimontai sta meli, alla epanependiontai sto sillogo, os eksoplismos klp. tin alli akouo pos an exeis esoda (oxi mavra giati an mavra tote kaneis den ta vlepei opote no problem, alla me block episima) kai ta diloneis, prepei na exeis AFM, na kaneis forol. dilosi kai tetoia, na midenizeis isologismous sto telos tis xronias ... Mallon gia antallagi proionton to vlepo, styl "tripse mas na se tripsoume". Clean-cut lisi kai "forologika athoa". Voithas ligo mia etaireia os HELLUG, stineis kana Linux, solve a prob, sou kanoun mia dorea ena palio PC. Vazei i forth px. ena server mas, tin efxaristoume kai tis vazoume ena link san to kefali mou. Zitaei kapoios mia voitheia apo to HELLUG, vriskei o sillogos ena paidi pou kserei Linux kai thelei na kanei kapoia douleia kai plironetai to paidi (an thelei na mas kanei kapoia dorea meta, diko tou thema). Dinei to plaisio ena disko sto HELLUG, tou stinoume ena Linux na paizei sti vitrina tou. (leo tora fantasies). Me seminaria (an kanoume) klp den ksero , i EEXI (einai sillogos?) ti kathestos exei? To kyrio provlima einai pos tha ginei na min dinoume lefta (se nea distribs, stands se ektheseis, giveaway CDs, blouzakia, hardware gia server, gia PCs epideikseon, to newsletter pou les). An eimaste sto na pairnoume tote eimaste theoi!!! ... na ginoume sillogos kai na ta psaksoume eksonixistika ola afta. > > BTW, To marketing einai mia xara otan kai to proion einai mia xara. Se tsakosa! Me galifies pas na kseglitoseis kai na min steileis tin marketistiki sinisfora sou costa-bcosta, eeee!!???? :-) From simos at teiath.gr Mon Aug 3 13:03:31 1998 From: simos at teiath.gr (Simos KSenitellis) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:03:31 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Kati pros newsletter In-Reply-To: <35C57E26.3FD0@hol.gr> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Costas wrote: > Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > > > Exei arxisei na moiazei san marketing tmima etaireias to pragma alla kai > > ola afta xreiazontai...kai eksigo. > > To paron epese panw sthn epoxh poy moy 'rxontai kati skepseis gia to > Hellug. Mia loipon apo aftes einai na koitaksoyme katw apo poies > syn6hkes 6a mporoysame na ekdidoyme ena newsletter monoi mas. Entaksei > mh varate, kserw oti exei kostos, alla olo kai kapoia gnwrimia 6a > exoyme. Kati san to OpenLetter gia paradeigma, mikro se mege6os, > dimhniaio 'h trimhniaio. Eksalloy mhn ksexante oti meta thn idrysh toy > Hellug 6a idry6oyn kai alla lugs, se oles tis megales poleis. As poyme > dhladh oti dhmioyrgoyme ena entypo poy antiprwsopevei ola ta lugs. H lysi tou entipoy einai akrivi ayti ti stigmi. H beltisti skeci einai na analavoun atoma poy gnvrizoyn to linux kai na ergastoun sta periodika tou xorou kai na grafoun arthra gia to Linux. Ta periodika tis pliroforikis den pernoun ta arthra apo agnvstous X gia na ta ekdosoun. O ypefthinos ekdosis mazeyei yliko apo arthrografous poy mporei na einai foitities i hobbystes, kai ama tou aresoun ta bazei stin yli. Gnvrizv protaseis apo periodika tou horou poy zitoun atoma pliroforikis na grafoun arthra san part-time douleia. Simos KSenitellis From bcostas at hol.gr Mon Aug 3 13:46:01 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:46:01 +0300 Subject: Kati pros newsletter References: <35C55ECE.F9B0C10D@ametro.gr> <35C57E26.3FD0@hol.gr> <35C58AB8.629BF40A@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <35C594E9.D2E@hol.gr> > > > > BTW, To marketing einai mia xara otan kai to proion einai mia xara. > Se tsakosa! Me galifies pas na kseglitoseis kai na min steileis tin > marketistiki sinisfora sou costa-bcosta, eeee!!???? :-) Mh moy milas gia marketing pls, giati to loyzomai sth mapa olh th mera. Apla epeidh otan polloi akoyn marketing allazoyn dromo (logw MS kyriws) lew, oti otan exeis kalo proion den vlaptei kanenan to marketing, p.x Mercedes. Alla pes moy ti eidoys syneisfora 6eleis kai an mporw na symvallw ;-) Ase poy oi gnwrimies poy exw egw sto xwro twn periodikwn kai toy marketing den katalavainoyn apo xares epomenws einai mallon api6ano na mas voh6hsoyn. Ekei leitoyrgei h logikh dwse moy na soy dwsw. Twra oson afora to 6ema toy kerdoskopikoy pistevw oti an den to kseka6arisoyme 6a exoyme zoria. Feripein, 6eloyme na vgaloyme ena distribution, 'h na valoyme ena periptero se mia ek6esh, 'h na kanoyme mia metafrash 'h xilia 2 alla pragmata. Ayta ta pragmata den nomizw oti 6a mporoyn na ginontai me th logikh ths allhloeksarthshs, na soy kanw mia xarh na moy kaneis th doyleia. Mporei vevaia na exw kai la6os. O logos poy to syzhtw einai oti merikoi apo th lista otan akoysan "kerdos" kitrinisan. Gia ayto lew mhpws ginetai esoda, xwris kerdos. 6a rwthsw kana dikhgoro, kai kapoion logisth kai epanerxomai. Filika, Costas Barakitis. From bcostas at hol.gr Mon Aug 3 13:48:20 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:48:20 +0300 Subject: Kati pros newsletter References: Message-ID: <35C59574.2A18@hol.gr> > H lysi tou entipoy einai akrivi ayti ti stigmi. > H beltisti skeci einai na analavoun atoma poy gnvrizoyn to linux kai na > ergastoun sta periodika tou xorou kai na grafoun arthra gia to Linux. Ta > periodika tis pliroforikis den pernoun ta arthra apo agnvstous X gia na ta > ekdosoun. H arxh exei hdh ginei xarh stis prospa6eies toy Panagiwth Vryonh sto RAM. Kai eidika sto RAM emena me xaropoiei idiaitera oti eriksan ta moytra toys kai mas afierwsan ena ar6ro. Makari na akoloy6hsoyn kai alla periodika, kai akoma kalytera apo "dika" mas paidia. From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Aug 3 17:18:35 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:18:35 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Entypo periodiko - newsletter Message-ID: As epembo kai ego, sto them atou newsletter. Epi tria xronia douleva se ekdoseis kai exo poly megali empeiria se otidipote xreiazetai gia na bgei ena periodiko, apo syntaxi ylis, mexri kai bibliodesia (ennoeitai me ola ta endiamesa stadia). To kostos, eksartatai apo ton arithmo ton antitypon, kai ton arithmo ton xrommaton tou periodikou. Sta xromata exoume 4 epiloges: Monoxromo, dixromo, trixromo kai tetraxromo (to teleytaio simainei plires xroma, einai i diadikasia ektyposis olwn twn egxrwmwn entypwn kathe eidous). Se ayti tin periptosi mporoume na ypologisoume xontrika oti an kostizei 10 drx. to monoxromo, tha kostizei 20 to dixromo, 30 to trixromo kai 40 to tetraxromo. To problima to opoio blepo ego, einai o arithmos antitypon. Kai gia na gino pio safis: Fantazomai oti afou eimaste mi kerdoskopikos syllogos, den mporoume na poulame to periodiko (den xero an ginetai me syndromes). Alla akoma kai na to poulame, milame gia maximum 500 antitypa (pou mou fainetai exairetika adynato kati tetoio). To kostos ana kommati tha einai apagoreytiko, giati to kostos tou xartiou gia na bgaleis pio polla antitypa einai midamino, alla to arxiko kostos paragogis (daktylografisi, selidopoiisi, filmografisi, ektyposi, bibliodesia, ta tria prota den epireazontai katholou apo to "tiraz", diladi tin posotita ton periodikon, ta dyo teleytaia epireazontai apo elaxista eos katholou) einai dysprosito. Mporo poly eykola na kano mia meleti kostous - xronou, afairontas bebaios apo to kostos tis ergatoores tou kathenos (dil. den prokeitai na plirosoume arthrografous, daktylografous, epimelites kai selidopoious, ayta tha ta kanoume monoi mas) an mas endiaferei sobara kati tetoio. Akribos logo gnorimion, isos mporo na petyxo kai mia kali timi. Eimai en anamoni. An doume kinisi, kanoume kai tin meleti. ----------------------- Michalis Kabrianis Texniko Tmima FORTHnet mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------- From kokni at eexi.gr Thu Aug 6 20:19:27 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:19:27 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: PRWSORINO D.S. (RFC) Message-ID: Autes tis meres tou kauswna pragmatopoiw kapoies epafes me atoma tou xwrou me skopo thn prwo8hsh tou linux kai tou syllogou. Parallhla se prwsopikes epikoinwnies me alla melh tou HELLUG arxizoume na diamwrfonoume kapoies idees gia tis arxikes drasthriothtes tou syllogou. Amfoteres oi prospa8eies mou (kai ypopsiazomai kai paromoies prospa8eies allwn) peftoun se ena "problhma": thn anypar3ia mias kentrikhs dioikhshs pou 8a syntonisei grhgora kai apotelesmatika tis energeies twn melwn kai fysika 8a arxisei na ektelei apofaseis pou arxizoun na xronizoun (h na menoun metewres logw apousias dioikhshs). Lambanontas yp'opsin oti symfwna me ta osa exw ma8ei apo ton E.Papakwsta h epishmh anagnwrish apo to kratos 8a ka8ysterhsei shmantika (isws kai 2 mhnes) den blepw to logo gia ton opoio 8a prepei na "synagwnistoume" to dhmosio sthn adraneia kai thn grafeiokrateia tou. Proteinw loipon thn die3agwgh, epitelous, eklogwn me skopo thn anadei3h prwsorinou Dioikhtikou Symbouliou me 8hteia mexri thn epishmh angnwrish kai thn die3agwgh taktikwn eklogwn. To prwsorino D.S. nomizw oti 8a boh8isei shmantika sthn prow8hsh kapoiwn 8ematwn pou kata to parel8on syzhth8kan sthn lista (h 8a syzhth8oun lian syntomws) alla gia to opoia den sta8ike dunaton na apofasioume oxi logw diafwniwn alla logw anypar3ias enos swmatos pou 8a analambane ektelestiko kai syntonistiko rolo. Perimenw ta sxolia sas sthn protash auth kai se periptwsh symfwnias tous pi8anous tropous die3agwghs ths, se symfwnia bebaia me to katastatiko mas. Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr P.S. O ypografwn den diekdikei thn do3a (protimw ta xrhmata :-) ), dhladh den epi8ymei thn anadei3h tou se karoklokentauro, kai synepws parakalw na mhn 8ewrh8ei h protash mou emmesh auto-probolh, auto-ypopshfiothta kai den 3erw ti allo. Euxaristw. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Aug 6 17:47:43 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 17:47:43 +0300 Subject: PRWSORINO D.S. (RFC) References: Message-ID: <35C9C20F.41227473@ametro.gr> aman .... xontrainei to pragma! genika kai ego pistevo pos nai kalo tha itan na kseroume ti kanei poios kai giati, kai na iparxei mia dinatotita analipsis mikron efthinon apo tous "eklegmenous" giati akoma kai gia pragmata opos na graftei ena xarti gia ena periodiko i na milisei kapoios me enan provider, den iparxei armodios kai pairnei poli xrono, i oi epafes einai oles anepisimes. Ara as katevoume se ekloges. ---------------------------- Erotisi 1: afto pou leei to katastatiko gia prosorini 5ada kai anaferei 5 apo emas mas kaliptei, na teleionoume gia mexri Septemvri? Erotisi 2: Tin apefxomai aftin alla ...an oxi stin erotisi 1, iparxei kapoios pou thelei na einai sto prosorino afto sxima os ipopsifios? Stelnei email kai leei nai thelo na eimai ipopsifios. Peri diadikasias boroume na steiloume (gia proti kai teleftaia fora) email stin lista hellug me tis protimiseis mas p.x. 1. Mitsos 2. Kitsos 3. Giannis 4. Kostas 5. Talikriadis kai na ginei tilefoniki epalithefsi (to ksero = xazo alla min paidevomaste parapano me cgi-scripts passwords, PGPs klp). Apo ekei kai pera to katastatiko leei pos oi 5 me megaliterous psifous, metaksi tous apofasizoun me nea psifoforia gia tis thesis. Ksanaleo, bas kai mas kanei i prosorini dioiikisi apo tin 5ada pou exei graftei sta xartia tou katastatikou os ipefthini gia tin diekpaireosi tis diadikasias???? tha mas sosei apo poli kopo kai tha dosei kai lysi se afto pou leei o Kokras. Geia xara! From kokni at eexi.gr Fri Jul 31 10:25:58 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:25:58 +0300 Subject: Magaz #6 Message-ID: <199808061533.PAA18036@out1.ibm.net> ---------- > From: Costas > To: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr > Subject: Re: Magaz #6 > Date: ?????????, 31 ??????? 1998 12:16 ?? > > Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > > Ayta ola einai katanohta. To oti th ftiaxnete gia to kefi sas den moy leei tipota. Kai h sygkekrimenh lista gia to kefi toy Ioannoy ginetai. Egw diafwnw me to gegonos oti ka6este kai asxoleiste me thn MS, ths dinete kai aksia apo panw. Mono poy ksexnate oti to magaz "vgainei" > sto linux.gr kai oxi sto tria-poylakia-ka6ontai/terastios/linux. O noon noeito. Symfwnw apolyta mazi sou oti oi anafores sth Microsoft "prepei" na stamathoun opoio xarakthra kai ean exoun (sobares, xioumoristikes klp). To giati "prepei" na stamathsoun einai mia ypo8esh ths opoias oles oi proektaseis kapoia stigmh 8a "eprepe" na ginoun antikeimeno syzhthshs sto hellug. 8a prose3es omws oti ebala to prepei se eisagwgika. Auto paei na pei oti den mporeis na ypoxrewseis kanena kai fysika oso kai ean nomizeis kai esy kai egw kai opoiosdhpote oti exei thn gamath gnwmh posws endiaferetai o diplanos. To magaz (alla kai genika to linux.gr) mporei na exei polla kaka (pane na ta ftia3eis ama eisai toso kalos). Exei omws kai polla, perissotera kala (auta pou ftia3ane kapoioi alloi, dystyxws den eixa thn timh na symmetexw). Se teleytaia analysh to magaz einai "periodiko", grafei o ka8enas oti goustarei kai se kammia periptwsh h apopsh toy syntakth den einai h epishmh apopsh tou linux.gr, tou hellug, twn enoplwn dynamewn, thw pyrosbestikhs kai twn loipwn swmatwn asfaleias ... Synepws, me liga logia to pio sofo pragma sto kosmo na les, ama arxizeis ta "3 poulakia ka8ontan" kai tous "terastious" auto pou ypo K.S. 8a prepei na perimeneis einai: "pare 3 kai ante na deis an erxomai..". O noon noeito, etsi ? Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr P.S. Oute 3erw ton kabrianh (mono fatsikws, sto perifhmo floral) oute exw nomimo symferon. Petagomai giati mou th spaei na blepw kapoious na kritikaroun to sympan. Ama den goustareis to ar8ro, katse kai grapse antilogo gia to epomeno teuxos. Emena den mou arese alla den exw xrono na grapsw kai synepws skaw. Ta alla einai trixes. P.S.2 Twra pou t 8ymi8ika, ekeinou pou h8ele na ginei melos tou Hellug kai sta "prosonta" elege oti menei konta sto floral, tou eipe kanenas oti den exoume metoxes sto magazi ? From mkabrian at acropolis.net Fri Aug 7 01:03:59 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:03:59 -0000 (GMT) Subject: PRWSORINO D.S. (RFC) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 06-Aug-98 Kokras Nikolaos wrote: > Lambanontas yp'opsin oti symfwna me ta osa exw ma8ei apo ton E.Papakwsta h > epishmh anagnwrish apo to kratos 8a ka8ysterhsei shmantika (isws kai 2 > mhnes) den blepw to logo gia ton opoio 8a prepei na "synagwnistoume" to > dhmosio sthn adraneia kai thn grafeiokrateia tou. Akribws h logiki mou. Mprabo Niko symfono apolyta. As proxorisoume se otidipote diadikasies protathoun gia ena prosorino DS mexri na "nomimopoiithei" to hellug Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From kokni at eexi.gr Fri Aug 7 04:30:27 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:30:27 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: PRWSORINO D.S. (RFC) In-Reply-To: <35C9C20F.41227473@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Erotisi 1: afto pou leei to katastatiko gia prosorini 5ada kai anaferei > 5 apo emas mas kaliptei, na teleionoume gia mexri Septemvri? To karastatiko den anaferei 5ada onomastika > > Erotisi 2: Tin apefxomai aftin alla ...an oxi stin erotisi 1, Pragmati oxi sthn erwthsh noumero 1, giati auto pou 8etw pros syzhthsh einai h pragmatopoihsh pragmatikwn eklogwn kai oxi thn apodoxh mias "diorismenhs" omadas. Antista8ika ston peirasmo kai den koita3a poioi einai autoi - kammia momfh enantion tous, alla giati den arxizoume ta dhmokratika mas. Outws h allws to prwsorino D.S. 8a klh8ei na parei apofaseis. Kalon 8a htan na einai eklegmeno. An symfwnhsoun ta 20tosa melh tou HELLUG sthn pragmatopoihsh eklogwn gia prwsorinh dioikhsh, tote _meta_ mpainoume stis leptomereies ths diadikasias. Den 3erw an einai yperbolikh h apaithsh auth, alla 8a perimena na akousw stis epomenes 1-2 meres thn gnwmh olwn twn melwn tou HELLUG (opws auta orizontai sto URL http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/idrisi.html kai pou ypo8etw oti sympiptoun me ta onomata pou katate8ikan ston symbolaiografo). Peite toulaxiston oti diafwneite, alla epitelous as drasthripoih8oume, akoma kai an einai na diafwnhsoume :-) Nikos Kokras From kokni at eexi.gr Fri Aug 7 04:45:35 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:45:35 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Magaz #6 (LA8OS) In-Reply-To: <199808061533.PAA18036@out1.ibm.net> Message-ID: Se periptwsh pou ena e-mail me apostolea emena (kokni at eexi.gr), hmeromhnia 31/7 kai subj: "Re: Magaz #6" eftase shmera (6/8), parakalw na to agnohsete. Einai elafrws (oso pataei o elefantas) eteroxronismeno kai se kammia periptwsh den 8elw na 3anarxisw ena flame pou e3antlh8ike. Hremise Costa kai mhn apantas :-). Gia logous pou agnow ka8ysterhse na ftasei (!?) otan eprepe. Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr P.S. sygkentrw8eite anti8eta sto e-mail mou gia tis ekloges :-) From roryt at hol.gr Fri Aug 7 00:40:55 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:40:55 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: PRWSORINO D.S. (RFC) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 06-Aug-98 Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > On 06-Aug-98 Kokras Nikolaos wrote: >> Lambanontas yp'opsin oti symfwna me ta osa exw ma8ei apo ton E.Papakwsta h >> epishmh anagnwrish apo to kratos 8a ka8ysterhsei shmantika (isws kai 2 >> mhnes) den blepw to logo gia ton opoio 8a prepei na "synagwnistoume" to >> dhmosio sthn adraneia kai thn grafeiokrateia tou. > > Akribws h logiki mou. Mprabo Niko symfono apolyta. As proxorisoume se > otidipote > diadikasies protathoun gia ena prosorino DS mexri na "nomimopoiithei" to > hellug Symfono kai egw sthn genikh idea. Alla na thesw merika "alla". Einai Aygoustos, polys kosmos tha einai diakopes. Ti ginetai me ayto ? Kai ti ginetai an then brethoun 5 atoma gia ypopsifioi ? (h eparkhs arithmos psifoforwn ?) Mhpos o Eyripidis exei kapoio dikio pou milaei gia ta yparxonta 5 (thimame to xarti toys anefere onomastika - h kanw lathos ? ) mexri Septembrh ? I.Ioannou From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Fri Aug 7 02:18:48 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:18:48 +0300 ( ) Subject: PRWSORINO D.S. (RFC) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, I.Ioannou wrote: > > Akribws h logiki mou. Mprabo Niko symfono apolyta. As proxorisoume se > > otidipote > > diadikasies protathoun gia ena prosorino DS mexri na "nomimopoiithei" to > > hellug > > Symfono kai egw sthn genikh idea. Kai emena mou fainetai kalh idea. Omws poia tha einai h armodiothta aytoy toy DS? Pistevw oti den mporei (kai den tha prepei) na prospathisei na dioikhsei gia ayto to xroniko diasthma, mias kai den tha einai eklegmeno. Ayto omws pou mporei kai prepei na kanei opwsdhpote einai na erthei se epafh me olous osous exoun kanei kati gia thn proothisi tou linux sthn Ellada (ypothetw oti me diabazoun oloi aytoi), kai na parei thn sygkatathesh toys oti h douleia pou hdh exei ginei 'h ginetai tha einai sthn diathesh kai ton elegxo tou eklegmenou DS. Ayto tha einai mia kalh arxh gia ena proswrino DS, dhladh na mathei kala poia einai h katastash kai na paradwsei mia anafora. > Alla na thesw merika "alla". Einai Aygoustos, polys kosmos tha einai diakopes. > Ti ginetai me ayto ? Kai ti ginetai an then brethoun 5 atoma gia ypopsifioi ? > (h eparkhs arithmos psifoforwn ?) > Mhpos o Eyripidis exei kapoio dikio pou milaei gia ta yparxonta 5 (thimame > to xarti toys anefere onomastika - h kanw lathos ? ) mexri Septembrh ? Logw kalokairiou, opoiadhpote psifoforia mporei na mataiothei ek twn ysterwn apo aytous pou tha gyrisoun diakopes. Anejarthta apo to ean emeis endiaferomaste gia to kalytero, kalytero einai na mhn prokaloume. Proteinw thn basikh 5ada kai ean kapoios den mporei/thelei, count me in. Epishs, proteinw tis ekseis hmeromhnies: 1-4 Oktwbriou, ekthesh INFOSYSTEM 98. 1h panellhnia synanthsh Linuxadwn sthn Thessaloniki, agwnizomai mhpws exoume thesi se periptero. Tha sas pw nea. xx Oktwbriou: anagnwrish syllogoy 28 Oktwbriou, ekloges DS tou HELLUG, me thn eykairia ths ethnikhs mas eorths. YG: Tha ithela ean sas einai eykolo, oi ekloges na ginoun meta tis 24-8-98, giati tha leipw ena mhna sthn kentrikh Eyrwph: Sthn arxh tha parousiasw ena paper sthn Rwmh, PLUTO meeting 98, me thema Hellenic Linux (report of work, exei mesa polla apo ta onomata sas!), kai mallon allo ena me thema Europeanization & Linux. Meta tha paw Slovenia, Austria, Germania, Ollandia, Belgio, Gallia, Elbetia, Italia, synantontas sthn diadromh proswpikous gnwstous mou kai atoma pou asxolountai me to Linux genika. Elpizw na mhs kourasa, kalo brady ('h jhmerwma) +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Aug 7 09:06:00 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:06:00 +0300 Subject: PRWSORINO D.S. (RFC) References: Message-ID: <35CA9948.4FEA6DAA@ametro.gr> > Ti ginetai me ayto ? Kai ti ginetai an then brethoun 5 atoma gia ypopsifioi ? > (h eparkhs arithmos psifoforwn ?) > Mhpos o Eyripidis exei kapoio dikio pou milaei gia ta yparxonta 5 (thimame > to xarti toys anefere onomastika - h kanw lathos ? ) mexri Septembrh ? > Geia mas... nai milame gia to 1 apo ta 2 xartia tou syllogou. to ena exei ta 23 atoma idiritika stelexi kai to allo exei 5 atoma, prosorini dioikisi mexti tin imerominia idrisis... Den ta thimamai omos, itan typiko to thema kai itan oi prosorinoi ekprosopoi mas gia tin idrisi. Ara sigoura eimoun ego, i Voula, o Maistrelis mallon, den thimamai an itan o Soldatos i o Kabrianis i o Kremmidas. Anyway ... fysika kai i lysi eklogon einai i sostoteri, alla opos to vlepo ego, realistika milontas, mexri na vroume ipopsifious, na dilothoun, na psifistoun, na kanoun tin esoteriki tous psifoforia tha exoume bei kai isos vgei apo Septemvri. Meta tin idrisi etsi kai alloios tha ginoun ekloges. To diastima metaksi prosorinis dioikisis kai monimis tha einai elaxisto kai den ksero an aksizei to kalokairino treximo. Afiste pou polloi leipoume (Maistrelis teli Avgoustou epistrefei, ego kai i Voula fevfoume paraskevi, o Photis leei tha leipei poios kserei poios allos ...) Ego tha proteina na doume poioi einai oi 5 tou xartiou, by default na einai to prosorino D.S., na kanoun grigora to esoteriko tous kseskartarisma. Apo kei kai pera, pio xrisimo vrisko oristei ipefthinos peri thematos Server Hosting, iperfthinos gia epafes me ekso kosmo, ipefthinos gia syllogi melon (<--- afto simantiko na arxisei syntoma kai min akouo gia meta ton Oktomvri) kai tetoious rolous pou omos den tha leiksoun se 1 mina, alla tha synexisoun na exoun tin efthini (den einai theseis DS) kai meta tis alithines ekloges, kathoti, ta diadikastika tha ginoun se kana dio mines etsi kai alloios, ta alla borei kai pote an den to trexoume emeis. Apo tin alli, gia na min fainomai strifnos, kai ekloges mia xara akougetai, an eimaste edo kai exoume ipopsifious gia D.S. 1 mina. Evripidis From bcostas at hol.gr Fri Aug 7 11:44:47 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:44:47 +0300 Subject: Magaz #6 References: <199808061533.PAA18036@out1.ibm.net> Message-ID: <35CABE7F.68EC@hol.gr> Nik. Kokras wrote: > > ---------- > > From: Costas > > To: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr > > Subject: Re: Magaz #6 > > Date: ?????????, 31 ??????? 1998 12:16 ?? > > > > Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > > > > Ayta ola einai katanohta. To oti th ftiaxnete gia to kefi sas den moy > leei tipota. Kai h sygkekrimenh lista gia to kefi toy Ioannoy ginetai. Egw > diafwnw me to gegonos oti ka6este kai asxoleiste me thn MS, ths dinete kai > aksia apo panw. Mono poy ksexnate oti to magaz "vgainei" > > sto linux.gr kai oxi sto tria-poylakia-ka6ontai/terastios/linux. O noon > noeito. > > Symfwnw apolyta mazi sou oti oi anafores sth Microsoft "prepei" na > stamathoun opoio xarakthra kai ean exoun (sobares, xioumoristikes klp). To > giati "prepei" na stamathsoun einai mia ypo8esh ths opoias oles oi > proektaseis kapoia stigmh 8a "eprepe" na ginoun antikeimeno syzhthshs sto > hellug. > 8a prose3es omws oti ebala to prepei se eisagwgika. Auto paei na pei oti > den mporeis na ypoxrewseis kanena kai fysika oso kai ean nomizeis kai esy > kai egw kai opoiosdhpote oti exei thn gamath gnwmh posws endiaferetai o > diplanos. > To magaz (alla kai genika to linux.gr) mporei na exei polla kaka (pane na > ta ftia3eis ama eisai toso kalos). Exei omws kai polla, perissotera kala > (auta pou ftia3ane kapoioi alloi, dystyxws den eixa thn timh na symmetexw). > > Se teleytaia analysh to magaz einai "periodiko", grafei o ka8enas oti > goustarei kai se kammia periptwsh h apopsh toy syntakth den einai h epishmh > apopsh tou linux.gr, tou hellug, twn enoplwn dynamewn, thw pyrosbestikhs > kai twn loipwn swmatwn asfaleias ... > Synepws, me liga logia to pio sofo pragma sto kosmo na les, ama arxizeis ta > "3 poulakia ka8ontan" kai tous "terastious" auto pou ypo K.S. 8a prepei na > perimeneis einai: "pare 3 kai ante na deis an erxomai..". O noon noeito, > etsi ? > > Nikos Kokras > kokni at eexi.gr > > P.S. Oute 3erw ton kabrianh (mono fatsikws, sto perifhmo floral) oute exw > nomimo symferon. Petagomai giati mou th spaei na blepw kapoious na > kritikaroun to sympan. Ama den goustareis to ar8ro, katse kai grapse > antilogo gia to epomeno teuxos. Emena den mou arese alla den exw xrono na > grapsw kai synepws skaw. Ta alla einai trixes. > P.S.2 Twra pou t 8ymi8ika, ekeinou pou h8ele na ginei melos tou Hellug kai > sta "prosonta" elege oti menei konta sto floral, tou eipe kanenas oti den > exoume metoxes sto magazi ? Egw pisteva oti ayto to thread exei teleiwsei!!! Opws kai na'xei pantws egw den eipa se kanenan pws na kanei th doyleia toy. Mporei to yfos moy na mhn arese kai dexthka to la6os moy alla oxi oti eipa ston Mixalh kai ston opoiondhpote ti na grafei sto periodiko toy!!! Anyway, o ka6enas grafei oti goystarei opoy goystarei, alla kai egw exw anafaireto dikaiwma na ekfrazw tis antirhseis moy (nai se poio hremo yfos). Oxi den eimai o kserolas toy sympantos!!! Filika, Costas Barakitis. From bcostas at hol.gr Fri Aug 7 12:05:02 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:05:02 +0300 Subject: PRWSORINO D.S. (RFC) References: Message-ID: <35CAC33E.2036@hol.gr> > Den 3erw an einai yperbolikh h apaithsh auth, alla 8a perimena na akousw > stis epomenes 1-2 meres thn gnwmh olwn twn melwn tou HELLUG > (opws auta orizontai sto URL http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/idrisi.html > kai pou ypo8etw oti sympiptoun me ta onomata pou katate8ikan ston > symbolaiografo). Peite toulaxiston oti diafwneite, alla epitelous as > drasthripoih8oume, akoma kai an einai na diafwnhsoume :-) Egw den exw kamia antirhsh. Oyte me apasxolei to 6ema toy eklegmenoy 'h oxi gia ton aploystato logo oti toso kairo osoi asxoloyntai me to Linux kai to prow6oyn kanenas toys den htan eklegmenos apo ton opoiondhpote. Den exoyme na xwrisoyme kati opote giati na mplekoyme apo twra me typikoyres? Costas Barakitis From dbouras at hol.gr Fri Aug 7 17:11:34 1998 From: dbouras at hol.gr (Dimitrios P. Bouras) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:11:34 +0300 Subject: PRWSORINO D.S. (RFC) References: Message-ID: <35CB0B16.D0CA3F31@hol.gr> I.Ioannou wrote: > > Mhpos o Eyripidis exei kapoio dikio pou milaei gia ta yparxonta 5 (thimame > to xarti toys anefere onomastika - h kanw lathos ? ) mexri Septembrh ? Na prosypograpsw kai egw sto parapanw - to thread to eida shmera ka0ws diabasa/esteila allhlografia meta apo mia ebdomada (kai bale) apoxhs apo plhktrologio. Kante kana mpanio kai ta leme apo 1/9 :) Dhmhtrhs From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Tue Aug 11 18:23:33 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:23:33 GMT Subject: E-mail melwn Message-ID: <199808111523.PAA16566@mk.aua.gr> Mia pou blepo mia adraneia, as rixo mia idea gia na ksekiniso ena psiloflame. Otan me to kalo idrythei to Hellug kai parei nomiki ypostasi, proteino na "kataskeyasei" ena mixanima, apo dorees ton melon i apo agores an xreiastei, to opoio na exei tis web selides tou Hellug (tha yparxoun tetoies, etsi?) kai mail accounts. Ta mail mporei na einai apli ipiresia forward i mporei na einai kai kanonika pop i smtp accounts. Ayto to mixanima prepei na mpei se ena diktyo (gia na exei grammi profanos) kai epeidi to hellug den exei kala - kala grafeia (poly perissotero lefta gia misthomenes grammes klp) proteino na ginoun epafes me megalous ISPs gia to poios einai (an einai kanenas) diatetheimenos na mas kanei hosting. Profanos ypo to onoma linux.gr i hellug.gr (ayto pragmatika einai thema psifoforias). Perimeno idees, kriseis, diorthoseis, protaseis klp klp klp. Michalis Kabrianis From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Tue Aug 11 18:26:37 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:26:37 GMT Subject: E-mail melwn Message-ID: <199808111526.PAA16575@mk.aua.gr> Kai profanos ennoousa pop i IMAP accounts. Sorry. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Aug 12 10:08:29 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:29 +0300 Subject: HOSTING + LINUX BOX References: <199808111523.PAA16566@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <35D13F6D.9127F204@ametro.gr> [kovo ravo] >...- kala grafeia (poly perissotero lefta gia misthomenes grammes klp) proteino na ginoun epafes me megalous ISPs gia to poios einai (an einai kanenas) diatetheimenos na mas kanei hosting. Nai. Tha milisoume me providers. Ego to mono pou boro (mallon) na sas vro einai stin Enosi (EEXI) kai gia afto tha exo apantisi apo avrio (thetiki i arnitiki). O Kabrianis kati borei na kanei me to magazi pou doulevei? (kai thanai kai ekei dipla na kanei stoixeiodi admin pragmata!) Allos? Peri tou montarismatos enos PC. To leme private poli kairo. Opote kairos na rotisoume kai edo ... Poios diatithetai na dosei kana yliko? Ego as poume to mono pou exo einai diskos IDE 2GB, ena kouti medium size, karta diktiou 3com 10/100. Kati elege o Kokras peri Motherboard i CPU? Kaneis gia mnimes? karta othonis? allous diskous? CD? floppy? Eimaste arketoi gia na boresoume nomizo na montaroume ena PC xoris na plirosoume gia agora. Ante stin xeiroteri periptosi na paroume mnimi ... As apantisete me to ti exete SIGOURA OMOS diathesimo, na to montaroume tsaka - tsaka, parallila na mathoume poioi boroun na mas host, oste na einai ola etoima, otan ftasei i ora. Evripidis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Aug 12 12:19:18 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:19:18 +0300 Subject: Peri EEEXI Message-ID: <35D15E16.4132AEB@ametro.gr> Eixa pei pos perimena mia apantisi peri EEXI. Loipon: O Takis o Samanis ,o EEEXI admin, dexetai na mas kanei host, an to sintiroume emeis. Ena thema einai pos tha protimouse na bei prin tis 15 Septemvi giati meta tha leipei. O epomenos admin pantos an exei bei idi to Box tha to kratisei sigoura ekei giati kai aftos einai linux-friendly. Apo Forth ti exoume? Evripidis From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Aug 17 13:34:25 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:34:25 -0000 (GMT) Subject: International StarOffice Message-ID: Loipon, skeftomai na steilo to parakato mail stin Stardivision (pou bgazei to StarOffice) gia tin eperxomeni ekdosi 5.0 Elpizo oti mia tetoia kinisi tha mas edine to dikaioma na "pazarepsoume" to na baloume to StarOffice stin eperxomeni Elliniki distribution. Perimeno idees, mails thetika kai arnitika, kai (sas iketevo) diorthoseis sta agglika mou. Gentlemen, As I've read in your website (www.stardivision.com), StarOffice 5.0 will be available for 8 languages by the date of release, and for 24 languages by the end of 1999. I would like to know if Greek (aka Hellenic) is one of these. If Greek support is not planned, then maybe HELLUG (Hellenic Linux Users Group) might be interested in translating StarOffice 5.0 for Linux in Greek. Hellug is not yet an official Linux User Group (but it will be by the end of October 1998). For the time being it has 23 members (the founders), and we expect that number to approach 100 by the end of the year. Linux is gaining field in Greece, and StarOffice is gaining field among Greek Linux users, and I think that a localised version of StarOffice 5.0 would be of interest to both Hellug and you. Hellug would do that for free, as long as it affects only the Linux version. If the localization procedure is OS independent, Hellug would greatly appreciate a donation. As Hellug is not official and doesn't have a board yet, I technically speak for myself and only. Please cc your answer to hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr ---------------------- Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------- From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Mon Aug 17 14:16:43 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:16:43 +0300 ( ) Subject: International StarOffice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kalh idea. On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > myself and only. Please cc your answer to hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr Diekrinhse oti einai mailing list tou HELLUG. Allo na milas se ena atomo kai allo se mia mailing list! MTE (BTW), molis gyrrisa apo thn Zakintho, opoy irtha se epafh me ton syllogo pou asxoleitai me thn caretta-caretta. Ayto pou me entypwsiase einai oti aytos pou asxoleitai me tis baseis dedomenvn toy syllogou eixe hdh doimasei to RedHat 4.2, xwris omws theamatikh epityxia. To Linux exei arxisei na proseggizei to swsto kosmo me megalous rithmous. Epishs, exw thn entypwsh oti to Linux prepei na proseggisei toys syllogous ethelontwn pasis fysews, mias kai aytoi den einai kollhmenoi me thn ennoia toy xrhmatos kai toy kefalaiou. Blepoun to Linux me idiaiterh sympathia kai ypomonh, anejarthta apo to apotelesma pou petyxainoun. geia xara +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | 5th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From futurekids at fkamaliada.gr Mon Aug 17 21:06:45 1998 From: futurekids at fkamaliada.gr (FUTUREKIDS Amaliada) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:06:45 +0300 Subject: International StarOffice References: Message-ID: <35D87135.CF6FEC02@fkamaliada.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Loipon, skeftomai na steilo to parakato mail stin Stardivision (pou bgazei to > StarOffice) gia tin eperxomeni ekdosi 5.0 > Elpizo oti mia tetoia kinisi tha mas edine to dikaioma na "pazarepsoume" to na > baloume to StarOffice stin eperxomeni Elliniki distribution. > Perimeno idees, mails thetika kai arnitika, kai (sas iketevo) diorthoseis sta > agglika mou. Poly kalh idea, alla re paidi moy den einai anagkh na toys peis oti eimaste 3 ki o koykos... :-) Pes toys oti oi Linux users einai xiliades sthn Ellada :-) Xrst. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Aug 18 09:16:21 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:16:21 +0300 Subject: Allos enas ipopsifios Message-ID: <35D91C35.BD5A52B6@ametro.gr> Kano forward allon enan ipopsifio. Den tou exo apantisei ego, mia pou eixame pei pos apantaei o Kabrianis se afta. Pantos exo na po ta eksis: Boroume na kanoume kati me ta paidia pou theloun na graftoun? Kana dio apo aftous pou arxika steilane, kai einai gnostoi, exoun skiloapogoiteftei na perimenoun. Den xreiazetai na iparxei o sillogos "nomima" gia na ginei mia "atipi" eggrafi. Arkei na tous to eksigisoume opos to eksigisame kai metaksi mas kai dosame kai emeis ta lefta mas klp. Anyway, an den iparxei antilogos sto parapano tha proteina na vro (vroume) merikous apo aftous na tous do (doume) kiolas, tora pou einai zesto to pragma. Me liga logia Mixali, otan tou apantiseis ektos apo ta ipoloipa, rota pos kai pote borei na ton sinantisei kapoios. ---Panos Le HalaChuck wrote: > > Θέλω να γραφτώ μέλος του HELLUG. Σύντομως θα πάρω και εγώ το Linux διοτι > αυτά τα 95/98 μου την έχουν δώσει ...σε μπλέ οθονη... > > νευρα... > > Πέιτε μου τι χρειάζεται... > From voulariba at rocketmail.com Tue Aug 18 09:14:52 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: HELLUG_μέλος Message-ID: <19980818061452.172.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr ---Panos Le HalaChuck wrote: > > Θέλω να γραφτώ μέλος του HELLUG. Σύντομως θα πάρω και εγώ το Linux διοτι > αυτά τα 95/98 μου την έχουν δώσει ...σε μπλέ οθονη... > > νευρα... > > Πέιτε μου τι χρειάζεται... Oxi polla pragmata. Kaname forward to mail sou ston mkabrian at acropolis.net giati kathe sillogos ofeilei na exei kai dimosiosxesiti kai tha se katatopisei aftos. Genika exei kapoia mikri etisia sindromi, gia na vgoun ta dikastika eksoda nomimopoiisis tou silogou, o server pou tha exoume se provider, mixanima gia demo se ekthesis, blouzakia, piguinoi, fylladia, distributions,otidipote xreiastei. Afto einai kana 2.000 eggrafi kai kana 3.000 etisia sindromi (po re fraga!!!). Emeis oi atixoi oi protoi apofasisame kai dosame 10.000 gia to hellug re gamoto. Leptomereies apo ton kabriani. Kai an eisai diathesimos gia sinantisi pes tou pou meneis, tilefono klp na se petyxoume gia kafe kai ta leme kai apo konta. Evripidis Voula _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Tue Aug 18 15:13:37 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:13:37 GMT Subject: StarOffice 5.0 again Message-ID: <199808181213.MAA19730@mk.aua.gr> Meta apo mia prosektiki matia sto site tis Stardivision (to germaniko site. Mporei na mou pire kati xronia alla katafera na bgalo kapoia psiloakri :-)) eida oti exoun kai agglikes selides (!!!) stis opoies anaferoun oti tha bgaloun elliniki ekdosi to 2o trimino tou 99. Nomizo oti axizei ton kopo na tous milisoume gia proto trimino tou 98. To thema einai allou. Yparxei diathesi kai yparxoun metafrastes pou na mporoun na to analaboun? Michalis Kabrianis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Aug 18 13:14:37 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:14:37 +0300 Subject: StarOffice 5.0 again References: <199808181213.MAA19730@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <35D9540D.91775B7@ametro.gr> > eida oti exoun kai agglikes selides (!!!) stis opoies anaferoun oti tha bgaloun elliniki ekdosi to 2o trimino tou 99. Nomizo oti axizei ton kopo na tous milisoume gia proto trimino tou 98. To thema einai allou. Yparxei diathesi kai yparxoun metafrastes pou na mporoun na to analaboun? > NAI, anepifikakta! [Milao gia ton eafto mou, isos kai gia kana-dio atoma akoma] Den diatithemai me tipota na kano p.x. epafes, organosi douleias klp mazi me tous Starofficades. Gia metafrasi kai mono (apo agglika fantazomai) tou styl "kapoios apo to hellug mou dinei kapoia arxeia kai mou leei se ti morfi na ta metafraso, mesa se kapoio xroniko diastima minimum 2-3 evdomadon" = OK. An kai den eida kai megali kinisi sto howto list me metafraseis. Isos to thema den poliendiefere, kai me to StarOffice na kse-adranopoiithoume. Pantos afto pou legame einai pos i epitixia einai na drastiriopiountai (alla ousiastika oxi mono grafontas mail) kai na prosferoun oloena kai perissotera diaforetika atoma. Opote kai kaneis allos? Evripidis From kokni at eexi.gr Tue Aug 18 19:16:39 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:16:39 +0300 Subject: Mhxanaki gia ton HELLUG (?) Message-ID: <35D9A8E7.65E2546@eexi.gr> 3exasa na apanthsw se ena mail tou E.P. gia to mhxanaki pou aisiodo3oume na sthsoume. Sto mail auto anafer8ike to onomataki mou kai oti 8a edina ena motherboard kai mia CPU. Logw mia m%$^@%s sthn anaba8mish mou telika kratisa thn motherboard (ena Asus board den to afhnei kaneis eukola). Alla SIGOURA mporw na dwsw enan Cyrix6x86L-PR166+ (66Mhz Bus, 3.3/2.9V) kai 64MB EDO ram (4x16Mb 72pins) Autos pou 8a sthsei to mhxanhma as epikoinwnhsei mazi mou me proswpiko mail gia thn paradosh. Auta apo emena gia to sygkekrimeno 8ema. Nikos Kokras From mkab at forthnet.gr Wed Aug 19 17:28:14 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:28:14 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Mixanima gia Hellug Message-ID: Loipon, exoume: kouti Evripiidis 2GB IDE Evripidis 64MB (4X16) Kokras 166+ Cyrix Kokras NE2000 Kabrianis Motherboard Kabrianis Keyb ? Floppy Kabrianis (me epifylaxi na do an to exo akoma) Mouse Kabrianis CD-ROM ? second. HDD ? VGA Card Kabrianis (me epifylaxi na do an tin exo akoma) VGA B/W monitor Kabrianis 133+ Cyrix Kabrianis 32MB (4X8) Kabrianis Opos blepete symplironoume (ligo -poly kai me boitheia kai apo allous) toulaxiston ena mixanima, me dynatotita kai gia deytero. Perimenoume kai ti diki sas syneisfora, outos oste an telika bgei kati tetoio na kanonisoume synantisi me virtual (kai oxi mono) beer gia stisimo tou mixanimatos :-) ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.net ----------------------------- From kokni at eexi.gr Wed Aug 19 17:02:13 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:02:13 +0300 Subject: Mixanima gia Hellug References: Message-ID: <35DADAE5.449C4392@eexi.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > Loipon, exoume: > > kouti Evripiidis > 2GB IDE Evripidis > 64MB (4X16) Kokras > 166+ Cyrix Kokras > NE2000 Kabrianis > Motherboard Kabrianis > Keyb ? Exw ena win104 se kalh katastash, opote paei kai auto > Floppy Kabrianis (me epifylaxi na do an to exo akoma) > Mouse Kabrianis > CD-ROM ? > second. HDD ? > VGA Card Kabrianis (me epifylaxi na do an tin exo akoma) Exw mia ISA Trident VGA kai mia PCI Diamond Stealth Video Vram (S3968). Kai oi dyo einai Ok gia consola kai X (oxi pws xreiazontai ta X , alla leme twra :-) ) > VGA B/W monitor Kabrianis > 133+ Cyrix Kabrianis > 32MB (4X8) Kabrianis > > Opos blepete symplironoume (ligo -poly kai me boitheia kai apo allous) > toulaxiston ena mixanima, me dynatotita kai gia deytero. Ase to 2o pros to paron na ftia3oume to prwto :-) Ton 2o disko ti ton 8eloume ? Enas 2Gb (me 1gb /home) ftanei Opote mas menei mono to Cdrom. KokNi at eexi.gr From bcostas at hol.gr Mon Aug 31 00:42:52 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:42:52 +0300 Subject: Ti nea? Message-ID: <35E9C75B.11843B27@hol.gr> Exoyme tipotis kainoyrgio apo to metwpo? Pistevw oti oi perissoteroi prepei na exoyme gyrisei, opote as arxisoyme na organwnomaste siga siga. Oson afora thn "anepishmh" omada poy eixe prota6ei prin kana mhna 'h ligotero, den 6ymamai akrivws, egine tipota? Ante kai kalo xeimwna, ta kefalia mesa!!! Filika, Costas Barakitis From admin at edessa.topo.auth.gr Mon Aug 31 07:18:19 1998 From: admin at edessa.topo.auth.gr (Kostas Lialiambis) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:18:19 +0300 Subject: Ti nea? References: <35E9C75B.11843B27@hol.gr> Message-ID: <6sd8qr$8e2$1@edessa.topo.auth.gr> Costas wrote in message <35E9C75B.11843B27 at hol.gr>... >Exoyme tipotis kainoyrgio apo to metwpo? Pistevw oti oi perissoteroi >prepei na exoyme gyrisei, opote as arxisoyme na organwnomaste siga siga. Nai gamw, apo thn teleytaia mas synathshs phga taberna alles 4 fores me fido-nites kai 0 forers me thelug-ites. Synepws Fidonet - Thelug 4-0 (shmeiwsate ena). Kor. From sbolis at usa.net Thu Sep 3 01:13:26 1998 From: sbolis at usa.net (Spiros Bolis) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 01:13:26 +0300 Subject: Neo melos toy HELLUG-synexeia Message-ID: <199809022207.BAA23328@delphi.gunet.gr> Xairetw , Symfwna me tis odhgies toy Michali Kabriani : Eypeithws anaferw ,ypopshfio neo melos toy HELLUG , Spiros Bolis ktl ktl. aplws sas anhmerwnw oti grafthka sth lista kai perimenw odhgies entos twn hmerwn apo to Michali Opws toy eipa kai se proswpiko mail ayto ton kairo ,logw e3etastikhs, eimai ligo strimwgmenos alla tha prospathisw oso kai opws borw. Pantws eimai enthoysiasmenos ....genika :-) Perimenw nea sas , Spiros D. Bolis From voulariba at rocketmail.com Thu Sep 3 12:46:28 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Presentation of ALPHA Proccessors with and without linux Message-ID: <19980903094628.94.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Tha mathoume ti einai afto kai pote klp kai sizitame meta. An kserei kapoios malista peri tinos prokeitai gia na mas kanei ti zoi efkoli kai as mas pei ... ---"Manos I. Dimitriades" wrote: > > Dear sirs, > > We are planning a presentation of harware platforms of Alpha > processors at 600 and 800 Mhz for OEM systems. This presentation > will demonstarte among other things LINUX running under those > proccesors and BEOWULF systems. > > We would like to reach your members and invite them. > > Please let us know how. > > > Thank you for your help. > > Manos I. Dimitriades > ******************************* > * Manos I. Dimitriades * > * PROTOGENEA Informatics, Ltd * > * 6, Botassi Street, Athens * > * 10682, GREECE * > * tel: +30 (1) 38 48 269 * > * 38 15 733 * > * fax: +30 (1) 38 48 306 * > * http://www.protogenea.gr * > * * > ******************************* > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From kokni at eexi.gr Thu Sep 3 19:35:20 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:35:20 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Fwd: Presentation of ALPHA Proccessors with and without linux In-Reply-To: <19980903094628.94.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Voula Sanida wrote: > Tha mathoume ti einai afto kai pote klp kai sizitame > meta. An kserei kapoios malista peri tinos prokeitai > gia na mas kanei ti zoi efkoli kai as mas pei ... > > > ---"Manos I. Dimitriades" wrote: > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > We are planning a presentation of harware platforms > of Alpha > > processors at 600 and 800 Mhz for OEM systems. This > presentation O 600arhs einai o teleutaios ALPHA (gamw ths CPU). Gia 800arh den h3era oti eixe bgei (xara stous katexontes). Ws gnoston, sthn alhpa platform trexoun ta ejhs leitourgika: WinNT, DEC Unix kai (fysika) Linux. To BEOWULF htan ena project gia clusters me stoxo thn kataskeuh enos fthnou paraller supercomputer. Logw ths sxetikh epityxias pou eixe, katleh3e na einai mia atyph typopoihsh sto xwro tou Linux clustering. H RedHat (se synergasia me thn NASA) ebgale to Extreme Linux pou exei kapoia tools (fortran, compilers klp) gia thn dhmiourgia tetoiou eidous clusters. Apotelei thn teleutaia moda (to supercomputer clustering). An (lew an) sthsei kanenas en Elladi Beowulf cluster me Alpha 800Mhz, parakalw poly na me eidopoihsei, 8a h8ela na to dw. Filika Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr From exindari at math.upatras.gr Thu Sep 3 15:21:57 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:21:57 +0300 Subject: Presentation of ALPHA Proccessors with and without linux References: Message-ID: <35EE89E5.E93E3E60@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Kokras Nikolaos wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Voula Sanida wrote: > > O 600arhs einai o teleutaios ALPHA (gamw ths CPU). Gia 800arh den h3era > oti eixe bgei (xara stous katexontes). Ws gnoston, sthn alhpa platform > trexoun ta ejhs leitourgika: WinNT, DEC Unix kai (fysika) Linux. Oute egv hksera oti yparxei 800arhs Alpha. Nomiza oti h grammh paragvghs htan apo ton 600arh sto 1Ghz o opoios fhmologeitai oti tha bgei to 2000. Nomizv oti einai tromera endiaferon kai oti oloi mas tha thelame na doume ayta ta pragmata. Anamenoyme leptomereies. Filika Giannis From voulariba at rocketmail.com Fri Sep 4 14:28:00 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 04:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors Message-ID: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Loipon, ematha perissotera sxetika me thn parousiash twn ALPHA epeksergastwn. H parousiash tha ginei kai se systhmata Linux, opote nomizw oti endiaferei to HELLUG. Tha diarksesei 2 hmeres, 29-30 Septembriou. Mas esteilan ena deltio typou, to opoio grafei ta parakatw : ------------------------------------------------ PRWTOGENEIA SYSTHMATA PLHROFORHSHS ΠΑΡΟΥΣΙΑΣΗ ΕΠΕΞΕΡΓΑΣΤΗ ALPHA ΣΤΑ 600-800MHZ Στις 29 και 30 Σεπτεμβρίου θα γίνει η παρουσίαση των επεξεργαστών KP21164 και KP21264 με ταχύτητες από 600MHz έως και 800MHz. Επίσης θα παρουσιαστούν τα ALPHAPOWERED Motherboards PCI64-UX και PCI64-LX με λανθάνουσα μνήμη CACHE από 2ΜΒ έως 4MB. Τα παραπάνω υλικά Hardware διατίθενται στην Ελλάδα από την εταιρεία ΠΡΩΤΟΓΕΝΕΙΑ ΕΠΕ και είναι κατάλληλα για την συναρμολόγηση πανίσχυρων Servers κάτω από Windows NT, LINUX και DIGITAL UNIX. Η εκδήλωση θα πραγματοποιηθεί στην αίθουσα διαλέξεων του Ιδρύματος Μείζονος Ελληνισμού, Πειραιώς 254. Για δηλώσεις συμμετοχής ή περισσότερες πληροφορίες, παρακαλούμε όπως επικοινωνήσετε μαζί μας στα τηλέφωνα 38 48 269 ή 38 15 733 E-mail: sp at protogenea.gr URL: http://www.protogenea.gr/1/twisterhome/protogenea/gr/news/Alpha_sem/ Γενικές πληροφορίες για τις δραστηριότητες της ΠΡΩΤΟΓΕΝΕΙΑ ΕΠΕ μπορείτε να βρείτε στο URL: http://www.protogenea.gr. ------------------------------------------------ Afta gia thn wra. === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From fm94 at freemail.gr Sat Sep 5 17:12:40 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 17:12:40 +0300 Subject: Mixanima Hellug In-Reply-To: <19980903094628.94.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980905171240.007a5a60@teemail.tee.gr> perase arketos keros apo to telefteo mail gia to mixanima tou Hellug den 3ero an telika iparxei kapios o opios 8a dex8ei kai 8a vgalei afto to mixanima sto diktio ala pistevo pos gia na 3ekinise afti i sizitisi kapios 8a exei vre8ei ego exo na prosfero mono mia karta grafikon ISA.. Apo oti ida ta perisotera komatia ta exoyn valei 2 atoma 8elo na pistevo pos afto den ofilete sto oti oi aloi den 8eloun na dosoun ala sto oti den exoun perisia komatia Gia fto ego protino emis oi ipolipoi pou den exoume na prosferoume se iliko na mazeftoume na dosoume kana dio xiliarika o ka8enas na paroume afto to CD rom pou lipei kai oti alo mporoume.. Auto to mixanima nomizo 8a dosei poli o8isi gia tis diadikasies tou Hellug kai 8a prepei na to 3ekinisoume. Mono pou i doulia den telionei ekei, yparxei kai to periexomeno tou server, 8a prepei oloi mas na sinisfroume sto na ftiaxtei enas server o opoios na exei a3iologo kai ananeosimo periexomeno. Malon den exei noima na stisoume ena mixanima to opoio to mono pou 8a exei ine mia selida me to logo tou Hellug .... From ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr Sat Sep 5 18:30:22 1998 From: ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr (ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:30:22 +0300 Subject: Mixanima Hellug In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980905171240.007a5a60@teemail.tee.gr>; from Maistrelis Kostas on Sat, Sep 05, 1998 at 05:12:40PM +0300 References: <19980903094628.94.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19980905171240.007a5a60@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <19980905183022.A1800@bunker.i-net.gr> On Sat, Sep 05, 1998 at 05:12:40PM +0300, Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > perase arketos keros apo to telefteo mail gia to mixanima > tou Hellug > Apo oti ida ta perisotera komatia ta exoyn valei 2 atoma > 8elo na pistevo pos afto den ofilete sto oti oi aloi > den 8eloun na dosoun ala sto oti den exoun perisia > komatia > Gia fto ego protino emis oi ipolipoi pou den exoume na > prosferoume se iliko na mazeftoume na dosoume kana dio > xiliarika o ka8enas na paroume afto to CD rom pou > lipei kai oti alo mporoume.. > diadikasies tou Hellug kai 8a prepei na to 3ekinisoume. > Mono pou i doulia den telionei ekei, yparxei kai to > periexomeno tou server, 8a prepei oloi mas na sinisfroume > sto na ftiaxtei enas server o opoios na exei a3iologo > kai ananeosimo periexomeno. > Malon den exei noima na stisoume ena mixanima to opoio > to mono pou 8a exei ine mia selida me to logo tou Hellug Kata tin gnomi mou, as perimenoume na ginoun ta typika kai oi ekloges tou DS, otidipote prin apo auto tha dimiourgisei de facto DS. -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at freemail.gr From exindari at math.upatras.gr Sun Sep 6 00:03:46 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 00:03:46 +0300 Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors References: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <35F1A732.FAB4E3B9@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Voula Sanida wrote: > > Loipon, > > ematha perissotera sxetika me thn parousiash twn > ALPHA epeksergastwn. H parousiash tha ginei kai se > systhmata Linux, opote nomizw oti endiaferei to HELLUG. > Tha diarksesei 2 hmeres, 29-30 Septembriou. > > Mas esteilan ena deltio typou, to opoio grafei ta > parakatw : > ------------------------------------------------ > PRWTOGENEIA > SYSTHMATA PLHROFORHSHS > > > ΠΑΡΟΥΣΙΑΣΗ ΕΠΕΞΕΡΓΑΣΤΗ ALPHA ΣΤΑ 600-800MHZ > > Στις 29 και 30 Σεπτεμβρίου θα γίνει η παρουσίαση των > επεξεργαστών KP21164 και KP21264 με ταχύτητες από > 600MHz έως και 800MHz. > > Επίσης θα παρουσιαστούν τα ALPHAPOWERED Motherboards > PCI64-UX και PCI64-LX με λανθάνουσα μνήμη CACHE από > 2ΜΒ έως 4MB. > > Τα παραπάνω υλικά Hardware διατίθενται στην Ελλάδα > από την εταιρεία ΠΡΩΤΟΓΕΝΕΙΑ ΕΠΕ και είναι κατάλληλα > για την συναρμολόγηση πανίσχυρων Servers κάτω από > Windows NT, LINUX και DIGITAL UNIX. > > Η εκδήλωση θα πραγματοποιηθεί στην αίθουσα διαλέξεων > του Ιδρύματος Μείζονος Ελληνισμού, Πειραιώς 254. > > Για δηλώσεις συμμετοχής ή περισσότερες πληροφορίες, > παρακαλούμε όπως επικοινωνήσετε μαζί μας στα τηλέφωνα > 38 48 269 ή 38 15 733 > E-mail: sp at protogenea.gr > URL: > http://www.protogenea.gr/1/twisterhome/protogenea/gr/news/Alpha_sem/ > > Γενικές πληροφορίες για τις δραστηριότητες της > ΠΡΩΤΟΓΕΝΕΙΑ ΕΠΕ μπορείτε να βρείτε στο URL: > http://www.protogenea.gr. > ------------------------------------------------ Loipon ti tha kanoyme ? Tha dvsoyme to paron h oxi? Tha pame oloi san Hellug ?? tha pame misoi ?? tha paei enas ??!!. Den tha prepei na to syzhthsoyme h oxi ?? Giannis From fm94 at freemail.gr Sun Sep 6 00:26:21 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 00:26:21 +0300 Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors In-Reply-To: <35F1A732.FAB4E3B9@ermis.math.upatras.gr> References: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980906002621.007a0dd0@teemail.tee.gr> At 12:03 AM 9/6/98 +0300, Giannis wrote: >Voula Sanida wrote: >> >> Loipon, >> >> ematha perissotera sxetika me thn parousiash twn >> ALPHA epeksergastwn. H parousiash tha ginei kai se >> systhmata Linux, opote nomizw oti endiaferei to HELLUG. >> Tha diarksesei 2 hmeres, 29-30 Septembriou. >> ------------------------------------------------ > > Loipon ti tha kanoyme ? Tha dvsoyme to paron h oxi? Tha pame oloi san >Hellug ?? tha pame misoi ?? tha paei enas ??!!. Den tha prepei na to >syzhthsoyme h oxi ?? > >Giannis > Ego 8a elega katarxin na doume pioi endiaferonte na vre8oun stin parousiasi ego endiaferome. From bcostas at hol.gr Sun Sep 6 01:03:18 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 01:03:18 +0300 Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors References: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19980906002621.007a0dd0@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <35F1B526.2914AB6F@hol.gr> > Ego 8a elega katarxin na doume pioi endiaferonte na > vre8oun stin parousiasi > > ego endiaferome. Egw skeftomai oti an paw meta 6a me piasei mizeria. :-(( Opws mizeria me epiase otan eida to neo montelo ths HP poy pairnei 96 processores. Kala kserw oti den ti6etai 6ema sygkrishs alla leme twra. Toylaxiston twra den ta exw dei ta mhxanhmata kai eimai eytixismenos sthn agnoia moy. From kyr-john at geocities.com Sun Sep 6 02:12:24 1998 From: kyr-john at geocities.com (Kyriazopoulos Ioannis) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 02:12:24 +0300 Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors References: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> <35F1A732.FAB4E3B9@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <35F1C558.813186C2@geocities.com> Egw lew na pame oloi tou hellug .... h telika osi 8eloun. file costa 8a einai mia kali empiria . kai egw otan eimai sti sxoli kai douleuw sto Sun ;h sto Sgi eimai eytixismenos alla mporw na kanw kai ti doulia mou sto PC tou spitiou. simplirwsa tis sxetiki form sti selida tis etairias kai 8a epikoinwnisoun tilefonikos mazi mas. Oti exei sxesi me Linux enalaktikous epejergastes opos o Alpha o opois sxisimopoiei to Socket tou K7 tis AMD pisteuw oti exei endiaferon :)) Kalo einai na pame oloi sen mia omada Hellug kai oxi memonomena giati etsi ekprosopoume kai kati !!! Mesa apo tetoies ekdiloseis 8a mas ma8ei kai h agora :)) Auta ... sorry an sas kourasa !! John Exidaridis wrote: > Voula Sanida wrote: > > > > Loipon, > > > > ematha perissotera sxetika me thn parousiash twn > > ALPHA epeksergastwn. H parousiash tha ginei kai se > > systhmata Linux, opote nomizw oti endiaferei to HELLUG. > > Tha diarksesei 2 hmeres, 29-30 Septembriou. > > > > Mas esteilan ena deltio typou, to opoio grafei ta > > parakatw : > > ------------------------------------------------ > > PRWTOGENEIA > > SYSTHMATA PLHROFORHSHS > > > > > > ΠΑΡΟΥΣΙΑΣΗ ΕΠΕΞΕΡΓΑΣΤΗ ALPHA ΣΤΑ 600-800MHZ > > > > Στις 29 και 30 Σεπτεμβρίου θα γίνει η παρουσίαση των > > επεξεργαστών KP21164 και KP21264 με ταχύτητες από > > 600MHz έως και 800MHz. > > > > Επίσης θα παρουσιαστούν τα ALPHAPOWERED Motherboards > > PCI64-UX και PCI64-LX με λανθάνουσα μνήμη CACHE από > > 2ΜΒ έως 4MB. > > > > Τα παραπάνω υλικά Hardware διατίθενται στην Ελλάδα > > από την εταιρεία ΠΡΩΤΟΓΕΝΕΙΑ ΕΠΕ και είναι κατάλληλα > > για την συναρμολόγηση πανίσχυρων Servers κάτω από > > Windows NT, LINUX και DIGITAL UNIX. > > > > Η εκδήλωση θα πραγματοποιηθεί στην αίθουσα διαλέξεων > > του Ιδρύματος Μείζονος Ελληνισμού, Πειραιώς 254. > > > > Για δηλώσεις συμμετοχής ή περισσότερες πληροφορίες, > > παρακαλούμε όπως επικοινωνήσετε μαζί μας στα τηλέφωνα > > 38 48 269 ή 38 15 733 > > E-mail: sp at protogenea.gr > > URL: > > http://www.protogenea.gr/1/twisterhome/protogenea/gr/news/Alpha_sem/ > > > > Γενικές πληροφορίες για τις δραστηριότητες της > > ΠΡΩΤΟΓΕΝΕΙΑ ΕΠΕ μπορείτε να βρείτε στο URL: > > http://www.protogenea.gr. > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Loipon ti tha kanoyme ? Tha dvsoyme to paron h oxi? Tha pame oloi san > Hellug ?? tha pame misoi ?? tha paei enas ??!!. Den tha prepei na to > syzhthsoyme h oxi ?? > > Giannis From exindari at math.upatras.gr Sun Sep 6 19:57:39 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 19:57:39 +0300 Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors References: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19980906002621.007a0dd0@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <35F2BF03.835CAC32@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > Ego 8a elega katarxin na doume pioi endiaferonte na > vre8oun stin parousiasi > > ego endiaferome. Sigoura kapoioi endiaferontai. Mallon tha prepei na kanoyme mia mini psifoforia isvs. Giannis From ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr Sun Sep 6 20:23:00 1998 From: ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr (ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:23:00 +0300 Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors In-Reply-To: <35F2BF03.835CAC32@ermis.math.upatras.gr>; from John Exidaridis on Sun, Sep 06, 1998 at 07:57:39PM +0300 References: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19980906002621.007a0dd0@teemail.tee.gr> <35F2BF03.835CAC32@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <19980906202300.A1893@bunker.i-net.gr> On Sun, Sep 06, 1998 at 07:57:39PM +0300, John Exidaridis wrote: > Sigoura kapoioi endiaferontai. Mallon tha prepei na kanoyme mia mini > psifoforia isvs. Diladi tha psifisoume gia to an tha epitrepsoume na pane autoi pou theloun, h tha psifisoume gia na erthoun oloi ypoxreotika? Ti na psifisoume? O kathenas pou thelei na paei einai eleutheros na paei. To hellug den yparxei akomi, gia parousiastei san syllogos. (alloste den exei ousiastiko noima h parousia tou hellug se mia parousiasi ypologisti [estw kai alpha!] , mono ithiko). > Giannis -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at freemail.gr finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at platon.cc.uoi.gr From exindari at math.upatras.gr Sun Sep 6 20:30:05 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 20:30:05 +0300 Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors References: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19980906002621.007a0dd0@teemail.tee.gr> <35F2BF03.835CAC32@ermis.math.upatras.gr> <19980906202300.A1893@bunker.i-net.gr> Message-ID: <35F2C69D.42D88766@ermis.math.upatras.gr> ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 06, 1998 at 07:57:39PM +0300, John Exidaridis wrote: > > > Sigoura kapoioi endiaferontai. Mallon tha prepei na kanoyme mia mini > > psifoforia isvs. > > Diladi tha psifisoume gia to an tha epitrepsoume na pane autoi pou theloun, > h tha psifisoume gia na erthoun oloi ypoxreotika? > Ti na psifisoume? O kathenas pou thelei na paei einai eleutheros na paei. > To hellug den yparxei akomi, gia parousiastei san syllogos. > (alloste den exei ousiastiko noima h parousia tou hellug se mia parousiasi > ypologisti [estw kai alpha!] , mono ithiko). > > > Giannis > Hmmm, Mallon lathos ekfrash. Exeis dikio. As poyme kalytera poioi theloyn na pame kai poioi oxi. Mallon tha mazeytoyme kammia 10aria atoma Giannis > -- > Nikos Mavroyanopoulos > nmav at freemail.gr > finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at platon.cc.uoi.gr From fm94 at freemail.gr Mon Sep 7 00:28:15 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 00:28:15 +0300 Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors In-Reply-To: <35F2C69D.42D88766@ermis.math.upatras.gr> References: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19980906002621.007a0dd0@teemail.tee.gr> <35F2BF03.835CAC32@ermis.math.upatras.gr> <19980906202300.A1893@bunker.i-net.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980907002815.007a2b90@teemail.tee.gr> At 08:30 PM 9/6/98 +0300, Giannis wrote: > > Hmmm, Mallon lathos ekfrash. Exeis dikio. As poyme kalytera poioi >theloyn na pame kai poioi oxi. Mallon tha mazeytoyme kammia 10aria atoma > >Giannis Telika re pedia pite an endiafereste na pate.. esi Gianni ise stin patra 8a anevis gia tin parousiasi?? ante na doume posoi endiaferonte kai vlepoume.. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Mon Sep 7 01:12:45 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 01:12:45 +0300 Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors References: <19980904112800.6547.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19980906002621.007a0dd0@teemail.tee.gr> <35F2BF03.835CAC32@ermis.math.upatras.gr> <19980906202300.A1893@bunker.i-net.gr> <3.0.5.32.19980907002815.007a2b90@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <35F308DD.D3AA1EAC@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > Telika re pedia pite an endiafereste na pate.. esi Gianni ise stin patra > 8a anevis gia tin parousiasi?? > > ante na doume posoi endiaferonte kai vlepoume.. Egv endiaferomai, kai tha erthv Athina. Etsi kai allivs kai atyhn thn ebdomada ( apo Tetarth mallon ) Athina tha eimai vs thn Kyriakh. Allos kanenas ? Giannis From voulariba at rocketmail.com Mon Sep 7 09:17:29 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Plirofories gia thn Parousiash twn ALPHA Proccessors Message-ID: <19980907061729.11016.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> > On Sun, Sep 06, 1998 at 07:57:39PM +0300, John > Exidaridis wrote: > > > Sigoura kapoioi endiaferontai. Mallon tha >> prepei na kanoyme mia mini > > psifoforia isvs. > > Diladi tha psifisoume gia to an tha epitrepsoume na > pane autoi pou theloun, > h tha psifisoume gia na erthoun oloi ypoxreotika? > Ti na psifisoume? O kathenas pou thelei na paei einai > eleutheros na paei. Re, paidia min trelathoume. Fysika kai opoios endiaferetai mporei na paei, gia afto to logo allwste to steilame sth lista. Proswpika, thewrw kalh idea an pane kapoia paidia apo emas ta idrytika melh, na ekproswpisoun kai to HELLUG kai na milisoun sxetika me to syllogo, na arxisoun siga siga na mas mathainoun. > To hellug den yparxei akomi, gia parousiastei san > syllogos. Allwste to HELLUG, apo 28/9 an thimamai kala tha thewreitai kai EPISHMA Syllogos. Egw thelw na erthw, den kserw omws an tha mporesw na fygw apo th douleia mou ekeines tis wres. O Evripidis o Papakostas pantws tha erthei sigoura. === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From voulariba at rocketmail.com Mon Sep 7 09:19:53 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mixanima Hellug Message-ID: <19980907061953.27817.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> ---Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > perase arketos keros apo to telefteo mail gia to > mixanima > tou Hellug > den 3ero an telika iparxei kapios o opios 8a dex8ei > kai > 8a vgalei afto to mixanima sto diktio ala pistevo pos > gia na 3ekinise afti i sizitisi kapios 8a exei vre8ei Ap' oti kserw, exei prosferthei sigoura h EEXI kai to Forthnet na vgaloun to mixanima sto diktyo. > Apo oti ida ta perisotera komatia ta exoyn valei 2 > atoma > 8elo na pistevo pos afto den ofilete sto oti oi aloi > den 8eloun na dosoun ala sto oti den exoun perisia > komatia Olo kai kati tha perissevei, gia na psaxtoume kalytera :-) === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr Mon Sep 7 13:07:43 1998 From: ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:07:43 +0300 Subject: Mixanima Hellug In-Reply-To: <19980907061953.27817.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com>; from Voula Sanida on Sun, Sep 06, 1998 at 11:19:53PM -0700 References: <19980907061953.27817.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <19980907130743.A689@bunker.i-net.gr> On Sun, Sep 06, 1998 at 11:19:53PM -0700, Voula Sanida wrote: > > den 3ero an telika iparxei kapios o opios 8a dex8ei > > kai > > 8a vgalei afto to mixanima sto diktio ala pistevo pos > > gia na 3ekinise afti i sizitisi kapios 8a exei vre8ei > Ap' oti kserw, exei prosferthei sigoura h EEXI kai to > Forthnet na vgaloun to mixanima sto diktyo. > > 8elo na pistevo pos afto den ofilete sto oti oi aloi > > den 8eloun na dosoun ala sto oti den exoun perisia > > komatia > Olo kai kati tha perissevei, gia na psaxtoume > kalytera :-) Ean einai na xekinisoun tetoies diadikasies as psifisoume gia to DS kai auto meta apofasizei ti tha ginei pou, (an fysika oloi symfonoun, alla den nomizo oti yparxei kapoia paratypia, to oti den exei anagnoristei to hellug nomika, den mas empodizei na xekinisoume). Alla an xekinisoume tha xekinisoume organomena, min to kanoume mpate skyloi ... > Voula Sanida > http://linux.airtour.gr -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at freemail.gr finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at platon.cc.uoi.gr From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Sep 8 14:12:39 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 14:12:39 +0300 Subject: Mixanima Hellug References: <19980907061953.27817.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> <19980907130743.A689@bunker.i-net.gr> Message-ID: <35F51127.4EE7C9EE@ametro.gr> Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > auto meta apofasizei ti tha ginei pou, (an fysika oloi symfonoun, alla den > nomizo oti yparxei kapoia paratypia, to oti den exei anagnoristei to hellug > nomika, den mas empodizei na xekinisoume). Alla an xekinisoume tha > xekinisoume organomena, min to kanoume mpate skyloi ... Poio na kanoume bate skyloi re paidia? to na mathoume an kapoios exei na dosei kana eksartima? I sto an dexetai kapoios na mas filoksenisei otan ginoume sillogos? Afto ego to leo "kouventa oste na kseroume pou vriskomaste". An pantos thelete na perimenoume na exoume kai sfragida prin ta poume OK kai afto ginetai. Pantos o syllogos (me i xoris akoma sfragida) an exei kapoio skopo einai na epispevdei kai na organonei tetoies kouventes kai energeies kai oxi na tis anavalei. H apofasi as lifthei opote na'nai alla den iparxei logos na min kaneis ta proparaskevastika. Pantos an ontos vlepete kapoio provlima sto na mathoume an exoume kai poia meri enos PC, i poioi einai oi ipopsifioi hosts mas, i sto an kapoios apo emas thelei na paei se mia presentation gia Alpha i otidipote, pou den vlepo ego, kai etsi dekto ... As ta poume afou egkrithoume kai typika. Evripidis From kokni at eexi.gr Mon Sep 7 19:09:22 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:09:22 +0300 Subject: Mixanima Hellug References: <19980907061953.27817.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> <19980907130743.A689@bunker.i-net.gr> <35F51127.4EE7C9EE@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <35F40532.9E38ACBE@eexi.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > > auto meta apofasizei ti tha ginei pou, (an fysika oloi symfonoun, alla den > > nomizo oti yparxei kapoia paratypia, to oti den exei anagnoristei to hellug > > nomika, den mas empodizei na xekinisoume). Alla an xekinisoume tha > > xekinisoume organomena, min to kanoume mpate skyloi ... > > Poio na kanoume bate skyloi re paidia? to na mathoume an kapoios exei na > dosei kana eksartima? I sto an dexetai kapoios na mas filoksenisei otan > ginoume sillogos? Afto ego to leo "kouventa oste na kseroume pou > vriskomaste". > Egw paidia, ena pragmataki 8elw na rwthsw: H idiothta melous tou HELLUG einai metabibasimh/klhronomhsimh ? Egw, se 50 xronia 8a pe8anw kai 8a h8ela na 3erw ..giati den blepw na kanoume tipota oso zw .... Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr P.S. black humor kanw, panw sthn apelpisia mou (apognwsh,adraneia,grafeiokratismo klpklp). Mhn me arxisete sta flames, please :-) From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Sep 8 16:22:31 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:22:31 +0300 Subject: Mixanima Hellug References: <19980907061953.27817.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> <19980907130743.A689@bunker.i-net.gr> <35F51127.4EE7C9EE@ametro.gr> <35F40532.9E38ACBE@eexi.gr> Message-ID: <35F52F97.91CCCCE4@ametro.gr> > H idiothta melous tou HELLUG einai metabibasimh/klhronomhsimh ? > Egw, se 50 xronia 8a pe8anw kai 8a h8ela na 3erw ..giati den blepw na > kanoume tipota oso zw .... > Mhn me arxisete sta flames, please :-) Geia xara. Akolouthei flame. Plaka kano :-) Dio pragmata: To ena: Diladi exoume elipseis sto katastatiko? Den provlepses niko sto teleftaio katastatiko pou epimelithikes kati peri tis metavivasis se protous siggeneis??!!?? EEE? GIATI NIKO?! To deftero: Peri mixanimatos. Katalavaino tin anisixia tou Mavroyannopoulou kai telika exei dikio (den diafonei kanenas epi tis ousias). Ontos tha prepei otan ksekiname mia prospatheia na tin kanoume kala kai organomena kai kyrile. Elpizo pos afto pame tora na kanoume, na organosoume tin katastasi arketo kairo prin, na mazepsoume iliko, na montaroume, na exoume ipopsin mas ethelontes providers, na kseroume ti dinoun, gia poso kairo, ti/an zitan, bas kai oloklirothei kirile meta, xoris aproopta. Den vlepo se ti tha mas ofelisei na perimenoume kai na min mazepsoume oti diathesimo exoume se iliko. Tha proteina malista opoios exei akoma kati na dosei na milisei tora pou einai septemvris kai theoritika epistrepsane oloi piso, ligos kairos menei mexri tin idrisi klp, oste na min einai varos se aftous pou dinoun polla eksartimata. Meta tha organosoume imerida sinarmologisis, egatastasis vasikou leitourgikou klp se kapoio spiti, metaksi biron, pizzas klp, opou oi antres tha kanoun afto gia to opoio pragmatika ftiaktikan: tha leme prostixa anekdota tha pinoume bires kai tha stinoume mixanimata. Treli diaskedasi diladi. Tade efi Evripidis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Sep 14 13:41:32 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:41:32 +0300 Subject: Peri parousiasis Alpha References: <199808111523.PAA16566@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <35FCF2DC.65EC940@ametro.gr> [1] Ego kai i Voula Sanida tha katevoume kai tis 2 meres na doume ta Alpha. To Linux einai mexri tis 12:00 kai meta exei kafe kai boufe. Akolouthoun NT klp, opou den tha minoume. Isos erthei kai o Panayotis o Vryonis. Tha doume kanenan sas? An skopevete, parte tous tilefono kai dilotheite. [2] Peri mixanimatos ti tha ginei? Idi i proti prothesmia apantisis nai/oxi apo tin EEXI perase, vgikame proxthes me ton (proin) admin tous pou fevgei (giafto kai elege mexri 10-15 Septemvriou, oste an exei bei diko mas mixanima na minei kai ston epomeno),paraitithike kai paei agglia. Evripidis From kokni at eexi.gr Mon Sep 14 15:46:59 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:46:59 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Peri parousiasis Alpha In-Reply-To: <35FCF2DC.65EC940@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 14-Sep-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > [1] Ego kai i Voula Sanida tha katevoume kai tis 2 meres na doume ta > Alpha. > To Linux einai mexri tis 12:00 kai meta exei kafe kai boufe. > Akolouthoun > NT klp, opou den tha minoume. > Isos erthei kai o Panayotis o Vryonis. > Tha doume kanenan sas? An skopevete, parte tous tilefono kai > dilotheite. 8a er8w kai egw. Mexri pote einai oi dhlwseis kai pou ? > [2] Peri mixanimatos ti tha ginei? Idi i proti prothesmia apantisis > nai/oxi apo tin EEXI perase, vgikame proxthes me ton (proin) admin > tous > pou fevgei (giafto kai elege mexri 10-15 Septemvriou, oste an exei > bei > diko mas mixanima na minei kai ston epomeno),paraitithike kai paei > agglia. Ef'oson eipame na synagwnistoume to ellhniko dhmosio stous ry8mous tou, gia auto to 8ema den 3anamilaw. Ta ylika pou prosefera, einai sthn dia8esh tou HELLUG ana pasa stigmh (me eidopoihsh +2hmerwn). --- Nikos Kokras XFMail 14-Sep-98 14:42:27 "Tell the truth and run." -- Yugoslav proverb From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Sep 15 14:06:10 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:06:10 +0300 Subject: Peri parousiasis Alpha References: Message-ID: <35FE4A22.39ECCC79@ametro.gr> > > 8a er8w kai egw. Mexri pote einai oi dhlwseis kai pou ? Protogeneia Systimata Tilepliroforisis Botasi 6,106 82 Athina Tel: 3848269,3815733 email: sp at protogenea.gr <---protogenea den einai tipografiko lathos etsi to elava. gia steile kai mathe. > Ef'oson eipame na synagwnistoume to ellhniko dhmosio stous ry8mous > tou, gia auto to 8ema den 3anamilaw. Ta ylika pou prosefera, einai > sthn dia8esh tou HELLUG ana pasa stigmh (me eidopoihsh +2hmerwn). > OK LOIPON. AS TO KSEKINAME. Se teliki analysi, aftoi pou boroun na prosferoun/apantisan klp einai metrimenoi sta daktila. Den xreiazetai tin adeia kapoiou gia na mazeftoume me ta eksartimata mas se ena spiti, na montaroume ena PC kai na to vaftisoume me ena popmpodes onoma (p.x. penguin) klp. Exo tin ipopsia :-) pos otan to ftiaksoume, olo kai kapou tha mas xreiastei sto poli ameso mellon. To pou/pote/giati boroume na to apofasisoume os HELLUG. To mixanima omos boroume na to ftiaksoume kai na min xronotrivoume allo. Erotisi astrapi: Ti/Poioi lete gia to SavatoKyriako spiti mou? ta paidia tin diefthinsi tin kseroun, exoume xoro, aftonomia, ilika ... xoreftries, pizzes, bires , ouggrous violistes... Tha forethei vradini endimasia kai prepei na ferete doro se otidipote morfi hardware. Evripidis. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Wed Sep 16 14:55:52 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:55:52 +0300 Subject: Peri parousiasis Alpha References: <35FE4A22.39ECCC79@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <35FFA748.9DA3EBFE@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > OK LOIPON. > Erotisi astrapi: > > Ti/Poioi lete gia to SavatoKyriako spiti mou? ta paidia tin diefthinsi > tin kseroun, exoume xoro, aftonomia, ilika ... xoreftries, pizzes, bires > , ouggrous violistes... > Tha forethei vradini endimasia kai prepei na ferete doro se otidipote > morfi hardware. > > Evripidis. Hmmm . Den ginetai kalytera to epomeno Sabbatokyriako dhladh 26 - 27. ( Etsi dhladh gia na proetoimastoyme psixologika !! ).Plaka kanv. Apla gia na kanonisoyme kai tis tyxon alles doyleies mas ?? Giannis From kokni at eexi.gr Wed Sep 16 15:04:21 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:04:21 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Peri parousiasis Alpha In-Reply-To: <35FFA748.9DA3EBFE@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: On 16-Sep-98 John Exidaridis wrote: > > > Hmmm . Den ginetai kalytera to epomeno Sabbatokyriako dhladh 26 - > 27. ( > Etsi dhladh gia na proetoimastoyme psixologika !! ).Plaka kanv. Apla > gia > na kanonisoyme kai tis tyxon alles doyleies mas ?? > > > Giannis AAA, nai, 3exasa na apnthsw..... Reeee, Euripidi, eimai Saloniki mexri tis 25. An 8elete bebaia, sas stelnw tis mnhmes/cpu alla 8elw na eimai kai egw ekei (oxi gia tis fatses sas, tis rwsides xoreutries 8elw :-P) --- Nikos Kokras XFMail 16-Sep-98 14:58:36 Observe yon plumed biped fine. To activate its captivation, Deposit on its termination, A quantity of particles saline. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Sep 16 15:37:09 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:37:09 +0300 Subject: HMER/NIA GIA MAZOKSI References: Message-ID: <35FFB0F5.210F50F7@ametro.gr> Loipon: Savatto 26/9 pos sas fainetai ??? From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Wed Sep 16 20:24:18 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:24:18 GMT Subject: HMER/NIA GIA MAZOKSI Message-ID: <199809161724.RAA03937@mk.aua.gr> >Savatto 26/9 pos sas fainetai ??? Count me in Michalis Kabrianis P.S. sorry pou den symmetexo stin koubenta alla PNIGOMAII!!!!! From yang at acropolis.net Wed Sep 16 20:08:40 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:08:40 +0300 Subject: Mixanima Hellug References: <19980907061953.27817.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> <19980907130743.A689@bunker.i-net.gr> <35F51127.4EE7C9EE@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <35FFF098.7C4A2B73@acropolis.net> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > to na mathoume an kapoios exei na dosei kana eksartima? > an exoume kai poia meri enos PC, Logo pou ton augousto den parakolouthousa th lista den ksero ti eipothike,kai ti eksartimata yparxoun, peite ti yparxei,i ti psaxnoume gia na do an kanei tipota apo ayta pou exw periseyma (mhn perimenetai tipota spoudaio) Yannis................. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Wed Sep 16 21:25:03 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:25:03 +0300 Subject: HMER/NIA GIA MAZOKSI References: <35FFB0F5.210F50F7@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3600027F.71F3F508@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > Loipon: > > Savatto 26/9 pos sas fainetai ??? Teleia !! Giannis From vis at epsilon.com.gr Wed Sep 16 21:33:19 1998 From: vis at epsilon.com.gr (vis) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:33:19 +0300 Subject: Mixanima Hellug References: <19980907061953.27817.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> <19980907130743.A689@bunker.i-net.gr> <35F51127.4EE7C9EE@ametro.gr> <35FFF098.7C4A2B73@acropolis.net> Message-ID: <3600046F.DD691AA3@epsilon.com.gr> Yannis Giftomitros wrote: Sta arxhives tis listas tha deis ena mail tou Kabriani pou leei ti yparxei diathesimo. Pantws, an yparxei plhktrologio, pontiki (ATX), CDROM kala tha einai. An malista exeis kai kana disko gia deftero akomh kalytera. > Logo pou ton augousto den parakolouthousa th lista den > ksero ti eipothike,kai ti eksartimata yparxoun, > peite ti yparxei,i ti psaxnoume gia na do an kanei tipota > apo ayta pou exw periseyma (mhn perimenetai tipota spoudaio) > > Yannis................. From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Thu Sep 17 11:35:13 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:35:13 +0300 ( ) Subject: HMER/NIA GIA MAZOKSI In-Reply-To: <3600027F.71F3F508@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, John Exidaridis wrote: > Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > Savatto 26/9 pos sas fainetai ??? > Teleia !! Mesa, isws ferw kai ton Keramida Athina. Giannh, ean katebaineis me aytokinhto Patra-Athina meta tis 23, exw ena kibwtio me ejarthmata H/Y na feroume, an ginetai. Lew na kanoume thn synanthsh ligo pio dieyrymmenh, na erthoun oloi oi Linuxades pou mporoun, me biglieto ejarthmata H/Y :-) Na broume kai toys gkoul, infonick, [...] kai allous pou tous blepoume spania. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From kokni at eexi.gr Thu Sep 17 11:49:41 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:49:41 +0300 (EEST) Subject: HMER/NIA GIA MAZOKSI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17-Sep-98 Georgatos Fotis wrote: > Lew na kanoume thn synanthsh ligo pio dieyrymmenh, > na erthoun oloi oi Linuxades pou mporoun, > me biglieto ejarthmata H/Y :-) > > Na broume kai toys gkoul, infonick, [...] kai allous pou tous > blepoume spania. > Xmm, dhladh 8a kanoume hardware-fest ? Ok, alla egw 8elw kai tis pitses/xoreutries/biolia klpklp --- Nikos Kokras XFMail 17-Sep-98 11:48:00 "Give me enough medals, and I'll win any war." -- Napoleon From yang at acropolis.net Thu Sep 17 22:02:51 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:02:51 +0300 Subject: Mixanima Hellug References: <19980907061953.27817.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> <19980907130743.A689@bunker.i-net.gr> <35F51127.4EE7C9EE@ametro.gr> <35FFF098.7C4A2B73@acropolis.net> <3600046F.DD691AA3@epsilon.com.gr> Message-ID: <36015CDB.65740777@acropolis.net> vis wrote: > > Sta arxhives tis listas tha deis ena mail tou Kabriani pou leei ti > yparxei diathesimo. > Pantws, an yparxei plhktrologio, pontiki (ATX), CDROM kala tha einai. Distixos tipota apo ayta. > An malista exeis kai kana disko gia deftero akomh kalytera. Disko exw enan alla einai poly mikros (540M) an den yparxei tipota kalytero (kala mhn varate) :-))))) Yannis.. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Thu Sep 17 23:45:16 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:45:16 +0300 Subject: HMER/NIA GIA MAZOKSI References: Message-ID: <360174DC.381C07B8@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Georgatos Fotis wrote: > > Giannh, ean katebaineis me aytokinhto Patra-Athina meta tis 23, > exw ena kibwtio me ejarthmata H/Y na feroume, an ginetai. Dystyxvs me levforeio tha katebv :-( Giannis From voulariba at rocketmail.com Sun Sep 20 18:30:20 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MAZOKSI 26/9/98 The final details Message-ID: <19980920153020.28284.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Loipon. Peri assembly gathering. einai stis 26/9/98 einai sto spiti mas (Evripidis kai Voula) einai opoiadipote ora proselthei op kathenas meta tis 11:00 to proi kai oso traviksei. Ftiaxnoume elliniko, tsai, frape, nes Na ferete oti hardware paliatzouria exete. H diefthinsi (gia opoion erxetai gia proti fora) einai papakostas evripidis kai voula sanida 4os orofos roumelis 10 agia paraskevi ascii-art: GES louna-park (1o fanari meta louna park) -------------------------|---------> pros agia parask messogeion | |ipirou str (anifora) | | lofos me | misoteleiomeno | kolimvitirio (olo eftheia) | ------- diastavrosi taverna | mavromatis | (olo eftheia pali) | ----+ | ----+ roumelis (2o steno) opoios xathei i den katalave tipota 6017123 meta tis 5:00 mm === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From yang at acropolis.net Sun Sep 27 09:50:03 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:50:03 +0300 Subject: Mazoksh Message-ID: <360DE01B.5F36E818@acropolis.net> Dystixws logv doyleias den mporesa na paravretho sth Mazoksh :-))) Rixte kammia enhmerwsh To mhxanhma einai komple? An oxi na baloume kana frago na to tekeiwsoume.......... Yannis................................................. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sun Sep 27 13:24:52 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:24:52 +0300 Subject: Mazoksh References: <360DE01B.5F36E818@acropolis.net> Message-ID: <360E2084.915C5CA6@ametro.gr> pigaine http://linux.airtour.gr kai pata sto katazitountai. kati stisame. merikoi dosane kai lefta na paroume ena cd pou den eixame. An apofasisoume na valoume 2nd HDD kai den mas ftanoun ta tou sillogou, tha ektimisoume o,ti exei o katheis. pantos pros to paron eimaste ok. Evripidis From kokni at eexi.gr Sun Sep 27 22:46:44 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:46:44 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Mazoksh In-Reply-To: <360DE01B.5F36E818@acropolis.net> Message-ID: On 27-Sep-98 Yannis Giftomitros wrote: > Dystixws logv doyleias den mporesa na paravretho sth Mazoksh :-))) > Rixte kammia enhmerwsh > To mhxanhma einai komple? > An oxi na baloume kana frago na to tekeiwsoume.......... > > Yannis................................................. Δυστυχώς λόγω έκτακτης δουλειάς δεν μπόρεσα να παρεβρεθώ ούτε εγώ. Το κακό μάλιστα είναι ότι κρατάω μια CPU, 64ΜΒ ram και ένα πληκτρολόγιο. Υπάρχει κανείς από Θεσσαλονίκη που θα κατέβει Αθήνα στις επόμενες 2-3 μέρες για να μεταφέρει τα εν λόγω υλικά στον αγριεμένο Ευριπίδη ? --- Nikos Kokras XFMail 27-Sep-98 22:44:03 The more things change, the more they stay insane. From bcostas at hol.gr Mon Sep 28 00:31:53 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:31:53 +0300 Subject: Mazoksh References: <360DE01B.5F36E818@acropolis.net> <360E2084.915C5CA6@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <360EAEC9.E8ADDA15@hol.gr> Evripidis wrote: > pigaine > http://linux.airtour.gr > kai pata sto katazitountai. Kala milame den paizeste!!! From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Sep 28 14:50:32 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:50:32 +0300 Subject: DIKASTIKA References: <3588CAB2.192676A2@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <360F7808.B502DE63@ametro.gr> good news and bad news: good news = eimaste OK. Egine to dikastirio, tipota to aproopto. bad news = elliniki grafeiokratia. Logo fortou dikastirion kai apotelesmaton sillogon pou prepei na epikirothoun, anamenoume tin epikirosi, vasi tis dikis mesa SE ENA OLOKLIRO TRIMHNO. Den iparxei episis kapoio prosorino xarti, to opoio tha boroume na epidiksoume. Opote toulaxiston apo thema eggrafon boroume na sinexisoume (atypes akoma opos kai oi arxikes). peri DS den vlepo pos tha borousame na kanoume akoma ekloges. peri apofaseon opoias allis fisis, gia opoiadipote drastiriotia, boroume pali na tin kanoume, meso tis atipis (opos mexri simera) sizitisis meso listas. Ta sovara anagastika tha perimenoun na ginoume kanonikos sillogos. tafta. Evripidis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Sep 29 15:32:27 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:32:27 +0300 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 References: Message-ID: <3610D35B.B06E6303@ametro.gr> Loipon, apo emas eida ekei : Soldato, Voula, Boli, emena. kosmo eixe elaxisto. ektos ton Alpha pou deixnane, emfanistike mia elliniki etaireia pou anaptysei to proion Altera SQL Server. Einai SQL89/92 compatible dinei ODBC, JDBC, dexetai stor procs (kai grammena se C,C++,Java, Perl kai Scheme), dinei source tou ODBC tou. Einai ensomatomeno me WWW server kai ipostirizei kai MIME kateftheian apo blobs tis vasis kai ta deixnei web, exei www interface gia administration, www consola gia queries, ipostizei uniform characters, paizei se Linux (intel,alpha), Sun, Win, HP, SCO klp. Na po mia proti skepsi, mou fanike poli dinato. exoun epafes me caldera na to dinoun stin commersial distribution tous (opos i SuSe dinei ADABAS) klp. exei transaction locking klp. Fainetai dinati. H etaireia exei KATHE DIATHESI, na mas dosei free license, na stisoume se mixanima mas, an vevaia kai emeis leme gia afti tin evgeniki prosfora tous klp. Endiaferontai gia diafimisi opos einai fisiko, kai opos kai emeis den tous exoume akousei, etsi kai aftoi den kserane gia mas. Alla einai diatethimenoi tora pou milisame ligo na kanoume kapoia sinergasia. Skeftite to ligo oloi, nomizo pos einai pros to simferon olon mas. Emeis tha boresoume na deiksoume mia oraia filotimi elliniki prospatheia, tha kanoume tin douleia mas, tha mathoume pramata, tha deiksoume mia nea elliniki / unicode apopsi ste dbs kai aftoi tha kanoun mia parousia se ena site pou pernaei kosmos pou isos tous endiaferei san target group. Peite skepseis, kai oxi viastika tou styl : "emeis freeware, den goustaroume". Skopos mas mallon einai to linux, oi efarmoges, i ipostiriksi tou kai i dievrinsi tis vasis pou to xrisimopoiei. Kapou tha vroume xoro kai xrisimotita gia mia elliniki Oracle-like vasi (prin tin doume sta cd tis caldera pou agorazoume apo ton papasotiriou). An mas endiaferei i sinergasia, as tin prosdiorisoume ligo kalitera prin tous tilefonisoume ... an oxi, as tous poume pos den mas endiaferei na sinergastoume, na min tous talaiporoume. Evripidis. From bcostas at hol.gr Tue Sep 29 18:53:00 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:53:00 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 References: <3610D35B.B06E6303@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3611025C.6639@hol.gr> Ta mhxanhmata pws soy fanhkan? Rwtaw giati endiaferomai gia enallaktikes se Unix boxes. Times/performances kai alla sxetika gnwrizeis? From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Sep 29 17:19:01 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:19:01 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 References: <3610D35B.B06E6303@ametro.gr> <3611025C.6639@hol.gr> Message-ID: <3610EC55.A05F3223@ametro.gr> Costas wrote: > > Ta mhxanhmata pws soy fanhkan? Rwtaw giati endiaferomai gia enallaktikes > se Unix boxes. Times/performances kai alla sxetika gnwrizeis? se prosopiki sizitisi kapoios epeksergastis sta 300 kati me ena motherboard pou stereitai megalis external cache kai exei sinolikes epidoseis pano apo enan pentium sta 330 (alla sxetika sigrisimes) paei giro sta 200.000 (motherboard kai CPU), alla exei poli pio grigoro FPU an afto se endiaferei. iparxoun motherboards pou pane kana 200.000 mona tous me 1MB Cache klp pou to kanoun na petaei kai meta yparxoun kai POLI grigoroteroi epeksergastes alla times den ksero, giati rotaga gia to minimum kostos. P.S. Oi mikroteris taxititas Alpha den iparxoun pleon sto emporio. (Theorountai kati san 486SX 33Mhz) :-) Kai ena allo pou akousa peri NT. Isxirizontai pos ta NT 5.0 graftikan se Alpha kai eginan port se intel. Evripidis From bcostas at hol.gr Tue Sep 29 19:27:08 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:27:08 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 References: <3610D35B.B06E6303@ametro.gr> <3611025C.6639@hol.gr> <3610EC55.A05F3223@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <36110A5C.7FEA@hol.gr> > (Theorountai kati san 486SX 33Mhz) :-) > > Kai ena allo pou akousa peri NT. Isxirizontai pos ta NT 5.0 graftikan se > Alpha kai eginan port se intel. Xm, den kserw an ayto einai kalo 'h oxi. Oreksh exw twra na akoyw thn MS na poyla kai moyrh oti esteise ta NT se risc. Oxi oti allazei kai tipota sth sta6erothta alla oi entypwseis/marketing dystyxws metrane kai poly malista. Syn to gegonos oti h Digital anhkei pleon sthn Compaq kai h Compaq einai o kateksoxin yposthrikths twn NT's. Vrasta xaralampe... Anyway, mporeis na moy steileis me proswpiko email ta stoixeia ths etairias? Filika, Costas Barakitis From sbolis at usa.net Tue Sep 29 20:10:23 1998 From: sbolis at usa.net (Spiros Bolis) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:10:23 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 In-Reply-To: <3610EC55.A05F3223@ametro.gr> References: <3610D35B.B06E6303@ametro.gr> <3611025C.6639@hol.gr> Message-ID: <199809291605.TAA13389@delphi.gunet.gr> Aplws symplhrwmatika epeidh prose3a tis times >iparxoun motherboards pou pane kana 200.000 mona tous me 1MB Cache klp >pou to kanoun na petaei kai meta yparxoun kai POLI grigoroteroi >epeksergastes alla times den ksero, giati rotaga gia to minimum kostos. Gia toys kainoyrioys epe3ergastes oi times tha einai 1.000-1.200 kai peripoy 7.500 dollaria . (Evripidiiiiii ..poy xazeyes otan milage o Volfrang ?? (h' opws alliws ton legane)) twra gia poia montela antistoixoyn se poies times tha sas gelasw pantws h antistoixia einai gia 667 kai 800 h' 800 kai 1000 Mhz. Elpizw na boithisa Spiros D. Bolis From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Tue Sep 29 19:18:24 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:18:24 +0300 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 In-Reply-To: <3610D35B.B06E6303@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <19980929191824.A583@crystal.i-net.gr> On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 03:32:27PM +0300, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Skeftite to ligo oloi, nomizo pos einai pros to simferon olon mas. Emeis > tha boresoume na deiksoume mia oraia filotimi elliniki prospatheia, tha > kanoume tin douleia mas, tha mathoume pramata, tha deiksoume mia nea > elliniki / unicode apopsi ste dbs kai aftoi tha kanoun mia parousia se > ena site pou pernaei kosmos pou isos tous endiaferei san target group. > > Peite skepseis, kai oxi viastika tou styl : "emeis freeware, den > goustaroume". Skopos mas mallon einai to linux, oi efarmoges, i > ipostiriksi tou kai i dievrinsi tis vasis pou to xrisimopoiei. Kapou tha > vroume xoro kai xrisimotita gia mia elliniki Oracle-like vasi (prin tin > doume sta cd tis caldera pou agorazoume apo ton papasotiriou). > > An mas endiaferei i sinergasia, as tin prosdiorisoume ligo kalitera prin > tous tilefonisoume ... an oxi, as tous poume pos den mas endiaferei na > sinergastoume, na min tous talaiporoume. Apantao se auto kai sto proigoumeno (gia tin kathisterisi tou hellug). Proteino na xekinisoume, na psifisoume kapoio DS (Den mas empodizei to gegonos oti den anagnoristike nomika akomi, ti diafora tha eixe?). As xekinisoume giati opos les yparxoun pragmata pou prepei na kanonistoune. > Evripidis. -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at i-net.paiko.gr finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at hermes.cc.uoi.gr From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Wed Sep 30 14:34:45 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:34:45 GMT Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 Message-ID: <199809301134.LAA10628@mk.aua.gr> Proteino na xekinisoume, na psifisoume kapoio DS (Den mas empodizei to gegonos oti den anagnoristike nomika akomi, ti diafora tha eixe?). As xekinisoume giati opos les yparxoun pragmata pou prepei na kanonistoune. Tha symfoniso kai ego me tin apopsi tou Nikou. Prepei epitelous na arxisoume na kinoumaste. Kontevouma na kseperasoume kai tis dimosies ypiresies. Mporei to DS na exei periorismeni "diarkeia zois" alla einai sigoura kalytero apo to tipota. From bcostas at hol.gr Wed Sep 30 14:23:29 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:23:29 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 References: <19980929191824.A583@crystal.i-net.gr> Message-ID: <361214B0.2C40@hol.gr> > Apantao se auto kai sto proigoumeno (gia tin kathisterisi tou hellug). > Proteino na xekinisoume, na psifisoume kapoio DS (Den mas empodizei to > gegonos oti den anagnoristike nomika akomi, ti diafora tha eixe?). As > xekinisoume giati opos les yparxoun pragmata pou prepei na kanonistoune. Kai egw symfwnw. Oi typikothtes den exoyn kanena nohma sthn olh istoria. Afoy o stoxos einai koinos, poia h diafora enos DS twra kai enos "nomima eklegmenoy". Afoy pali oi idioi 6a einai, 'h mhpws exoyme na xwrisoyme tipota. To 6ema eixe sizith6ei kai ton Avgoysto opoy den 6ymamai poios eixe proteinei na vgei ena proswrino DS gia na kinh6oyme ligoylaki. Ante loipon na to vgaloyme apo twra. Filika, Costas Barakitis From kokni at eexi.gr Wed Sep 30 16:14:32 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:14:32 +0300 (EEST) Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 In-Reply-To: <361214B0.2C40@hol.gr> Message-ID: On 30-Sep-98 Costas wrote: > Ante > loipon na to vgaloyme apo twra. > > Filika, > Costas Barakitis A, oxi twra diafwnw egw. 8a perimenoume na anagnwristoume epishma, na mas dwsei sygxarhthria o dikasths, na kanoume de3iwsh, na teleiwsei h de3iwsh kai meta 8a khry3oume proeklogikh periodo diarkeias 60 hmerwn. Meta 8a ginoun ekloges kai ama den ypar3ei apolyth pleiopshfia 8a ginei epanalhptikos gyros meta apo 1 mhna. P.S. Evripidi, ftanw A8hna aurio gyrw stis 1:30 (Pedio Arews). Pws 8a bre8oume gia ta "dika" mas ? Steile mail me odhgies. --- Nikos Kokras XFMail 30-Sep-98 16:10:18 Immortality consists largely of boredom. -- Zefrem Cochrane, "Metamorphosis", stardate 3219.8 From bcostas at hol.gr Wed Sep 30 18:06:10 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:06:10 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 References: Message-ID: <361248E1.109A@hol.gr> Nikos Kokras wrote: > > On 30-Sep-98 Costas wrote: > > Ante > > loipon na to vgaloyme apo twra. > > > > Filika, > > Costas Barakitis > > A, oxi twra diafwnw egw. 8a perimenoume na anagnwristoume epishma, na > mas dwsei sygxarhthria o dikasths, na kanoume de3iwsh, na teleiwsei h > de3iwsh kai meta 8a khry3oume proeklogikh periodo diarkeias 60 hmerwn. > Meta 8a ginoun ekloges kai ama den ypar3ei apolyth pleiopshfia 8a ginei > epanalhptikos gyros meta apo 1 mhna. Apopseis einai aytes. Apla me toys ry6moys poy pame twra 6a er6ei Dekevrhs kai meta logw Xristoygennwn 6a pame mesa Genarh. Egw proswpika den exw kanena provlhma, apla elega oti afoy yparxoyn an6rwpoi poy prosferontai kai doyleia na ginei as kanoyme kati twra kai meta to syzhtame. Filika, Costas Barakitis. From kokni at eexi.gr Wed Sep 30 17:20:31 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:20:31 +0300 (EEST) Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 In-Reply-To: <361248E1.109A@hol.gr> Message-ID: On 30-Sep-98 Costas wrote: > Nikos Kokras wrote: > Apopseis einai aytes. Apla me toys ry6moys poy pame xmmm, isws den katalabes oti kanw plaka. Eimai apo tous prwtous pou "brizoun" edw mesa gia to ry8mous dhmosioy pou akolou8oume --- Nikos Kokras XFMail 30-Sep-98 17:19:18 If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. -- Mark Twain From bcostas at hol.gr Wed Sep 30 18:50:31 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:50:31 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 References: Message-ID: <36125347.328B@hol.gr> Nikos Kokras wrote: > > On 30-Sep-98 Costas wrote: > > Nikos Kokras wrote: > > Apopseis einai aytes. Apla me toys ry6moys poy pame > > xmmm, isws den katalabes oti kanw plaka. Eimai apo tous prwtous pou > "brizoun" edw mesa gia to ry8mous dhmosioy pou akolou8oume Mwre katalava, apla opws kai esy moy thn exei dwsei poy toso kairo den kanoyme tipota. Kai den mporw na katalavw ti 6a pei "eklegmeno" DS. Afoy exei katate6ei h aithsh dhmioyrgias ola ta alla einai leptomereies. Kai opws mas enhmerwse o Evripidhs oi diadikasies epishmopoihss exoyn dromologh6ei opote sto diko moy to kefali eimaste etoimoi. Anyway, perimenw na akoysw kai tis apopseis twn ypoloipwn. > > If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. > -- Mark Twain From fm94 at freemail.gr Wed Sep 30 22:06:06 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:06:06 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Pres.. SQL SERVER In-Reply-To: <36125347.328B@hol.gr> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980930210606.007e3880@teemail.tee.gr> At 05:50 ?? 30/9/1998 +0200, you wrote: pera apo ta dikamas grafiokratika to minima toy papakosta vazei kai alo ena 8ema afto tis protasis tis Altera gia ton SQL server gia mena to zitima metati8ete sto kata poso dexomaste to commercial software alios den vlepo kanenan alo logo gia na min dextoume (ektos isos apo tin ipotipodi emesi diafimisi pou 8a ginei gia ftous meso tou hellug) ego katava8os den 8a i8ela na proo8oyme commercial software otan iparxoun kales lisis se free apo tin ali omos i protasi apo mia eliniki eteria pou paragei software kai gia linux ine deleastiki.. pernontas ipopsi tin katastasi stin ellada nomizo oti 8a prepei na apodextoume tin protasi.. Ean imoun amerikanos pi8anotata 8a diafonousa.. ala stin ellada ta pragmata ine elafros diaforetika :-)) kalo 8a itan na 8esoume tis apopsis mas pano se afto to zitima tou commercial software opote otan telika lisoyme ta grafiokratika provlimata mas na imaste se 8esi na apantisoume Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Sep 30 21:07:38 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:07:38 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 References: Message-ID: <3612736A.D57F1879@ametro.gr> > P.S. Evripidi, ftanw A8hna aurio gyrw stis 1:30 (Pedio Arews). Pws 8a > bre8oume gia ta "dika" mas ? Steile mail me odhgies. > --- pare mexri tis 5:00 sto 6792113 (douleia) na ta poume tilefonika. Evripidis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Sep 30 21:16:28 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:16:28 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Pres.. SQL SERVER References: <3.0.5.32.19980930210606.007e3880@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <3612757C.D881D6F4@ametro.gr> > ego katava8os den 8a i8ela na proo8oyme commercial software otan iparxoun > kales lisis se free > apo tin ali omos i protasi apo mia eliniki eteria pou paragei software kai > gia linux ine deleastiki.. pernontas ipopsi tin katastasi stin ellada > nomizo oti 8a prepei na apodextoume tin protasi.. > Ean imoun amerikanos pi8anotata 8a diafonousa.. ala stin ellada ta pragmata > ine elafros diaforetika :-)) koita, safos kai den xreiazetai na girisoume tis vaseis mas, to mellontiko site mas se Altera klp, tha borousame omos an kai otan deiksoume efarmoges na tin diksoume se ektheseis, na mirasoume filladia tis kai tetoia. Tha borousame na tous filoksenisoume p.x. sto magaz me diko tous arthro gia tin vasi tous, na steiloume stin users list tin selida tous gia opoion endiaferetai, na tous exoume link i otidipote tetoio. Den nomizo pos emeis tha xathoume xoris aftous oute kai to antitheto (afto einai pio sigouro). Alla den einai anagi na eimaste komplexikoi enanti kathe software epi pliromi (oi anthropoi exoun kai oikogeneies ektos apo meraki kai apla apofasisan na prospathisoun na zisoun apo to Linux pou tous aresei kiolas). Ego eimai poli xaroumenos pou iparxei sybase kai oracle kai corel klp kai akoma perissotero pou iparxoun 10 psixastheneis ellines pou vgazoun kati kai gia Linux. Etsi pistevo pos niothoume oloi, opote den nomizo pos tithete thema an tha kata-dextoume na paroume mia kopia tis vasis tous kai na poume dio kouventes gia aftous kai mazi me aftous. Isos kai na theloun na einai meli.... Pantos kapoios tha prepei na milisei mazi tous gia ola afta, os ekprosopos mas, afou apofasisoume ti stasi kratame. Peri eklogon, oraia ola afta kai kammia antirrisi kai vevaios na viastoume (ti diaforetiko perimenate na akousete apo emena?) alla kapoios prepei kai na tis organosei. Opote ... afou simfonisoume oloi pos nai na kanoume, as prosferthei kapoios na mas valei sti diadikasia. Evripidis From mkabrian at acropolis.net Thu Oct 1 01:40:33 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:40:33 -0000 (GMT) Subject: ALPHA Pres.. SQL SERVER In-Reply-To: <3612757C.D881D6F4@ametro.gr> Message-ID: Symfono me ton Eyripidi sta peri Altera (etsi, gia na min leme kai polla) > > Peri eklogon, oraia ola afta kai kammia antirrisi kai vevaios na > viastoume (ti diaforetiko perimenate na akousete apo emena?) alla > kapoios prepei kai na tis organosei. Opote ... afou simfonisoume oloi > pos nai na kanoume, as prosferthei kapoios na mas valei sti diadikasia. > > Evripidis Malista. Symfonisame 5 atoma: Evripidis, Mavrogiannopoulos, Barakitis, Kokras ki egw. Ante me tin Boula mesa 6. Den pistevw kan oti tha ftasoume ta 10, alla an ta ftasoume egw analambanw tin PSEYTO orghanwsi (kai tonizo to PSEYTO)... Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From fm94 at freemail.gr Thu Oct 1 01:02:20 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:02:20 +0200 Subject: ALPHA Pres.. SQL SERVER In-Reply-To: References: <3612757C.D881D6F4@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981001000220.00820200@teemail.tee.gr> At 10:40 ?? 30/9/1998 -0000, you wrote: >Symfono me ton Eyripidi sta peri Altera (etsi, gia na min leme kai polla) >> >> Peri eklogon, oraia ola afta kai kammia antirrisi kai vevaios na >> viastoume (ti diaforetiko perimenate na akousete apo emena?) alla >> kapoios prepei kai na tis organosei. Opote ... afou simfonisoume oloi >> pos nai na kanoume, as prosferthei kapoios na mas valei sti diadikasia. >> >> Evripidis > >Malista. Symfonisame 5 atoma: >Evripidis, Mavrogiannopoulos, Barakitis, Kokras ki egw. Ante me tin Boula mesa >6. Den pistevw kan oti tha ftasoume ta 10, alla an ta ftasoume egw analambanw >tin PSEYTO orghanwsi (kai tonizo to PSEYTO)... > Ante pali mou to girisate to thread stis ekloges :-) kai go simfono ante na telionoume me tin noveklatoura... kai na psifisoume fanera na 3emperdevoume ama mpei se litourgia to mixanima tin psaxnoume gia e3izitimena kolpa gia tin die3agogi eklogon.. Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From sbolis at usa.net Thu Oct 1 17:26:13 1998 From: sbolis at usa.net (Spiros Bolis) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:26:13 +0200 Subject: Peri eklogwn (was Re: ALPHA Pres.. SQL SERVER) In-Reply-To: References: <3612757C.D881D6F4@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <199810011320.QAA22519@delphi.gunet.gr> >Malista. Symfonisame 5 atoma: >Evripidis, Mavrogiannopoulos, Barakitis, Kokras ki egw. Ante me tin Boula mesa >6. Den pistevw kan oti tha ftasoume ta 10, alla an ta ftasoume egw analambanw >tin PSEYTO orghanwsi (kai tonizo to PSEYTO)... > >Michalis Kabrianis >mkabrian at acropolis.gr Den 3erw ti kathestws isxyei gia mena (epeidh irtha teleytaios kai den eimai apo ta idrytika melh) alla nomizw pws einai xrhsimo na yparxoyn kapoioi poy na kanoyn tis synennohseis (an thelete toys vaftizoyme kai DS ). Pantws an exei varythta h gnwmh moy lew "Voyrrrrr" Koinws Michali, psaxnoyme gia alloys 4 (mexri toys 10 ) :-) Spiros D. Bolis From yang at acropolis.net Thu Oct 1 18:43:45 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:43:45 +0300 Subject: Ekloges References: <3612757C.D881D6F4@ametro.gr> <3.0.5.32.19981001000220.00820200@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <3613A331.D5B24668@acropolis.net> Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > At 10:40 ?? 30/9/1998 -0000, you wrote: > >Symfono me ton Eyripidi sta peri Altera (etsi, gia na min leme kai polla) > >> > >> Peri eklogon, oraia ola afta kai kammia antirrisi kai vevaios na > >> viastoume (ti diaforetiko perimenate na akousete apo emena?) alla > >> kapoios prepei kai na tis organosei. Opote ... afou simfonisoume oloi > >> pos nai na kanoume, as prosferthei kapoios na mas valei sti diadikasia. > >> > >> Evripidis > > > >Malista. Symfonisame 5 atoma: > >Evripidis, Mavrogiannopoulos, Barakitis, Kokras ki egw. Ante me tin Boula > mesa > >6. Den pistevw kan oti tha ftasoume ta 10, alla an ta ftasoume egw > analambanw > >tin PSEYTO orghanwsi (kai tonizo to PSEYTO)... > > > > > kai go simfono ante na telionoume me tin noveklatoura... > > kai na psifisoume fanera na 3emperdevoume > ama mpei se litourgia to mixanima tin psaxnoume gia e3izitimena kolpa > gia tin die3agogi eklogon.. > > Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr > Kanena problhma......... Ante na kanoyme kai kamia arxh......... Yannis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Oct 1 19:09:17 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:09:17 +0200 Subject: Ekloges References: <3612757C.D881D6F4@ametro.gr> <3.0.5.32.19981001000220.00820200@teemail.tee.gr> <3613A331.D5B24668@acropolis.net> Message-ID: <3613A92D.4CC3A919@ametro.gr> kai o panayotis o vryonis leei mesa se ekloges. From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Fri Oct 2 10:49:03 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:49:03 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?=C1=D0=3A_Ekloges_=3CWas=3ARe=3AALPHA_Pres=2E=2E?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?__SQL_SERVER=3E?= Message-ID: > kai o panayotis o vryonis leei mesa se ekloges. > Me too! :-) > > T. > From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Oct 2 10:03:03 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:03:03 +0300 Subject: Dia tafta References: Message-ID: <36147AA7.65D465DF@ametro.gr> Nomizo oti arketoi leme nai gia ekloges. Tora irthe i ora pou o filos mas o Kabrianis <:-o (sorry alla ta'theles kai ta'pathes) tha mas pei pos na tis kanoume kai pote ... Evripidis. From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Fri Oct 2 13:27:49 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:27:49 GMT Subject: Dia tafta Message-ID: <199810021027.KAA11802@mk.aua.gr> > Nomizo oti arketoi leme nai gia ekloges. Gia na doume: Papakostas, Sanida, Vryonis, Soldatos, Bolis, Kokras, Barakitis, Kabrianis, Mavrogiannopoulos, Gyftomitros, Maistrelis Emena mou kanei 11. An afairesoume ton Boli pou den einai sta idrytika meli (sorry Spyro) mou bgainoun 10. Ta idrytika meli einai 23. Sygnommi alla proteino na ginoume 12 prwta kai meta proxwrame. Apla kai mono gia na eimaste pleiopsifia twn melwn. PS. To oti o Bolis den metraei stin 23ada, den simainei oti den symmetexei stis ekloges, kath'oiondipote tropo. Episis, tha epikoinonisw me osous exoun ekdislosei endiaferon symmetoxis sto Hellug (an den kanw lathos alloi 4 einai) gia na tous enimerosos, na pseytograftoun kai na mporoun na psifisoun. Alla ola ayta, mono afou exoume tin pleiopsifia tis 23adas. Ayta apo mena. An pali protimate na proxorisoume oi 10 aytoi (pou ego to blepw lathos) exei kalws, edw eimai... Michalis kabrianis From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Fri Oct 2 10:42:00 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:42:00 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Dia tafta In-Reply-To: <199810021027.KAA11802@mk.aua.gr> from Mixalis Kabrianis at "Oct 2, 98 10:27:49 am" Message-ID: <199810020742.KAA11836@hpc.ntua.gr> > > Nomizo oti arketoi leme nai gia ekloges. > > Gia na doume: > Papakostas, Sanida, Vryonis, Soldatos, Bolis, Kokras, Barakitis, Kabrianis, > Mavrogiannopoulos, Gyftomitros, Maistrelis > Emena mou kanei 11. An afairesoume ton Boli pou den einai sta idrytika meli > (sorry Spyro) mou bgainoun 10. Ta idrytika meli einai 23. Sygnommi alla proteino > na ginoume 12 prwta kai meta proxwrame. > Apla kai mono gia na eimaste pleiopsifia twn melwn. Symfvnv kai egv gia ekloges (elpizv na eimai idrytiko melos) Sygnvmh poy den symmetexv energa teleytaia, alla pisteyv oti meta ta mesa toy Oktvbrioy kai kyrivs apo Noembrio, ua exv parei ptyxio kai ua eimai metaptyxiakos kai de ua exv mia diplvmatikh na teleivsv, opote kai ua exv eleyuero xrono! Bye, Antonis -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Antonios Kavarnos (Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr) National Technical University of Athens ...born to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From kremidas at lrf.gr Fri Oct 2 13:10:10 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:10:10 +0000 Subject: Dia tafta In-Reply-To: <199810021027.KAA11802@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <199810021812.LAA23050@www.lrf.gr> Mesa kai gw Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Oct 2 11:47:56 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:47:56 +0300 Subject: Dia tafta References: <199810021027.KAA11802@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <3614933C.ABFF1AA1@ametro.gr> Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > > > Nomizo oti arketoi leme nai gia ekloges. > > Gia na doume: > Papakostas, Sanida, Vryonis, Soldatos, Bolis, Kokras, Barakitis, Kabrianis, Mavrogiannopoulos, Gyftomitros, Maistrelis, Kremmidas, Kavarnos 13 (i 12 xoris ton Boli) ftou kai vgaino :-) From roryt at hol.gr Fri Oct 2 11:37:06 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:37:06 +0300 Subject: Ekloges Message-ID: <199810020844.LAA09882@mail.hol.gr> Kai egw simfono. (kai as mhn exw megalh dynatothta na sas bohthiso aytes tis hmeres - allaksa spiti kai den exw sindesi me internet akomh) I.Ioannou ---------- > From: Σολδάτος Θοδωρής > To: 'hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr' > Subject: ΑΠ: Ekloges > Date: Παρασκευή, 2 Οκτωβρίου 1998 10:49 πμ > > > kai o panayotis o vryonis leei mesa se ekloges. > > > Me too! :-) > > > > T. > > From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Oct 2 12:53:32 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:53:32 +0300 Subject: Kateftase kai to ippiko Message-ID: <3614A29C.46D72706@ametro.gr> o Kokras mas edose kai ton Cyrix 166, 64MB kai etsi to to-be mixanima mas anavathmizetai. na kanoume tis ekloges mas na doume ti tha to kanoume kai afto! Evripidis From mkab at forthnet.gr Fri Oct 2 15:59:04 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:59:04 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Ekloges Message-ID: O.k. o.k me peisate :-) Loipon, proteinw na akolouthithei i exis diadikasia: 1. Prokyriksi eklogwn me anakoinwsi se listes hellug kai linux-greek-users 2. Dikaioma symmetoxis exoun ola ta meli tou hellug. Osoi den einai akoma meli tou hellug (kai einai apolyta logiko na min einai arketoi afou den kaname eggrafes akoma) tha eggrafoun ston syllogo (tha dosoun lefta diladi ston prosorino tamia) kai tha exoun dikaioma tou eklegein kai to eklegesthai. 3. Gia logous ELAXISTIS isonomias twn melwn, proteinw to xronodiagramma: Paraskevi 2/9/98 Prokyriksi eklogwn (diladi anakoinwsi) Sabbato 3/9/98 - Triti 6/9/98 Ypoboli ypopsifiotiton. Tetarti 7/9/98 - Pempti 8/9/98 Psifoforia (5 epiloges ana psifoforo, kata to katastatiko mas). H psifoforia tha einai ANOIXTI, me mail stin Hellug. Eforeytiki epitropi Afou i psifoforia tha einai anoixti, analambanw egw na athroisw tis psifous. Profanws den tithetai thema amfisbitisis tou apotelesmatos afou oloi tha exoun tis psifous sta xeria tous. Paraskevi 9/9/98 Prwti DIMOSIA synedriasi tou DS mesw tis HELLUG gia diamoirasmo thesewn Sabbato 9/9/98 - Triti 12/9/98 Paradosi apo to prosorino DS sto eklegmeno (tameio, dimosies sxeseis klp) Tetarti 13/9/98 As apofasisei to DS apo dw kai pera :-) 4. Perimenw enstaseis - diorthoseis - parapona - idees gia na steilw mail kai stin linux-greek-users. Eyxaristw olous gia tin synergasia, ek twn proterwn. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Oct 2 13:26:49 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:26:49 +0300 Subject: Ekloges References: Message-ID: <3614AA69.1079F63A@ametro.gr> No comments. Kat'eme mia xara eisai. Steile. Evripidis From kokni at eexi.gr Fri Oct 2 19:12:04 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:12:04 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Ekloges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > Tetarti 13/9/98 As apofasisei to DS apo dw kai pera :-) Tromara sou, toses fores to egrapses !!. Septembrio mwre ? Elpizw na mhn metrhseis kai tis pshfous etsi !!! (plaka kanw, mhn arpaxteis) Sobara twra, h gnwmh mou 8a htan na pshfisoun ta "idrytika" melh giati texnikws auto einai to swsto. Kata ta alla symfwnw se ola, ante kai me to kalo. Alla mou kanei entypwsh giati apo 23 arxika melh symfwnhsan mono ta 13. Aplws kai mono san parathrhsh auto Filika Nikos Kokras From bcostas at hol.gr Sat Oct 3 00:22:46 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:22:46 -0700 Subject: Ekloges References: Message-ID: <36154426.1C114365@hol.gr> Kokras Nikolaos wrote: > On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > > > Tetarti 13/9/98 As apofasisei to DS apo dw kai pera :-) > > Tromara sou, toses fores to egrapses !!. Septembrio mwre ? Elpizw na mhn > metrhseis kai tis pshfous etsi !!! (plaka kanw, mhn arpaxteis) > > Sobara twra, h gnwmh mou 8a htan na pshfisoun ta "idrytika" melh giati > texnikws auto einai to swsto. > > Kata ta alla symfwnw se ola, ante kai me to kalo. > > Alla mou kanei entypwsh giati apo 23 arxika melh symfwnhsan mono ta 13. > Aplws kai mono san parathrhsh auto Giati oi ypoloipoi eite den endiaferontai eite den exoyn enhmerw6ei, proswpika ypo6etw oti isxyei to deytero. From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Fri Oct 2 15:13:07 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:13:07 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Ekloges In-Reply-To: from Michalis Kabrianis at "Oct 2, 98 12:59:04 pm" Message-ID: <199810021213.PAA14432@hpc.ntua.gr> > O.k. o.k me peisate :-) > > Loipon, proteinw na akolouthithei i exis diadikasia: > > 1. Prokyriksi eklogwn me anakoinwsi se listes hellug kai linux-greek-users > 2. Dikaioma symmetoxis exoun ola ta meli tou hellug. Osoi den einai akoma meli > tou hellug (kai einai apolyta logiko na min einai arketoi afou den kaname > eggrafes akoma) tha eggrafoun ston syllogo (tha dosoun lefta diladi ston > prosorino tamia) kai tha exoun dikaioma tou eklegein kai to eklegesthai. > 3. Gia logous ELAXISTIS isonomias twn melwn, proteinw to xronodiagramma: > > Paraskevi 2/9/98 Prokyriksi eklogwn (diladi anakoinwsi) ^^^^^^ Epeidh den exv kataferei akomh na pav pisv sto xrono me to linux moy, ua proteimoysa ola ayta na ginoyn ton Oktvbrio (10o mhna) :-) Sygxarhthria gia thn prvtoboylia! > Sabbato 3/9/98 - Triti 6/9/98 Ypoboli ypopsifiotiton. > Tetarti 7/9/98 - Pempti 8/9/98 Psifoforia (5 epiloges ana psifoforo, > kata to katastatiko mas). H psifoforia > tha einai ANOIXTI, me mail stin Hellug. > Eforeytiki epitropi Afou i psifoforia tha einai anoixti, > analambanw egw na athroisw tis psifous. > Profanws den tithetai thema > amfisbitisis tou apotelesmatos afou oloi > tha exoun tis psifous sta xeria tous. > Paraskevi 9/9/98 Prwti DIMOSIA synedriasi tou DS mesw > tis HELLUG gia diamoirasmo thesewn > Sabbato 9/9/98 - Triti 12/9/98 Paradosi apo to prosorino DS sto > eklegmeno (tameio, dimosies sxeseis klp) > > Tetarti 13/9/98 As apofasisei to DS apo dw kai pera :-) Bye, Antonis -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Antonios Kavarnos (Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr) National Technical University of Athens ...born to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From flouris at csi.forth.gr Fri Oct 2 15:54:11 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:54:11 +0300 Subject: Ekloges References: <36154426.1C114365@hol.gr> Message-ID: <3614CCF3.2724787C@ics.forth.gr> Costas wrote: > > Alla mou kanei entypwsh giati apo 23 arxika melh symfwnhsan mono ta 13. > > Aplws kai mono san parathrhsh auto > > Giati oi ypoloipoi eite den endiaferontai eite den exoyn enhmerw6ei, proswpika > ypo6etw oti isxyei to deytero. Loipon ki egw synfwnw gia tis ekloges, ki as arghsa ligo ... Mike & From flouris at csi.forth.gr Fri Oct 2 15:58:13 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:58:13 +0300 Subject: Ekloges References: Message-ID: <3614CDE5.71FFE8BF@ics.forth.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Paraskevi 2/9/98 Prokyriksi eklogwn (diladi anakoinwsi) > Sabbato 3/9/98 - Triti 6/9/98 Ypoboli ypopsifiotiton. > Tetarti 7/9/98 - Pempti 8/9/98 Psifoforia (5 epiloges ana psifoforo, > kata to katastatiko mas). H psifoforia > tha einai ANOIXTI, me mail stin Hellug. Kala kai pote tha einai h proeklogikh periodos ? Den tha exoyme sygkentrwseis, logoys, yposxeseis ktl ? Emeis dhladh poy den gnwrizoyme toys ypopshfioys para mono mesw twn emails stis listes, pws tha pshfisoyme ? Proteinw kathe ypopshfios na stelnei ena mail me to programma toy :) Mike & From bcostas at hol.gr Sat Oct 3 02:35:19 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 16:35:19 -0700 Subject: Ekloges References: <3614CDE5.71FFE8BF@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: <36156337.C96064F@hol.gr> Mike Flouris wrote: > Kala kai pote tha einai h proeklogikh periodos ? > Den tha exoyme sygkentrwseis, logoys, yposxeseis ktl ? Kerasmata ??? > Proteinw kathe ypopshfios na stelnei ena mail me to > programma toy :) > As steilei kai kana montelo mazi me to mail ;-)))) From futurekids at fkamaliada.gr Fri Oct 2 18:34:22 1998 From: futurekids at fkamaliada.gr (FUTUREKIDS Amaliada) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:34:22 +0300 Subject: Dia tafta References: <199810021027.KAA11802@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <3614F27E.4909E34C@fkamaliada.gr> Mixalis Kabrianis wrote: > Gia na doume: > Papakostas, Sanida, Vryonis, Soldatos, Bolis, Kokras, Barakitis, Kabrianis, > Mavrogiannopoulos, Gyftomitros, Maistrelis > Emena mou kanei 11. An afairesoume ton Boli pou den einai sta idrytika meli (sorry Spyro) mou bgainoun 10. Ta > idrytika meli einai 23. Sygnommi alla proteino na ginoume 12 prwta kai meta proxwrame. > Apla kai mono gia na eimaste pleiopsifia twn melwn. Balte me ki emena s'osoys symfwnoyn gia ekloges. Exw mplejei poly me tis doyleies (eggrafes ktl) kai den proftainw, alla na mhn ka8ysteroyme. Xrst. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Fri Oct 2 19:23:40 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 19:23:40 +0300 Subject: Ekloges References: Message-ID: <3614FE0C.B221ACEA@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Symfono apolytvs me tis ekloges kai to programma tvn ekdhlvsevn ( !! ). Ante na arxisei o syllogow na drasthriopoieitai. Arketa kathisame. Yannis From axrst at fkamaliada.gr Fri Oct 2 19:22:20 1998 From: axrst at fkamaliada.gr (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:22:20 +0300 Subject: Mhnyma asxeto me ekloges ! Message-ID: Etsi gia na allajei to klima, na sas pw th diadosh toy linux sthn Amaliada :-) Kat'arxhn ejw apo ta futurekids stis epigrafes sta tzamia mazi me Visual Basic, Corel , Winblowz, leei oti didaskomen kai Linux (tromara mas)! Toylaxiston etsi ginetai gnwsto to onoma ston asxeto kosmo.... Epishs mesa yparxei ena linux mhxanhma (Server) to opoio bgazei ta win98 mhxanhmata (7) sto internet, prosferei apeira pop3 e-mails stoys ma8htes mas, kai alla polla. Genika exw "parasyrei" 5-6 atoma sto "amarthma" toy linux kai mporei 2-3 na epimeinoyn ;-) Xrst. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Fri Oct 2 23:39:34 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:39:34 -0000 (GMT) Subject: EKLOGES HELLUG Message-ID: Kyries kai kyrioi, katopin symfonis gnomis tis pleiopsifias twn idrytikwvn melwvn tou HELLUG, o syllogos proxwraei se ekloges proswrinou DS, diarkeias mexri tin episimopoiisi tou syllogou. To programma exei os eksis: Paraskevi 2/10/98 Prokyriksi eklogwn (diladi anakoinwsi) Sabbato 3/10/98 - Triti 6/10/98 Ypoboli ypopsifiotiton, me e-mail stin lista hellug Tetarti 7/10/98 - Pempti 8/10/98 Psifoforia (5 epiloges ana psifoforo, kata to katastatiko mas). H psifoforia tha einai ANOIXTI, me mail stin Hellug. Eforeytiki epitropi Afou i psifoforia tha einai anoixti, analambanw egw na athroisw tis psifous. Profanws den tithetai thema amfisbitisis tou apotelesmatos afou oloi tha exoun tis psifous sta xeria tous. Paraskevi 9/10/98 Prwti DIMOSIA synedriasi tou DS mesw tis HELLUG gia diamoirasmo thesewn Sabbato 9/10/98 - Triti 12/10/98 Paradosi apo to prosorino DS sto eklegmeno (tameio, dimosies sxeseis klp) Tetarti 13/10/98 As apofasisei to DS apo dw kai pera :-) Dieykriniseis: 1. Dikaioma symmetoxis eite os eklogeis i os ypopsifioi exoun ola ta meli tou hellug. 2. Osoi den einai akoma meli tou hellug (kai einai apolyta logiko na einai arketoi afou den kaname eggrafes akoma) tha eggrafoun ston syllogo (tha dosoun lefta diladi ston prosorino tamia) kai tha exoun dikaioma tou eklegein kai to eklegesthai. 3. Gia eggrafes, plirofories sta mails: epapakostas at ametro.gr kai mkabrian at acropolis.gr 4. Oi imeres pou oristikan os imeres ypobolis ypopsifiotiton kai imeres psifoforias, arxizoun stis 1.00 pro mesimbrias, kai teleionoun stis 11.00 meta mesimbrias (ores elladas). Osa mails DEN staloun se ayta ta xronika perithoria theorountai akyra. 5. Ta apotelesmata tha anakoinothoun tin Pempti 8/10/98 stis 12 ta mesanyxta (na prolaboume na ta "mageirepsoume" kiolas) 6. Enstaseis epi tis diadikasias DEN ginontai dektes, giati exei idi tethei to thema stin lista HELLUG. 7. Enstaseis epi ton apotelesmatwn GINONTAI dektes, arkei na einai tekmiriomenes. 8. Oi imerominies anaferontai ston Oktwbrio 98 kai osoi diabasan Septembrio, den katalaban oti xarin tis proeklogikis periodou ayto itan mia yposxesi (proeklogiki). THA SAS KANW NEWTEROUS!!! Eyxaristw olous gia tin synergasia, ek twn proterwn. Gia to (anepisimo akoma) Hellug Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From bcostas at hol.gr Fri Oct 2 23:26:58 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:26:58 +0300 Subject: EKLOGES HELLUG References: Message-ID: <36153712.20A9953A@hol.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Kyries kai kyrioi, > katopin symfonis gnomis tis pleiopsifias twn idrytikwvn melwvn tou HELLUG, o > syllogos proxwraei se ekloges proswrinou DS, diarkeias mexri tin episimopoiisi > tou syllogou. > > To programma exei os eksis: > > Paraskevi 2/10/98 Prokyriksi eklogwn (diladi anakoinwsi) > Sabbato 3/10/98 - Triti 6/10/98 Ypoboli ypopsifiotiton, me e-mail stin > lista hellug Miso lepto giati exasa ena epeisodio. Gia na te6oyn ypopshfiothtes den prepei na koinopoih6oyn kai oi 6eseis? Gia ti pragma 6a pshfhsoyme, gia proedro, gia gramatea, gia ypef6yno public relations (to zoymi kat'eme), gia oikonomiko diaxeiristh ktl. Den prepei na proka6orisoyme ti psaxoyme, osoi exoyn empeiria apo analoges peristaseis as tiw kata6esoyn. 'H mhpws 6a pame anapoda, dhladh 6a ekleksoyme 5 an6rwpoys kai meta 6a "vgaloyn ta matia" toys na orisoyn armodiothtes. Proswpika den exw antirhsh se opoiadhpote periptwsh apla 6a h6ela na kseka6aristei ek twn proterwn. Filika, Costas Barakitis. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Sat Oct 3 02:40:57 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:40:57 -0000 (GMT) Subject: EKLOGES HELLUG In-Reply-To: <36153712.20A9953A@hol.gr> Message-ID: > > Miso lepto giati exasa ena epeisodio. Gia na te6oyn ypopshfiothtes den prepei > na > koinopoih6oyn kai oi 6eseis? Gia ti pragma 6a pshfhsoyme, gia proedro, gia > gramatea, > gia ypef6yno public relations (to zoymi kat'eme), gia oikonomiko diaxeiristh > ktl. > Den prepei na proka6orisoyme ti psaxoyme, osoi exoyn empeiria apo analoges > peristaseis as tiw kata6esoyn. > > 'H mhpws 6a pame anapoda, dhladh 6a ekleksoyme 5 an6rwpoys kai meta 6a > "vgaloyn ta > matia" toys na orisoyn armodiothtes. Proswpika den exw antirhsh se > opoiadhpote > periptwsh apla 6a h6ela na kseka6aristei ek twn proterwn. > To synithes einai ayto. Bgainoun 5 atoma kai moirazoun tis armodiotites metaxy tous. Etsi, o kathenas kanei ayto pou nomizei kalytera (an ta broun bebaia). :-) > Filika, > Costas Barakitis. Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From vrypan at mailbox.gr Fri Oct 2 20:37:34 1998 From: vrypan at mailbox.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:37:34 +0300 Subject: Ekloges References: Message-ID: <36150F5E.A6F56395@mailbox.gr> Symfwnw kai egw. Panayotis Vryonis. Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > O.k. o.k me peisate :-) > > Loipon, proteinw na akolouthithei i exis diadikasia: > > 1. Prokyriksi eklogwn me anakoinwsi se listes hellug kai linux-greek-users > 2. Dikaioma symmetoxis exoun ola ta meli tou hellug. Osoi den einai akoma meli > tou hellug (kai einai apolyta logiko na min einai arketoi afou den kaname > eggrafes akoma) tha eggrafoun ston syllogo (tha dosoun lefta diladi ston > prosorino tamia) kai tha exoun dikaioma tou eklegein kai to eklegesthai. > 3. Gia logous ELAXISTIS isonomias twn melwn, proteinw to xronodiagramma: > > Paraskevi 2/9/98 Prokyriksi eklogwn (diladi anakoinwsi) > Sabbato 3/9/98 - Triti 6/9/98 Ypoboli ypopsifiotiton. > Tetarti 7/9/98 - Pempti 8/9/98 Psifoforia (5 epiloges ana psifoforo, > kata to katastatiko mas). H psifoforia > tha einai ANOIXTI, me mail stin Hellug. > Eforeytiki epitropi Afou i psifoforia tha einai anoixti, > analambanw egw na athroisw tis psifous. > Profanws den tithetai thema > amfisbitisis tou apotelesmatos afou oloi > tha exoun tis psifous sta xeria tous. > Paraskevi 9/9/98 Prwti DIMOSIA synedriasi tou DS mesw > tis HELLUG gia diamoirasmo thesewn > Sabbato 9/9/98 - Triti 12/9/98 Paradosi apo to prosorino DS sto > eklegmeno (tameio, dimosies sxeseis klp) > > Tetarti 13/9/98 As apofasisei to DS apo dw kai pera :-) > > 4. Perimenw enstaseis - diorthoseis - parapona - idees gia na steilw mail kai > stin linux-greek-users. > > Eyxaristw olous gia tin synergasia, ek twn proterwn. > > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis From exindari at math.upatras.gr Sat Oct 3 01:40:57 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 01:40:57 +0300 Subject: ALPHA Presentation #1 References: <3610D35B.B06E6303@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <36155679.6E998A28@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > exoun epafes me caldera na to dinoun stin commersial distribution tous > (opos i SuSe dinei ADABAS) klp. > exei transaction locking klp. > Fainetai dinati. H etaireia exei KATHE DIATHESI, na mas dosei free > license, na stisoume se mixanima mas, an vevaia kai emeis leme gia afti > tin evgeniki prosfora tous klp. Endiaferontai gia diafimisi opos einai > fisiko, kai opos kai emeis den tous exoume akousei, etsi kai aftoi den > kserane gia mas. Alla einai diatethimenoi tora pou milisame ligo na > kanoume kapoia sinergasia. > Emena moy fainetai kalh h idea. Basika einai isvw h kalyterh eykairia na akoystoyme kai ston ypoloipo kosmo, kai oxi apla kai mono na maw gnvrizoyme kapoioi poy asxoloyntai me Linux. Sto sto kato kato den yparxoyn kai polles oi ellinikes etaireiew poy asxolountai me to Linux kai nomizv oti san synolo deixnei mia sobarh paroysia. Den eimaste apo tiw megales epixeirhseiw gia na mhlisoyme gia jepoylhma ( !! ). Yannis From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Fri Oct 2 14:31:09 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:31:09 +0300 Subject: Ekloges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19981002143109.A749@crystal.i-net.gr> On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 12:59:04PM -0000, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > 2. Dikaioma symmetoxis exoun ola ta meli tou hellug. Osoi den einai akoma meli > tou hellug (kai einai apolyta logiko na min einai arketoi afou den kaname > eggrafes akoma) tha eggrafoun ston syllogo (tha dosoun lefta diladi ston > prosorino tamia) kai tha exoun dikaioma tou eklegein kai to eklegesthai. Auto to brisko typika kai ousiastika lathos. Den mporei 5-10 meres prin tis ekloges na ginontai eggrafes newn melwn me dikaiwma psifou. (stin xeiroteri periptosi mporei kapoios na ferei filous tou na eggrafoune gia na ton psifisoune, oxi oti tha ginei, alla prepei na to exoume ypopsin mas). Nomizw pws prepei i na psifisoun ta idrytika meli h kalytera ola ta meli pou exoun eggrafei apo ton proigoumeno mina kai noritera. > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > FORTHnet Technical Department > mkab at forthnet.gr > ----------------------------- -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at i-net.paiko.gr finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at hermes.cc.uoi.gr From dbouras at hol.gr Sat Oct 3 15:32:50 1998 From: dbouras at hol.gr (Dimitrios P. Bouras) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 15:32:50 +0300 Subject: Ekloges References: Message-ID: <36161972.8B4CBF27@hol.gr> Kokras Nikolaos wrote: > > Alla mou kanei entypwsh giati apo 23 arxika melh symfwnhsan mono ta 13. Na pw oti pi0anws merikoi apo tous 10, san kai emena na exoun "pnigei" me diafora auton ton kairo :) kai to oti den apanthsan den shmainei oti den symfwnoun. Kamia antirhsh iswn katafash apo pleuras mou toulaxiston. Dhmhtrhs From mkabrian at acropolis.net Sat Oct 3 21:22:21 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:22:21 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Ekloges In-Reply-To: <19981002143109.A749@crystal.i-net.gr> Message-ID: On 02-Oct-98 Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 12:59:04PM -0000, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > >> 2. Dikaioma symmetoxis exoun ola ta meli tou hellug. Osoi den einai akoma >> meli >> tou hellug (kai einai apolyta logiko na min einai arketoi afou den kaname >> eggrafes akoma) tha eggrafoun ston syllogo (tha dosoun lefta diladi ston >> prosorino tamia) kai tha exoun dikaioma tou eklegein kai to eklegesthai. > > Auto to brisko typika kai ousiastika lathos. Den mporei 5-10 meres > prin tis ekloges na ginontai eggrafes newn melwn me dikaiwma psifou. > (stin xeiroteri periptosi mporei kapoios na ferei filous tou na > eggrafoune gia na ton psifisoune, oxi oti tha ginei, alla prepei > na to exoume ypopsin mas). > Nomizw pws prepei i na psifisoun ta idrytika meli h kalytera ola > ta meli pou exoun eggrafei apo ton proigoumeno mina kai noritera. > > -- > Nikos Mavroyanopoulos > nmav at i-net.paiko.gr > finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at hermes.cc.uoi.gr Sosta ta leei o Nikos, alla kai o allos Nikos (Kokras) pou eipe to idio pragma, opote paramenoume sta 23 meli pou einai grammena kai exoun ypograpsei to katastatiko. Sygnommi gia tin allagi, elpizw na min eixate "ypologisei" se tetoies psifous :-) Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From kokni at eexi.gr Sun Oct 4 16:23:10 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:23:10 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Po Message-ID: Kat'arxhn pio kalo paidaki 8a paei na dei ti ry8miseis 8elei o Cyrix 6x86L 166PR+ ? Ton eixa se ena mhxanhma diko mou gia sxedon 2 xronia kai den 8ymamai apo tote ti exei kanei. Ante mhn ton kapsei o Euripidis kai meinoume xwris CPU. Deuteron, peri eklogwn. Epeidh kapoioi apanthsan oti den exoun xrono (apolyta sebasto) kai epeidh to katastatiko leei oti *prepei* na enhmerwnontai OLOI, kalon 8a htan opoios exei mia lista me ta onomata oson symfwnhsan na mas pei apo poious den exoume akousei nea, gia na tous eidopoihsoume PRWSOPIKA. 8a htan lyphro na er8ei kapoios meta kai na pei "egw den to ema8a kai h8ela na symmetasxw". Triton, oson afora thn etaireia pou ftiaxnei thn database kai gia linux. Nomizw oti h stash mas apentanti se kerdoskopikes -fysika- etaireies 8a prepei na einai apo ta amesa 8emata pros syzhthsh amesws meta tis ekloges. IMHO mporei na ypar3oun diafwnies (p.x. diafwnw se kapoia shmeia opws to free license gia dikh mas xrhsh). 8a xreiastei synepws na lhf8oun apofaseis katopin syzhthsews. Wstoso, akribws epeidh ekremoun ekloges kai epeidh fobamai mhpws "kaei" to 8ema en mesw "proeklogikhs periodou" (mpliax) mhpws 8a htan kalytera na pagwsoume to 8ema mexri ekloghs tou DS ? Filika, Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sun Oct 4 10:37:28 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:37:28 +0200 Subject: Po References: Message-ID: <361725B8.31AC64AC@ametro.gr> Kokras Nikolaos wrote: > > Kat'arxhn pio kalo paidaki 8a paei na dei ti ry8miseis 8elei o Cyrix 6x86L > 166PR+ ? Ton eixa se ena mhxanhma diko mou gia sxedon 2 xronia kai den > 8ymamai apo tote ti exei kanei. Ante mhn ton kapsei o Euripidis kai > meinoume xwris CPU. Apla oti einai o 166+, mou arkei. Giati me tin gigantopsiktra sou kollimeni apo pano, den iksere kaneis an einai o 150 i o 166 na valoume ena jamperaki. Ara tora exoume ena PC pou perilamvanei : AT kouti Cyrix 166+ (me tin super psiktra tou kokra) 64MB memory 1.8 Gbyte HDD 1 FDD 3.5 1 NE2000 card exoume episis spare enan 133, 32 MB memory, kai ena imidialimeno kouti. (an o Mixalis ta xreiazetai piso, borei na ta parei. To idio kai o Bolis). Tafta. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sun Oct 4 13:38:05 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:38:05 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Eggrafh sthn HELLUG] Message-ID: <3617500D.D8BD58E8@ametro.gr> Mou fainetai pos o Mixalis kapou kratage mia lista to-be members. Afton ton exeis ??? -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Gerassimos Toumazatos Subject: Eggrafh sthn HELLUG Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 13:35:12 +0300 Size: 1230 URL: From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Sun Oct 4 15:51:13 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:51:13 +0300 ( ) Subject: Ekloges In-Reply-To: <36161972.8B4CBF27@hol.gr> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Dimitrios P. Bouras wrote: > Na pw oti pi0anws merikoi apo tous 10, san kai emena na exoun "pnigei" > me diafora auton ton kairo :) kai to oti den apanthsan den shmainei oti > den symfwnoun. Kamia antirhsh iswn katafash apo pleuras mou toulaxiston. To idio gia emena kai ton Giwrgo Ker. , opou ayrio feygoyme gia Italia. Tha prospathisoume na parakolouthoume thn lista. Pistevw oti prepei na yparjei ena eylogo keno metajy ths ypobolhs twn ypopsifiothtwn kai thn psifoforias. Kata thn gnwmh moy einai shmantiko. Epishs, briskw logiko na mhn prosthesoume melh se ena syllogo me hdh eklegmeno DS, genika xwris dikaiwma psifou, giati meta mporei na katakrinoun thn proswrinh katastash. Opote oloi aytoi na mpoun molis ginei gnwsth h hmeronhia egkrishs toy syllogou kai neas pshfoforias. ciao +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From bcostas at hol.gr Sun Oct 4 16:58:51 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:58:51 +0300 Subject: Po References: <361725B8.31AC64AC@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <36177F1B.BFC2BD34@hol.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Ara tora exoume ena PC pou perilamvanei : > AT kouti > Cyrix 166+ (me tin super psiktra tou kokra) > 64MB memory > 1.8 Gbyte HDD > 1 FDD 3.5 > 1 NE2000 card Kai pws 6a to vaftisoyme??? From glavas at ceid.upatras.gr Sun Oct 4 18:00:05 1998 From: glavas at ceid.upatras.gr (Glavas Orestis) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:00:05 +0300 ( ) Subject: Ekloges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paidia, 8a symfvnhsv ki egv kai sto 8ema tou kenou metajy ypochfiothtvn kai eklogvn, alla kai sto 8ema ths mh pros8hkhs nevn melvn. Pisteyv oti einai genika poly nvris gia na pros8esoume melh, dedomenou oti den exoume akoma mia arketa kalh organvsh gi'ayto.... Orestis Glavas From mkabrian at acropolis.net Sun Oct 4 23:21:24 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:21:24 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fwd: Eggrafh sthn HELLUG] In-Reply-To: <3617500D.D8BD58E8@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 04-Oct-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Mou fainetai pos o Mixalis kapou kratage mia lista to-be members. > Afton ton exeis ??? Apo mia grigori matia pou eriksa DEN ton exo. Alla to onoma tou kati mou thymizei, opote min anisixeis, tha bro osa xreiazontai. Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Sun Oct 4 23:41:34 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:41:34 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Ekloges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fotis Georgatos: Pistevw oti prepei na yparjei ena eylogo keno metajy ths ypobolhs twn ypopsifiothtwn kai thn psifoforias. Kata thn gnwmh moy einai shmantiko. Glavas Orestis: Paidia, 8a symfvnhsv ki egv kai sto 8ema tou kenou metajy ypochfiothtvn kai eklogvn, alla kai sto 8ema ths mh pros8hkhs nevn melvn. Pisteyv oti einai genika poly nvris gia na pros8esoume melh, dedomenou oti den exoume akoma mia arketa kalh organvsh gi'ayto.... Prokyrixi eklogwn: 6. Enstaseis epi tis diadikasias DEN ginontai dektes, giati exei idi tethei to thema stin lista HELLUG. Ayto oson afora stis imerominies. An sas fainetai didaktoriko, oi imerominies exoun egkrithei OMOFWNA apo tin pleiopsifia twn idrytikwn melwn tou Hellug stin lista HELLUG :-) Oso gia tis nees eggrafes, epeidi ypirxan idi dyo antidraseis, PRIN tin prokyriksi twn eklogwn, to thema exei theorithei lixan. DEN tha ginoun eggrafes prin tis ekloges. Lypamai, to egrapsa kata lathos. Eilikrina pantws, pistevw oti kai na ypirxe ena "keno" metaksy ypopsifiotitwn kai psifoforias, tha boithouse mono tin yparxi "proeklogikis ekstrateias" pou nomizo oti gia ena toso mikris diarkeias zois D.S. einai mallon axristi. Den apagoreyei kaneis pantws na ypoblithoun ypopsifiotites simera Sabbato, kai mexri tin Tetarti pou tha arxisei i psifoforia na stelnetai "propagandistiko yliko" me spam-mails :-) Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Mon Oct 5 03:49:47 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 00:49:47 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Ekloges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > An sas fainetai didaktoriko, oi imerominies exoun egkrithei OMOFWNA apo tin > pleiopsifia twn idrytikwn melwn tou Hellug stin lista HELLUG :-) Ouf me ta greeklish. Diktatoriko ennousa (po po xalia...) Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 5 08:42:52 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:42:52 +0300 Subject: Po References: <361725B8.31AC64AC@ametro.gr> <36177F1B.BFC2BD34@hol.gr> Message-ID: <36185C5C.34C835F5@ametro.gr> > > Kai pws 6a to vaftisoyme??? Epeidi exeis xasei episodia, pigaine http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/wanted.html kai tha apantithoun oles oi erotiseis sou! E. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 5 08:59:57 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:59:57 +0300 Subject: Ekloges References: Message-ID: <3618605D.F01A4D99@ametro.gr> > Ouf me ta greeklish. Diktatoriko ennousa (po po xalia...) Allo didaktoriko allo diktatoriko Pepi. From nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr Mon Oct 5 20:00:17 1998 From: nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr (Kaminakis Nikos) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:00:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: test mail please ignore Message-ID: test mail please ignore nikolas From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 5 20:51:32 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:51:32 +0200 Subject: test mail please ignore References: Message-ID: <36190724.6CF1769C@ametro.gr> ela test sender. edo test paraliptis. Kala? Kaminakis Nikos wrote: > > test mail please ignore > > nikolas From voulariba at rocketmail.com Mon Oct 5 21:57:58 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ipopsifiotita #1 Message-ID: <19981005185758.17538.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Ante na kanw egw podariko vazontas ipopsifiotita gia dimarxos ... eee HELLUG D.S. Kai ena proeklogiko logidrio: alloi einai se kommata kai alles tha fernoun theokommata (koinos manoulia) stis sinelevseis tou HELLUG. Skefteite to symferon sas ;-) -- Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From vrypan at mailbox.gr Tue Oct 6 01:45:16 1998 From: vrypan at mailbox.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 01:45:16 +0300 Subject: ipopsifiothta Message-ID: <36194BFB.B15B06A8@mailbox.gr> Ypologhste kai emena gia ypopshfio D.S. Panayotis Vryonis. From gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr Tue Oct 6 04:53:29 1998 From: gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr (Giorgos Mouzourellis) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:53:29 +0300 Subject: Ekloges Message-ID: <36197819.6AC616F6@ATH.FORTHNET.GR> Kata arxas na po oti eimai kai ego mesa gia ekloges... Alla ti zhtame apo aytoys poy tha eklexoyme kai ti mporoyn aoytoi na kanoyn. Ejigoymai prin uesoyme oloi ypopsifiothta, mipos ua prepei na poyme ti apaithseis kai ti ypoxreoseis ua exoyn oi eklegmenoi . Mexri tora oi perisoteroi (kai ego) den eixan (eixame) xrono gia ta pio basika poy xreiasthkan (xartia ,dikhgoroi,sthsimo mhxanimatos klp). Gi ayto kalo ua htan oi ypopsifioi na mas poyn kai ti mporoyn na prosferoyn gia ejeliji tis Hellug. Sorry an ta eipa logo mperdemena (h ora blepete) alla pisteyo oti thn basiki idea thn katalabate. Filika Giorgos ---------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Oct 6 08:56:06 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:56:06 +0300 Subject: ki allos enas gia D.S. References: <36194BFB.B15B06A8@mailbox.gr> Message-ID: <3619B0F6.B448F3A@ametro.gr> Psifiste Papakosta! gia akoma kalitera telnets! Evripidis From bcostas at hol.gr Tue Oct 6 19:49:44 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:49:44 -0700 Subject: Ekloges References: <36197819.6AC616F6@ATH.FORTHNET.GR> Message-ID: <361A4A28.4CEA9DA3@hol.gr> Giorgos Mouzourellis wrote: > Kata arxas na po oti eimai kai ego mesa gia ekloges... > Alla ti zhtame apo aytoys poy tha eklexoyme kai ti mporoyn aoytoi > na kanoyn. An parathrhseis ta paidia poy exoyn dhlwsei mexri stigmhs ypopshfiothta einai oi idioi oysiastika poy kanoyn kati toso kairo. Eksalloy an sthn poreia prokypsei ena 6ema gia syzhthsh edw eimaste 6a ta vroyme. > Ejigoymai prin uesoyme oloi ypopsifiothta, mipos ua prepei na poyme > ti apaithseis kai ti ypoxreoseis ua exoyn oi eklegmenoi . Koita DS vgazoyme gia na mhn milame ws o A kai o B alla ws Hellug. Giati pas feripein se mia ek6esh kai milas me ena A kataskeyasth 'h distributor, opws egine me thn paroysiash ths Digital poy episkf6hkan kapoioi apo edw mesa. Alliws einai na les, eimai apo to Hellug, giati mporeis na pareis kai apofaseis mias kai eisai eklegmenos. Alliws prepei na er6ei to 6ema edw kai na apofasisoyme oloi ti kai pws, xronovora genika diadikasia. Filika, Costas Barakitis From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Oct 6 13:36:25 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:36:25 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Ypopsifiotites. Message-ID: Epeidi blepo oti ta atoma me ta opoia synithos ta briskw (pw pw glypsimo) katebainoun stis ekloges ws ypopsifioi, tha ithela na katebw kai egw. Para tayta ayto PROFANWS den epitrepetai afou prosferthika na eimai "Eforeytiki epitropi" (twra eforeytiki epitropi apo ena atomo, telos pantwn). Mporei kapoios na me bgalei apo tin dyskoli thesi kai na analabei na ginei eforeytiki peitropi? Yposxomai na min kano enstasi :-) ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From kokni at eexi.gr Tue Oct 6 16:01:29 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:01:29 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Ypopsifiotites. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Epeidi blepo oti ta atoma me ta opoia synithos ta briskw (pw pw glypsimo) > katebainoun stis ekloges ws ypopsifioi, tha ithela na katebw kai egw. Para > tayta ayto PROFANWS den epitrepetai afou prosferthika na eimai "Eforeytiki > epitropi" (twra eforeytiki epitropi apo ena atomo, telos pantwn). > > Mporei kapoios na me bgalei apo tin dyskoli thesi kai na analabei na ginei > eforeytiki peitropi? Yposxomai na min kano enstasi :-) Eforeutikh peitropi, oxi den ginomai :-) Gia eforeutikh epitroph (enos atomou) euxaristws prosferomai ean den yparxei antirrhsh apo tous ypoloipous. Den 8a balw ypopshfiothta opws ginetai antilhpto, giati den exw dystyxws ka8olou xrono auto to kairo. 8a meinw loipon sthn antipoliteush (gia na ginw xalifhs sth 8esh tou xalifh) Filika Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr From fm94 at freemail.gr Tue Oct 6 13:13:30 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:13:30 +0200 Subject: Ypopsifiotites. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981006121330.0081e540@teemail.tee.gr> orea.. mexri stigmis exoyn valei 3 5 den prei na ine to D.S?? ante aloi 2 kai glitonoume tis ekloges :-) From kokni at eexi.gr Tue Oct 6 17:27:14 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:27:14 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Ypopsifiotites. In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981006121330.0081e540@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > orea.. mexri stigmis exoyn valei 3 > 5 den prei na ine to D.S?? > > ante aloi 2 kai glitonoume tis ekloges :-) Mallon 4 exoun balei (V.Sanida, P.Vryonis, E.Papakwstas, M.Kabrianis). Epishs, akoma kai ean einai mono 5 oi ypopshfioi, texnikws prepei na ginoun oi ekloges gia thn entos eisagwgikwn "nomimh" eklogh tous. Twra ean einai ligoteroi apo 5, den 3erw ti ginetai .... Filika Nikos Kokras From mkabrian at mk.aua.gr Tue Oct 6 16:18:26 1998 From: mkabrian at mk.aua.gr (Mixalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:18:26 GMT Subject: Ypopsifiotites. Message-ID: <199810061318.NAA13897@mk.aua.gr> Kokras wrote: >Gia eforeutikh epitroph (enos atomou) euxaristws prosferomai Meta tin eygeniki prosfora kai aytothysia tou filou Nikou, anakoinwnw kai episima (sic) tin ypopsifiotita mou. Mas menei toulaxiston allos enas gia to DS (allios na doume ti sk.. tha kanoume) :-( Tha protimousa bebaia na yparxoun polloi ypopsifioi, gia na yparxei kai kapoia estw typiki epilogi... Yparxei akoma xronos (mexri tis 11.00 to brady pou exoume pei) Ante loipon, to Linux aksizei ligo apo ton xrono sas :-) Michalis kabrianis From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Tue Oct 6 15:39:09 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:39:09 +0300 Subject: Ypopsifiotites. In-Reply-To: <199810061318.NAA13897@mk.aua.gr>; from Mixalis Kabrianis on Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 01:18:26PM +0000 References: <199810061318.NAA13897@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <19981006153909.B143@crystal.i-net.gr> Ypologiste kai tin diki mou ypopsifiotita gia to DS. -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at i-net.paiko.gr finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at hermes.cc.uoi.gr From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Tue Oct 6 20:17:54 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:17:54 +0300 ( ) Subject: ipopsifiotita #1 In-Reply-To: <19981005185758.17538.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Voula Sanida wrote: > Kai ena proeklogiko logidrio: > alloi einai se kommata kai alles tha fernoun > theokommata (koinos manoulia) stis sinelevseis tou > HELLUG. > > Skefteite to symferon sas ;-) To skeftika sobara kai exeis dikio. Mesa kai egw gia ypopsifiothta proswrinou DS. Proeklogikh dhlwsh: "Tha sthrijw thn eparxia, oxi sthn sysswreysh ejousiwn" geia xara apo Brindisi Fotis & Giorgos +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Oct 6 19:31:20 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:31:20 +0200 Subject: ipopsifiotita #1 References: Message-ID: <361A45D8.6FB3FAEB@ametro.gr> > > To skeftika sobara kai exeis dikio. > Mesa kai egw gia ypopsifiothta proswrinou DS. > > Proeklogikh dhlwsh: > "Tha sthrijw thn eparxia, > oxi sthn sysswreysh ejousiwn" > > geia xara apo Brindisi Sygnomi re paidia, alla aftos einai stin Italia! Ipame eparxia oxi italia. Den ksero an prepei na proskomisei kai to diavatirio tou gia na psifisei. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Wed Oct 7 00:36:18 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:36:18 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Magaz #8 Message-ID: Emmm, ksexasa na enimeroso ta maniasmena plithi pou perimenoun... To Magaz Teyxos 8 einai etoimo apo simera to prwi sto http://www.linux.gr/magaz kai sta mirrors tou (deite ta apo tin proti selida) Gia to Magaz. Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From kokni at eexi.gr Wed Oct 7 05:25:50 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 00:25:50 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Ypobolh Ypopshfiothtwn Message-ID: Loipon, Symfwna me to anakoinw8en programma h ypobolh ypopshfiothtwn lhgei kai mexri stigmhs exoun 8esei ypopshfiothta oi e3eis (kata seira anakoinwshs sth lista, oi kyries prohgounte panta) 1) Voula Sanida 2) P.Vryonis 3) E.Papakwstas 4) M.Kabrianis 5) N.Mavroyanopoulos 6) F.Georgatos Yparxei ena elasson problhma me thn teleutaia ypopshfiothta pou efere ypografh "Fotis & Giwrgos" alla 8ewrw oti ta paidia mas esteilan xairetismata apo Italia kai ypobolh e8ese _MONO O FOTIS_ kai OXI o G.Keramidas. Ean den exw katalabei kala, parakalw o G.Keramidas na steilei mail sth lista gia na dieukrinistei. Diaforetika h lista twn ypopshfiwn exei ws anw8en. Proeklogikh periodos den problepetai Ennoeitai oti yparxoun ypogeies diergasies (h mallon fantazomai oti yparxoun) kai asfalws den einai texnikws dynaton na tis apagoreusei kaneis. Parakalounte oi kk Ypopshfioi na einai egkrateis sto glypsimo. 8a akoulou8hsei mail me ton tropo pshfoforias pou 8a arxisei aurio stis 12:00 to meshmeri Filika Nikos Kokras (ektelontas xreh eforeutikhs epitrophs) From kokni at eexi.gr Wed Oct 7 06:13:31 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:13:31 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Diadikasia Pshfoforias Message-ID: 1) Dikaiwma pshfou exoun oi e3eis: (href http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/idrisi.html) E.Papakwstas I.Ioannou P.Vryonis D.Bouras G.Gyftomhtros K.Maistrelis F.Georgatos M.Kabrianis V.Sanida O.Glavas N.Arahovas M.Flouris T.Soldatos A.Kavarnos G.Keramidas K.Kremmydas G.Kyriazopoulos G.Exidaridis K.Barakitis G.Mouzourelis N.Mavroyanopoulos X.Athanasopoulos N.Kokras 2) Ka8e enas apo tous parapanw parakaleite na steilei apo Tetarth 7 Oct 1998 wra 12:00 mexri Pempth 8 Oct 1998 wra 24:00 3) H pshforia 8a ginei me e-mail pros thn lista. 4) Ka8e e-mail-pshfos 8a exei subj: PSHFOS 5) Ka8e e-mail-pshfos 8a exei body: apo 1 ews kai 5 onomata to ena katw apo to allo kai tipota allo 6) 8a lhf8ei yp'opsin mono to prwto e-mail 7) Dior8wseis den ginontai dektes 8) Yparxei h dynatotha leukhs pshfou ean to melos sto e-mail-pshfos grapsei sto body thn le3h "LEYKO" kai tipota allo 9) Melh pou den pshfisan entos ths pro8esmias, 8ewreitai oti den proshl8an 10) E-Mails pou den throun thn diadikasia 8ewrountai akyra san pshfoi 11) Enstaseis, diafwnies k.a. sxetika me thn pshforia/eklogh D.S. apagoreuetai na staloun sthn lista apo thn enar3h ths pshfoforias kai mexri to telos auths. 12) Gia otidhpote sxetiko me to (11) epikoinwneite me prwsopiko e-mail:kokni at eexi.gr gia na mhn diatarax8ei h hremia ths pshfoforias. 13) H kanonikh kinhsh ths listas den ephreazetai 14) Monadikos kriths h eforeutikh epitroph (dhladh egw 8a faw to 3ylo, aaaax) Den 8a akolou8hsei allo e-mail apo emena (plhn ths pshfou mou :-)) 8a anakoinwsw epishmws (wow) ta apotelesmata (an barieste na ta metrhsete oi idioi) to brady ths Pempths. Ante, kala 3emperdemata Filika Nikos Kokras From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Oct 7 16:28:44 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:28:44 +0200 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <361B6C8C.7B888D7A@ametro.gr> Sanida Kabrianis Vryonis Mavroyannopoulos Georgatos From voulariba at rocketmail.com Wed Oct 7 17:24:51 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <19981007142451.12511.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Papakostas Kabrianis Vryonis Georgatos Mavrogianopoulos === Voula Sanida http://linux.airtour.gr _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Wed Oct 7 18:31:48 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:31:48 +0200 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: Papakostas Georgatos Sanida Kavrianis Vryonis From bcostas at hol.gr Thu Oct 8 03:40:14 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Κώστας Μπαρακίτης) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:40:14 -0700 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <361C09ED.EACB2709@hol.gr> Sanida Papakostas Vryonis Kabrianis Georgatos From glavas at ceid.upatras.gr Wed Oct 7 17:43:48 1998 From: glavas at ceid.upatras.gr (Glavas Orestis) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:43:48 +0300 ( ) Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: Georgatos Sanida Papakwstas Kabrianis Vryonis Orestis Glavas From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Wed Oct 7 18:20:57 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:20:57 +0300 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <19981007182057.A187@crystal.i-net.gr> M.Kabrianis E.Papakwstas F.Georgatos V.Sanida P.Vryonis -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at i-net.paiko.gr finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at hermes.cc.uoi.gr From mkabrian at acropolis.net Wed Oct 7 22:17:00 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 19:17:00 -0000 (GMT) Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: Mavrogiannopoulos Papakostas Vryonis Sanida Geogratos From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Wed Oct 7 21:29:58 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:29:58 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <199810071829.VAA01442@hpc.ntua.gr> Sanida Vryonis Papakwstas Kabrianis Georgatos From exindari at math.upatras.gr Wed Oct 7 22:32:32 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:32:32 +0300 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <361BC1D0.8E1A8C55@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Kabrianis Papakwstas Georgatos Vryonis Sanida From vrypan at mailbox.gr Wed Oct 7 22:44:01 1998 From: vrypan at mailbox.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:44:01 +0300 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <361BC480.5248691E@mailbox.gr> Sanida Kabrianis Papakostas Mavroyannopoulos Georgatos From infonick at hol.gr Wed Oct 7 23:31:19 1998 From: infonick at hol.gr (Nick Arahovas) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:31:19 GMT Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <361bcecf.305145@mail.hol.gr> Voula Sanida P.Vryonis E.Papakwstas M.Kabrianis F.Georgatos From fm94 at freemail.gr Thu Oct 8 00:41:39 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:41:39 +0200 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981007234139.007c05d0@teemail.tee.gr> Mavroyannopoulos Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From kyr-john at geocities.com Wed Oct 7 23:50:30 1998 From: kyr-john at geocities.com (Kyriazopoulos Ioannis) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:50:30 +0300 Subject: PSHFOS References: <361B6C8C.7B888D7A@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <361BD415.166EF883@geocities.com> Mavrogiannopoulos Papakostas Vryonis Sanida Geogratos From gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr Thu Oct 8 03:44:14 1998 From: gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr (Giorgos Mouzourellis) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 03:44:14 +0300 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <361C0ADE.9DAE4ECC@ATH.FORTHNET.GR> F. Georgatos M. Kabrianis E. Papakostas V. Sanida N. Mavrogiannopoulos From kremidas at lrf.gr Thu Oct 8 11:23:29 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:23:29 +0000 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <199810081626.JAA14954@www.lrf.gr> Kabrianis Papakwstas Georgatos Vryonis Sanida Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From kokni at eexi.gr Thu Oct 8 16:01:06 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Kokras Nikolaos) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:01:06 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: E.Papakostas M.Kabrianis F.Georgatos Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr From flouris at csi.forth.gr Thu Oct 8 13:02:56 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:02:56 +0300 Subject: PSHFOS References: <361B6C8C.7B888D7A@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <361C8DD0.D1CBBF70@ics.forth.gr> E.Papakwstas M.Kabrianis P.Vryonis F.Georgatos V.Sanida Mike Flouris & From dseretis at egnatia.ee.auth.gr Thu Oct 8 13:19:21 1998 From: dseretis at egnatia.ee.auth.gr (Seretis Dimitrios) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:19:21 +0300 Subject: Πρόβλημα με την κάρτα ήχου. Message-ID: <361C91A8.8FA5DB6B@egnatia.ee.auth.gr> Βοήθεια!..Προσπαθώ να κανω το S.u.S.E. linux 5.3 (kernel 2.0.35) μου να αναγνωρίσει την κάρτα ήχου και δεν μπορώ. Εχω μια Generic OPTi82C933.Φυσιολογικά θα έπρεπε να τη βλέπει ο driver της MAD16 αλλά σε καμία περίπτωση δεν το κάνει. Εχω δοκιμάσει το OSS/Free 3.8s9.Υπάρχει πρόβλημα επειδή η κάρτα είναι PnP. Εχω δοκιμάσει τα pnptools αλλά δε γίνεται τίποτα. Το ΟSS/Linux την αναγνωρίζει.Χρησιμοποίησα αυτά τα settings στο isapnp.conf αλλά ο kernel αρνείται πεισματικά να την αναγνωρίσει. Η κάρτα στο εμπόριο κυκλοφορεί με το όνομα Spacewalker Soundsystem ΗΟΤ-247. Υπάρχουν 3rd-party drivers ? From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Oct 8 16:51:39 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:51:39 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: PSHFOS]] Message-ID: <361CC36B.8926DE91@ametro.gr> o kokras einai edo brosta mou. pira to katothi kai to vevaionei o eforas. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: FUTUREKIDS Amaliada Subject: [Fwd: PSHFOS] Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:12:36 +0300 Size: 2037 URL: From roryt at hol.gr Thu Oct 8 18:56:51 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:56:51 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: Sanida Vryonis Papakwstas Kabrianis Georgatos From yang at acropolis.net Thu Oct 8 20:01:35 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:01:35 +0300 Subject: PSHFOS Message-ID: <361CEFEF.D44CA8FE@acropolis.net> kabrianhs papakostas sanida georgatos vryonis From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Thu Oct 8 22:44:19 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:44:19 +0300 Subject: TELOS Message-ID: <19981008224419.A102@crystal.i-net.gr> Telikws eimai o xamenos tis eklogis autis. Den exw tipota allo na pw ektos apo kalh epityxia sto neo mas DS kai sygxaritiria stous eklegentes. Euxaristw therma autous pou me empisteuthikan me tin psifo tous. -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at i-net.paiko.gr finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at hermes.cc.uoi.gr From kokni at eexi.gr Fri Oct 9 16:24:43 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:24:43 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: APOTELESMATA pshfoforias Message-ID: Loipon: Melh: 23 Pshfisan: 20 (D.Bouras, G.Keramidas, F.Georgatos den) Leuka/Akyra: 0 Enstaseis klp den yphr3an. Elaban: (kata seira pshfwn) Georgatos: 19 Papakwstas: 18 Sanida: 17 Vryonis: 16 Kabrianis: 16 Mavroyanopoulos: 8 Eklegontai sto D.S. oi 5 prwtoi kai o Mavroyanopoulos orizetai anaplhrwmatikos. 8a steilw sto neo D.S. to "praktiko". Nikos Kokras From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Fri Oct 9 13:50:08 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:50:08 +0300 ( ) Subject: APOTELESMATA pshfoforias In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eyxaristw kat' arxhn osous me yposthrijan. Nomiza oti tha prolabaina na psifisw kai egw, alla ekana kati lathos me tis hmeromhnies... Tespa, tha ithela na pw oti h psifoforia ayth prepei na theorithei typikh, kai ti akribws tha ginei tha kathoristei se synenohsh metajy mas. Den apokleiw akomh kai px to na bgw egw apo thn 5ada, prokeimenou na exoume ena drasthrio DS. Opote o Mayrogiannopoulos den einai ektos, kathe allo. Einai pio shmantikh h orejh gia douleia, apo otidhpote allo, kai to poso mporei na prosferei o kathenas tha to broume me mia koubenta apo konta (kalytera ayto), h apo thn lista. Pantws egw tha eimai Athina meta tis 5 Noembrh, opote ean den mporw na symmetexw se kati, isxuei h pleiopsifia twn ypoloipwn. xairetw apo thn Rwmh twra, pou to synedrio einai ejairetika endiaferon, tha grapsei kai antapokrish o Giorgos gia ayto sto Magaz. arriverdici +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From fm94 at freemail.gr Sun Oct 11 00:25:16 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:25:16 +0200 Subject: meta tis ekloges?? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981010232516.008467b0@teemail.tee.gr> orea kaname kai ekloges.. tora? kamia sinelefsi ?? From vrypan at mailbox.gr Sun Oct 11 15:16:58 1998 From: vrypan at mailbox.gr (Panayotis Vryonis) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:16:58 +0300 Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG Message-ID: <3620A1BA.9981F740@mailbox.gr> Το Σάββατο, 10 Οκτωβρίου συνεδρίασαν τα μέλη του πρωσορινού Δ.Σ. του HELLUG. Παρόντες ήταν: 1)Παναγιώτης Βρυώνης 2)Μιχάλης Καμπριάνης 3)Ευριπίδης Παπακώστας 4)Βούλα Σανιδά Απόν ήταν ο Φώτης Γεωργάτος που λείπει εκτός Ελλάδος. Κατά την συνεδρίαση: Α. Μοιράστηκαν οι αρμοδιότητες του Δ.Σ. μετά από ομόφωνη απόφαση. Έτσι, Πρόεδρος αναλαμβάνει ο Μιχάλης Καμπριάνης Αντιπρόεδρος αναλαμβάνειο Ευριπίδης Παπακώστας Ταμίας αναλαμβάνει η Βούλα Σανιδά Γραμματέας αναλαμβάνει ο Παναγιώτης Βρυώνης Έφορος αναλαμβάνει ο Φώτης Γεωργάτος Κατά την λήψη της παραπάνω απόφασης, λάβαμε υπ' όψην μας ότι ο Φώτης Γεωργάτος θα λείπει τουλάχιστον ως τις 5 Νοεμβρίου (σύμφωνα και με mail που έστειλε στην λίστα) πράγμα που σημαίνει ότι θα λείπει κατά ένα μεγάλο μέρος της θητείας του προσωρινού Δ.Σ. Β. Έγινε καταμερισμός των εργασιών, έτσι ώστε να τακτοποιηθούν τα όποια "τεχνικά" προβλήματα υπάρχουν (όπως η δημιουργία σφραγίδας, η αγορά των απαραίτητων βιβλίων εσόδων/εξόδων, μπλοκ αποδείξεων κ.λ.) ώστε να αρχίσει να λειτουργεί ομαλά ο σύλλογος. Μετά από τα παραπάνω προτεραιότητα έχει η τακτοποίηση των διαφόρων εκκρεμοτήτων ώστε να αρχίσει να λειτουργεί στο Internet ο κόμβος του HELLUG, έτσι ώστε να μπορούμε να έχουμε μια σωστή παρουσία. Γ. Αποφασίστηκε και επίσημα το προφανές, ότι το Δ.Σ. δεν είναι αυτό που θα υλοποιήσει από μόνο του την πληθώρα των ιδεών που έχουν ακουστεί κατά καιρούς, αλλά απλά θα αναλάβει τον συντονισμό τους (όπου κάτι τέτοιο χρειάζεται), καθώς και την εκπροσώπιση του συλλόγου. Κατόπιν τούτου θα θέλαμε να μας ενημερώσετε αν υπάρχουν μέλη που να μπορούν να αναλάβουν τις παρακάτω αρμοδιότητες: 1) Webmaster του κόμβου που θα στηθεί. 2) Database Administrator της βάσης δεδομένων που θα υπάρχει στον κόμβο, με στοιχεία όσων μελών το επιθυμούν. 3) Υπεύθυνος Μεταφράσεων που θα έχει την επιμέλεια και οργάνωση των διαφόρων μεταφράσεων Παρκαλούμε, τα μέλη που θα δηλώσουν ενδιαφέρον να έχουν την απαιτούμενη εμπειρία και γνώσεις στους αντίστοιχους τομείς. Οποιαδήποτε άλλη δραστηριότητα, είναι ευπρόσδεκτη, αρκεί αυτός που θα την διατυπώσει να μην αρκεστεί σε αυτό αλλά να βοηθήσει ενεργά στην υλοποίησή της. Δ. Αποφασίστηκε η αξιοποίηση του καταλόγου ονομάτων που υπάρχει, με ανθρώπους που ενδιαφέρονται να μαθαίνουν νέα του HELLUG. Ο κατάλογος αυτός βρίσκεται στα χέρια του Μιχάλη Καμπριάνη ο οποίος θα την επεξεργαστεί ώστε να αποκτήσει μία λειτουργική μορφή και θα την δώσει στον Γραμματέα, Παναγιώτη Βρυώνη, ώστε να αναλάβει την ενημέρωσή τους. Ε. Μόλις λυθούν τα τεχνικά προβλήματα που αναφέρονται στα Α. και Β. και ο σύλλογος είναι σε θέση να δεχθεί νέα μέλη και να επικοινωνήσει επίσημα με τον "έξω κόσμο", θα βγει σχετική ανακοίνωση ίδρυσης/έναρξης λειτουργίας, που θα σταλεί και στα σχετικά με τον χώρο της πληροφορικής έντυπα. Ο Γραμματέας, Παναγιώτης Βρυώνης. From roryt at hol.gr Sun Oct 11 15:29:38 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:29:38 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Metafora listwmn (as RE: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG) In-Reply-To: <3620A1BA.9981F740@mailbox.gr> Message-ID: On 11-Oct-98 Panayotis Vryonis wrote: > Το Σάββατο, 10 Οκτωβρίου συνεδρίασαν τα μέλη του πρωσορινού Δ.Σ. του > HELLUG. > Na thesw ena thema pou me afora amesa ? Me to stisimo toy kombou, metafora twn listwn (kentrikh, howto, hellug) sto mhxanima tou hellug. Egw oso paei o kairos mporw kai prosferw ligotera sthn ypothesi Linux logo anelhmenwn ypoxrewswn. Pera apo to oti einai kai to poio swsto apo thn stigmh pou tha yparxei episimh parousia LUG, tha to zitaga kai san prosopikh xarh : sxedon dyo xronia exw "tsakisei" apo to agxos na prosexw ton argea gia na mhn minoume apo listes. Enweitai oti tha bohthisw oso mporw perissotero (idios sto ksekinima). Ayta, apopseis ? I.Ioannou From mkabrian at acropolis.net Sun Oct 11 20:53:41 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:53:41 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Metafora listwmn (as RE: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199810111746.RAA16472@mk.aua.gr> > > Na thesw ena thema pou me afora amesa ? Me to stisimo toy kombou, metafora > twn > listwn (kentrikh, howto, hellug) sto mhxanima tou hellug. > > Egw oso paei o kairos mporw kai prosferw ligotera sthn ypothesi Linux logo > anelhmenwn ypoxrewswn. Pera apo to oti einai kai to poio swsto apo thn stigmh > pou tha yparxei episimh parousia LUG, tha to zitaga kai san prosopikh xarh : > sxedon dyo xronia exw "tsakisei" apo to agxos na prosexw ton argea gia na mhn > minoume apo listes. > > Enweitai oti tha bohthisw oso mporw perissotero (idios sto ksekinima). > > Ayta, apopseis ? > > I.Ioannou Loipon, Gianni. Den soy kryboume oti to thema syzitithike, alla den katalixame se tipota giati thelame prwta na epikoinonisoume mazi sou. H logiki mas itan oti, eidika sta prwta bimata tou kombou, an kati doulevei allou sosta, den to metaferoume. Se ayta ta plaisia entassontai kai oi listes, oi opoies exoun prosferei, opos poly kala ksereis, ta megista stin synenosi - sygkentrosi tou hellug, kai einai kalo, opos legame kai paliotera, na pesoun katw apo mia kentriki dioikisi, (opos, gia aytous pou den kseroun, kai to magaz, kai alla pragmata, ta opoia den yparxoun twra) Bebaia, lambanontas ypopsin tin palaiotera ekfrastheisa epithymia sou gia metafora tous ston kentriko mixanima (nai, to thymomaste) kai sebomenoi tin apopsi sou kai katalabainontas apolyta tous logous gia tous opoious to zitas (lypamai alla den thymamai an ayti i syzitisi eixe ginei se prosopiki synomilia, i mesw listas, opote den mpainw se leptomereies gia na min kourasoume ki olas), yparxei i thelisi, kai o xoros sto mixanima, na metaferthoun ekei oi listes. To problima omos den einai o xoros, to problima opos ksereis poly kala einai to administration. Gi ayto kai den "diafimisame" thesi listman i postmaster i opos allios tha mporousame na tin poume, en antithesei me tis theseis db-adm kai webmaster, pou ayti ti stigmi einai "orfanes", gia na epikoinonisoume mazi sou kai na mas peis an mporeis na exeis ayti ti thesi, kai an nai, mexri pote. Opote, (polylogw e?) perimenoume esy na mas peis an mporeis na analabeis tin syntirisi twn listwn aytwn sto kentriko mixanima, estw kai me boitheia. Diladi mporeis na ksekiniseis esy me kapoion allo mazi, kai an theleis kapoia stigmi na apoxoriseis, na exei dimiourgithei mia diadoxi katastasi. Fantazomai oti olo kai kapoios tha yparxei, eite apo ta yparxonta meli, eite apo ta kainourgia, pou tha exei kapoia empeiria apo mailing lists, gia na analabete mazi ayto to ergo. Katalabaineis bebaia oti an analabeis kati tetoio, estw kai gia mikro diastima, tha exeis arketo treximo, gia na stithoun eks' arxis oi listes sto hellug, na metaferthoun ta archives, kai na ksanarythmistei sosta to excite (se synergasia me ton webmaster). Apo tin alli meria, an den mporeis na to analabeis, tha prepei na to ksekinisei kapoios entelws apo tin arxi, me oti problimata ayto synepagetai. Episis, entelws pliroforiaka, ayti ti stigmi exei ginei reserved to domain hellug.gr kai molis brethei xorigos na mas filoksenisei, tha ginei register, gia na mpei to mixanima se leitourgia. Milame bebaia gia mia diadikasia pou, dedomenou tou periorismenou xronou olwn mas, mporei na kratisei kai 15 meres, kai ena mina, kai pistevw oti aytes oi problepseis einai aisiodokses (den milaw bebaia gia tin eyresi xorigou, alla gia tin diadikasia proetoimasias tou mixanimatos gia na mpei me asfaleia panw sto diktyo). Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Sun Oct 11 22:40:10 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:40:10 -0000 (GMT) Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG In-Reply-To: <3620A1BA.9981F740@mailbox.gr> Message-ID: <199810111933.TAA16511@mk.aua.gr> On 11-Oct-98 Panayotis Vryonis wrote: > Το Σάββατο, 10 Οκτωβρίου συνεδρίασαν τα μέλη του πρωσορινού Δ.Σ. του > HELLUG. > > Γ. > Αποφασίστηκε και επίσημα το προφανές, ότι το Δ.Σ. δεν είναι αυτό που θα > υλοποιήσει από μόνο του > την πληθώρα των ιδεών που έχουν ακουστεί κατά καιρούς, αλλά απλά θα > αναλάβει τον συντονισμό τους (όπου κάτι τέτοιο χρειάζεται), καθώς και > την εκπροσώπιση του συλλόγου. Κατόπιν τούτου θα θέλαμε να μας > ενημερώσετε αν υπάρχουν μέλη που να μπορούν να αναλάβουν τις παρακάτω > αρμοδιότητες: > 1) Webmaster του κόμβου που θα στηθεί. > 2) Database Administrator της βάσης δεδομένων που θα υπάρχει στον κόμβο, > με στοιχεία όσων > μελών το επιθυμούν. > 3) Υπεύθυνος Μεταφράσεων που θα έχει την επιμέλεια και οργάνωση των > διαφόρων μεταφράσεων > > Παρακαλούμε, τα μέλη που θα δηλώσουν ενδιαφέρον να έχουν την απαιτούμενη > εμπειρία και γνώσεις > στους αντίστοιχους τομείς. > > Οποιαδήποτε άλλη δραστηριότητα, είναι ευπρόσδεκτη, αρκεί αυτός που θα > την διατυπώσει να μην > αρκεστεί σε αυτό αλλά να βοηθήσει ενεργά στην υλοποίησή της. > Θα ήθελα εδώ να συμπληρώσω, αυτό που μας φαινόταν αυτονόητο, αλλά σκέφτηκα ότι πρέπει να το δηλώσουμε, μόλις τώρα. Οι θέσεις που "πρoκυρήχθηκαν", db-adm, webmaster και μεταφραστικό, είναι πιο πολύ θέσεις "συντονιστών" παρά θέσεις συγκεκριμένων ατόμων. Δηλαδή ελπίζουμε να παρουσιαστούν 3-4 άτομα για την θέση του Webmaster για παράδειγμα, τα οποία θα δημιουργήσουν μια ομάδα εργασίας, με σκοπό την δημιουργία, συντήρηση και ανανέωση των web σελίδων του συλλόγου. Το ίδιο και για τις υπόλοιπες θέσεις, δηλαδή πιστεύουμε ότι ένας θα είναι ο "υπεύθυνος - συντονιστής", και κάποια άλλα άτομα θα μοιράζονται τα επιμέρους projects. Επίσης, η συνεργασία μεταξύ των τριών αυτών ομάδων εργασίας θα χρειαστεί να είναι στενή, για την καλύτερη απόδοση, αφού ιδανικό θα ήταν και το μεταφραστικό και το τμήμα της βάσης δεδομένων να έχουν ένα web-interface παρουσίασης των εργασιών τους - αποτελεσμάτων τους. Τέλος, το administration του μηχανήματος, θα παραμείνει ΜΑΛΛΟΝ στο Δ.Σ. για λόγους ευκολίας, και εξαρτάται το ποιος θα το αναλάβει, από το που θα μπει το μηχάνημα. Για το Δ.Σ. Μιχάλης Καμπριάνης mkabrian at acropolis.gr From fm94 at freemail.gr Mon Oct 12 00:52:28 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:52:28 +0200 Subject: Metafora listwmn (as RE: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HE In-Reply-To: <199810111746.RAA16472@mk.aua.gr> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981011235228.0084fce0@teemail.tee.gr> At 05:53 ?? 11/10/1998 -0000, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: >Katalabaineis bebaia oti an analabeis kati tetoio, estw kai gia mikro >diastima, tha exeis arketo treximo, gia na stithoun eks' arxis oi listes sto >hellug, na metaferthoun ta archives, kai na ksanarythmistei sosta to excite (se >synergasia me ton webmaster). Apo tin alli meria, an den mporeis na to >analabeis, tha prepei na to ksekinisei kapoios entelws apo tin arxi, me oti >problimata ayto synepagetai. Gia to excite exo na protino kati katarxin den 3ero tous logous pou apofasistike na xrisimopoii8ei to excite gia tin anazitisi ton archives.. oute kai 3ero tis dinatotites kai pos doylevei to excite opote an kano la8os parakolo na me dior8osei kapios protino omos an iparxei provlima me tis ri8miseis tou excite na dokimasoume (analamvano ego) na metaferoume tin anazitisi meso WAIS mesa apo WEB interface pou parexei kai kapies epipleon dinatotites p.x. anazitisi me e3oteriko client wais anazitisi se fisiki glosa (agklika) kai den xriazete na parapempoume se kapio alo site.. an kanoume kati tetio stin sinexeia mporoume na simperilavoume efkola kai ta howto kai faq kai oti alo 8eloume.. (na simioso oti kati pou skeftika tora, den exo tsekarei tin simperifora tou se eliniko kimeno, isos na min doulevei me elinika, den 3ero ti kanei to excite me afto to 8ema) ,,, __.---------------------------.___ (o o) |__| www.fidonet.org |___| ||| __ooO_(_)_Ooo__|__| Save the Dream of BBSing |_|_| 6(o o) |__|__|___|___|__|_| www.linux.org |___|// ( ) | Maistrelis Kostas| promote free software |_|_|\\-\ /\. | fm94 at tee.gr |__|_| against commercialization |___| `, : || | fm94 at freemail.gr_`---------------------------'_|_| |-._|/ | icq.mail:|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \| | | 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com ___|___|___|___|___|_| | |\ |__|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_o_|___|___| (_)_) From fm94 at freemail.gr Mon Oct 12 00:54:48 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:54:48 +0200 Subject: sfragides & vivlia.. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981011235448.00856420@teemail.tee.gr> gia na xorisoume ligo tis doulies. mpro na analavo tin promi8ia vivlion toy silogou kai sfragides xoris na kano megalo kopo.. sinepos an den ine kapios sfragidas i xartopolis apo ta meloi as mou stilei to ds tis odigies gia tin sfragida ta ipolipa ta diavazo apo to katastatiko :-) From fm94 at freemail.gr Mon Oct 12 00:57:57 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:57:57 +0200 Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG In-Reply-To: <3620A1BA.9981F740@mailbox.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981011235757.00856620@teemail.tee.gr> >??????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? >??????????? ?? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? ??? ???????? >????????????: >2) Database Administrator ??? ????? ????????? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ?????, >?? ???????? ???? ????? ?? ?????????. gia tin database endiaferome na asxoli8o ego.. apo oti exoyme sizitisei kai paliotera i database 8a ine postgres sosta?? idi iparxei mia protolia morfi tis database gia ta meli se postgres kai sindesi me www meso perl erotisi: o apache 8a exei perl mod?? From fm94 at freemail.gr Mon Oct 12 01:00:19 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:00:19 +0200 Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981012000019.007bf760@teemail.tee.gr> >??????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? >??????????? ?? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? ??? ???????? >????????????: >2) Database Administrator ??? ????? ????????? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ?????, >?? ???????? ???? ????? ?? ?????????. gia tin database endiaferome na asxoli8o ego.. apo oti exoyme sizitisei kai paliotera i database 8a ine postgres sosta?? idi iparxei mia protolia morfi tis database gia ta meli se postgres kai sindesi me www meso perl erotisi: o apache 8a exei perl mod?? Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From roryt at hol.gr Mon Oct 12 10:04:03 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:04:03 +0300 Subject: Metafora listwmn (as RE: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HE Message-ID: <199810120711.KAA20784@mail.hol.gr> > From: Michalis Kabrianis > Opote, (polylogw e?) perimenoume esy na mas peis an mporeis na analabeis tin > syntirisi twn listwn aytwn sto kentriko mixanima, estw kai me boitheia. Diladi Nai sigoura, ayto pou lew egw einai apla oti exw kourastei na to kanw monos mou. > Katalabaineis bebaia oti an analabeis kati tetoio, estw kai gia mikro > diastima, tha exeis arketo treximo, gia na stithoun eks' arxis oi listes sto > hellug, na metaferthoun ta archives, kai na ksanarythmistei sosta to excite (se > synergasia me ton webmaster). Apo tin alli meria, an den mporeis na to > analabeis, tha prepei na to ksekinisei kapoios entelws apo tin arxi, me oti > problimata ayto synepagetai. Mporo na analabw egw na ksanastisw olo to sistima apo to mhden (doksa to theo me tin empeiria pou exw apoktisei then nomizw na xreiastoun panw apo 2-3 meres me xalaroys rithmous). Meta deixnw se opoion endiaferomeno ta "kolpa" kai mirazoume bardies. > Episis, entelws pliroforiaka, ayti ti stigmi exei ginei reserved to domain > hellug.gr kai molis brethei xorigos na mas filoksenisei, tha ginei register, Mhpws tha eitan themito na kanoume niksi kai se HOL (gkoul) gia paraxwrhsh tou .linux.gr ? (an kai den to blepw toso dogmatika to thema) I.Ioannou From theodore at eexi.gr Mon Oct 12 11:12:30 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:12:30 +0200 Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG References: Message-ID: <3621B9EE.9450D98F@eexi.gr> > > Ε. > > Μόλις λυθούν τα τεχνικά προβλήματα που αναφέρονται στα Α. και Β. και ο > > σύλλογος είναι σε > > θέση να δεχθεί νέα μέλη και να επικοινωνήσει επίσημα με τον "έξω > > κόσμο", > > > > θα βγει σχετική ανακοίνωση ίδρυσης/έναρξης λειτουργίας, που θα σταλεί > > και στα σχετικά με τον χώρο > > της πληροφορικής έντυπα. Mhpos tha htan kalh idea na steiloume kai se entypa asxeta me ton xoro ths plhroforikhs ? Oxi mono anakoinosh idryshs, alla ena deltio typoy sxetika me to Linux genikotera, dinontas kai onomata gia epikoinonia an thelhsoun na grapsoun kapoio arthro. Pistevo oti to Linux einai endiaferon kai apo alles pleyres ektos ths texnologikhs, opote an riksoyme kai kapoioys pointers se arthra ksenon efhmeridon sto Web (N.Y. Times px), olo kai kapoios tha endiaferthei. Shmeioste oti polla arthra se mh sxetika entypa asxolountai me to "parakseno" toy thematos (kapoios poy grafei software xoris na vgazei lefta). T. PS: Fhmes: Ellhniko pararthma gnosths polyethnikhs etaireias pou prosferei symvouleftikes yphresies, xrhsimopoiei Linux se megalo project pou doulevei aythn thn epoxh. Molis matho perissoteres leptomereies tha epaneltho... :-) -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== From roryt at hol.gr Mon Oct 12 10:05:53 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:05:53 +0300 Subject: Metafora listwmn (as RE: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S.HE Message-ID: <199810120713.KAA20979@mail.hol.gr> > From: Maistrelis Kostas > protino omos an iparxei provlima me tis ri8miseis tou excite na dokimasoume > (analamvano ego) na metaferoume tin anazitisi meso WAIS mesa apo WEB > interface > pou parexei kai kapies epipleon dinatotites p.x. > anazitisi me e3oteriko client wais > anazitisi se fisiki glosa (agklika) > kai den xriazete na parapempoume se kapio alo site.. Kathe protash dekth. To excite eitan apla mia eykolh lysh I.Ioannou From kremidas at lrf.gr Mon Oct 12 12:22:05 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:22:05 +0000 Subject: Gia tin thesi Webmaster Message-ID: <199810121724.KAA05039@www.lrf.gr> Kalimera se olous, Tha ithela na sas po oti endiaferomai gia tin thesi tou webmaster. Mia mikri anakoinwsi. Den 3ero an ta paidia pou asxolountai me oracle to exoun pliroforithi alla h Oracle dinei tsampa tin Oracle 8.5 gia Linux. Perissoteres plirofories sto http://technet.oracle.com. Mono prosoxi einai 145MB download (kai opoios ante3ei). Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 12 13:25:19 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:25:19 -0000 (GMT) Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG In-Reply-To: <3621B9EE.9450D98F@eexi.gr> Message-ID: > > Mhpos tha htan kalh idea na steiloume kai se entypa asxeta me ton xoro ths > plhroforikhs ? Oxi mono anakoinosh idryshs, alla ena deltio typoy sxetika me > to > Linux genikotera, dinontas kai onomata gia epikoinonia an thelhsoun na > grapsoun > kapoio arthro. Pistevo oti to Linux einai endiaferon kai apo alles pleyres > ektos > ths texnologikhs, opote an riksoyme kai kapoioys pointers se arthra ksenon > efhmeridon sto Web (N.Y. Times px), olo kai kapoios tha endiaferthei. > Shmeioste > oti polla arthra se mh sxetika entypa asxolountai me to "parakseno" toy > thematos > (kapoios poy grafei software xoris na vgazei lefta). Basika skeftomouna exthes kati se styl MAX, NITRO, KLIK, 01, OUT kai tetoia pou an to proothisoun, tha to kanoun gi' ayto pou les. To parakseno tou thematos. Ta problimata einai 2 a) Theloume kati tetoio? Diladi na emfanistoume os mia cult omada trellamenwn? b) Pws tous prosegizoume? Diladi sygnommi alla den exw skopo na parw tilefwno as poume to Max kai na tous pw elate na mas parete synenteyxi :-) > T. > > PS: Fhmes: Ellhniko pararthma gnosths polyethnikhs etaireias pou prosferei > symvouleftikes yphresies, xrhsimopoiei Linux se megalo project pou doulevei > aythn thn epoxh. Molis matho perissoteres leptomereies tha epaneltho... :-) > Nai Thodore, na matheis kai meta na grapseis mia analysi tou thematos gia to RealWorld tou Magaz. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 12 10:30:36 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:30:36 +0300 Subject: DELTIO TYPOU References: <3621B9EE.9450D98F@eexi.gr> Message-ID: <3621B01C.8EBF8C4B@ametro.gr> Theodore J. Soldatos wrote: > > > > Ε. > > > Μόλις λυθούν τα τεχνικά προβλήματα που αναφέρονται στα Α. και Β. και ο > > > σύλλογος είναι σε > > > θέση να δεχθεί νέα μέλη και να επικοινωνήσει επίσημα με τον "έξω > > > κόσμο", > > > > > > θα βγει σχετική ανακοίνωση ίδρυσης/έναρξης λειτουργίας, που θα σταλεί > > > και στα σχετικά με τον χώρο > > > της πληροφορικής έντυπα. > > Mhpos tha htan kalh idea na steiloume kai se entypa asxeta me ton xoro ths > plhroforikhs ? Oxi mono anakoinosh idryshs, alla ena deltio typoy sxetika me to > Linux genikotera, dinontas kai onomata gia epikoinonia an thelhsoun na grapsoun > kapoio arthro. Pistevo oti to Linux einai endiaferon kai apo alles pleyres ektos > ths texnologikhs, opote an riksoyme kai kapoioys pointers se arthra ksenon > efhmeridon sto Web (N.Y. Times px), olo kai kapoios tha endiaferthei. kai mia pou to anaferes :-) ..... bas kai exeis xrono na ftiakseis kati tis peri aftou (pou etsi ki allios to xreiazomaste kai borei na apotelei kai template pano sto opoio prosthetoume/afairoume gia na paragoume deltia tipou pos computere i mi destinations)? kai meta to koitaei kai opoios allos thelei (ego as poume), bainoun ta contact phones,names, emails kai eimaste koukloi. etoimoi gia na arxisoume to PR / spam Eeee? Evripidis From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 12 13:28:58 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:28:58 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Metafora listwmn (as RE: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S.HE In-Reply-To: <199810120713.KAA20979@mail.hol.gr> Message-ID: On 12-Oct-98 I.Ioannou wrote: >> From: Maistrelis Kostas > >> protino omos an iparxei provlima me tis ri8miseis tou excite na > dokimasoume >> (analamvano ego) na metaferoume tin anazitisi meso WAIS mesa apo WEB >> interface >> pou parexei kai kapies epipleon dinatotites p.x. >> anazitisi me e3oteriko client wais >> anazitisi se fisiki glosa (agklika) >> kai den xriazete na parapempoume se kapio alo site.. > > Kathe protash dekth. To excite eitan apla mia eykolh lysh > > I.Ioannou Kalo tha itan stin arxi na meinoume me ta dokimasmena pou doulevoun. An argotera mporesoume na broume xrono, stinoume kai wais kai oti allo theloume, den mas periorizei kaneis. To mixanima diko mas einai, oti theloume kanoume. :-) Kosta, (Maistreli) dekti i boitheia sou (sigoura, den to syzitame ayto) alla min peseis stin pagida na analabeis polla giati den tha se bgalei o xronos. DEN milame gia liga pragmata edw. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 12 13:34:01 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:34:01 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Metafora listwmn (as RE: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HE In-Reply-To: <199810120711.KAA20784@mail.hol.gr> Message-ID: On 12-Oct-98 I.Ioannou wrote: >> From: Michalis Kabrianis > >> Opote, (polylogw e?) perimenoume esy na mas peis an mporeis na analabeis > tin >> syntirisi twn listwn aytwn sto kentriko mixanima, estw kai me boitheia. > Diladi > > Nai sigoura, ayto pou lew egw einai apla oti exw kourastei na to kanw monos > mou. Yperoxa. Mou aresei pou symfonoume kai yparxei kai apo sena i diathesi na xaramiseis ligo (i kai poly, den ksero poso einai) apo ton xrono sou gi' ayto to skopo > > Mporo na analabw egw na ksanastisw olo to sistima apo to mhden (doksa to > theo me tin empeiria pou exw apoktisei then nomizw na xreiastoun panw apo > 2-3 meres me xalaroys rithmous). Meta deixnw se opoion endiaferomeno ta > "kolpa" kai mirazoume bardies. Ayto einai oti kalytero tha mporousa na skeftw. Kai pistevw oti tha einai kai eykola ylopoiisimo. >> Episis, entelws pliroforiaka, ayti ti stigmi exei ginei reserved to > domain >> hellug.gr kai molis brethei xorigos na mas filoksenisei, tha ginei > register, > > Mhpws tha eitan themito na kanoume niksi kai se HOL (gkoul) gia paraxwrhsh > tou .linux.gr ? (an kai den to blepw toso dogmatika to thema) > > I.Ioannou Koita, yparxei i eksis apopsi. Na exoume 2 domains. Kai to hellug.gr kai to linux.gr. An ginetai, na einai ai panw se diaforetika diktya. Oi selides tha diaforopoiountai ligo, alla telika to kalo einai oti tha yparxei isxyroteri parousia sto web. Kaka ta psemata, enas xristis prwta tha paei sto linux.gr na mathei ti einai to linux kai alla tetoia, kai na brei ena link gia to hellug.gr gia to pws na graftei ston syllogo, pws na syneisferei sta projects pou (elpizoume) na ksekinisoume klp. An twra den broume allon ISP na filoksenisei to hellug.gr (ligo dyskolo to blepw na min broume kanenan), pame to mixanaki pou ftiaxame stin HOL kai metaferoume ekei to linux.gr kai paizoume apo ekei. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 12 12:06:37 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:06:37 +0300 Subject: SFRAGIDES kai VIVLIA SYLLOGOU References: <3.0.5.32.19981011235448.00856420@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <3621C69D.6A36E928@ametro.gr> Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > gia na xorisoume ligo tis doulies. > mpro na analavo tin promi8ia vivlion toy silogou > kai sfragides xoris na kano megalo kopo.. > > sinepos an den ine kapios sfragidas i xartopolis > apo ta meloi > as mou stilei to ds tis odigies gia tin sfragida > ta ipolipa ta diavazo apo to katastatiko :-) Anelave ta vivlia kai tis sfragides. leei sto katastatiko kai giafto (kikliki, kentro piguinos mono grammes me simaia kai giro giro to onoma mas (Ellinika Enosi....) kai kato kentro to etos idrisis. episis theloume kai 1 block (i 2) apodeikseon. mila me ti voula apogevma tilefonika Evripidis From bcostas at hol.gr Mon Oct 12 22:11:52 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:11:52 -0700 Subject: Gia tin thesi Webmaster References: <199810121724.KAA05039@www.lrf.gr> Message-ID: <36225478.CB59E5B9@hol.gr> KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS wrote: > Kalimera se olous, > > Tha ithela na sas po oti endiaferomai gia tin thesi tou webmaster. > > Mia mikri anakoinwsi. Den 3ero an ta paidia pou asxolountai me > oracle to exoun pliroforithi alla h Oracle dinei tsampa tin Oracle 8.5 > gia Linux. Perissoteres plirofories sto http://technet.oracle.com. > Mono prosoxi einai 145MB download (kai opoios ante3ei). Re gia koita zhthsh poy exei to Linux!!! Afoy erikse ta moytra ths h Oracle ti allo na perimenoyme se ayto ton kosmo. 6a prospa6hsw kai an to katevasw epityxws enhmerwnw th lista. From theodore at eexi.gr Mon Oct 12 13:49:51 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:49:51 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?=D0=D1?=: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG References: Message-ID: <3621DECF.504AC61@eexi.gr> > > > > Basika skeftomouna exthes kati se styl MAX, NITRO, KLIK, 01, OUT kai > > tetoia pou > > an to proothisoun, tha to kanoun gi' ayto pou les. To parakseno tou > > thematos. Entaksei, mhn ypervaleis, den ennoousa tetoia entypa. Tha mporousame na to steiloume se athinaikes efhmerides px - sxedon oles exoun selides texnologias, alla kai oikonomikes selides - to Linux xoraei kai stis dyo periptoseis. Oso gia to "parakseno", vasika eixa sto myalo mou to arthro toy Vryonh sto RAM peri open source. > > Ta problimata einai 2 > > a) Theloume kati tetoio? Diladi na emfanistoume os mia cult omada > > trellamenwn? Oxi. Theloume na proothisoume to Linux *xoris* na emfanistoyme etsi. Ta periodika toy xoroy ths plhroforikhs *kseroun* gia to Linux kai an theloun na grapsoun grafoun. To thema einai na enhmerosoume kai anthropous pou den diavazoun tetoia periodika. Kai sto kato kato den theloume na emfanistoyme san mia omada techfreaks pou den toys noiazei tipota allo apo ta PC toys. Oi proektaseis toy thematos "open source" se allous xoroys mas endiaferoun, etsi den einai ? :-) > > b) Pws tous prosegizoume? Diladi sygnommi alla den exw skopo na parw > > tilefwno as > > poume to Max kai na tous pw elate na mas parete synenteyxi :-) 2 selides fax ypo morfh deltiou typou. Aplo, sovaro, ki opoios endiaferetai epikoinonei mazi mas... :-) Kai oxi, to Max kai loipes savoures den paizoun... :-) Den einai dyskolo na kanoume mia epilogh, etsi ? > > > > Nai Thodore, na matheis kai meta na grapseis mia analysi tou thematos > > gia to > > RealWorld tou Magaz. H phgh mou molis epiase douleia ekei mesa... Molis taktopoihthei ligo tha arxiso na piezo ... :-) Eyripidh: Tha katso na ftiakso ena draft apo ta etoima keimena peri Linux (ti einai ti Linux klp). T. PS: Exo anakalypsei ena poly kalo comic sto diktyo. To stripaki ths 10hs Oct (kai ta epomena dyo) eksairetika afieromena sthn tamia toy syllogoy... :-) http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/98oct/19981010.html -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Mon Oct 12 13:00:00 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:00:00 +0300 Subject: Gia tin thesi Webmaster In-Reply-To: <36225478.CB59E5B9@hol.gr>; from Costas on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 12:11:52PM -0700 References: <199810121724.KAA05039@www.lrf.gr> <36225478.CB59E5B9@hol.gr> Message-ID: <19981012130000.A249@crystal.i-net.gr> On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 12:11:52PM -0700, Costas wrote: > KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS wrote: > Re gia koita zhthsh poy exei to Linux!!! Afoy erikse ta moytra ths h > Oracle ti allo na perimenoyme se ayto ton kosmo. 6a prospa6hsw kai an to Ma to dinei genikws... ston ftp server mporeis na katebaseis kai tin NT ekdosi. From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 12 16:37:59 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:37:59 -0000 (GMT) Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=D0=D1:?= PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG In-Reply-To: <3621DECF.504AC61@eexi.gr> Message-ID: On 12-Oct-98 Theodore J. Soldatos wrote: > >> > >> > Basika skeftomouna exthes kati se styl MAX, NITRO, KLIK, 01, OUT kai >> > tetoia pou >> > an to proothisoun, tha to kanoun gi' ayto pou les. To parakseno tou >> > thematos. > > Entaksei, mhn ypervaleis, den ennoousa tetoia entypa. Tha mporousame na to > steiloume se athinaikes efhmerides px - sxedon oles exoun selides > texnologias, > alla kai oikonomikes selides - to Linux xoraei kai stis dyo periptoseis. Oso > gia > to "parakseno", vasika eixa sto myalo mou to arthro toy Vryonh sto RAM peri > open > source. Kala, as min pame gia MAX, (itan pragmati ligo astoxo) alla to 01 i to OUT to paizoun interneto-periodika, opote ekei tha mas epairne kati tetoio. Tha protimousa na apofygoume efimerides kai entelws asxeta me to thema entypa, giati kati arthra pou diabasa prosfata se diafores efimerides me bgalane apo ta rouxa mou. To gnwsto se olous "H imimatheia einai xeiroteri apo tin amatheia" fainetai den to exoun akousei, kai mallon mas kanoun kako anti gia kalo. (Poly genikos o aforismos pou kanw, opote katalabaineis oti einai thema gia peretairw syzitisi) >> > Ta problimata einai 2 >> > a) Theloume kati tetoio? Diladi na emfanistoume os mia cult omada >> > trellamenwn? > > Oxi. Theloume na proothisoume to Linux *xoris* na emfanistoyme etsi. Ta > periodika toy xoroy ths plhroforikhs *kseroun* gia to Linux kai an theloun na > grapsoun grafoun. To thema einai na enhmerosoume kai anthropous pou den > diavazoun tetoia periodika. Kai sto kato kato den theloume na emfanistoyme > san > mia omada techfreaks pou den toys noiazei tipota allo apo ta PC toys. Oi > proektaseis toy thematos "open source" se allous xoroys mas endiaferoun, etsi > den einai ? :-) Eeee, nai, mporeis na mou tis peis ki emena? (prosekse, den diafwnw, apla den tis blepw aytes tis proektaseis). > >> > b) Pws tous prosegizoume? Diladi sygnommi alla den exw skopo na parw >> > tilefwno as >> > poume to Max kai na tous pw elate na mas parete synenteyxi :-) > > 2 selides fax ypo morfh deltiou typou. Aplo, sovaro, ki opoios endiaferetai > epikoinonei mazi mas... :-) Kai oxi, to Max kai loipes savoures den > paizoun... >:-) Den einai dyskolo na kanoume mia epilogh, etsi ? Nai more, den einai dyskolo, alla allo einai to thema. 2 selides deltio typou, entaksei, alla poso sobaro? Diladi telika ti deixnoume, ayto pou eimaste, i ayto pou tha thelane oi alloi na eimaste? > >> > >> > Nai Thodore, na matheis kai meta na grapseis mia analysi tou thematos >> > gia to >> > RealWorld tou Magaz. > > H phgh mou molis epiase douleia ekei mesa... Molis taktopoihthei ligo tha > arxiso > na piezo ... :-) > Good, good. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From kokni at eexi.gr Tue Oct 13 00:14:09 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:14:09 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Genika Message-ID: 1) Proteinw na steiloume deltiou typou KAI sthn "super katerina". Prokeitai gia entypo pou den asxoleitai men amesa me tous ypologistes allla mporei na asxolh8ei sto mellon (symfwna me egkyres plhrofories). 2) Proteinw na dwrisoume to linux.gr h kalytera na to klhrwsoume se diagwnismo "poios einai pio afelhs" pou 8a dienergh8ei apo tis selides tou magaz ton epomeno mhna. Na steiloume kai deltio typou sto SKAI kai na bgei kapoios apo to D.S sto para8yro tou Euaggelatou na anakoinwsei oti giname syllogos 3) Epishs, epishs (molis bgoune sfragides klp) na parei o ka8enas apo ena block kai na moirasoume thn a8hna se tomeis (oisoi exoun kanei sthn KNE 3eroun). Etsi 8a exoume xiliades melh afou 8a gyrname porta-porta, geitonia-geitonia me ta kouponia sto xeri. 4) Syfwnw apolyta oti den eimaste tech-freaks (akou ekei, ftou ftou)alla poly koultouriarhdes typoi kai o syllogos mas 8a prepei na enhmerwei thn Estia (isws kai thn Ka8hmerinh) oti ka8e Sabbato apogeuma stis 17:00 (sharp!) bgazoume tsai. 5) Otan sas perisepsei kairos apo tas koinwnikas ekdhlwseis sas, blepoume kai tipota allo... Nikos Kokras P.S. Sympasxw me ton roryt. Den 3erw apo mail-lists alla o an8rwpos katalabainw oti ta exei pai3ei. An me ma8ei pws paizoun 8a boh8eisw kai egw. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Mon Oct 12 23:11:34 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:11:34 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Genika In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199810122005.UAA00480@mk.aua.gr> > Nikos Kokras > P.S. Sympasxw me ton roryt. Den 3erw apo mail-lists alla o an8rwpos > katalabainw oti ta exei pai3ei. An me ma8ei pws paizoun 8a boh8eisw kai > egw. Good, opote exoume idi 2 atoma. Tha enimerotheite poly syntoma (mallon avrio) Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From admin at edessa.topo.auth.gr Mon Oct 12 20:11:32 1998 From: admin at edessa.topo.auth.gr (Kostas Lialiambis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:11:32 +0300 Subject: Πρόβλημα με την κάρτα ήχου. References: <361C91A8.8FA5DB6B@egnatia.ee.auth.gr> Message-ID: <6vte95$3uk$1@edessa.topo.auth.gr> Seretis Dimitrios wrote in message <361C91A8.8FA5DB6B at egnatia.ee.auth.gr>... >Το ΟSS/Linux την αναγνωρίζει.Χρησιμοποίησα αυτά τα settings στο >isapnp.conf αλλά ο kernel αρνείται πεισματικά να την αναγνωρίσει. > >Η κάρτα στο εμπόριο κυκλοφορεί με το όνομα Spacewalker Soundsystem >ΗΟΤ-247. Dhmhtrh, eilikrina eixa kai gw 2 tetoies kartes (me opti93x) kai tis peta3a. Melame tis peta3a sta skoypidia (4.500 h mia prepei na kanane). Brhka thn ygeia moy me 3rd-party kartes poy exoyn panw Vibra16 (to chipset ths SoundBlaster 16). Sas to synistw anepifylakta. 0 problhmata se opoiodhpote leitoyrgiko (diotiz egkatesthsa kata kairoys kai NextStep kai Rhapsody kai QNX kai de 3erw gw ti allo) xwris na plhrwnete ta gamisiatika poy zhta h SoundBlaster. Kor. From ricudis at paiko.gr Mon Oct 12 21:55:44 1998 From: ricudis at paiko.gr (Christos Ricudis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:55:44 +0300 Subject: Genika Message-ID: Hello Hellug! On 12 Oct 98, Hellug wrote to All with subject "Genika": H> 1) Proteinw na steiloume deltiou typou KAI sthn "super katerina". H> Prokeitai gia entypo pou den asxoleitai men amesa me tous H> ypologistes alla mporei na asxolh8ei sto mellon (symfwna me egkyres H> plhrofories). Poly swstes oi protaseis sas. Prepei na tis 8esoume ypopshn ths Genikhs Syneleyshs etsi wste na ksekinhsei h diadikasia orismou ths Ekselegktikhs Epitrophs wste na typopoih8oun kai na oristoyn oi protaseis sas afou analy8oun apo to Kentriko Grafeio, kai ystera na syzhth8ei h ylopoihsh toys sthn Syneleysh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs wste na proxwrhsoyn oi sxetikes ntirektibes stis Topikes Dioikhseis poy ypagontai sto Politiko Grafeio. Bebaia dedomenwn twn sysxetismwn tou Dioikhtikoy Symbouliou mporei na prokypsoyn problhmata me thn Epitroph Katastatikoy, alla den nomizw na einai kati to opoio de mporei na ly8ei me ligh parapanw organwsh.... -- Christos Ricudis "Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot". - anonymous in ASR. From kokni at eexi.gr Tue Oct 13 03:44:22 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:44:22 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Genika In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Poly swstes oi protaseis sas. Prepei na tis 8esoume ypopshn ths Genikhs > Syneleyshs etsi wste na ksekinhsei h diadikasia orismou ths Ekselegktikhs > Epitrophs wste na typopoih8oun kai na oristoyn oi protaseis sas afou analy8oun > apo to Kentriko Grafeio, kai ystera na syzhth8ei h ylopoihsh toys sthn > Syneleysh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs wste na proxwrhsoyn oi sxetikes ntirektibes > stis Topikes Dioikhseis poy ypagontai sto Politiko Grafeio. Bebaia dedomenwn > twn sysxetismwn tou Dioikhtikoy Symbouliou mporei na prokypsoyn problhmata me > thn Epitroph Katastatikoy, alla den nomizw na einai kati to opoio de mporei na > ly8ei me ligh parapanw organwsh.... > -- > Christos Ricudis Dedomenhs ths dhlwmenhs epifyla3hs ths Epitrophs Katastatikou oson afora tous pi8anous sysxetismous twn sysxetizomenwn me to Dioikhtiko Symboulio, senepeia sxetikwn progenesterwn apofasewn twn organwtika ypagomewn sto Politiko Grafeio Topikwn dioikhsewn, kai me thn symfwnh gnwmh autou, proteinw oi ws anw directives na tyxoyn prwta sxetikhs synepe3ergasias meta3y twn syntrofwn ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs wste me thn symfwnh gnwmh toy Kentrikou Grafeioy na proxwrhsei h diadikasia orismou ths E3elegktikhs Epitrophs, opws 8a apofasisei sxetika h Genikh Syneleysh *alla* mono ypo thn proypo8esh oti 8a ypar3ei symfwnh gnwmh ths olomeleias tou Ektelestikou Grafeiou ean bebaia auth symporeuetai me thn gnwmh tou Genikou Grammatea ths. Xairetismata .. Nikos Kokras From mkabrian at acropolis.net Tue Oct 13 02:48:01 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:48:01 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Theseis ergasias Message-ID: <199810122342.XAA00559@mk.aua.gr> Oi theseis ergasias sto hellug, kathorizontai ws eksis: Webmaster: Kremmidas Kleanthis DB-administrator: Maistrelis Kostas Listman: Ioannou Giannis, Kokras Nikos Sibiria-men: Ricudis, Kokras Epifylassontai na boithisoun oi: Mavrogiannopoulos Nikos se themata administration kai o Barakitis Kostas, molis ksemperdepsei kati epeigouses douleies. Episimainw edw, oti einai aparaitito na prosferthoun kai alla atoma gia to tmima WEB, mia pou ayto tha sikosei mallon kai to megalytero baros apo apopsis douleias. Pistevw pantws oti molis arxisoun oi eggrafes tha brethoun atoma me empeiria se HTML kai CGI gia to tmima ayto. Peritto na pw, oti to D.S. den bgazei tin oura tou ap' eksw, antithetws tha syndramei se ola ta tmimata, analoga bebaia me tis gnwseis tou (ayto itan sponta gia mena kai mono). Episis, para to oti emeis ws D.S. exoume kapoies idees gia to ti tha mpei ston komvo ayto, tha thelame kai to feedback apo esas. Tha anakoinwsoume tis idees mas kapoia stigmi tin alli ebdomada afou tis meletisoume kalytera, alla tha thelame na exoume kai protaseis apo ta idrytika meli. Gia to D.S. tou Hellug Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From exindari at math.upatras.gr Tue Oct 13 01:10:10 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:10:10 +0300 Subject: Theseis kai Idees Message-ID: <36227E42.303F161C@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Merikes grhgores idees gia to ti tha mpei ston kombo. Of course poioi eimaste, ta melh, poiow einai o skopos mas kai poia ta mellontika mas sxedia kauvs kai oi trexoyses drasthriothtes mas. Pvw ginetai kapoios melos. Kalo tha einai na mpei otidhpote exei sxesei me Ellhnika kai Linux. Merika yparxoyn hdh sto www.linux.gr. Eixe shzhththei na mpei kai to magaz . Tha ginei telika ?? Nomizv oti dinei sto ekso kosmo mia ypeythini kai sobarh eikona toy HELLUG. Akoma molis teleivsoyn kai ta nomika ( dhladh eimaste kai typika kai nomima syllogos ) tha prepei na kanoyme kai ena posting sto comp.os.linux.announce An kai tha to exetai skeftei hdh. Akoma oson afora tis theseis ergasias (drasthriothtvn k.lp) tyxon zhthmata programming tha me endieferai na ta analabv. H isvw boithia se kati analogo. Tha ithela kai no boithisv kai se zhthmata administration alla den kserv kata poso einai effikto mia poy tvra eimai Patra. Yannis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Oct 13 09:22:17 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:22:17 +0300 Subject: SUPER KATERINA / SUPER PROSFORA References: Message-ID: <3622F199.EBCE6F14@ametro.gr> prosopiko email. legomai Evripidis Papakostas (HELLUG klp) Akousa kai ego poly sovara tis protaseis sou Christo kai alithia ksipnisa kathidros kai provlimatismenos, kai kateliksa to HELLUG ontos xreiazetai kai mia eksetastiki ton pragmaton epitropi ana melos tou ... ti na kanoume exoume bleksei kai me ti grafiokratia. Alloste ksereis kai esi, pos oles aftes oi diadikastikes malakies (dikastika, blokakia, sfragides, etc) einai anagkaio kai anapofefkto na ginoun Peri tis ousias omos. Mia pou exo akousei pos to koutsopelekas to sport tou Linux/BDS - eos kai para poli - (apo ton filo mou ton Alexi ton Couloubi) se periptosi pou kanoume tipota parapano apo publishing stin super Katerina kai to Stavrolyno exeis kathoulou xrono na emplakeis se tipotis administrative issues ? oste na min paroume kai to mixanima sta xeria, me to pou to sindesoume ...? an nai, steile ena mail sto HELLUG kai pes p.x. pos to mixanima tha einai secured by Ricudis, i oti telos pantos boreis/theleis na prosfereis. See'ya Evripidis http://linux.airtour.gr From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Oct 13 09:33:26 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:33:26 +0300 Subject: SUPER KATERINA / SUPER PROSFORA References: <3622F199.EBCE6F14@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3622F436.122F9275@ametro.gr> > prosopiko email. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ anakalipsa pos an einai proi kai kano reply to sto hellug, o mailer mou den diavazei to body na kanei oti ton diataso rita, alla kanei ta dika tou. an exei kanei kaneis kammia alli tetoia anakalipsi na mou pei. E. From nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr Tue Oct 13 09:48:44 1998 From: nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr (Kaminakis Nikos) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:48:44 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Metafora listwmn (as RE: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HE In-Reply-To: <199810120711.KAA20784@mail.hol.gr> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, I.Ioannou wrote: > > Mporo na analabw egw na ksanastisw olo to sistima apo to mhden (doksa to > theo me tin empeiria pou exw apoktisei then nomizw na xreiastoun panw apo > 2-3 meres me xalaroys rithmous). Meta deixnw se opoion endiaferomeno ta > "kolpa" kai mirazoume bardies. > eeemmm einai h prwth fora pou grafw sthn lista .... isws na me 3eroun merikoi .... exw kaoia mikrh empeiria stis mailing lists , esteisa prosfata majordomo sto linux mou, enta3ei ..apo linux prospa0w na ma0ainw oso to dynaton pio polla kai lew ..oti mporw na dia0esw kapoio xrono gia auth thn douleia isws na mhn me 3erete...mporoume na pame gia kana kafe:) pantws mporw na analavw kati tetoio ...kai 0a kanw oti mporw, kai oti perna apo to xeri mou....gia na to ferw eis peras ... 0a xarw poly na voh0hsw.. > > Episis, entelws pliroforiaka, ayti ti stigmi exei ginei reserved to > domain > > hellug.gr kai molis brethei xorigos na mas filoksenisei, tha ginei > register, > > Mhpws tha eitan themito na kanoume niksi kai se HOL (gkoul) gia paraxwrhsh > tou .linux.gr ? (an kai den to blepw toso dogmatika to thema) > > I.Ioannou > kalhmera, nikolas From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Oct 13 13:04:32 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:04:32 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Metafora listwmn (as RE: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13-Oct-98 Kaminakis Nikos wrote: > > eeemmm einai h prwth fora pou grafw sthn lista .... > isws na me 3eroun merikoi .... > exw kaoia mikrh empeiria stis mailing lists , esteisa prosfata majordomo > sto linux mou, > enta3ei ..apo linux prospa0w na ma0ainw oso to dynaton pio polla > kai lew ..oti mporw na dia0esw kapoio xrono gia auth thn douleia > isws na mhn me 3erete...mporoume na pame gia kana kafe:) > > pantws mporw na analavw kati tetoio ...kai 0a kanw oti mporw, kai oti > perna apo to xeri mou....gia na to ferw eis peras ... > > 0a xarw poly na voh0hsw.. > > nikolas Entaksei Niko, se kratame sta yp' opsin. Eyxaristoume gia tin prosfora boitheias. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Oct 13 13:19:08 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:19:08 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Theseis kai Idees In-Reply-To: <36227E42.303F161C@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: On 12-Oct-98 John Exidaridis wrote: > Merikes grhgores idees gia to ti tha mpei ston kombo. > Of course poioi eimaste, ta melh, poiow einai o skopos mas kai poia ta > mellontika mas sxedia kauvs kai oi trexoyses drasthriothtes mas. Pvw > ginetai kapoios melos. > Kalo tha einai na mpei otidhpote exei sxesei me Ellhnika kai Linux. > Merika yparxoyn hdh sto www.linux.gr. Eixe shzhththei na mpei kai to > magaz . Tha ginei telika ?? Nomizv oti dinei sto ekso kosmo mia > ypeythini kai sobarh eikona toy HELLUG. Ola osa aneferes parapanw einai sto programma na mpoun, mazi me alla. Tha akolouthisei mail tou D.S. pou tha analyei ta stoixeia pou tha periexontai sto Web, outws wste na enimerwtheite ki eseis gia tis idees mas. > Akoma molis teleivsoyn kai ta nomika ( dhladh eimaste kai typika kai > nomima syllogos ) tha prepei na kanoyme kai ena posting sto > comp.os.linux.announce An kai tha to exetai skeftei hdh. Tha ginei, alla prepei prwta na milisoume me to prwin Hellug (compulink). Tha to kanw mesa sti bdomada. > > Akoma oson afora tis theseis ergasias (drasthriothtvn k.lp) tyxon > zhthmata programming tha me endieferai na ta analabv. H isvw boithia se > kati analogo. Nomizw oti den yparxei logos na kanoume kai anaptyksi efarmogwn ekei panw, diladi themata programming einai ligo poly ksexwrista projects gia to mellon. Ayto tha parei kairo (toulaxiston 2 mines) mia pou stin arxi prepei na analothoume me ta pio peza, opos web parousiasi kai dimosies sxeseis. Sygnommi se osous antidroun se ayto, alla egw proswpika to thewrw ena aparaitito stadio gia mia epityximeni parousia. > Tha ithela kai no boithisv kai se zhthmata administration alla den > kserv kata poso einai effikto mia poy tvra eimai Patra. > > Yannis H thesi tou administrator mou fainetai oti einai i pio perizititi :-) Elpizw omws na katalabainete oloi, oti i idaiterotita aytis tis thesis, epiballei kapoion me empeiria. Episis, einai ligo-poly mia thesi gia ena atomo (osoi exoun asxolithei me administration paragwgikwn mixanimatwn tha to kseroun) H thesi ayti DEN theoreitai kalymmeni apo kanenan. H idea omws einai i eksis: An to mixanima mpei sto diktyo tou FORTHnet, tha to analabw egw (ws sysadmin tou FORTHnet kai palaiotera tou Geoponikou Panepistimiou, pistevw oti exw tin katallili empeiria gia kati tetoio). Antistoixa, an to mixanima anebei Thessaloniki, tha zitisoume apo ton Ricoudi na to analabei. An to mixanima kataliksei Patra, paizoun poly kala o Kerammidas me ton Gewrgato klp klp klp. An twra, eimaste atyxoi kai to mixanima filoksenithei kapou pou DEN exoume diko mas atomo mesa i poly konta, tha to doume to thema apo alli basi. Gia to D.S. tou Hellug Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Tue Oct 13 11:50:52 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:50:52 +0200 Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG Message-ID: > Kala, as min pame gia MAX, (itan pragmati ligo astoxo) alla to 01 i to OUT > > to paizoun interneto-periodika, opote ekei tha mas epairne kati > tetoio. Tha > > protimousa na apofygoume efimerides kai entelws asxeta me to thema > entypa, > > giati kati arthra pou diabasa prosfata se diafores efimerides me > bgalane apo ta > > rouxa mou. To gnwsto se olous "H imimatheia einai xeiroteri apo tin > amatheia" > > fainetai den to exoun akousei, kai mallon mas kanoun kako anti gia > kalo. > > (Poly genikos o aforismos pou kanw, opote katalabaineis oti einai > thema gia > > peretairw syzitisi) > > Katholou genikos, ontos oi perissoteroi dhmosiografoi einai asxetoi. > Alla kalytera na grapsoun ayta pou tha toys poume emeis para ayta pou > tous lene oi dhmosiosxesites ths MS gia paradeigma. Tha mou peis apo > thn Microsoft ta pairnoun. Ontos, alla en pasei periptosei an den > prospathisoume den tha ginei tipota etsi ki alloios. Yparxoun vevaia > kai asxetoi men alla filotimoi de dhmosiografoi pou prosexoun poly ti > grafoun otan den kseroun to thema. Kai en pasei periptosei, den tha > grapsoun HOW-TO, enhmerotiko arthro tha grapsoun. > > > > mia omada techfreaks pou den toys noiazei tipota allo apo ta PC > toys. Oi > > > proektaseis toy thematos "open source" se allous xoroys mas > endiaferoun, etsi > > > den einai ? :-) > > > > Eeee, nai, mporeis na mou tis peis ki emena? (prosekse, den diafwnw, > apla den > > tis blepw aytes tis proektaseis). > > Oikonomikes: To Linux allazei ta dedomena sto xoro ths mhxanografhshs. > Mia etaireia pou thelei na sthsei ena intranet den xreiazetai na > plhronei "kefaliko foro" sthn MS h sth DEC h sthn IBM. H poiothta toy > software veltionetai. > > Politikes: Eksaitias toy Linux (me aformh mallon) kapoioi anthropoi > arxizoun na synhdeitopoioun ton kindyno pou apotelei mia pantodynamh > etaireia (lege me MS). Den einai tyxaio pou agorazei otidhpote vrei > mprosta ths (kanalia, vivliothikes eikonon klp). > > Koinonikes: Merikes xiliades anthropoi dhmiourgoun ena ergo pagosmias > emveleias (to Open Source Software genikotera) *xoris* na exoun sa > stoxo toys na ta konomhsoune. Stous perissoterous anthropous shmera > ayto fainetai paralogo kai to OSS einai mia kalh aformh gia na > peistoun oti den einai. To OSS einai apodeiksh oti par ola ta xalia > mas, mporei na dhmiourghthei kati xoris na einai dieftharmeno. > > Gia pio emperistatomenh analysh se (ksana)parapempo sto arthro toy > Vryonh sto RAM. > > > Nai more, den einai dyskolo, alla allo einai to thema. 2 selides > deltio typou, > > entaksei, alla poso sobaro? Diladi telika ti deixnoume, ayto pou > eimaste, i > > ayto pou tha thelane oi alloi na eimaste? > > Edo exeis ena sovaro epixeirhma. Meta apo ta mails peri super > katerinas exo arxisei na exo amfivolies gia to ti eimaste telika. > Mallon gia ena matso technofreaks mou fernei. Opote, mia kai den > yparxei etsi ki allios kanena sovaro periodiko pou na steketai sto > dystheorhto ypsos ths texnikhs mas kai hackerikhs mas gnoshs, as pei o > Vryonhs sto RAM oti vgalame sfragida kai as mhn asxolhthoyme allo me > deltia typoy klp. Ti, tha riksoume ta moutra mas na steiloume px sto > Chip h sto Computer gia olous ? Mpaaa... As kanoume recompile thn > teleftaia version toy afalou mas^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H kernel mas. Ta > epigeia den mas endiaferoun. O syllogos einai monasthri kai o Linus > theos kai meis oi kalogeroi. Ooooooooooommmmmmmm, > Ooooooooooommmmmmm....... > > Sovara tora, na ti eimaste (apo to katastatiko): > > > Sκοpοί tου sω?ateίου eίνaι: > > 1. Η sύsfιξη tων des?ών κaι tων sχέseων ?etaξύ tων Ελλήνων χρηstών tου > Linux κaθώς κaι η paροχή aλλολο?οήθeιaς ?etaξύ aυtών. > > 2. H dιeξaγωγή eκpaιdeυtικών ή άλλων dρastηριοtήtων ?e sκοpό tην > ?eλtίωsη tων γνώseων tων ?eλών tου pάνω se θέ?ata tου Linux. > > 3. Η dη?ιουργίa, tροpοpοίηsη κaι pροsaρ?ογή stις eλληνικές aνάγκeς > λογιs?ικού, pου sχetίζetaι ?e tο Linux κaθώς κaι η eλeύθeρη dιaνο?ή > tου > > 4. Η pρο?ολή κaι pροώθηsη tου Linux tόsο se eθνικό όsο κaι se dιeθνές > epίpedο ?e sκοpό tην eυρύteρη dιάdοsή tου ?etaξύ tων χρηstών Η/Υ. > > 5. Η eυaιsθηtοpοίηsη κaι eνη?έρωsη κρatικών ή ιdιωtικών fορέων aλλά > κaι γeνικόteρa οpοιουdήpοte eνdιafeρό?eνου sχetικά ?e tο Linux κaι tων > θe?άtων pου άptονtaι > tόsο aυtού όsο κaι γeνικόteρων θe?άtων pληροfορικής. > > 6. Η eρeυνηtική dρastηρίοtηta tόsο aυtόνο?a eνtός tου sυλλόγου, όsο > κaι se sυνeργasίa ?e άλλους eθνικούς ή dιeθνeίς fορeίς se tο?eίς pου > sχetίζονtaι ?e tην > pληροfορική κaι tο Linux. > > ...kai ayto tha deiksoume. Einai toso periploko ? > > T. > From kokni at eexi.gr Tue Oct 13 16:04:10 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:04:10 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: Theseis ergasias In-Reply-To: <199810122342.XAA00559@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: siberia-men ? auto ti einai ? Nikos Kokras From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Oct 13 14:13:33 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:13:33 -0000 (GMT) Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> > (Poly genikos o aforismos pou kanw, opote katalabaineis oti einai >> thema gia >> > peretairw syzitisi) >> >> Katholou genikos, ontos oi perissoteroi dhmosiografoi einai asxetoi. >> Alla kalytera na grapsoun ayta pou tha toys poume emeis para ayta pou >> tous lene oi dhmosiosxesites ths MS gia paradeigma. Tha mou peis apo >> thn Microsoft ta pairnoun. Ontos, alla en pasei periptosei an den >> prospathisoume den tha ginei tipota etsi ki alloios. Yparxoun vevaia >> kai asxetoi men alla filotimoi de dhmosiografoi pou prosexoun poly ti >> grafoun otan den kseroun to thema. Kai en pasei periptosei, den tha >> grapsoun HOW-TO, enhmerotiko arthro tha grapsoun. Swsta, alla gia na to dieykrinisw, to enimerwtiko arthro tha to grapsoume emeis kai tha tous to dwsoume, etsi? (nai, etsi to katalaba, apla to ksanatsekarw) Analysi kobetai gia logous bandwidth. Eyxaristw pantws. >> > Nai more, den einai dyskolo, alla allo einai to thema. 2 selides >> deltio typou, >> > entaksei, alla poso sobaro? Diladi telika ti deixnoume, ayto pou >> eimaste, i >> > ayto pou tha thelane oi alloi na eimaste? >> >> Edo exeis ena sovaro epixeirhma. Meta apo ta mails peri super >> katerinas exo arxisei na exo amfivolies gia to ti eimaste telika. >> Mallon gia ena matso technofreaks mou fernei. Opote, mia kai den >> yparxei etsi ki allios kanena sovaro periodiko pou na steketai sto >> dystheorhto ypsos ths texnikhs mas kai hackerikhs mas gnoshs, as pei o >> Vryonhs sto RAM oti vgalame sfragida kai as mhn asxolhthoyme allo me >> deltia typoy klp. Ti, tha riksoume ta moutra mas na steiloume px sto >> Chip h sto Computer gia olous ? Mpaaa... As kanoume recompile thn >> teleftaia version toy afalou mas^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H kernel mas. Ta >> epigeia den mas endiaferoun. O syllogos einai monasthri kai o Linus >> theos kai meis oi kalogeroi. Ooooooooooommmmmmmm, >> Ooooooooooommmmmmm....... E.... oxi... den to elega etsi. :-( >> >> Sovara tora, na ti eimaste (apo to katastatiko): >> xrits xrits... >> >> >> ...kai ayto tha deiksoume. Einai toso periploko ? >> >> T. >> Oxi, to thema mou einai to eksis: To katastatiko exei skopo nomiko (na perasei apo dikastiria kai tetoia pragmata). Emeis, eimaste enas syllogos - parea. To katastatiko einai grammeno (swsta gia ton skopo tou) se entelws typiki glwssa. Mipws DEN prepei na to akolouthisoume sta deltia typou? Mipws prepei na ta grapsoume me pio "anthrwpini - pareistiki" diathesi? Den einai apopsi (dystyxos den mporw na katastalaksw ep' aytou), problimatismos einai. Kai perimenw apopseis kai apo allous gia ayto, giati einai POLY sobaro to thema. Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Oct 13 14:19:32 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:19:32 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Theseis ergasias In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13-Oct-98 Nik. Kokras wrote: > siberia-men ? > auto ti einai ? > > Nikos Kokras Gia na mathete na mas gemizete kommounistika synthimata edw mesa, tha sas steiloume stin Siberia :-) (Xioumor einai, min arpaxtoume twra) Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Tue Oct 13 12:26:44 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:26:44 +0200 Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG Message-ID: > Swsta, alla gia na to dieykrinisw, to enimerwtiko arthro tha to grapsoume emeis > > kai tha tous to dwsoume, etsi? (nai, etsi to katalaba, apla to > ksanatsekarw) > > Tha toys steiloume ena deltio typoy. An endiaferthoun, tha erthoun se > epafh me kapoion apo mas opote tha toys *vohthisoume* na grapsoun to > arthro. Den nomizo oti ginetai na toys *dosoume* to arthro... :-) > Yparxei panta to risko o dhmosiografos na grapsei malakies, ayto den > mporoume na to apofygoume. > > > Mipws DEN prepei na to akolouthisoume sta deltia typou? Mipws prepei > na ta > > grapsoume me pio "anthrwpini - pareistiki" diathesi? Den einai > apopsi > > (dystyxos den mporw na katastalaksw ep' aytou), problimatismos > einai. > > Kai perimenw apopseis kai apo allous gia ayto, giati einai POLY > sobaro to thema. > > Pan metron ariston. Den xreiazetai na fainetai to arthro san eggrafo > toy IKA, apo thn allh omos den xreiazetai na fainetai sa na to egrapse > o BOFH mazi me ton Panoush (par olo pou m' aresoun kai oi dyo... :-)). > To apospasma apo to katastatiko to evala os anafora, an kai sto kato > kato pera apo thn morfh toy sthn ousia einai sosto, etsi den einai ? > > T. > From kremidas at lrf.gr Tue Oct 13 13:25:07 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:25:07 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-7?Q?=C3=E9=E1_=F4=EF_=F0=E5=F1=E9=EF=E4=E9=EA=FC_RAM?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <199810131827.LAA01321@www.lrf.gr> Mia mikri paratirisi genika gia ta deltia tipou. Tha ithela na sas po oti epeidi to Idrima Meletwn Lampraki pou douleuw einai kato apo tin idia omprella me to RAM kai olous tous allous organismous tou DOL, mporo na milisw me tous ipeuthinous tou RAM gia na proothisoume oso mporoume to opoio entipo yliko tous steiloyme san sillogos. Allwste exoume 3anasinergasti me to RAM kai sto parelthon san Idrima se alla themata kai gnwrizo arketo kosmo ekei mesa. Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Oct 13 14:43:14 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:43:14 -0000 (GMT) Subject: PRAKTIKA PRWTHS SYNEDRIASHS D.S. HELLUG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13-Oct-98 Σολδάτος Θοδωρής wrote: > Polla kai diafora :-) O.k. symfwnoume stin ousia, opote menei na ftiaxtei to deltio typou kai to ksanasyzitame an prokypsoun alles leptomereis adiefkrinistes. Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Oct 13 14:49:27 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:49:27 -0000 (GMT) Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=C3=E9=E1?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=F4=EF?= =?iso-8859-7?Q?_=F0=E5=F1=E9=EF=E4=E9=EA=FC?= RAM In-Reply-To: <199810131827.LAA01321@www.lrf.gr> Message-ID: On 13-Oct-98 KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS wrote: > Mia mikri paratirisi genika gia ta deltia tipou. > Tha ithela na sas po oti epeidi to Idrima Meletwn Lampraki pou > douleuw einai kato apo tin idia omprella me to RAM kai olous tous > allous organismous tou DOL, mporo na milisw me tous ipeuthinous > tou RAM gia na proothisoume oso mporoume to opoio entipo yliko > tous steiloyme san sillogos. Allwste exoume 3anasinergasti me to > RAM kai sto parelthon san Idrima se alla themata kai gnwrizo > arketo kosmo ekei mesa. > > O.k. Kleanthi, an kai sto RAM exoume kai arthrografo :-) Isws omws gia to Bima na itan poly endiaferon ayto. Mporeis na breis gia ekei akri? Kai na min akousw antidraseis parakalw, to BIMA einai POLY SOBARI efimerida, kai exei filoksenisei arthro tou Foti sto parelthon gia to Linux. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From bcostas at hol.gr Tue Oct 13 22:10:37 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:10:37 -0700 Subject: Για το περιοδικό RAM References: Message-ID: <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr> > Kai na min akousw antidraseis parakalw, to BIMA einai POLY SOBARI efimerida, > kai exei filoksenisei arthro tou Foti sto parelthon gia to Linux. > Hrema re paidia, giati na akoyseis dhladh antidraseis? To Bhma einai h megalyterh se kykloforia efhmerida sthn Ellada kai exei kai ena alpha kyros kai exei kai monima ar6ra gia ypologistes. > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > FORTHnet Technical Department > mkab at forthnet.gr > ----------------------------- From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Tue Oct 13 13:09:38 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:09:38 +0300 Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?=C3=E9=E1__=F4=EF__=F0=E5=F1=E9=EF=E4=E9=EA=FC_RAM?= In-Reply-To: <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr>; from Costas on Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 12:10:37PM -0700 References: <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr> Message-ID: <19981013130938.A312@crystal.i-net.gr> On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 12:10:37PM -0700, Costas wrote: > > Kai na min akousw antidraseis parakalw, to BIMA einai POLY SOBARI efimerida, > > kai exei filoksenisei arthro tou Foti sto parelthon gia to Linux. > > Hrema re paidia, giati na akoyseis dhladh antidraseis? To Bhma einai h megalyterh > se kykloforia efhmerida sthn Ellada kai exei kai ena alpha kyros kai exei kai > monima ar6ra gia ypologistes. Paliotera eixe dyo arthra gia ypologistes, twra exei 1 arthro, an mporei na theorithei arthro auto. Kai auto giati proothei enan austira katanalotiko tropo xrisis twn ypologistwn (alloste einai gnwstes kai oi apopseis tou mister pou arthografei). Nikos From fm94 at freemail.gr Tue Oct 13 14:47:57 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:47:57 +0200 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981013134757.00850cd0@teemail.tee.gr> mias kai 3ekinisame tin diadikasia gia to pos prepei na einai to site tou hellug 8a kano kai tis dikes mou protaseis: epidi to site mas apef8inete se ena pli8os xriston internet kai oxi mono se kapious micro$oft users pou exoyn io8etisei oti teleftea aidia pasarei i micro$oft nomizo oti to site 8a prepei na tirei kapies proipo8esei pou gia mena ine vasikes opos: Best Viewed With Any Browser (http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/) iparxei to manifesto kai sta elinika sinoptika oxi perita i ka8olou javascript , java , cookie, image map klp oxi video klp oxi ena karo animgif kai genika tsirko selides.. oxi tags pou den ilopiounte se olous tous browser.. na vazoune perigrafes stis ikones.. na vazoume meta keywords me to codepage kai gia to ti periexei i selida stin periptosi pou xrisimopoiisoume cookie na ine mono an den ginete alios kai na ginete set me cgi oxi me javascript ena xrisimopoiisoume javascript na prose3oyme na ine palia version kai simvati kai me olous tous browser.. episis 8a itan kalo na exoyne kai text only selides gia tous filous tou lynx.. alo 8ema ine oti kalo 8a itan na io8etisoume ergalia tou unix/linux diladi tixon ar8ra i ektenoi kimena pou 8a exoume sto site na ta parexoume ektos apo html kai se sgml gia ta proterimata pou exei afto kai oloi ta 3eroume enoite oti kapies selides 8a ine digloses den 3ero an krinete aparetito tin xrisi fragkolevantinikon san triti epilogi.. ena alo 8ema ine to mege8os ton selidon.. kalo 8a itan na paroune san vasiko mege8os o8onis gia afton pou diavazei to 640x480 episis gif 8a valoume i mono jpg?? (rotao me aformi me to zitima ton dikeomaton apo tin compuserve) kai gia na teliono na rotiso kati pou me kaiei emena san asxoloumenos me to dbms ta viografika 8a ine diglosa??? Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From fm94 at freemail.gr Tue Oct 13 12:51:17 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:51:17 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?=C3=E9=E1__=F4=EF__=F0=E5=F1=E9=EF=E4=E9=EA=FC_RAM?= In-Reply-To: <19981013130938.A312@crystal.i-net.gr> References: <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr> <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981013115117.00855100@teemail.tee.gr> At 01:09 ?? 13/10/1998 +0300, you wrote: >On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 12:10:37PM -0700, Costas wrote: > >> > Kai na min akousw antidraseis parakalw, to BIMA einai POLY SOBARI efimerida, >> > kai exei filoksenisei arthro tou Foti sto parelthon gia to Linux. >> >> Hrema re paidia, giati na akoyseis dhladh antidraseis? To Bhma einai h megalyterh >> se kykloforia efhmerida sthn Ellada kai exei kai ena alpha kyros kai exei kai >> monima ar6ra gia ypologistes. >Paliotera eixe dyo arthra gia ypologistes, twra exei 1 arthro, an mporei >na theorithei arthro auto. Kai auto giati proothei enan austira katanalotiko >tropo xrisis twn ypologistwn (alloste einai gnwstes kai oi apopseis tou >mister pou arthografei). ipame na min sxoliasoume.. ala den ante3a.. siga ta ar8ra olo trixes leei tou exo stilei 2 fores mail gia anakrivies pou egrafan tin mia fora itan kai sxetiko me linux.. kai den apantisan From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Oct 13 17:21:52 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:21:52 -0000 (GMT) Subject: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981013134757.00850cd0@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: On 13-Oct-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > mias kai 3ekinisame tin diadikasia gia to pos prepei na einai to site tou > hellug > 8a kano kai tis dikes mou protaseis: Kwsta irema... > > epidi to site mas apef8inete se ena pli8os xriston internet kai oxi mono > se kapious micro$oft users pou exoyn io8etisei oti teleftea aidia pasarei > i micro$oft Semnaaaaa.... > > nomizo oti to site 8a prepei na tirei kapies proipo8esei pou gia mena ine > vasikes > opos: > > Best Viewed With Any Browser (http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/) > iparxei to manifesto kai sta elinika > > sinoptika > oxi perita i ka8olou javascript , java , cookie, image map klp Kai kala javascript. Alla java? cookie? image map? > oxi video klp Apo pou ki os pou? > oxi ena karo animgif kai genika tsirko selides.. Thema goustou, den nomizeis? Thema tou webmaster > oxi tags pou den ilopiounte se olous tous browser.. > na vazoune perigrafes stis ikones.. > na vazoume meta keywords me to codepage kai gia to ti periexei i selida Aparaitita kai ta tria, alla to prwto einai asxeto. > > stin periptosi pou xrisimopoiisoume cookie na ine mono an den ginete alios > kai na ginete set me cgi oxi me javascript > > ena xrisimopoiisoume javascript na prose3oyme na ine palia version kai > simvati > kai me olous tous browser.. > Katse re kwsta, poious olous tous browsers? Diladi se endiaferei i diaforetiki ylopoiisi javascript (Netscape) apo jscript (Explorer) ? Giati emena DEN me endiaferei. Parapanv eipes oxi javascript, kai sou lew, wraia, oxi proxorimeni javascript giati den tin katalabainei to Netscape 3, alla ayto einai allo thema (akou symbati me olous) > > episis 8a itan kalo na exoyne kai text only selides gia tous filous > tou lynx.. Episis sosto, alla eksartatai apo ton xrono. Kai telos, etsi opos ta eleges pio panw, milas MONO gia text-only selides. > > alo 8ema ine oti kalo 8a itan na io8etisoume ergalia tou unix/linux > diladi > tixon ar8ra i ektenoi kimena pou 8a exoume sto site > na ta parexoume ektos apo html kai se sgml gia ta proterimata pou exei afto > kai oloi ta 3eroume Se synnenoisi me ton webmaster. An to tmima web den kserei SGML, sygnommi alla den tha meinoume xwris selides. Terma. > > enoite oti kapies selides 8a ine digloses > den 3ero an krinete aparetito tin xrisi fragkolevantinikon san triti > epilogi.. Thema tou webmaster. > > ena alo 8ema ine to mege8os ton selidon.. > kalo 8a itan na paroune san vasiko mege8os o8onis gia afton pou > diavazei to 640x480 Thema tou webmaster, alla pliroforiaka, oi selides sto Internet einai kata 90% ftiagmenes gia 800X600. > > episis gif 8a valoume i mono jpg?? > (rotao me aformi me to zitima ton dikeomaton apo tin compuserve) Oti eksipiretei ton webmaster. Den tha allaxoume to Internet, etsi? kai yparxei kai to free gif an den ksereis. > > kai gia na teliono na rotiso > kati pou me kaiei emena san asxoloumenos me to dbms > > ta viografika 8a ine diglosa??? Opos thelei o kathenas, alla min biazesai. Akouses pouthena na legetai gia biografika EKTOS apo proswpikes syzitiseis? > > > Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr Kwsta, entelws filika, o diamoirasmos armodiotitwn exei ena skopo. Thelw na pw to eksis: To kathe tmima dinei logo MONO sto D.S. kai to D.S. stin geniki synelefsi. Na petagetai sta kala kathoumena o kathenas kai na leei to makry tou kai to konto tou DEN boithaei. Asxolisou me tin Postgres kai ase to web gia ton Kleanthi. Giati an arxisei kai sou leei o Kleanthis oti bale Oracle, o Ioannou bale Sybase, o Kokras bale MySQL, ante na breis akri. Kai an arxisoume na leme tou Ioannou bale Majordomo, i bale listproc i oti allo (kai gia na min polylogw, katalabes tin idea).... DEN tha bgaloume akri. Gi ayto dimiourgithikan oi omades ergasias. Gia na exoume mia syntonismeni kai SOBARI drasi, kai oxi na to kanoume kafeneio edw mesa me tis fwnes. Parakalw telos tis syzitisis. O proedros tou D.S. tou HELLUG Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Oct 13 14:35:22 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:35:22 +0300 Subject: References: Message-ID: <36233AFA.60F8CA1A@ametro.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > On 13-Oct-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > mias kai 3ekinisame tin diadikasia gia to pos prepei na einai to > site tou > > hellug > > 8a kano kai tis dikes mou protaseis: na po kai go tis dikes mou. oi selides tha ginoun me ton ena i ton allo tropo. Opoios thelei kai diaforetiki tous version (greeklish, text, english klp) -na po kai ego tin amartia mou kai ego tha'thela merika greeklish i english p.x. POS THA STHSETE ELLHNIKA, as vrei xrono, partners, resources kai kata to linux protypo, as steilei ston www master mas ena mail me attached gz "na mia alli version kapoion selidon sas, an thelete ensomatoste kai aftes". Kai etsi oloi eftixismenoi? From kremidas at lrf.gr Tue Oct 13 16:46:57 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:46:57 +0000 Subject: Gia paratiriseis sto web Message-ID: <199810132149.OAA02458@www.lrf.gr> Loipon gia na min ypar3oun pare3igiseis kai gia na min dimiourgithi kanena problima opoios thelei kai exei na proteini kati gia to web as mou steilei ena prosopiko mail opote kai to sizitame. Pisteuw pos o Mixalis (Kabrianis) exei dikio oson afora to simeio peri armodiotitwn. Den yparxei logo na gemizoume tin lista me protaseis. Gi'auto kai proteino opoios exei kapoia protasi as tin steilei me prosopiko mail, icq klp ston allo. Pistew den uparxei logos na dimiourgithoun pare3igiseis. Apo tin dikia mou pleura tha skefto ena skeleto - me basi kai auta pou tha mou peite - gia to site kai tha to steilo sto DS (isws kai kapoio demo) Filika, Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From exindari at math.upatras.gr Tue Oct 13 15:10:17 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:10:17 +0300 Subject: Για το περιοδικό RAM References: <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr> <19981013130938.A312@crystal.i-net.gr> Message-ID: <36234329.EDC8B929@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 12:10:37PM -0700, Costas wrote: > > > > Kai na min akousw antidraseis parakalw, to BIMA einai POLY SOBARI efimerida, > > > kai exei filoksenisei arthro tou Foti sto parelthon gia to Linux. > > > > Hrema re paidia, giati na akoyseis dhladh antidraseis? To Bhma einai h megalyterh > > se kykloforia efhmerida sthn Ellada kai exei kai ena alpha kyros kai exei kai > > monima ar6ra gia ypologistes. > Paliotera eixe dyo arthra gia ypologistes, twra exei 1 arthro, an mporei > na theorithei arthro auto. Kai auto giati proothei enan austira katanalotiko > tropo xrisis twn ypologistwn (alloste einai gnwstes kai oi apopseis tou > mister pou arthografei). > > Nikos Sigoura apeythinetai se katanalvtiko koino alla an theloyme na steiloyme deltio typoy se efhmerida tote to BHMA isvw einai h monh mas epilogh. Opvw kseroyme diabazetai apo para polloyw , psagmenoyns, mh psagmenoys, sxetikoys , asxetoys k.lp kai einai isvw h monh poy mporei na filoksenisei tetoia arthra. Apla xreiazetai prosoxh ov pros ton tono kai to periexomeno toy artrhoy giati apla tha to diabasei o kathenas opote tha prepei na toy meinei mia thetikh entypvsh. Yannis From fm94 at freemail.gr Tue Oct 13 16:15:28 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:15:28 +0200 Subject: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981013134757.00850cd0@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981013151528.00857730@teemail.tee.gr> Katarxin nomizo oti pare3igi8ika.. stin arxi tou minimatos grafei >mias kai 3ekinisame tin diadikasia gia to pos prepei na einai to site tou >hellug >8a kano kai tis dikes mou protaseis: pistevo oti ine 3eka8aro oti kano protaseis.. den ipoxreono kanena na tis io8etisei.. aftoi pou 8a sxediasoun to site aplos 8a lavoun iposi tis protasis mou.. diladi ama vgei kapios kai kanei mia protasi gia tin dbms ti 8a prepei na kano na giriso kai na tou po ante kai @#$@#$%#@. ego to vlepo alios.. makari na moy ekanan oloi protaseis gia to pos 8a i8elan na litourgei i vasi.. afto den simenoi oti 8a ekana ola afta poy 8a protinan ala sigoyra 8a ekana kati kalitero apo to na ekana tou kefaliou mou den katalaveno pou ine to provlima me to na kanei kapios mia protasi episis e8esa ipopsi kai ston klean8i oti an 8elei otidipote sxetika me cgi oti mporo na voi8iso.. kai 8a io8etiso tin ipodi3i tou klean8i gia tin apostoli protaseon me prosopiko mail katef8ian ston idio. kai akoulou8o kai go: gia opia ipodi3i-protasi sxetika me tin dbms stilte se mena me prosopiko mail.. na kai nomizo oti kai oi ipolipoi 8a prepei na lavoun ipopsi ton protaseon.. tespa. epidi den 8elo na dieoniso to thread apantao se merikes mono apo tis ipodi3is tou mixali.. giati nomizo oti oi protasis mou itan kakodiatipomenes kai pare3igi8ikan: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> oxi tags pou den ilopiounte se olous tous browser.. >> na vazoune perigrafes stis ikones.. >> na vazoume meta keywords me to codepage kai gia to ti periexei i selida > >Aparaitita kai ta tria, alla to prwto einai asxeto. > giati asxeto.. ama diladi ftiakseis enan periergo pinaka kata w3 specifications kai ton vlepei sosta mono o IE? ine oreo afto? >> stin periptosi pou xrisimopoiisoume cookie na ine mono an den ginete alios >> kai na ginete set me cgi oxi me javascript >> >> ena xrisimopoiisoume javascript na prose3oyme na ine palia version kai >> simvati >> kai me olous tous browser.. >> > >Katse re kwsta, poious olous tous browsers? Diladi se endiaferei i diaforetiki >ylopoiisi javascript (Netscape) apo jscript (Explorer) ? >Giati emena DEN me endiaferei. Parapanv eipes oxi javascript, kai sou lew, >wraia, oxi proxorimeni javascript giati den tin katalabainei to Netscape 3, >alla ayto einai allo thema (akou symbati me olous) > giati ama ti javascript tin katalavenei kai to lynx ine kako?? >> alo 8ema ine oti kalo 8a itan na io8etisoume ergalia tou unix/linux >> diladi >> tixon ar8ra i ektenoi kimena pou 8a exoume sto site >> na ta parexoume ektos apo html kai se sgml gia ta proterimata pou exei afto >> kai oloi ta 3eroume > >Se synnenoisi me ton webmaster. An to tmima web den kserei SGML, sygnommi alla >den tha meinoume xwris selides. Terma. > Den enoo afto leo gia ektenei kimena kai ar8ra.. min mou peis oti o www master 8a grafei ta ar8ra .. diladi 8a toy stelno ta xirografa kai 8a ta pliktrologoi aftos? o ka8enas poy 8a stelnei ena tipou ar8ro kalo ine na to kanei se sgml --- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Oct 13 15:19:46 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:19:46 +0300 Subject: Για το περιοδικό RAM References: <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr> <19981013130938.A312@crystal.i-net.gr> <36234329.EDC8B929@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <36234562.C30710FA@ametro.gr> John Exidaridis wrote: > > Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 12:10:37PM -0700, Costas wrote: > > > > > > Kai na min akousw antidraseis parakalw, to BIMA einai POLY > SOBARI efimerida, > > > > kai exei filoksenisei arthro tou Foti sto parelthon gia to > Linux. > > > > > > Hrema re paidia, giati na akoyseis dhladh antidraseis? To Bhma > einai h megalyterh > > > se kykloforia efhmerida sthn Ellada kai exei kai ena alpha kyros > kai exei kai > > > monima ar6ra gia ypologistes. > > Paliotera eixe dyo arthra gia ypologistes, twra exei 1 arthro, an > mporei > > na theorithei arthro auto. Kai auto giati proothei enan austira > katanalotiko > > tropo xrisis twn ypologistwn (alloste einai gnwstes kai oi apopseis > tou > > mister pou arthografei). > > > > Nikos > > Sigoura apeythinetai se katanalvtiko koino alla an theloyme na > steiloyme deltio typoy se efhmerida tote to BHMA isvw einai h monh mas > epilogh. Opvw kseroyme diabazetai apo para polloyw , psagmenoyns, mh > psagmenoys, sxetikoys , asxetoys k.lp kai einai isvw h monh poy > mporei > na filoksenisei tetoia arthra. Apla xreiazetai prosoxh ov pros ton > tono > kai to periexomeno toy artrhoy giati apla tha to diabasei o kathenas > opote tha prepei na toy meinei mia thetikh entypvsh. > > Yannis Re paidia, anti na to sizitame all day long, giati den mas stelnei o kathenas pou exei kati na sinisferei peri aftou, o,ti borei na grapsei, na exoume kai etoimo iliko gia copy/paste kai etoimes tis idees na kataliksoume se ena? Den simainei oti tha figei aftousio, pali tha sizitithei, alla toulaxiston tha exoume os anafora kati xeiropiasto pleon, pano sto opoio tha ginoun oi sxoliasmoi. Gianni (Eksidaridi) bas kai exeis ligo xrono ? From bcostas at hol.gr Wed Oct 14 01:37:28 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:37:28 -0700 Subject: Για το περιοδικό RAM References: <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr> <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr> <3.0.5.32.19981013115117.00855100@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <3623D628.D0113837@hol.gr> > ipame na min sxoliasoume.. > ala den ante3a.. > siga ta ar8ra olo trixes leei > tou exo stilei 2 fores mail gia anakrivies pou egrafan > tin mia fora itan kai sxetiko me linux.. > kai den apantisan Pantws eite ta ar6ra toy einai swsta eite oxi mia paroysiash gia to Hellug sto Bhma mono kalo 6a mas kanei. Twra oson afora ta ar6ra toy ayto einai allh istoria, poy den einai dikh moy doyleia na to krinw. From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Oct 13 18:39:49 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:39:49 -0000 (GMT) Subject: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981013151528.00857730@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: On 13-Oct-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > > Katarxin nomizo oti pare3igi8ika.. stin arxi tou minimatos grafei > >>mias kai 3ekinisame tin diadikasia gia to pos prepei na einai to site tou >>hellug >>8a kano kai tis dikes mou protaseis: > > pistevo oti ine 3eka8aro oti kano protaseis.. > den ipoxreono kanena na tis io8etisei.. > aftoi pou 8a sxediasoun to site aplos 8a lavoun iposi tis protasis mou.. To styl sou... > > diladi ama vgei kapios kai kanei mia protasi gia tin dbms ti 8a prepei > na kano na giriso kai na tou po ante kai @#$@#$%#@. Den sou eipa kai na pas na .... > ego to vlepo alios.. makari na moy ekanan oloi protaseis gia to pos 8a > i8elan na litourgei i vasi.. afto den simenoi oti 8a ekana ola afta > poy 8a protinan ala sigoyra 8a ekana kati kalitero apo to na ekana > tou kefaliou mou Kanenas den tha kanei tou kefaliou tou. Kai kanenas den tha pei ston allo pws tha kanei tin douleia tou. H eythyni gia kathe tmima einai tou "omadarxi" kai se periptwsi kollimatos, apeythynomaste gia idees kai stous allous. Einai ligo diaforetiko apo to na stelnei kapoios ena sentoni me ypodeikseis, den nomizeis? Kai na to ksekinaei malista kai me tropo pou na ypodilonei oti: H ta akoloutheite, H.... >>epidi to site mas apef8inete se ena pli8os xriston internet kai oxi mono >>se kapious micro$oft users pou exoyn io8etisei oti teleftea aidia pasarei >>i micro$oft > > den katalaveno pou ine to provlima me to na kanei kapios mia protasi Pouthena apolytws. Epanalambanw, to styl sou.... > episis e8esa ipopsi kai ston klean8i oti an 8elei otidipote sxetika me cgi > oti mporo na voi8iso.. Oraia, kai tetoia boitheia kai allilosynergasia tha xreiastei metaksy olwn twn omadwn. > > kai 8a io8etiso tin ipodi3i tou klean8i gia tin apostoli protaseon me > prosopiko mail katef8ian ston idio. > O.k. poly kalytera etsi > > kai akoulou8o kai go: gia opia ipodi3i-protasi sxetika me tin dbms stilte se > mena me prosopiko mail.. > na kai nomizo oti kai oi ipolipoi 8a prepei na lavoun ipopsi ton protaseon.. > tespa. Profanws einai "an" ayto to "na" ekei panw.. Osoi theloune kanoun protaseis se sena. An ESY tis theoreis ylopoiisimes, efiktes klp klp klp tis ylopoieis, se synnenoisi me osous allous emplekontai (p.x. min gyriseis kai mou peis oti tha ftiaxeis mia basi me 10 fotografies tou kathenos mas, giati einai eykola ylopoiisimi gia sena, alla pou na sou brw egw toso disko?) An problimatizesai, apeythynesai stin lista. Toso apla, kai parallila toso ORGANWMENA. DEN tha afisw oso eimai edw pou me balate, na ginei o syllogos "mpate skyloi aleste". Epeidi exw dei polles omorfes kai elpidofores prospatheies - douleies na xalane etsi. An exete antitheti apopsi, ypomoni. Dyo mines einai mono. H sto katw katw zitiste mou na paraitithw kai tha to kanw. Alliws, parakalw na symmorfvtheite me to organogramma to opoio xontrika ethesa, kai syntoma tha to thesw (afou bebaia synennoithw kai me ta ypoloipa meli tou D.S.) kai pio analytika. > epidi den 8elo na dieoniso to thread apantao se merikes mono apo tis > ipodi3is > tou mixali.. > giati nomizo oti oi protasis mou itan kakodiatipomenes kai pare3igi8ikan: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > >>> oxi tags pou den ilopiounte se olous tous browser.. >>> na vazoune perigrafes stis ikones.. >>> na vazoume meta keywords me to codepage kai gia to ti periexei i selida >> >>Aparaitita kai ta tria, alla to prwto einai asxeto. >> > giati asxeto.. > ama diladi ftiakseis enan periergo pinaka kata w3 specifications > kai ton vlepei sosta mono o IE? > ine oreo afto? Oxi, katholou oraio, alla nomizw oti ola ta specs pou exoun bgei apo to w3 yposrtirizontai apo olous tous browsers.Oi pinakes einai se HTML standard, kai ypostirizontai, h Dynamic HTML den einai se kanena standard kai den ypostirizetai. Etsi den einai? Mporei na kanw kai lathos bebaia. > >>> stin periptosi pou xrisimopoiisoume cookie na ine mono an den ginete alios >>> kai na ginete set me cgi oxi me javascript >>> >>> ena xrisimopoiisoume javascript na prose3oyme na ine palia version kai >>> simvati >>> kai me olous tous browser.. >>> >> >>Katse re kwsta, poious olous tous browsers? Diladi se endiaferei i > diaforetiki >>ylopoiisi javascript (Netscape) apo jscript (Explorer) ? >>Giati emena DEN me endiaferei. Parapanv eipes oxi javascript, kai sou lew, >>wraia, oxi proxorimeni javascript giati den tin katalabainei to Netscape 3, >>alla ayto einai allo thema (akou symbati me olous) >> > > giati ama ti javascript tin katalavenei kai to lynx ine kako?? Giati, to lynx AN katalabainei javascript, katalabainei alli apo aytin tou Netscape 3? > >>> alo 8ema ine oti kalo 8a itan na io8etisoume ergalia tou unix/linux >>> diladi >>> tixon ar8ra i ektenoi kimena pou 8a exoume sto site >>> na ta parexoume ektos apo html kai se sgml gia ta proterimata pou exei > afto >>> kai oloi ta 3eroume >> >>Se synnenoisi me ton webmaster. An to tmima web den kserei SGML, sygnommi > alla >>den tha meinoume xwris selides. Terma. >> > > Den enoo afto leo gia ektenei kimena kai ar8ra.. min mou peis oti o www > master > 8a grafei ta ar8ra .. diladi 8a toy stelno ta xirografa kai 8a ta > pliktrologoi > aftos? > o ka8enas poy 8a stelnei ena tipou ar8ro kalo ine na to kanei se sgml > > --- Akoma xeirotera. Egw fantazomai, kai apo tin empeiria mou sto magaz, oti otan sou erxetai ena arthro, erxetai se txt. Kai bebaia den tha daktylografei apo xeirografa, alla den tha katsei kai na kanei tin malakia pou kanw egw gia to magaz, na gyrizei ola ta arthra se sgml. Giati mas apasxolei kai o xronos, ena paixnidi pou to exoume xasei me to Magaz, kai i epikairotita. Kai min mou peis oti o xronos na to gyriseis se sgml i se html to txt einai idios, giati tha sou epanalabw, oti PREPEI na kserei sgml gia na ginei ayto. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From exindari at math.upatras.gr Tue Oct 13 15:41:58 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:58 +0300 Subject: Για το περιοδικό RAM References: <3623A5AD.42AE8071@hol.gr> <19981013130938.A312@crystal.i-net.gr> <36234329.EDC8B929@ermis.math.upatras.gr> <36234562.C30710FA@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <36234A96.52862C89@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Re paidia, anti na to sizitame all day long, giati den mas stelnei o > kathenas pou exei kati na sinisferei peri aftou, o,ti borei na grapsei, > na exoume kai etoimo iliko gia copy/paste kai etoimes tis idees na > kataliksoume se ena? Den simainei oti tha figei aftousio, pali tha > sizitithei, alla toulaxiston tha exoume os anafora kati xeiropiasto > pleon, pano sto opoio tha ginoun oi sxoliasmoi. > > Gianni (Eksidaridi) bas kai exeis ligo xrono ? OK tha dv ti mporv na kanv Yannis From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Tue Oct 13 15:45:34 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:45:34 +0300 ( ) Subject: Theseis ergasias In-Reply-To: <199810122342.XAA00559@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Oi theseis ergasias sto hellug, kathorizontai ws eksis: > > Webmaster: Kremmidas Kleanthis > DB-administrator: Maistrelis Kostas > Listman: Ioannou Giannis, Kokras Nikos Einai polu kalos o parapanw syndiasmos. Tha ithela na symplhrwsw malista oti proteinw ws basiko root ton Kremmida Kleanthi, o opoios exei ksanakanei tetoia brwmodouleia (admin se mhxanhma me allous 2 root, pou oloi to kynhgane apo to Internet :-). YG: Den exw diabasei ola ta emails, oute mporw na ta diabasw ola, logw ellhnikwn... - opote theoriste me parathrhth... Xairetw, ayth th fora apo Ljubljana (Slovenia). +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From voulariba at rocketmail.com Tue Oct 13 15:49:10 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eggrafh newn melwn Message-ID: <19981013124910.19448.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Sxetika me thn eggrafh newn melwn sto syllogo : Opoios thelei na graftei sto HELLUG, mporei na katathesei ta xrhmata se opoiodhpote ypokatasthma ths Trapeza Pistews, ston arithmo logariasmou 150-002101-028158. O logariasmos (mporei na sas rwthsoun) exei ekdwthei sto Kat/sthma Axarnwn. To poso pou prepei na katathesete einai 7000 draxmes (7000= 5000 eggrafh + 2000 ethsia syndromh) Na zhthsete apo thn Trapeza na sas dwsei apodeiksh oti katathesate afta ta xrhmata kai na krathsete afto to apokomma, tha xreiastei. Afou katathesete ta lefta, mou stelnete proswpiko mail sto voulariba at rocketmail.com kai mou lete pws valate ta lefta kai thn hmeromhnia pou ta katathesate. Tha parete kapoia apodeiksh apo to syllogo gia ta lefta pou dwsate eite apo konta, eite taxydromika gia osous menoun makria. Ennoeitai pws ta idrytika melh pou exoun plhrwsei 10000 drs. de tha ksanaplhrwsoun kai tha paroun apodeiksh oti plhrwsan. Epishs, opoios den mporei na katathesei ta lefta sthn Pistews, as mou steilei proswpiko mail na synanthithoume, h na vroume mia allh lysi gia ta xrhmata. H tamias, Voula Sanida _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From fm94 at freemail.gr Tue Oct 13 20:30:45 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:30:45 +0200 Subject: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981013151528.00857730@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981013193045.00826bb0@teemail.tee.gr> At 03:39 ?? 13/10/1998 -0000, you wrote: >> den katalaveno pou ine to provlima me to na kanei kapios mia protasi > >Pouthena apolytws. Epanalambanw, to styl sou.... > xerome idietera pou telika to provlima itan to styl mou kai li8ike i pare3igisis kai gia na telionome siga siga kai me ta ala: >Oxi, katholou oraio, alla nomizw oti ola ta specs pou exoun bgei apo to w3 >yposrtirizontai apo olous tous browsers.Oi pinakes einai se HTML standard, kai >ypostirizontai, h Dynamic HTML den einai se kanena standard kai den >ypostirizetai. Etsi den einai? Mporei na kanw kai lathos bebaia. kanis la8os.. pola apo ta specs toy w3 ine diaforetika ilopiimena se diaforous browser kai merika den iparxoun ka8olou px i ilopoiish sin8eton pinakon pou kapies apo tis plevres tous den fenonte, an 8es mporo na sou stilo paradigma >Giati, to lynx AN katalabainei javascript, katalabainei alli apo aytin tou >Netscape 3? > katalavenei ena micro iposinolo apo afto tou netscape.. kai iparxoun kapies entoles pou trexoyn mono se IE i mono se Netscape Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com /*__gcc_prog._____________________cut here__________________________________*/ p(r,c) int r;char c;{int i,j,k;for(i=1;i32;l--){p(l,e[l-33]);}printf("\n");} From mkabrian at acropolis.net Tue Oct 13 23:39:47 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:39:47 -0000 (GMT) Subject: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981013193045.00826bb0@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <199810132033.UAA00945@mk.aua.gr> > > kai gia na telionome siga siga kai me ta ala: > > >>Oxi, katholou oraio, alla nomizw oti ola ta specs pou exoun bgei apo to w3 >>yposrtirizontai apo olous tous browsers.Oi pinakes einai se HTML standard, > kai >>ypostirizontai, h Dynamic HTML den einai se kanena standard kai den >>ypostirizetai. Etsi den einai? Mporei na kanw kai lathos bebaia. > > kanis la8os.. > pola apo ta specs toy w3 ine diaforetika ilopiimena se > diaforous browser kai merika den iparxoun ka8olou > px i ilopoiish sin8eton pinakon pou kapies apo tis > plevres tous den fenonte, an 8es mporo na sou stilo paradigma Oxi, se pistevw, apla mou fainetai xazo. Diladi osoi browsers den ypostirizoun ta standards, kako tou kefaliou tous. Etsi to lew. Kai den thelw na meinei pisw to hellug gia pros ta pisw symbatotita me opoiondipote browser, efoson yparxoun alloi browsers (gia Linux profanws) pou katalabainoun ta standards. Kai den milaw bebaia gia dedicated ylopoiiseis, alla gia standards. > > >>Giati, to lynx AN katalabainei javascript, katalabainei alli apo aytin tou >>Netscape 3? >> > katalavenei ena micro iposinolo apo afto tou netscape.. > kai iparxoun kapies entoles pou trexoyn mono se IE i mono se Netscape > > Nomiza oti den katalabaine katholou javascriptrs :-( Sorry gia ayto. Twra oi entoles poy yparxoun mono se Netscape i se Explorer mallon den einai standard, opote erxomaste pali sto proigoumeno... > > > Maistrelis Kostas fm94 at tee.gr fm94 at freemail.gr > icq mail: 3957133 at pager.mirabilis.com Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Wed Oct 14 02:42:41 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:42:41 +0300 Subject: Article gia to HELLUG Message-ID: <3623E571.E5CD4CB@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Loipon egrapsa ena prvto draft aytoy poy isvw apotelesei arthro sto Ram , Chip , BHMA , Super KATERINA, Playboy k.lp Fysika den thevrv oti einai teleio. P.x. den exv ftiaksei kalo epilogo. Perimenv feedback apo esas eite me mail sthn lista eite me prosvpiko kai pisteyv oti sigoyra tha mporesv na to beltivsv tiw epomenew meres. Yannis -------------- next part -------------- Πρώτα από όλα το Linux είναι ένα λειτουργικό σύστημα. Η ζωή του ξεκίνησε μερικά χρόνια πριν (το 1991) όταν ένας φοιτητής, ο Linus Torvalds, ξεκίνησε να φτιάξει, καθαρά σαν χόμπυ, ένα λειτουργικό σύστημα το οποίο θα εξυπηρετούσε τις ανάγκες του και θα ήταν βασισμένο στα standards του UNIX. Με την πάροδο των μηνών και με την πολύτιμη συνεισφορά πολλών άλλων εξελίχθηκε σιγά σιγά σαν ένα αυτόνομο λειτουργικό σύστημα. Σήμερα το Linux αποτελεί ένα σημαντικό λειτουργικό σύστημα στον χώρο των PC, του οποίου τα κύρια χαρακτηριστικά είναι η σταθερότητα, η αξιοπιστία, η ευελιξία, η ταυτόχρονη εξυπηρέτηση πολλών χρηστών (Multiuser), η ταυτόχρονη εκτέλεση πολλών διεργασιών (Multitasking) καθώς και αυξημένη υποστήριξη δικτυακών λειτουργιών. Το πιο εντυπωσιακό είναι ότι το ίδιο καθώς και ο πηγαίος κώδικας του δίνονται δωρεάν και μάλιστα μέσω του Internet. Ο καθένας αν διαθέτει όρεξη και υπομονή μπορεί να τον τροποποιήσει και να τον προσαρμόσει στις ανάγκες του. Επειδή όμως, όπως αναφέραμε στηρίχτηκε σε standards του UNIX κληρονόμησε από αυτό ορισμένα πλεονεκτήματα και μειονεκτήματα. Τα υπέρ του, ήδη τα αναφέραμε. Στα κατά συμπεριλαμβάνεται η μη φιλικότητα του ως προς τον χρήστη. Αυτό είναι επακόλουθο του γεγονότος ότι σχεδιάστηκε με στόχο την λειτουργικότητα και όχι την φιλικότητα. Τα τελευταία 2 - 3 χρόνια η κατάσταση έχει αλλάξει ριζικά. Πρώτα από όλα το Linux έχει τύχει σοβαρής μεταχείρισης από μεγάλες εταιρείες και Πανεπιστήμια, οι οποίες βασίζονται στις δικτυακές του λειτουργίες για να φτιάξουν ένα αξιόπιστο εξυπηρέτη (server). Σε αυτό έχει συμβάλλει και η ολοένα και μεγαλύτερη κυκλοφορία εφαρμογών οι οποίες έχουν καταφέρει να δώσουν στο Linux την φιλικότητα που του έλειπε και που απαιτείται από τον χρήστη. Ακόμα εξαιτίας της ελεύθερης διανομής του πηγαίου κώδικα του, αποτελεί ένα πρώτης τάξης εργαλείο για όποιον αισθάνεται αρκετά ανήσυχος και θέλει να εμβαθύνει στις λειτουργίες του PC. Οπως και στην υπόλοιπη Ευρώπη, έτσι και στην Ελλάδα, το Linux τα τελευταία χρόνια έχει τύχει μιας ιδιαίτερα θετικής μεταχείρισης και αντιμετώπισης (ιδαίτερα στα Πανεπιστήμια). Οι Ελληνες χρήστες εντυπωσιαζόμενοι από τις δυνατότητές του αυξάνονται συνεχώς. Διάφορα άρθρα στα περιοδικά του ειδικού τύπου, ιστοσελίδες (webpages), κυκλοφορία βιβλίων και περιοδικών σχετικά με το Linux κ.λπ. ενισχύουν το παραπάνω γεγονός. Στα πλαίσια των παραπάνω και με δεδομένη την αυξημένη δημοτικότητα του λειτουργικού αυτού συστήματος, συλλάβαμε σαν ιδέα και τελικά προχωρήσαμε στην υλοποίησή της, την δημιουργία ΜΗ κερδοσκοπικού συλλόγου με το όνομα ΕΝΩΣΗ ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΦΙΛΩΝ ΛΙΝΟΥΞ ΕΛΛΑΔΟΣ” (Ε.Χ.Φ.Λ.Ε.) ή στα αγγλικά Hellenic Linux Users Group (HELLUG), με έδρα την Αθήνα. Οπως φαίνεται και από το όνομα, ο σύλλογος έχει σαν σκοπό του την παροχή αλληλοβοήθειας στους απανταχού Ελληνες χρήστες, την προώθηση και προβολή του στους χρήστες των υπολογιστών, την δημιουργία, τροποποίηση και προσαρμογή στις ελληνικές ανάγκες λογισμικού, που σχετίζεται με το Linux και την ελεύθερη διανομή του, την διεξαγωγή εκπαιδευτικών ή άλλων δραστηριοτήτων με σκοπό την βελτίωση των γνώσεων των μελών του πάνω σε θέματα του Linux καθώς και ερευνητική δραστηριότητα τόσο αυτόνομα εντός του συλλόγου, όσο και σε συνεργασία με άλλους εθνικούς ή διεθνείς φορείς σε τομείς που σχετίζονται με την πληροφορική και το Linux. Να τονίσουμε εδώ ότι ο σύλλογος είναι Πανελλήνιος και ότι σε καμμία περίπτωση δεν περιορίζεται ούτε απευθύνεται σε άτομα που κατοικούν Αθήνα και Θεσσαλονίκη. Εξάλλου αρκετά από τα ιδρυτικά του μέλη μένουν εκτός ΑΘήνας. Φιλοδοξούμε και ελπίζουμε σε μια σοβαρή και υπεύθυνη παρουσία στον Ελληνικό χώρο και περιμένουμε με χαρά νέα μέλη. HELLUG From theodore at eexi.gr Wed Oct 14 11:30:06 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:30:06 +0300 Subject: Draft sto draft... Message-ID: <3624610D.4C8EB8D4@eexi.gr> Loipon, to article.txt periexei se tetragones agyles ([]) ta original kommatia pou ekopsa kai se agyles ({}) sxolia, eno to article_clean einai xoris agyles genikotera. Ektos apo allages periexomenou ekana kai kapoies mikroallages sth syntaksh. Next please... :-) T. -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== -------------- next part -------------- [ Πρώτα από όλα το Linux είναι ένα λειτουργικό σύστημα. Η ζωή του ξεκίνησε μερικά χρόνια πριν (το 1991) όταν ένας φοιτητής, ο Linus Torvalds, ξεκίνησε να φτιάξει, καθαρά σαν χόμπυ, ένα λειτουργικό σύστημα το οποίο θα εξυπηρετούσε τις ανάγκες του και θα ήταν βασισμένο στα standards του UNIX. Με την πάροδο των μηνών και με την πολύτιμη συνεισφορά πολλών άλλων εξελίχθηκε σιγά σιγά σαν ένα αυτόνομο λειτουργικό σύστημα.] Το Linux είναι ο βασικός πυρήνας (Kernel) ενός λειτουργικού συστήματος (operating system) για προσωπικούς ηλεκτρονικούς υπολογιστές (PC). Η ζωή του ξεκίνησε μερικά χρόνια πριν (το 1991) όταν ένας φοιτητής, ο Linus Torvalds, ξεκίνησε να φτιάξει, καθαρά σαν χόμπυ, ένα λειτουργικό σύστημα το οποίο θα εξυπηρετούσε τις ανάγκες του και θα ήταν βασισμένο στις προδιαγραφές (standards) του UNIX. Σε συνδυασμό με μια ομάδα προγραμμάτων κατασκευασμένων κυρίως από την GNU, έναν οργανισμό με σκοπό τη δημιουργία ελεύθερου λογισμικού, αποτελεί το λειτουργικό σύστημα Linux. Το Linux (πυρήνας και προγράμματα) διανέμεται με τους όρους της Γενικής Δημόσιας Άδειας Χρήσης (General Public Licence, GPL) της GNU. Αυτό σημαίνει ότι ο πηγαίος κώδικας του πυρήνα και των προγραμμάτων διανέμεται ελεύθερα και οποιοσδήποτε έχει το δικαίωμα να επαναδιανείμει το λογισμικό, είτε αυτούσιο είτε αλλαγμένο αρκεί να παραμείνει υπό τους όρους της GPL. Λογισμικό υπό τους όρους της GPL συνήθως αποκαλείται "Ελεύθερο Λογισμικό" ("Open Source Software"). Συνέπεια όλων αυτών είναι ότι το Linux εκτός των άλλων τρόπων διανομής (CD-ROM) διανέμεται ελεύθερα και μέσω του Internet. Σήμερα το Linux αποτελεί ένα σημαντικό λειτουργικό σύστημα στον χώρο των PC, του οποίου τα κύρια χαρακτηριστικά είναι η σταθερότητα, η αξιοπιστία, η ευελιξία, η ταυτόχρονη εξυπηρέτηση πολλών χρηστών (Multiuser), η ταυτόχρονη εκτέλεση πολλών διεργασιών (Multitasking) καθώς και αυξημένη υποστήριξη δικτυακών λειτουργιών. Εφ' όσον μάλιστα το Linux είναι ελεύθερο λογισμικό, ο καθένας μπορεί να το προσαρμόσει στις ανάγκες του κάνοντας αλλαγές στον πηγαίο κώδικα αρκεί να διαθέτει τις γνώσεις και την διάθεση. Βασικό χαρακτηριστικό του Linux είναι η συμβατότητά του με μια μεγάλη ποικιλία κεντρικών μονάδων επεξεργασίας (CPU) που περιλαμβάνει, εκτός της οικογένειας Intel, επεξεργαστές Alpha (Digital), Spark (Sun), Motorola (Macintosh) και πολλούς άλλους. [Το πιο εντυπωσιακό είναι ότι το ίδιο καθώς και ο πηγαίος κώδικας του δίνονται δωρεάν και μάλιστα μέσω του Internet. Ο καθένας αν διαθέτει όρεξη και υπομονή μπορεί να τον τροποποιήσει και να τον προσαρμόσει στις ανάγκες του.] [Επειδή όμως, όπως αναφέραμε στηρίχτηκε σε standards του UNIX κληρονόμησε από αυτό ορισμένα πλεονεκτήματα και μειονεκτήματα. Τα υπέρ του, ήδη τα αναφέραμε. Στα κατά συμπεριλαμβάνεται η μη φιλικότητα του ως προς τον χρήστη. Αυτό είναι επακόλουθο του γεγονότος ότι σχεδιάστηκε με στόχο την λειτουργικότητα και όχι την φιλικότητα.] {<--- Αυτό είναι too much, έτσι κι αλλιώς το θέμα της φιλικότητας αναφέρεται παρακάτω.} Τα τελευταία 2 - 3 χρόνια [η κατάσταση έχει αλλάξει ριζικά. Πρώτα από όλα] το Linux έχει [τύχει σοβαρής μεταχείρισης] τραβήξει την προσοχή μεγάλων εταιρειών και Πανεπιστημίων, τα οποία βασίζονται στις δικτυακές του λειτουργίες για να φτιάξουν από ένα αξιόπιστο εξυπηρέτη (server) εώς συστοιχίες παράλληλης πολυδιεργασίας από φτηνά PC με επιδόσεις που συναγωνίζονται αυτές των ακριβών υπερυπολογιστών. Σε αυτό έχει συμβάλλει και η ολοένα και μεγαλύτερη κυκλοφορία εφαρμογών οι οποίες έχουν καταφέρει να δώσουν στο Linux την φιλικότητα που του έλειπε παλαιότερα λόγω της καταγωγής του από το Unix, και που απαιτείται από τον σημερινό καθημερινό χρήστη. [Ακόμα εξαιτίας της ] Η ελεύθερη διανομή του πηγαίου κώδικα [του], [αποτελεί ένα] δίνει στο Linux την δυνατότητα να αποτελέσει ένα πρώτης τάξης εργαλείο για φοιτητές πληροφορικής και για όποιον αισθάνεται αρκετά ανήσυχος και θέλει να εμβαθύνει στον προγραμματισμό και την λειτουργία του PC. Οπως και στην υπόλοιπη Ευρώπη, έτσι και στην Ελλάδα, το Linux τα τελευταία χρόνια έχει τύχει μιας ιδιαίτερα θετικής μεταχείρισης και αντιμετώπισης (ιδιαίτερα στα Πανεπιστήμια). Οι Ελληνες χρήστες [εντυπωσιαζόμενοι από τις δυνατότητές του] αυξάνονται συνεχώς. Διάφορα άρθρα στα περιοδικά του ελληνικού ειδικού τύπου, ιστοσελίδες (webpages), κυκλοφορία βιβλίων και περιοδικών σχετικά με το Linux ενισχύουν το παραπάνω γεγονός. Στα πλαίσια των παραπάνω και με δεδομένη την αυξημένη δημοτικότητα του λειτουργικού αυτού συστήματος, [συλλάβαμε σαν ιδέα και τελικά] προχωρήσαμε στην [υλοποίησή της, την ] δημιουργία ΜΗ κερδοσκοπικού συλλόγου με το όνομα "Ένωση Χρηστών και Φίλων Λίνουξ Ελλάδος" (Ε.Χ.Φ.Λ.Ε.){αυτό είναι απαραίτητο; Τα ελληνικά αρχικά είναι χάλια...:-)}, ή στα αγγλικά "Hellenic Linux Users Group" (HELLUG), με έδρα την Αθήνα. Οπως φαίνεται και από το όνομα, ο σύλλογος έχει σαν σκοπό του την παροχή αλληλοβοήθειας στους απανταχού Ελληνες χρήστες, την προώθηση και προβολή του στους χρήστες των υπολογιστών, την δημιουργία, τροποποίηση και προσαρμογή στις ελληνικές ανάγκες λογισμικού που σχετίζεται με το Linux και την ελεύθερη διανομή του, την διεξαγωγή εκπαιδευτικών ή άλλων δραστηριοτήτων με σκοπό την βελτίωση των γνώσεων των μελών του πάνω σε θέματα του Linux καθώς και ερευνητική δραστηριότητα τόσο αυτόνομα εντός του συλλόγου, όσο και σε συνεργασία με άλλους εθνικούς ή διεθνείς φορείς σε τομείς που σχετίζονται με την πληροφορική και το Linux. Να τονίσουμε εδώ ότι ο σύλλογος είναι Πανελλήνιος και ότι [σε καμμία περίπτωση] δεν περιορίζεται [ούτε απευθύνεται] σε άτομα που κατοικούν στην Αθήνα και την Θεσσαλονίκη. Εξάλλου αρκετά από τα ιδρυτικά του μέλη μένουν εκτός ΑΘήνας. Φιλοδοξούμε και ελπίζουμε σε μια σοβαρή και υπεύθυνη παρουσία στον Ελληνικό χώρο και περιμένουμε με χαρά νέα μέλη. HELLUG -------------- next part -------------- Το Linux είναι ο βασικός πυρήνας (Kernel) ενός λειτουργικού συστήματος (operating system) για προσωπικούς ηλεκτρονικούς υπολογιστές (PC). Η ζωή του ξεκίνησε μερικά χρόνια πριν (το 1991) όταν ένας φοιτητής, ο Linus Torvalds, ξεκίνησε να φτιάξει, καθαρά σαν χόμπυ, ένα λειτουργικό σύστημα το οποίο θα εξυπηρετούσε τις ανάγκες του και θα ήταν βασισμένο στις προδιαγραφές (standards) του UNIX. Σε συνδιασμό με μια ομάδα προγραμμάτων κατασκευασμένων κυρίως από την GNU, έναν οργανισμό με σκοπό τη δημιουργία ελεύθερου λογισμικού, αποτελεί το λειτουργικό σύστημα Linux. Το Linux (πυρήνας και προγράμματα) διανέμεται με τους όρους της Γενικής Δημόσιας Άδειας Χρήσης (General Public Licence, GPL) της GNU. Αυτό σημαίνει ότι ο πηγαίος κώδικας του πυρήνα και των προγραμμάτων διανέμεται ελεύθερα και οποιοσδήποτε έχει το δικαίωμα να επαναδιανείμει το λογισμικό, είτε αυτούσιο είτε αλλαγμένο αρκεί να παραμείνει υπό τους όρους της GPL. Λογισμικό υπό αυτούς τους όρους συνήθως αποκαλείται "Ελεύθερο Λογισμικό" ("Open Source Software"). Συνέπεια όλων αυτών είναι ότι το Linux εκτός των άλλων τρόπων διανομής (CD-ROM) διανέμεται ελεύθερα και μέσω του Internet. Σήμερα το Linux αποτελεί ένα σημαντικό λειτουργικό σύστημα στον χώρο των PC, του οποίου τα κύρια χαρακτηριστικά είναι η σταθερότητα, η αξιοπιστία, η ευελιξία, η ταυτόχρονη εξυπηρέτηση πολλών χρηστών (Multiuser), η ταυτόχρονη εκτέλεση πολλών διεργασιών (Multitasking) καθώς και αυξημένη υποστήριξη δικτυακών λειτουργιών. Εφ' όσον μάλιστα το Linux είναι ελεύθερο λογισμικό, ο καθένας μπορεί να το προσαρμόσει στις ανάγκες του κάνοντας αλλαγές στον πηγαίο κώδικα αρκεί να διαθέτει τις γνώσεις και την διάθεση. Βασικό χαρακτηριστικό του Linux είναι η συμβατότητά του με μια μεγάλη ποικιλία κεντρικών μονάδων επεξεργασίας (CPU) που περιλαμβάνει, εκτός της οικογένειας Intel, επεξεργαστές Alpha (Digital), Spark (Sun), Motorola (Macintosh) και πολλούς άλλους. Τα τελευταία 2 - 3 χρόνια το Linux έχει τραβήξει την προσοχή μεγάλων εταιρειών και Πανεπιστημίων, τα οποία βασίζονται στις δικτυακές του λειτουργίες για να φτιάξουν από ένα αξιόπιστο εξυπηρέτη (server) εώς συστοιχίες παράλληλης πολυδιεργασίας από φτηνά PC με επιδόσεις που συναγωνίζονται αυτές των ακριβών υπερυπολογιστών. Σε αυτό έχει συμβάλλει και η ολοένα και μεγαλύτερη κυκλοφορία εφαρμογών οι οποίες έχουν καταφέρει να δώσουν στο Linux την φιλικότητα που του έλειπε παλαιότερα λόγω της καταγωγής του από το Unix, και που απαιτείται από τον σημερινό καθημερινό χρήστη. Η ελεύθερη διανομή του πηγαίου κώδικα, δίνει στο Linux την δυνατότητα να αποτελέσει ένα πρώτης τάξης εργαλείο για φοιτητές πληροφορικής και για όποιον αισθάνεται αρκετά ανήσυχος και θέλει να εμβαθύνει στον προγραμματισμό και την λειτουργία του PC. Οπως και στην υπόλοιπη Ευρώπη, έτσι και στην Ελλάδα, το Linux τα τελευταία χρόνια έχει τύχει μιας ιδιαίτερα θετικής μεταχείρισης και αντιμετώπισης (ιδιαίτερα στα Πανεπιστήμια). Οι Ελληνες χρήστες αυξάνονται συνεχώς. Διάφορα άρθρα στα περιοδικά του ελληνικού ειδικού τύπου, ιστοσελίδες (webpages), κυκλοφορία βιβλίων και περιοδικών σχετικά με το Linux ενισχύουν το παραπάνω γεγονός. Στα πλαίσια των παραπάνω και με δεδομένη την αυξημένη δημοτικότητα του λειτουργικού αυτού συστήματος, προχωρήσαμε στην δημιουργία ΜΗ κερδοσκοπικού συλλόγου με το όνομα "Ένωση Χρηστών και Φίλων Λίνουξ Ελλάδος" (Ε.Χ.Φ.Λ.Ε.), ή στα αγγλικά "Hellenic Linux Users Group" (HELLUG), με έδρα την Αθήνα. Οπως φαίνεται και από το όνομα, ο σύλλογος έχει σαν σκοπό του την παροχή αλληλοβοήθειας στους απανταχού Ελληνες χρήστες, την προώθηση και προβολή του στους χρήστες των υπολογιστών, την δημιουργία, τροποποίηση και προσαρμογή στις ελληνικές ανάγκες λογισμικού που σχετίζεται με το Linux και την ελεύθερη διανομή του, την διεξαγωγή εκπαιδευτικών ή άλλων δραστηριοτήτων με σκοπό την βελτίωση των γνώσεων των μελών του πάνω σε θέματα του Linux καθώς και ερευνητική δραστηριότητα τόσο αυτόνομα εντός του συλλόγου, όσο και σε συνεργασία με άλλους εθνικούς ή διεθνείς φορείς σε τομείς που σχετίζονται με την πληροφορική και το Linux. Να τονίσουμε εδώ ότι ο σύλλογος είναι Πανελλήνιος και ότι δεν περιορίζεται σε άτομα που κατοικούν στην Αθήνα και την Θεσσαλονίκη. Εξάλλου αρκετά από τα ιδρυτικά του μέλη μένουν εκτός ΑΘήνας. Φιλοδοξούμε και ελπίζουμε σε μια σοβαρή και υπεύθυνη παρουσία στον Ελληνικό χώρο και περιμένουμε με χαρά νέα μέλη. HELLUG From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Oct 14 11:34:41 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:34:41 +0300 Subject: Article gia to HELLUG References: <3623E571.E5CD4CB@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <36246221.2A62219F@ametro.gr> Lavame, tha kanoume ena copy/paste apo to TERASTIO-GIA-TON-XORO-POU-MAS-DINOUN-TA-PERIODIKA text sou, na to simpiesoume se 2-3 paragrafous kai tha to steiloume piso sti lista na mas pei tin gnomi tis. Elpizo na mas dosoun kai perissotero xoro, na anaptixthoume se mikos kai platos stis stiles tous. Bye E. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Oct 14 11:39:29 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:39:29 +0300 Subject: Draft sto draft... References: <3624610D.4C8EB8D4@eexi.gr> Message-ID: <36246341.47CDDF6C@ametro.gr> Apo oti vlepo idi ta cut/paste arxisan ... emeis etoimazoume ena super cut/no paste compact version. From theodore at eexi.gr Wed Oct 14 11:49:09 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:49:09 +0300 Subject: Article gia to HELLUG References: Message-ID: <36246585.FDEEBF18@eexi.gr> > > > Lavame, > > tha kanoume ena copy/paste apo to > > TERASTIO-GIA-TON-XORO-POU-MAS-DINOUN-TA-PERIODIKA text sou, na to > > simpiesoume se 2-3 paragrafous kai tha to steiloume piso sti lista na > > mas pei tin gnomi tis. > > > > Elpizo na mas dosoun kai perissotero xoro, na anaptixthoume se mikos > > kai > > platos stis stiles tous. > > > > > > Bye > > E. Mpa, den nomizo oti einai ayto to skeptiko... Ego leo na to steiloume megalo-megalo (alloste ksexasa na grapso kai gia to pos anaptysetai to Linux - polloi programmers meso internet klp), san deltio typou, kai na toys afhsoume na apofasisoun ti tha grapsoun. Den pisteyo oti mas endiaferei toso mia lakonikh anakoinosh ths idryshs toy Hellug, oso mas endiaferei na prokalesoume endiaferon gia to thema. A, kai vevaia sto telos tha prepei na valoume web sites (linux.gr, linux.org, gnu..org) kai contacts... T. -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== From bcostas at hol.gr Wed Oct 14 23:28:03 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:28:03 -0700 Subject: Article gia to HELLUG References: <3623E571.E5CD4CB@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <36250953.B244AA8B@hol.gr> John Exidaridis wrote: > Loipon egrapsa ena prvto draft aytoy poy isvw apotelesei arthro sto Ram > , Chip , BHMA , Super KATERINA, Playboy k.lp > > Fysika den thevrv oti einai teleio. P.x. den exv ftiaksei kalo epilogo. > Perimenv feedback apo esas eite me mail sthn lista eite me prosvpiko kai > pisteyv oti sigoyra tha mporesv na to beltivsv tiw epomenew meres. > > Yannis Loipon na kai mia fora poy to marketing moy fanhke xrhsimo. To keimeno to diavasan gyrw stoys 10 marketing experts sthn etairia poy ergazomai.... kai to vrhkan poly kalo. Yparxei mono mia poly poly mikrh allagh perissotero syntaktikh kai thn para6etw. Kata ta loipa einai katanohto, xwris polla texnika poy zalhzoyn kai eystoxo. Oson afora to mege6os einai mia xara, arkei na dex6oyn na to dhmosieysoyn. H allagh... "Na tonisoyme edw oti o syllogos einai... ,oyte apey6ynetai....." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Kovetai giati den tairiazei me to ypoloipo keimeno. Ayta apo emena. Filika, Costas Barakitis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Oct 14 14:53:32 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:53:32 +0300 Subject: Ena cut-off formal deltio typou Message-ID: <362490BC.B718C0F2@ametro.gr> to parakato apotelei mia cut-off (very very) version olon ton allon, se megethos pou filoksenitai os press release. Den sas stelno kai to logo mas (nomizo oloi to kseroume). Afto efige gia compupress giati ekleine simera i ili tis ( kokras ). kante tis paratiriseis sas/allages sas oste ta epomena na einai kalitera. Evripidis Aγαπητοί κύριοι, με αφορμή την σύσταση του Δ.Σ. του HELLUG (Ένωση Χρηστών και Φίλων Λίνουξ Ελλάδας) σας αποστέλουμε μια σύντομη περιγραφή των σκοπών και δραστηριοτήτων του Συλλόγου μας, καθώς και το logo του Συλλόγου. Στη διάθεσή σας για οποιεσδήποτε διευκρινίσεις, βοήθεια, λεπτομέρειες ζητήσετε. [...] Ιδρύθηκε πρόσφατα η Ένωση Χρηστών και Φίλων Λίνουξ Ελλάδας (HEL.L.U.G.). Πρόκειται για ένα μη κερδοσκοπικό σύλλογo, με σκοπό την ανάπτυξη και προώθηση του λειτουργικού συστήματος Linux στην Ελλάδα. Το Linux είναι ένα δωρεάν προσφερόμενο λειτουργικό σύστημα, ελεύθερα αναπτυσσόμενο μέσω του Internet από πολλούς προγραμματιστές, και ήδη κατέχει την πρώτη θέση σε εξυπηρέτες ιστοσελίδων στην Ευρώπη, ενώ και η θέση του στις αντίστοιχες Ελληνικές εταιρείες και Πανεπιστήμια είναι πολύ ισχυρή. Πρόκειται για ένα πολυδύναμο και ευέλικτο λειτουργικό σύστημα, το οποίο είναι ιδανικό για συστήματα χαμηλού (αλλά και υψηλού) κόστους, για προσωπικούς υπολογιστές, για όλες σχεδόν τις διαφόρετικες πλατφόρμες και εξυπηρέτες δικτυακών υπηρεσιών. Ο σύλλογος έχει σκοπό να δημιουργήσει κόμβο στο Internet (πέραν του ήδη υπάρχοντος στη διεύθυνση http://www.linux.gr) με ελληνικά κείμενα που θα βοηθήσουν τον κάθε χρήστη του Linux, έμπειρο και μη, (μεταφράσεις από αντίστοιχα αγγλικά αλλά και πρωτότυπα), στατιστικά στοιχεία για την αξιοποίηση του Linux στην Ελλάδα από εταιρείες διαφόρων κλάδων και από ιδιώτες, και προγράμματα του συλλόγου εν εξελίξει. Στα σχέδια του συλλόγου είναι η διοργάνωση σεμιναρίων, παρουσιάσεις του Linux σε διάφορες εκθέσεις πληροφορικής, εκδηλώσεις σε ειδικά καταστήματα του χώρου. η ανάπτυξη και ο εξελληνισμός εφαρμογών, η συνεργασία με οποιονδήποτε θα ήθελε να δοκιμάσει να αναπτύξει ένα περιβάλλον εργασίας, είτε αποκλειστικά με Linux, ή σε συνδυασμό με άλλα λειτουργικά συστήματα, η διάχυση τεχνογνωσίας και λύσεων προς σχολεία, οργανισμούς εταιρείες, ιδιώτες και κάθε ενδιαφερόμενο. Λοιπές λεπτομέρεις και νέα για τον σύλλογο θα βρείτε στον κεντρικό κόμβο Linux Ελλάδος http://www.linux.gr Για περισσότερες πληροφορίες, μπορείτε να επικοινωνείτε με τις διευθύνσεις: mkabrian at acropolis.net, epapakostas at ametro.gr, vrypan at hol.gr From exindari at math.upatras.gr Wed Oct 14 14:56:39 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:56:39 +0300 Subject: Draft sto draft... References: <3624610D.4C8EB8D4@eexi.gr> Message-ID: <36249177.6F919A36@ermis.math.upatras.gr> "Theodore J. Soldatos" wrote: > > Loipon, to article.txt periexei se tetragones agyles ([]) ta original > kommatia pou ekopsa kai se agyles ({}) sxolia, eno to article_clean > einai xoris agyles genikotera. Svstes oi diorthoseiw kai symfvnv. O > kapoies mikroallages sth syntaksh. Otan grafeis metamesonyxties vres ti perimeneis !! Yannis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Oct 15 13:26:01 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:26:01 +0300 Subject: MISSION #1 : ACCOMPLISHED Message-ID: <3625CDB9.AECEAA85@ametro.gr> blokakia, vivlia praktikon, melon klp frontise gia mas o Maistrelis (mas ta dorise einai i sostoteri ekfrasi). Opote afto paei. E. From futurekids at fkamaliada.gr Thu Oct 15 14:14:24 1998 From: futurekids at fkamaliada.gr (FUTUREKIDS Amaliada) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:14:24 +0300 Subject: Theseis kai Idees References: <36227E42.303F161C@ermis.math.upatras.gr>, Message-ID: <3625D910.AA6604FC@fkamaliada.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > An to mixanima mpei sto diktyo tou FORTHnet, tha to analabw egw (ws sysadmin > tou FORTHnet kai palaiotera tou Geoponikou Panepistimiou, pistevw oti exw tin > katallili empeiria gia kati tetoio). Antistoixa, an to mixanima anebei > Thessaloniki, tha zitisoume apo ton Ricoudi na to analabei. An to mixanima > kataliksei Patra, paizoun poly kala o Kerammidas me ton Gewrgato klp klp klp. > An twra, eimaste atyxoi kai to mixanima filoksenithei kapou pou DEN exoume diko > mas atomo mesa i poly konta, tha to doume to thema apo alli basi. Μh moy peis twra oti to mhxanhma yparxei periptwsh na er8ei kai Amaliada :-)))))))))))))) !!!! Xrst. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Thu Oct 15 23:58:02 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:58:02 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Theseis kai Idees In-Reply-To: <3625D910.AA6604FC@fkamaliada.gr> Message-ID: <199810152051.UAA00835@mk.aua.gr> On 15-Oct-98 FUTUREKIDS Amaliada wrote: > Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > >> An to mixanima mpei sto diktyo tou FORTHnet, tha to analabw egw (ws sysadmin >> tou FORTHnet kai palaiotera tou Geoponikou Panepistimiou, pistevw oti exw >> tin >> katallili empeiria gia kati tetoio). Antistoixa, an to mixanima anebei >> Thessaloniki, tha zitisoume apo ton Ricoudi na to analabei. An to mixanima >> kataliksei Patra, paizoun poly kala o Kerammidas me ton Gewrgato klp klp >> klp. > >> An twra, eimaste atyxoi kai to mixanima filoksenithei kapou pou DEN exoume >> diko >> mas atomo mesa i poly konta, tha to doume to thema apo alli basi. > > Μh moy peis twra oti to mhxanhma yparxei periptwsh na er8ei kai > Amaliada :-)))))))))))))) > > !!!! > > Xrst. To opou broume kalyteri prosfora xrimatwn/bandwidth pws sou fainetai? To kalytero bebaia tha einai dwrean/10Mbit (10ara karta exoume) alla.... Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Oct 16 08:56:17 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:56:17 +0300 Subject: AS KATEVOUME!!! Message-ID: <3626E001.3AFEBCDF@ametro.gr> Αγαπητοί HELLUGιτες και λοιποί Linuxαδες. Πλανάται μια φήμη πως το HELLUG έχει κυριευθεί από γραφειοκρατιομανία. Πως το μόνο που μας ενδιαφέρει είναι η προώθηση του Linux μέσω των politically correct δρόμων, εκφυλίζοντας έτσι την παράδοση και τις πρακτικές των γνήσιων Linuxάδων. Πως γεράσαμε πριν την ώρα μας. Χα! Ακολουθεί επικό προσκλητήριο: Εχουμε την ευκαιρία να κάνουμε μια πραγματικά δυναμική απόδειξη του αντίθετου, να γελάσουμε απείρως και να δώσουμε και ένα μήνυμα προς κάθε ενδιαφερόμενο, πως πάνω από όλα για μας το θέμα αυτό είναι χόμπυ και όχι αγγαρεία. Ακολουθώντας τον δρόμο που χάραξαν τα αδέρφια μας του SVLUG (Sillicon Valley LUG) προτείνουμε: Συγκέντρωση στην σημαντικότερη οδό της Ελλάδος (Στουρνάρη) με μπλουζάκια, πανώ, και Linux CDs, για εγκατάσταση stand, παρέλαση ισχύος και γενικότερη αντίπραξη. Οι δρόμοι θα τρέμουν, οι μαγαζάτορες θα υποκύψουν, οι θαμώνες θα πιστέψουν, το Linux θα δοξαστεί. Περί των διαδικαστικών: Ηδη τυπώνουμε δοκιμαστική σειρά από πανώ με διάφορα συνθήματα, πήχτρα στους πιγκουίνους. Ομοίως και για φυλλάδια (φωτοτυπίες). Πολλοί από εμάς έχουν μπλουζάκια Linux. Οσοι δεν έχουν μπορούν να κατασκευάσουν ή να μας το δηλώσουν, να τους αγοράσουμε και να τα μοιράσουμε στην συγκέντρωση. CDs αντιγράφονται, θα ζητήσουμε και την βοήθεια της SuSe και της RedHat και ευπρόσδεκτος και καθένας με CD-R να συνδράμει. Ο γιγαντοπιγκουίνος μας (140 cm) ολοκληρώνεται. Η κατάλληλη στιγμή κάποιο Σάββατο κοντά στα Χριστούγεννα. Ο χρόνος για ετοιμασίες είναι υπεραρκετός. Η Στουρνάρη έχει την τιμιτική της, όλος ο κόσμος θα είναι εκεί και ΑΥΤΗ ΤΗ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ Ο ΑΓΙΟΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΗΣ ΘΑ ΦΕΡΕΙ ΠΙΓΚΟΥΙΝΟΥΣ!!!! Δικαιολογίες να μην το κάνουμε υπάρχουν πολλές. Μην τις επικαλεστείτε! Είναι η ευκαιρία μας να κάνουμε κάτι αληθινά μοναδικό. Το Δ.Σ. (=Δεν Συγχωρούμε) και διάφοροι υποχθόνιοι τύποι του HELLUG From kremidas at lrf.gr Fri Oct 16 13:52:44 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:52:44 +0000 Subject: About Web site of Hellug Message-ID: <199810161855.LAA13965@www.lrf.gr> Καλημέρα σε όλους, Ένας βασικός σκελετός για το web site του HELLUG που μου προτάθηκε από το Δ.Σ, και προσωπικά συμφωνώ, είναι ο παρακάτω: HELLUG_MAIN_PAGE | +- ενδο-hellug-ικά | +- Σκοπός | +- Ιστορικό | +- Καταστατικό | +- Πρακτικά | +- Ανακοινώσεις (περί συνδρομών και άλλων εσωτερικών θεμάτων) | +- Who is Who των μελών | +- Τρόποι επικοινωνίας (info at hellug.gr, members at hellug.gr κ.λ.) | +- Linux | +- Τί είναι | +- Links | +- Ελληνικό Press Room (αναφορές σε δημοσιεύματα για το Linux στον Ελληνικό Τύπο) | +- Magaz | +- Ελληνικά Projects | +- HOWTOs | +- Αγγλικά | +- Ελληνικά | +- Εταιρείες που χρησιμοποιούν Linux στην Ελλάδα. Παρακαλώ για να μην βαρύνουμε την λίστα με threads, στείλτε μου προσωπικό mail (kremidas at lrf.gr) για ότι έχει να κάνει με το Web site. Φιλικά, Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From flouris at csi.forth.gr Fri Oct 16 13:01:15 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:01:15 +0300 Subject: About Web site of Hellug References: <199810161855.LAA13965@www.lrf.gr> Message-ID: <3627196B.6C0074A4@ics.forth.gr> KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS wrote: > > ???????? ?? ?????, > > ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ?? web site ??? HELLUG ??? ??? > ????????? ??? ?? ?.?, ??? ????????? ???????, ????? ? > ????????: > > HELLUG_MAIN_PAGE Kapoy den prepei na baloyme kai merika "Greek Linux News", anakoinwseis ktl. poy den exoyn dhmosieytei aparaithta se periodika ... Mike & From mkab at forthnet.gr Fri Oct 16 16:36:13 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:36:13 -0000 (GMT) Subject: About Web site of Hellug In-Reply-To: <3627196B.6C0074A4@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: On 16-Oct-98 Mike Flouris wrote: > KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS wrote: >> >> Καλημέρα σε όλους, >> >> Ένας βασικός σκελετός για το web site του HELLUG που μου >> προτάθηκε από το Δ.Σ, και προσωπικά συμφωνώ, είναι ο >> παρακάτω: >> >> HELLUG_MAIN_PAGE > > Kapoy den prepei na baloyme kai merika "Greek Linux News", > anakoinwseis ktl. poy den exoyn dhmosieytei aparaithta > se periodika ... > > Mike & Eeee, nomizw oti yparxei. Diladi ekei pou leei ---Ελληνικό Press Room (αναφορές σε δημοσιεύματα για το Linux στον Ελληνικό Τύπο)--- nomizw oti tha mporouse na xwresei kati tetoio ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From gef7 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 16 17:38:31 1998 From: gef7 at hotmail.com (Photis Georgatos) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:38:31 PDT Subject: Antapokrish apo Biennh Message-ID: <19981016143832.2277.qmail@hotmail.com> Anaferomenoi se kapoia koubenta gia ton Papaswthriou, ypothike kai to ejhs: >Kai prosopika ti sizitaei o kathenas os monada den nomizo oti xreiazetai >na mas to anaferei me to ni kai me to sigma. Oso den yphrxe HELLUG, htan asafes poios einai ypeythinos gia ti. Twra pou to exoume nomizw oti toylaxiston to DS prepei na einai enhmero gia to ti peripou paizetai se kathe meria. Proteinw mallon ton proedro , ws shmeio anaforas. Ola ayta, gia na yparxei kapou mia gnwsh ths katastashs, kai na mhn exoume allhlepikalipseis. YG: Sas fairnw sokolates... geia xara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri Oct 16 18:41:01 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:41:01 +0200 Subject: AS KATEVOUME!!! In-Reply-To: <3626E001.3AFEBCDF@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981016174101.00868650@teemail.tee.gr> At 08:56 ?? 16/10/1998 +0300, you wrote: >???????? HELLUG???? ??? ?????? Linux????. ......... >????????? ????? ????????????: ego mesa.. kai voi8ia se oti mporo.. diladi: na grapso kana CD, kai oti alo pernaei apo to xerimou den vlepo omos kinisi, ti ginete? oi ipolipoi diafonoun? i simfonoun siopiros?? mia tetia kinisi xriazete en8ousiasmo!! From gef7 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 16 17:43:16 1998 From: gef7 at hotmail.com (Photis Georgatos) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:43:16 PDT Subject: Antapokrish apo Biennh Message-ID: <19981016144317.9777.qmail@hotmail.com> Anaferomenoi se kapoia koubenta gia ton Papaswthriou, ypothike kai to ejhs: >Kai prosopika ti sizitaei o kathenas os monada den nomizo oti xreiazetai >na mas to anaferei me to ni kai me to sigma. Oso den yphrxe HELLUG, htan asafes poios einai ypeythinos gia ti. Twra pou to exoume nomizw oti toylaxiston to DS prepei na einai enhmero gia to ti peripou paizetai se kathe meria. Proteinw mallon ton proedro , ws shmeio anaforas. Ola ayta, gia na yparxei kapou mia gnwsh ths katastashs, kai na mhn exoume allhlepikalipseis. YG: Sas fairnw sokolates... geia xara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kremidas at lrf.gr Fri Oct 16 19:44:25 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:44:25 +0000 Subject: AS KATEVOUME!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981016174101.00868650@teemail.tee.gr> References: <3626E001.3AFEBCDF@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <199810170047.RAA24684@www.lrf.gr> Mporo kai gw na boithisw me to CDR pou exw stin etaireia... Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From manoussakis at papasavas.gr Fri Oct 16 15:58:43 1998 From: manoussakis at papasavas.gr (Constantine Manoussakis) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:58:43 +0300 Subject: Linux and BJC-4000C Message-ID: <36274303.D4CFECE4@papasavas.gr> Hey people, I am a new Linux user. I have installed the REDHAT 5.1 with KDE 1.0.I have a BJC-4000 printer. When using the printer manager tool to configure the printer, I choose the BJC-600 and BJC-4000 filter, with option 1-Normal B&W printing. When I print no text it shown only some sort of character dump. If I choose option 8-Floyd-Steinburg B&W printing for better grey-scale, I get a good printout, but the page takes a long time to print. Is there any solution to the above problem?? Thanks in advance. -- Constantine Manoussakis M.Papasavas S.A. Dept. Communications and Control Sofokleous 261, Kallithea Athens, GREECE Tel: (00301) 9400758 Fax: (00301) 9429561 email: manoussakis at papasavas.gr www: www.papasavas.com From gef7 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 16 18:26:40 1998 From: gef7 at hotmail.com (Photis Georgatos) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:26:40 PDT Subject: Antapokrish apo Biennh Message-ID: <19981016152648.24971.qmail@hotmail.com> Anaferomenoi se kapoia koubenta gia ton Papaswthriou, ypothike kai to ejhs: >Kai prosopika ti sizitaei o kathenas os monada den nomizo oti xreiazetai >na mas to anaferei me to ni kai me to sigma. Oso den yphrxe HELLUG, htan asafes poios einai ypeythinos gia ti. Twra pou to exoume nomizw oti toylaxiston to DS prepei na einai enhmero gia to ti peripou paizetai se kathe meria. Proteinw mallon ton proedro , ws shmeio anaforas. Ola ayta, gia na yparxei kapou mia gnwsh ths katastashs, kai na mhn exoume allhlepikalipseis. YG: Sas fairnw sokolates... geia xara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Oct 16 19:35:49 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:35:49 +0200 Subject: AS KATEVOUME!!! References: <3.0.5.32.19981016174101.00868650@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <362775E5.B5A6E1A8@ametro.gr> > > mia tetia kinisi xriazete en8ousiasmo!! ego exo milisei prosopika me kammia 10aria mas pou simfonoun. elpizo pos kefi iparxei apo olous. kai etoimasies psiloarxisame. kai o kabrianis esteile SuSe kai RedHat klp gia CDs kai o Soldatos arxise ta plottings, kai ego leo na grapso kammia 10 redhat, suse sti douleia. An kai eseis boreite na kapsete merika nomizo pos ksekiname kala. exoume xrono na to etoimasoume kala apo kathe apopsi. iparxei kai ena site pou dinei cds linux gia tetoious akrivos logous (pou an kapoios exei tin diefthinsi mas tin leei). E. From kyr-john at geocities.com Sat Oct 17 02:04:50 1998 From: kyr-john at geocities.com (Kyriazopoulos G Ioannis) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:04:50 +0300 Subject: AS KATEVOUME!!! References: <3626E001.3AFEBCDF@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3627D112.C1A8840@geocities.com> paidia poli poli kali idea .... opou mporw na boi8isw 8a itan kalo na vroume kai sponsores !! mporoume na ksekinisoume apo twra :) Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Αγαπητοί HELLUGιτες και λοιποί Linuxαδες. > > Πλανάται μια φήμη πως το HELLUG έχει κυριευθεί από γραφειοκρατιομανία. > Πως το μόνο που μας ενδιαφέρει είναι η προώθηση του Linux μέσω των > politically correct δρόμων, εκφυλίζοντας έτσι την παράδοση και τις > πρακτικές των γνήσιων Linuxάδων. Πως γεράσαμε πριν την ώρα μας. Χα! > > Ακολουθεί επικό προσκλητήριο: > > Εχουμε την ευκαιρία να κάνουμε μια πραγματικά δυναμική απόδειξη του > αντίθετου, να γελάσουμε απείρως και να δώσουμε και ένα μήνυμα προς κάθε > ενδιαφερόμενο, πως πάνω από όλα για μας το θέμα αυτό είναι χόμπυ > και όχι αγγαρεία. > > Ακολουθώντας τον δρόμο που χάραξαν τα αδέρφια μας του SVLUG (Sillicon > Valley LUG) προτείνουμε: > > Συγκέντρωση στην σημαντικότερη οδό της Ελλάδος (Στουρνάρη) με > μπλουζάκια, πανώ, και Linux CDs, για εγκατάσταση stand, παρέλαση ισχύος > και γενικότερη αντίπραξη. > > Οι δρόμοι θα τρέμουν, οι μαγαζάτορες θα υποκύψουν, οι θαμώνες θα > πιστέψουν, το Linux θα δοξαστεί. > > Περί των διαδικαστικών: Ηδη τυπώνουμε δοκιμαστική σειρά από πανώ με > διάφορα συνθήματα, πήχτρα στους πιγκουίνους. Ομοίως και για φυλλάδια > (φωτοτυπίες). Πολλοί από εμάς έχουν μπλουζάκια Linux. Οσοι > δεν έχουν μπορούν να κατασκευάσουν ή να μας το δηλώσουν, να τους > αγοράσουμε και να τα μοιράσουμε στην συγκέντρωση. CDs αντιγράφονται, > θα ζητήσουμε και την βοήθεια της SuSe και της RedHat και > ευπρόσδεκτος και καθένας με CD-R να συνδράμει. Ο γιγαντοπιγκουίνος μας > (140 cm) ολοκληρώνεται. > > Η κατάλληλη στιγμή κάποιο Σάββατο κοντά στα Χριστούγεννα. Ο χρόνος για > ετοιμασίες είναι υπεραρκετός. Η Στουρνάρη έχει την τιμιτική της, όλος > ο κόσμος θα είναι εκεί και > ΑΥΤΗ ΤΗ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ Ο ΑΓΙΟΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΗΣ ΘΑ ΦΕΡΕΙ ΠΙΓΚΟΥΙΝΟΥΣ!!!! > > Δικαιολογίες να μην το κάνουμε υπάρχουν πολλές. Μην τις επικαλεστείτε! > Είναι η ευκαιρία μας να κάνουμε κάτι αληθινά μοναδικό. > > Το Δ.Σ. (=Δεν Συγχωρούμε) > και διάφοροι υποχθόνιοι τύποι του HELLUG From kokni at eexi.gr Sat Oct 17 08:35:06 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 03:35:06 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: AS KATEVOUME!!! In-Reply-To: <3627D112.C1A8840@geocities.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Oct 1998, Kyriazopoulos G Ioannis wrote: > paidia poli poli kali idea .... opou mporw na boi8isw > > 8a itan kalo na vroume kai sponsores !! > > mporoume na ksekinisoume apo twra :) > Pragmati poly kalh idea, en mesw Xristougeniatkhs agoras na kanoume ena "happening". Oson afora ta Cd's mhpws 8a eprepe na symfwnhsoume se ena layout (toso sto periexomeno oso kai sto "e3wfyllo") ? Etsi wste na grapsei o ka8enas apo merika kai na mazeutoun polla pou na fainontai "idia" ? Nikos Kokras kokni at eexi.gr From fm94 at freemail.gr Sat Oct 17 13:18:26 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:18:26 +0200 Subject: AS KATEVOUME!!! In-Reply-To: References: <3627D112.C1A8840@geocities.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981017121826.00855dd0@teemail.tee.gr> At 03:35 ?? 17/10/1998 -0200, Nikos Kokras wrote: >Pragmati poly kalh idea, en mesw Xristougeniatkhs agoras na kanoume ena >"happening". Oson afora ta Cd's mhpws 8a eprepe na symfwnhsoume se ena >layout (toso sto periexomeno oso kai sto "e3wfyllo") ? >Etsi wste na grapsei o ka8enas apo merika kai na mazeutoun polla pou na >fainontai "idia" ? kalo 8a itane kai na vazame kai elinika mesa se kana dir.. ala fasaria ine.. :-) From voulariba at rocketmail.com Sun Oct 18 17:08:25 1998 From: voulariba at rocketmail.com (Voula Sanida) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed Message-ID: <19981018140825.12687.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Peri tou giveaway gathering stin Stournari. meta apo sinenoisi me ta 4/5 tou D.S: opoios exei CD-W, ligo xrono kai borei na grapsei Linux CDs (RedHat 5.1, SuSe 5.2, 5.3, OpenLinux) i otidipote allo na to dilosei sti lista. O syllogos tha tou dosei ton arithmo ton CDs pou dapanise [ekopse epitixos kai osa anepitixos ekapse - oxi ipervoles :-)] Logika o kathenas borei na grapsei 10-15 CDs se ena mina. Episis opoios exei palia (i nea CDs) me Linux (2.0.30,2.0.31, 2.0.34, 2.0.35!!!) pou den ta thelei pia, borei na to dilosei episis. Idi exoun mazeftei kammia 10aria. Tha thelame, ston epomeno mina na exoume pano apo 100 sinolika Linux CDs gia diathesi. Voula Sanida Tamias _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From manoussakis at papasavas.gr Sun Oct 18 19:01:20 1998 From: manoussakis at papasavas.gr (Constantine Manoussakis) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:01:20 +0200 Subject: Undeleting files Message-ID: <362A10D0.73363225@papasavas.gr> Hi there people, I have accidentally rm 'ed some files that I need. Is there anyway that I can undelete these files??? Thanks in advance -- ------------------------- Constantine Manoussakis AMIEE BEng (Hons) MEng Automatic Control and Systems Engineering Tel: +3018948665 Mobile: +3094909329 From manoussakis at papasavas.gr Sun Oct 18 19:01:10 1998 From: manoussakis at papasavas.gr (Constantine Manoussakis) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:01:10 +0200 Subject: Postgres alignment error Message-ID: <362A10C6.8D38A347@papasavas.gr> Hi there people, I have been playing around with POSTGRESQL and I have noticed that when the /a (aligned colums) option is toggled on, when I SELECT from a table, the data is not as it should. e.g.: (the field separator has been selected to be the default, i.e. a |) abbrev |type ----------+--------------------- BC | arr | anger etc. When I toggle this option, and redo the selection the data comes out as it should, but not in an aligned format. e.g.: abbrev |type ----------+--------------------- BC|Bulk Carrier PASS|Passanger etc Is there any way that I can fix this??? Thanks ------------------------- Constantine Manoussakis AMIEE BEng (Hons) MEng Automatic Control and Systems Engineering Tel: +3018948665 Mobile: +3094909329 From glavas at ceid.upatras.gr Sun Oct 18 21:56:06 1998 From: glavas at ceid.upatras.gr (Glavas Orestis) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:56:06 +0300 ( ) Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed In-Reply-To: <19981018140825.12687.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: CD-Recorder dia8esimos........ Epishs, dia8etv ta CD ths Infomagic Aug-97. Dia8esimo gia antigrafh einai kai to Debian/GNU Linux 2.0 Orestis Glavas From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Sun Oct 18 22:24:43 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:24:43 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed In-Reply-To: <19981018140825.12687.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> from Voula Sanida at "Oct 18, 98 07:08:25 am" Message-ID: <199810181924.WAA08682@hpc.ntua.gr> > Peri tou giveaway gathering stin Stournari. > meta apo sinenoisi me ta 4/5 tou D.S: > > opoios exei CD-W, ligo xrono kai borei na grapsei > Linux CDs (RedHat 5.1, SuSe 5.2, 5.3, OpenLinux) i > otidipote allo na to dilosei sti lista. O syllogos > tha tou dosei ton arithmo ton CDs pou dapanise > [ekopse epitixos kai osa anepitixos ekapse - oxi > ipervoles :-)] > > Logika o kathenas borei na grapsei 10-15 CDs se ena > mina. > > Episis opoios exei palia (i nea CDs) me Linux > (2.0.30,2.0.31, 2.0.34, 2.0.35!!!) pou den ta thelei > pia, borei na to dilosei episis. Idi exoun mazeftei > kammia 10aria. > > Tha thelame, ston epomeno mina na exoume pano apo 100 > sinolika Linux CDs gia diathesi. > > Voula Sanida > Tamias Exv diauesimo CD-R kai mporv na gracv CDs. Kapoies leptomeries: - Den exv agorasei kanena linux CD teleytaia. Exv ftiajei omvs CD redhat 5.1 bootable poy doyleyei kanonika kai exv balei mesa kai diafora pragmata (px. KDE, gimp, kernels klp.klp.), ola apo ftp mirroring. Na gracv kati tetoio (ennoeitai dokimasmeno na doyleyei)? An oxi, as moy pei kapoios ti na gracv h apo poy na parv CD etoimo gia antigrafh. - Synhuvs agorazv Verbatim CD-Rs apo plaisio, 584 drx to ena. Ua dvsete xrhmata se draxmes? Idia CDs? Alla CD-Rs (xeirotera/fthnotera)? Mhpvs na dvrisv egv ta CDs? Kanenas na proteinei fthno magazi me CDs? Bye, Antonis -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Antonios Kavarnos (Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr) National Technical University of Athens ...born to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From yang at acropolis.net Sun Oct 18 21:59:24 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:59:24 +0300 Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed References: <19981018140825.12687.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <362A3A8C.193D34E6@acropolis.net> Voula Sanida wrote: > > Episis opoios exei palia (i nea CDs) me Linux > (2.0.30,2.0.31, 2.0.34, 2.0.35!!!) pou den ta thelei > pia, borei na to dilosei episis. Idi exoun mazeftei > kammia 10aria. > > Voula Sanida > Tamias 1)Slackware 3.4 2)Turbo linux v1.0 3)Debian ?? Ayta.. Yannis........ From fm94 at freemail.gr Mon Oct 19 02:03:35 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:03:35 +0200 Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed In-Reply-To: <199810181924.WAA08682@hpc.ntua.gr> References: <19981018140825.12687.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981019010335.0085deb0@teemail.tee.gr> >- Synhuvs agorazv Verbatim CD-Rs apo plaisio, 584 drx to ena. >Ua dvsete xrhmata se draxmes? Idia CDs? Alla CD-Rs (xeirotera/fthnotera)? >Mhpvs na dvrisv egv ta CDs? > >Kanenas na proteinei fthno magazi me CDs? > 8a paro mia prosfora gia kamia 200 CD's kai 8as enimeroso.. kalo noumero?? From mkabrian at acropolis.net Mon Oct 19 04:10:11 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:10:11 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Postgres alignment error In-Reply-To: <362A10C6.8D38A347@papasavas.gr> Message-ID: <199810190103.BAA05260@mk.aua.gr> On 18-Oct-98 Constantine Manoussakis wrote: Kosta, i hellug lista asxoleitai mono me themata tou hellug. Den yparxei logos na stelneis tetoies erotiseis ekei. Stelne tis stin linux-greek-users. Outws i allws, osoi einai stin hellug einai kai stin linux-greek-users. Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Mon Oct 19 04:14:31 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:14:31 -0000 (GMT) Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed In-Reply-To: <199810181924.WAA08682@hpc.ntua.gr> Message-ID: <199810190107.BAA05268@mk.aua.gr> On 18-Oct-98 Antonios A. Kavarnos wrote: > > Exv diauesimo CD-R kai mporv na gracv CDs. > Kapoies leptomeries: > > - Den exv agorasei kanena linux CD teleytaia. Exv ftiajei omvs > CD redhat 5.1 bootable poy doyleyei kanonika kai exv balei mesa > kai diafora pragmata (px. KDE, gimp, kernels klp.klp.), ola > apo ftp mirroring. > Na gracv kati tetoio (ennoeitai dokimasmeno na doyleyei)? Nai!!!! > > An oxi, as moy pei kapoios ti na gracv h apo poy na parv > CD etoimo gia antigrafh. > > - Synhuvs agorazv Verbatim CD-Rs apo plaisio, 584 drx to ena. > Ua dvsete xrhmata se draxmes? Idia CDs? Alla CD-Rs (xeirotera/fthnotera)? > Mhpvs na dvrisv egv ta CDs? Oxi, (min ta baleis esy) psaxnoume gia ftines times. Deytera-triti tha kseroume. Logika Tetarti tha yparxoun ta CDs etoima. Pernate apo kapoio melos tou DS kai ta pairnete, i me kapoion allo tropo, tha ta broume telos pantwn. > > Kanenas na proteinei fthno magazi me CDs? :-) > > Bye, > Antonis > Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Mon Oct 19 04:16:43 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:16:43 -0000 (GMT) Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199810190110.BAA05280@mk.aua.gr> On 18-Oct-98 Glavas Orestis wrote: > CD-Recorder dia8esimos........ > > Epishs, dia8etv ta CD ths Infomagic Aug-97. > > Dia8esimo gia antigrafh einai kai to Debian/GNU Linux 2.0 Oraia, giati ayto den to eixame mexri twra :-) > > Orestis Glavas > > Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Mon Oct 19 04:19:44 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:19:44 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Cds full-speed diefkriniseis. Message-ID: <199810190113.BAA05288@mk.aua.gr> Osoi symmetasxoun sto grapsimo CD tha laboun CDs apo to syllogo. Tha ta kratane mazi tous stin sygkentrwsi - happening, EKTOS an den mporoun na briskontai ekei ekeini ti mera (i opoia den kseroume akoma poia tha einai) opote na synnenoithoun na ta paradwsoun se opoion tous boleyei pio poly (eite apo to DS i allon symmetexonta sto happening). Ta idia isxyoun kai gia osous exoun CD na dwrisoun Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From mkabrian at acropolis.net Mon Oct 19 04:33:16 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:33:16 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Happening Message-ID: <199810190126.BAA05313@mk.aua.gr> Etoimazoume fylladio gia to happening To fylladio sxediastika "perase" apo to D.S. Akolouthei to keimeno gia diorthoseis - prosthikes - afaireseis - protaseis. Exete ypopsin sas oti to keimeno prepi na einai panw - katw toso oso blepete :-) To fylladio einai 4selido A5 (A4 diladi diplwmeno sta 2) Oi stigmes einai typografikos oros gia megethos grammatwn. An den to katalabainete, agnoiste to. 1h selida: Megala grammata : (24 stigmes)Τον "τύπο" εκείνο τον παράξενο, που κυκλοφορεί ελεύθερα στον κυβερνοχώρο και άλλα παρόμοια "εξωτικά" μέρη, σίγουρα τον έχετε συναντήσει σε μία από τις βόλτες σας, ίσως όμως να μην τον έχετε γνωρίσει ακόμα... (32 stigmes)Μήπως ήρθε η ώρα; (40 stigmes)Είναι ο Tux ο πιγκουίνος!!! 2h selida: Metria grammata (16 stigmwn) Το Linux είναι ένα ελεύθερα αναπτυσσόμενο λειτουργικό σύστημα, που ζει και υπάρχει μέσα στους πανίσχυρους εξυπηρέτες του Internet, αλλά και σε πολλούς προσωπικούς υπολογιστές ανά τον κόσμο. Αυτή τη στιγμή 27% των Web-servers της Ευρώπης χρησιμοποιούν Linux, και όλο και περισσότεροι άνθρωποι εγκαταλείπουν άλλα λειτουργικά για να χρησιμοποιήσουν ΑΠΟΚΛΕΙΣΤΙΚΑ το Linux. Το Linux διατίθεται δωρεάν, γιατί η πληροφορία ΠΡΕΠΕΙ να είναι ελεύθερη, και αναπτύσσεται από... όποιον θέλει να συνεισφέρει, στα πλαίσια και την φιλοσοφία του Free Software Foundation. Το Linux στην Ελλάδα έχει ισχυρή παρουσία, με τον δικό του σύλλογο HEL.L.U.G., τις δικές του ιστοσελίδες (http://www.linux.gr και http://www.hellug.gr), το δικό του περιοδικό (http://magaz.hellug.gr), τις δικές του mailing lists (hellug at hellug.gr, howto at hellug.gr και linux­greek­users at hellug.gr), και τις δικές του δραστηριότητες (ανάπτυξη εφαρμογών, μεταφράσεις κλπ). 3h selida: Το Linux απευθύνεται στον φοιτητή, τον προγραμματιστή, τον χομπίστα, τον επαγγελματία. Αυτή τη στιγμή υπάρχουν πάνω από 2.000 εφαρμογές για Linux που στην συντριπτική τους πλειοψηφία (πάνω από 90%) προσφέρονται ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΑ δωρεάν, τις περισσότερες φορές δε, μαζί με τον πηγαίο κώδικα, για να μπορεί όποιος θέλει να κάνει τροποποιήσεις ή / και βελτιώσεις. Το Linux είναι το λειτουργικό που σέβεται την αξία του υπολογιστή σας, μη απαιτώντας συνέχεια όλο και πιο ισχυρό σύστημα, για να δουλέψει... ένας απλός κειμενογράφος! Το Linux είναι το λειτουργικό που σέβεται τον δικό σας κόπο, μη αφήνοντας ΚΑΜΙΑ κακογραμμένη εφαρμογή να "παγώσει" τον υπολογιστή σας ή και όλες τις άλλες εφαρμογές που χρησιμοποιείτε εκείνη την ώρα. Το Linux τέλος, είναι το ΜΟΝΟ λειτουργικό σύστημα που παρουσιάζει ποσοστό αύξησης χρηστών από έτος σε έτος, κοντά ή και πάνω από 100%. 4h selida: O pigkouinos mas kai me mikra grammata: (10 stigmes)Το λογότυπο του Hellug έφτιαξε ο Νίκος Αράχωβας σε Linux - GIMP Το φυλλάδιο αυτό φτιάχτηκε σε StarOffice 4.0, φυσικά σε Linux... Επικοινωνήστε μαζί μας για περισσότερες πληροφορίες για το Linux ή τον σύλλογο Hellug, στο email info at hellug.gr Stin koryfi kathe diselidou (1-4 kai 2-3) tha grafei me 40 stigmvn grammata: Don't fear (aristeri selida) the Penguins!!! (deksia selida) Syntoma to fylladio eite me ayto to keimeno i me diorthomeno meta apo dikes sas protaseis klp, tha anartithei se web - selida se pdf, giati einai kai ligo gaidouri apo megethos :-) Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 19 02:50:17 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:50:17 +0200 Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed References: <199810181924.WAA08682@hpc.ntua.gr> Message-ID: <362A7EB9.FA770ABD@ametro.gr> > - Synhuvs agorazv Verbatim CD-Rs apo plaisio, 584 drx to ena. > Ua dvsete xrhmata se draxmes? Idia CDs? Alla CD-Rs (xeirotera/fthnotera)? > Mhpvs na dvrisv egv ta CDs? > > Kanenas na proteinei fthno magazi me CDs? emeis tha agorasoume xontriki CDs. Boroume na sou dosoume osa CD xreiasteis prin i meta tin antigrafi. An thes na valeis dika sou kai na pareis blank, i an thes na sinantithoume kai na sou dosoume apo tin arxi kena. Den ksero ti CDs xrisimopoieis alla fantazomai pos afta pou tha paroume tha'nai pros to ftino. Opote mallon i prin tin antigrafi sinantisi fainetai na se simferei. Episis boroume na sou dosoume RH5.1 i suse original gia mitra. E. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 19 02:50:50 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:50:50 +0200 Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed References: <19981018140825.12687.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> <3.0.5.32.19981019010335.0085deb0@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <362A7EDA.AFBF21C0@ametro.gr> > 8a paro mia prosfora gia kamia 200 CD's kai 8as enimeroso.. > > kalo noumero?? diairese to dia 2 From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 19 02:59:27 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:59:27 +0200 Subject: CDs CDs CDs References: Message-ID: <362A80DF.680F09F6@ametro.gr> Opote na po ego kai an exei kapoios antirrisi/diefkrini as mou steilei prosopiko mail. Episis min distasei opoios thelei na paragei kai perissotera. Exoume Orestis Glavas eggrafi 10 CD palia 1 Giannis Gyftomitros >> 0 CD palia 3 Antonis Kavarnos >> 10 CD palia 0 Kostas Maistrelis >> 10 CD palia 0 Mixalis Kabrianis >> 0 CD palia 5 Evripidis Papakostas >> 10 CD palia 7 Kremmidas Kleanthis >> 10 CD palia 0 ----------------- 50 16 66 pros to paron ksero pos einai diathesimos kai o Bolis. As steilei lista kai as pei kai aftos. Opoios episis thelei na parei CDs apo emas prin arxisei na mou to pei me prosopiko email. From pavgeris at usa.net Mon Oct 19 04:11:02 1998 From: pavgeris at usa.net (Peter Avgeris) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:11:02 +0200 Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed In-Reply-To: <362A7EB9.FA770ABD@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <000401bdfafd$56cb0ee0$0101a8c0@pa1.pavgeris.gr> > > > - Synhuvs agorazv Verbatim CD-Rs apo plaisio, 584 drx to ena. > > Ua dvsete xrhmata se draxmes? Idia CDs? Alla CD-Rs > (xeirotera/fthnotera)? > > Mhpvs na dvrisv egv ta CDs? > > > > Kanenas na proteinei fthno magazi me CDs? > emeis tha agorasoume xontriki CDs. Boroume na sou dosoume osa CD > xreiasteis prin i meta tin antigrafi. An thes na valeis dika sou kai na > pareis blank, i an thes na sinantithoume kai na sou dosoume apo tin arxi > kena. Den ksero ti CDs xrisimopoieis alla fantazomai pos afta pou tha > paroume tha'nai pros to ftino. Opote mallon i prin tin antigrafi > sinantisi fainetai na se simferei. > > Episis boroume na sou dosoume RH5.1 i suse original gia mitra. > > E. > koitajte, egw den pairnw pote Verbatim. Kai gia poio logo? Ma dioti einai AKRIBWS ta idia me ta NO NAME!!!!! Nai, kala akoysate, PRAKTIKA omoia me ta no name! Kai lew praktika dioti den einai akribws idia, alla peripoy. Ta verbatim exoyn mple epikalypsh apo katw. Genika yparxoyne 2 eidh: ta xrysa, ta mple kai ta prasina. Ta kalytera einai ta xrysa kai ta mple, me mesh diarkeia zwhs apo oti lene ta 100 xronia. Ta prasina antexoyn kata meso oro "monon 30 xronia". Peste moy omws poia CDs apo ayta poy grafete twra qa xrhsimopoieite meta apo 30 xronia... Edw poy ta leme, se 30 xronia, opws pane ta pragmata, ua... blepoyme to grasidi anapoda. Se xrysa na grafete monon Kodak Photo CDs poy qelete na dwrhsete klhronomia sta eggonakia sas, kai poy qa exoyne tis paidikes sas fwtografies mazi me to soi, thn oikogeneia, to Pasxa me ta arnia kai ola ta fagopotia kai ta sxetika... Epishs gia ena allo logo den pairnw CDs epwnyma kai malista se koyti. Skefthke kaneis 100-200 CDs se koytaki poso xwro pianoyne? Oloklhrh biblioqhkh! Enw xyma, sto sakoylaki, xwrane 100ades mesa se ena syrtari mesaioy megeuoys. Egw pantws diaqetw CD recorder 4x alla teleytaia den exw xrono arketo. Syntoma omws elpizw oti qa exw, opote ean kapoios einai sthn eyryterh perioxh N. Smyrnhs - Palaioy Falhroy - Neoy Kosmoy - Kalliqeas kai qelei CDakia Linux, as moy steilei proswpiko mail. Ayta ta oliga gia thn wra. +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Peter D. Avgeris | Mechanical Engineer (N.T.U.A.) | | 26, Saranta Ekklision st. | Tel.: +30 1 9346257 FAX: +30 1 9577997 | | 171 24 | Mobile: +30 94 774746 | | Athens | E-mail: pavgeris at usa.net ICQ: 3972577 | | GREECE | Web: http://members.xoom.com/pavgeris | +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From theodore at eexi.gr Mon Oct 19 11:35:24 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:35:24 +0200 Subject: CDs etc .... Message-ID: <362AF9CC.289DA1AD@eexi.gr> Mporo ki ego na grapso kamia 10aria cds... BTW, mhpos tha htan kalytero na perimenoume ligo prin arxisoume na grafoume ? Mexri ton Dekemvrh mporei na exoun allaksei arketa, opote an einai na to kanoume to 2o miso toy Dekemvrh isos tha htan kalo na arxisoume na grafoume arxes Dekemvrh - ektos ki an yparxei periptosh na mhn prolavoume ... Gia ta plottings, psaxno na vro tropo na megaloso kapoion tux se analysh katallhlh gia ektyposh se megalo megethos. O graphics guru mou edo mou eipe oti einai dyskolh douleia - eite kaneis aplh megenthysh kai diorthoseis me to xeri, eite to metatrepseis se vector (me kapoio mysthrio programma gia Mac pou den to ksero ...). Exei kanenas kana Tux se ypshlh analysh h se vector morfh ? Shmeioste oti o plotter typonei se rolo platoys 90cm. Gia thn hmeromhnia, as prospathisoume na vroume kapoia pou na mhn peftei *mesa* se diakopes - isos ligo prin ta xristougenna, se ergasimh mera ? Dioti metaksy Linux kai ekdromhs, mallon to deytero kerdizei ... :-) T. -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 19 11:49:59 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:49:59 +0200 Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed References: <000401bdfafd$56cb0ee0$0101a8c0@pa1.pavgeris.gr> Message-ID: <362AFD37.6A7928B7@ametro.gr> > Egw pantws diaqetw CD recorder 4x alla teleytaia den exw xrono arketo. > Syntoma omws elpizw oti qa exw, opote ean kapoios einai sthn eyryterh > perioxh N. Smyrnhs - Palaioy Falhroy - Neoy Kosmoy - Kalliqeas kai qelei > CDakia Linux, as moy steilei proswpiko mail. MA theloume CDakia Linux. Afto leme. Tha mas kaneis 10 apo afta? Thes kapoio prototypo gia mitra? Na se ipologizoume? From glavas at ceid.upatras.gr Mon Oct 19 13:17:04 1998 From: glavas at ceid.upatras.gr (Glavas Orestis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:17:04 +0300 ( ) Subject: CDs Message-ID: >Exoume >Orestis Glavas eggrafi 10 CD palia 1 To Debian (mazi me ta non-free, contrib kai ta sources), einai 3 CDakia. An meinoun ejv ta sources, einai 2 CD. Opote, to grafv 3x10=30 CDakia? From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Mon Oct 19 13:27:19 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:27:19 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: CDs In-Reply-To: from Glavas Orestis at "Oct 19, 98 01:17:04 pm" Message-ID: <199810191027.NAA16495@hpc.ntua.gr> > >Exoume > >Orestis Glavas eggrafi 10 CD palia 1 > > To Debian (mazi me ta non-free, contrib kai ta sources), einai 3 CDakia. An > meinoun ejv ta sources, einai 2 CD. Opote, to grafv 3x10=30 CDakia? Ua gracoyme kai non-free programmata? Den einai paranomo? Kai ua antigracoyme programmata linux? Kai egv ua elega na ginei h antigrafh telos Noembrioy, arxes Dekembrioy, alla na exoyn kanonistei apo prin poios ua antigracei posa. Otan agorastoyn ta CDs, ua synanthuv me kapoion gia na parv na gracv. Bye, Antonis -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Antonios Kavarnos (Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr) National Technical University of Athens ...born to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 19 16:37:31 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:37:31 -0000 (GMT) Subject: CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19-Oct-98 Glavas Orestis wrote: >>Exoume >>Orestis Glavas eggrafi 10 CD palia 1 > > > To Debian (mazi me ta non-free, contrib kai ta sources), einai 3 CDakia. An > meinoun ejv ta sources, einai 2 CD. Opote, to grafv 3x10=30 CDakia? Emmm, gia egkatastasi thelei panw apo ena CD? Basika theloume na dinoume 1 cd pou na to bazoune kai na min zitaei deytero stin egkatastasi. An ginetai ayto MONO me to prwto CD o.k., alliws tha broume allo prototypo. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From pavgeris at usa.net Mon Oct 19 14:38:35 1998 From: pavgeris at usa.net (Peter Avgeris) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:38:35 +0200 Subject: Peri eggrafhs CDs In-Reply-To: <362AFD37.6A7928B7@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <000001bdfb55$01cc2570$0101a8c0@pa1.pavgeris.gr> > > > Egw pantws diaqetw CD recorder 4x alla teleytaia den exw xrono arketo. > > Syntoma omws elpizw oti qa exw, opote ean kapoios einai sthn eyryterh > > perioxh N. Smyrnhs - Palaioy Falhroy - Neoy Kosmoy - Kalliqeas kai qelei > > CDakia Linux, as moy steilei proswpiko mail. > MA theloume CDakia Linux. Afto leme. Tha mas kaneis 10 apo afta? Thes > kapoio prototypo gia mitra? Na se ipologizoume? > Mwre kai 20 kai 30 sas grafw. To problhma moy einai oti ayth th stigmh akribws den exw egkatesthmeno to Linux sto spiti, opoy exw kai to CD recorder. Den jerw kata poso doyleyei to on-the-fly copy apo cd se cd, otan to cd ayto einai oxi aplo iso9660 h joliet, alla exei kai Rock Ridge extensions (file permissions, etc) poy xrhsimopoioyne sta UNIX systhmata, xrhsimopoiwntas programma eggrafhs ton EasyCD Creator 3.5a ths Adaptec, se periballon Windows. Gia ayto, kalytera dwste moy mia mhtra se CD h Tape (DAT DDS, archived me thn entolh tar) enos iso9660 image toy CD poy qa ginei kopia, to opoio qa to perasw sto sklhro kai apo ekei transfer se osa CDs xreiastei. Exw dokimasei to mkisofs se RedHat 5.0 kai Digital UNIX kai doyleyei apsoga me Rock Ridge extensions. Pros dieykolynsh, h entolh gia ayto einai: mkisofs -a -o -R -L -v Steilete reply +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Peter D. Avgeris | Mechanical Engineer (N.T.U.A.) | | 26, Saranta Ekklision st. | Tel.: +30 1 9346257 FAX: +30 1 9577997 | | 171 24 | Mobile: +30 94 774746 | | Athens | E-mail: pavgeris at usa.net ICQ: 3972577 | | GREECE | Web: http://members.xoom.com/pavgeris | +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ From theodore at eexi.gr Mon Oct 19 14:46:42 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:46:42 +0200 Subject: CDs Message-ID: <362B26A2.8D1CFDA0@eexi.gr> Proteino na exoume sygekrimena prototypa ap opou tha antigrapsoume, oxi aparaithta ena. Ap oti ksero, oles oi distributions exoun 1 vasiko cd - ta ypoloipa einai commercial (pou den mporoume na antigrapsoume), source, kai epipleon software. Opote tha mporousame na grafoume to teleytaio RedHat (to vasiko toy cd), to teleytaio SuSe (omoios) kai isos merika Slackware (gia na ta dosoume se pio proxorhmenous), etsi oste na dinoume *1* cd ston kathena. Den leei na moiazoume kopies toy sunsite etsi den einai ? Kai na mhn antigrapsoume apo palia CDs, den exei nohma. Mono o,ti pio teleytaio exoume (An thymamai kala RH5.2, SuSe 5.3, Slackware 3.5). Sthn anagh as katevasei kapoios cd image apo to diktyo kai as kanei master gia na grapsoun oi ypoloipoi. Mhn moirasoume 15 diaforetika outdated versions, mallon arnhtiko tha einai gia to Linux. T. -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 19 16:51:49 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:51:49 -0000 (GMT) Subject: CDs In-Reply-To: <199810191027.NAA16495@hpc.ntua.gr> Message-ID: On 19-Oct-98 Antonios A. Kavarnos wrote: >> >Exoume >> >Orestis Glavas eggrafi 10 CD palia 1 >> >> To Debian (mazi me ta non-free, contrib kai ta sources), einai 3 CDakia. An >> meinoun ejv ta sources, einai 2 CD. Opote, to grafv 3x10=30 CDakia? > > Ua gracoyme kai non-free programmata? Den einai paranomo? Kai ua antigracoyme > programmata linux? > Eksartatai. Ta non-free einai demos me time-bomb (P.x. applix), alliws einai periorismeno licence (P.x. Staroffice) Gnwmi mou na grafoume ta panta, alla OXI COMMERCIAL (diladi min grapsei kanenas to motif i to Applix xwris imerominia likseos) Akoume protaseis. > Kai egv ua elega na ginei h antigrafh telos Noembrioy, arxes Dekembrioy, > alla na exoyn kanonistei apo prin poios ua antigracei posa. Xronos? Mas ftanei? > > Otan agorastoyn ta CDs, ua synanthuv me kapoion gia na parv na gracv. > > Bye, > Antonis > > -- ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 19 16:03:17 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:03:17 +0200 Subject: IRTHAN TA CDs Message-ID: <362B3895.E1A185D4@ametro.gr> exoume 100 aggrafa kena CDs. apo afta 15 pire idi o Maistrelis >> 15 >> o Kremmidas >> 10 >> o Evripidis opote opoios thelei as mou steilei pleon prosopiko mail na mou pei posa thelei, pote boroume na sinantithoume klp. EPISIS: opoios analavei na kopsei CDs as koitaksei to proto pou tha dimiourgisei an doulevei (an vlepei oti arxeia eprepe na dei, an bootarei - an to arxiko einai bootable klp). Opoios den exei arxiko CD gia antigrafi, tha tou dosoume emeis (RH5.1, SuSe 5.2). Kai ta 2 einai 1 CD ta binaries, bootable, den apaitoun tipota extra, den exoun commercial Apps. An kapoios allos thelei na antigrapsei kapoio allo (1 CD na'nai) p.x. Slackware i Debian i OpenLinux i Stampede i oti thelei, elefthera (arkei na'nai oso pio uptodate ginetai). Evripidis - perimeno ta mails sas. From kokni at eexi.gr Mon Oct 19 21:28:08 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:28:08 -0200 (GMT+2) Subject: CD's Message-ID: Kat'arxhn blepw phrate fora (kalo auto !!) loipon, se liges meres bgainei o teleutaios stable 2.0.36 kai kapaki akoloy8ei h telutaia 5.x ekdosh tou RedHat (kata paradosh pleon 5.2, blepe 4.2 stable release). Omoiws mesa sto noembrio o Linus exei "yposxe8ei" ton 2.2 kai oi prwtes 2.2 distro 8a bgoun ta Xristougenna (sthn Amerikh). Eiste sigouroi oti prepei na kanoume stock apo RedHat 5.1 ? Anaferomai sto Redhat giati auto gnwrizw kala. Pi8anws na isxyoun kai gia alles distro's. Synepws 8a ftia3w kai egw CD's (osa perissotera mporw) alla oxi twra. 8a perimenw na bgei to RedHat 5.2 OK? Nikos Kokras From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 19 17:47:29 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:47:29 +0200 Subject: CD's References: Message-ID: <362B5101.B6EFE430@ametro.gr> > Synepws 8a ftia3w kai egw CD's (osa perissotera mporw) alla oxi twra. > 8a perimenw na bgei to RedHat 5.2 > OK? exoume 60. Pare/dilose esy apo tora osa boreis kai kopse oti theleis. From sbolis at usa.net Mon Oct 19 16:54:59 1998 From: sbolis at usa.net (Spiros Bolis) Date: 19 Oct 98 07:54:59 MDT Subject: CDiwn (kai allwn) .. synexeia Message-ID: <19981019135459.3678.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Gia arxh sygnwmh gia thn kathysterhmenh antidrash . Sto pshto: Borw na grapsw Cdia kai malista polla kai me asfaleia logw prodiagrafwn toy mhxanhmatos (4x SCSI Writer- 20x SCSI Reader). Tha perasw kapoia stigmh apo Tetarth apo kapoion toy DS gia na parw kena diskakia. Exw prototypa ta Red Hat 5.1 , SuSE 5.3 kai exw katevasei se CD to KDE 1.0 oloklhro (gia Linux. Sun , source, rpm ktl ktl.) Kanonizoyme ti tha grapsw apo konta me opoion synantithw. Me thn eykairia ayth dhlwnw pws borw na asxolhthw kai me to web publishing kai me ligo administration an pesei pollh doyleia sta paidia poy anelaban ta antistoixa posta. Telos , opws eipa kai ston Evripidh xtes apo thlephonoy, exw ena magazi sthn Amfithea ('opoios 3erei : K.Palaiologoy + Ygeias) poy me 3erei giati agorazw CDs me th sesoyla (100-200 kommatia th fora). An kai twra ta phrame boroyme na "xtyphsoyme" kalh timh thn allh fora.....Sta ypopsh Xairetw, Spiros Bolis ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 19 20:29:57 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:29:57 -0000 (GMT) Subject: CDiwn (kai allwn) .. synexeia In-Reply-To: <19981019135459.3678.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: On 19-Oct-98 Spiros Bolis wrote: Geia sou Spyro > Me thn eykairia ayth dhlwnw pws borw na asxolhthw kai me to web publishing > kai me ligo administration an pesei pollh doyleia sta paidia poy anelaban ta > antistoixa posta. Oraia, mila me ton Kremmyda Kleanthi gia to thema tou web. > Telos , opws eipa kai ston Evripidh xtes apo thlephonoy, exw ena magazi sthn > Amfithea ('opoios 3erei : K.Palaiologoy + Ygeias) poy me 3erei giati agorazw > CDs me th sesoyla (100-200 kommatia th fora). An kai twra ta phrame boroyme > na > "xtyphsoyme" kalh timh thn allh fora.....Sta ypopsh > Xairetw, > Spiros Bolis Tha to kratisoume sta ypopsin. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From admin at edessa.topo.auth.gr Mon Oct 19 16:14:58 1998 From: admin at edessa.topo.auth.gr (Kostas Lialiambis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:14:58 +0300 Subject: cd's apo Amaliada References: Message-ID: <70ffao$ok0$1@edessa.topo.auth.gr> Xristos Athanasopoulos wrote in message ... > Επίσης θα ήθελα αν γίνεται κάποιος να μου στείλει το SUSE 5.3 γιατί >έχω το 5.2 (το οποίο θα σας το στείλω κι αυτό αν βρώ το 5.3) ;-) Σταμάτα να κάνεις ζαβολιές γιατί θα σε μαρτυρήσω στο Δ.Σ. και θα σου ανεβάσει την συνδρομή από πένδε σε επιτά χιλιάδες. Κορ. From axrst at linux.futurekids Mon Oct 19 17:53:00 1998 From: axrst at linux.futurekids (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: 19 Oct 1998 14:53:00 GMT Subject: cd's apo Amaliada References: , <70ffao$ok0$1@edessa.topo.auth.gr> Message-ID: In article <70ffao$ok0$1 at edessa.topo.auth.gr>, Kostas Lialiambis wrote: >> ?????? ?? ????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ?? SUSE 5.3 ????? >>??? ?? 5.2 (?? ????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ?? 5.3) ;-) >??????? ?? ?????? ???????? ????? ?? ?? ????????? ??? ?.?. ??? ?? ??? >???????? ??? ???????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ????????. ????????! ??? ????????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ??????????????? ???????, ??? ????? ???????? 10 ????????! ????????? ???! Xrst. From axrst at linux.futurekids Mon Oct 19 16:29:43 1998 From: axrst at linux.futurekids (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: 19 Oct 1998 13:29:43 GMT Subject: cd's apo Amaliada Message-ID: ??? ?? ??? ?????? cd's ?? ??? ????... ????? 2 sets ??? infomagic (??? ??????? ?? ??? ??????) ?? 6 cd's ?? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ??? redhat ?????? 5.0. ?????? ??? ??? ????????? ?? ?? ??????. ?????? ?? ????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ?? SUSE 5.3 ????? ??? ?? 5.2 (?? ????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ?? 5.3) ;-) Xrst. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Mon Oct 19 19:52:56 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:52:56 +0300 Subject: Happening References: <199810190126.BAA05313@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <362B6E68.4D873605@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Kalo Kalo !!! Apla mia mikrh allagh apo mena Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > Το Linux είναι το λειτουργικό που σέβεται την αξία του υπολογιστή σας, μη > απαιτώντας συνέχεια όλο και πιο ισχυρό σύστημα, για να δουλέψει... ένας απλός > κειμενογράφος! ενώ ταυτόχρονα θα εκμεταλλευθεί στο έπακρο όλες τις δυνατότητές του > Etoimazoume fylladio gia to happening alhtheia poy peripoy tha ginei to happening ? Prosvpika moy fainetai poly kalo na ginei mesa se kentriko katasthma PC h biliopvleio, vlepe Stournara (an kai den kserv kata poso ayto einai effikto) Exei kaneis "akres" apo dv se tipota tetoio ?? Nomizv pvw einai to pio shmantiko problhmataki. Yannis From kyr-john at geocities.com Mon Oct 19 23:46:34 1998 From: kyr-john at geocities.com (Kyriazopoulos G Ioannis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:46:34 +0300 Subject: CDs etc .... References: <362AF9CC.289DA1AD@eexi.gr> Message-ID: <362BA52A.D9E3F752@geocities.com> Programma poy metatrepei ta Bitmap se Vector exei To Corel Draw, to Trace meta apo prospa8eies mporei na petixoume auto pou 8eloume..... genika petixenei otan i eikona exei amigi xromata :) Theodore J. Soldatos wrote: > Mporo ki ego na grapso kamia 10aria cds... BTW, mhpos tha htan kalytero na > perimenoume ligo prin arxisoume na grafoume ? Mexri ton Dekemvrh mporei na exoun > allaksei arketa, opote an einai na to kanoume to 2o miso toy Dekemvrh isos tha > htan kalo na arxisoume na grafoume arxes Dekemvrh - ektos ki an yparxei > periptosh na mhn prolavoume ... > > Gia ta plottings, psaxno na vro tropo na megaloso kapoion tux se analysh > katallhlh gia ektyposh se megalo megethos. O graphics guru mou edo mou eipe oti > einai dyskolh douleia - eite kaneis aplh megenthysh kai diorthoseis me to xeri, > eite to metatrepseis se vector (me kapoio mysthrio programma gia Mac pou den to > ksero ...). Exei kanenas kana Tux se ypshlh analysh h se vector morfh ? > Shmeioste oti o plotter typonei se rolo platoys 90cm. > > Gia thn hmeromhnia, as prospathisoume na vroume kapoia pou na mhn peftei *mesa* > se diakopes - isos ligo prin ta xristougenna, se ergasimh mera ? Dioti metaksy > Linux kai ekdromhs, mallon to deytero kerdizei ... :-) > > T. > > -- > Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== > = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= > =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== > ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= > = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ > ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== From mkabrian at acropolis.net Tue Oct 20 03:28:50 1998 From: mkabrian at acropolis.net (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:28:50 -0000 (GMT) Subject: CDs etc .... In-Reply-To: <362BA52A.D9E3F752@geocities.com> Message-ID: <199810200022.AAA06619@mk.aua.gr> On 19-Oct-98 Kyriazopoulos G Ioannis wrote: > Programma poy metatrepei ta Bitmap se Vector exei To Corel Draw, to Trace > > meta apo prospa8eies mporei na petixoume auto pou 8eloume..... > > genika petixenei otan i eikona exei amigi xromata :) > >> >> Gia ta plottings, psaxno na vro tropo na megaloso kapoion tux se analysh >> katallhlh gia ektyposh se megalo megethos. O graphics guru mou edo mou eipe >> oti >> einai dyskolh douleia - eite kaneis aplh megenthysh kai diorthoseis me to >> xeri, >> eite to metatrepseis se vector (me kapoio mysthrio programma gia Mac pou den >> to >> ksero ...). Exei kanenas kana Tux se ypshlh analysh h se vector morfh ? >> Shmeioste oti o plotter typonei se rolo platoys 90cm. >> Tha dokimasw kai tha sas pw. Tha kserete an ta katafera i oxi (me apodekta ennooume apotelesmata) tin Tetarti to prwi. Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view this message, BEWARE! I am NOT responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Tue Oct 20 00:49:55 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:49:55 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed In-Reply-To: <000401bdfafd$56cb0ee0$0101a8c0@pa1.pavgeris.gr> from Peter Avgeris at "Oct 19, 98 03:11:02 am" Message-ID: <199810192149.AAA20972@hpc.ntua.gr> > > > > > - Synhuvs agorazv Verbatim CD-Rs apo plaisio, 584 drx to ena. > > koitajte, egw den pairnw pote Verbatim. Kai gia poio logo? > Ma dioti einai AKRIBWS ta idia me ta NO NAME!!!!! Nai, kala akoysate, > PRAKTIKA omoia me ta no name! Kai lew praktika dioti den einai akribws idia, > alla peripoy. Ta verbatim exoyn mple epikalypsh apo katw. Genika yparxoyne 2 > eidh: ta xrysa, ta mple kai ta prasina. Ta kalytera einai ta xrysa kai ta 2 eidh, ta ejhs 3: Ta xrysa, ta prasina, ta ashmenia kai ta mple :-))) Ta tessera xrvmata dhmioyrgoyntai analoga me thn anaklastikh epifaneia toy CD (xrysos-kitrinos h alloyminio-ashmi) kai apo to xrvma ths polymeroys envshs (mple h diafanh). Bye, Antonis -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Antonios Kavarnos (Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr) National Technical University of Athens ...born to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Oct 20 08:08:37 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:08:37 +0300 Subject: cd's apo Amaliada References: Message-ID: <362C1AD5.708F2F03@ametro.gr> Xristos Athanasopoulos wrote: > > Εχω κι εγώ μερικά cd's να σας δώσω... Είναι 2 sets της > infomagic > (ενα περσυνό κι ένα φετινό) με 6 cd's το καθένα κι ένα διπλό της > redhat > έκδοση 5.0. Γράψτε μου μια διεύθυνση να τα στείλω. steile ta opote boreis- stin edra tou syllogou :-) evripidis papakostas roumelis 10 153 41 agia paraskevi, athina. see'ya From pavgeris at usa.net Tue Oct 20 11:30:39 1998 From: pavgeris at usa.net (Peter Avgeris) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:30:39 +0200 Subject: CD Writers at Full Speed In-Reply-To: <199810192149.AAA20972@hpc.ntua.gr> Message-ID: <000001bdfc03$eb0ed080$0101a8c0@pa1.pavgeris.gr> > > > > - Synhuvs agorazv Verbatim CD-Rs apo plaisio, 584 drx to ena. > > > > koitajte, egw den pairnw pote Verbatim. Kai gia poio logo? > > Ma dioti einai AKRIBWS ta idia me ta NO NAME!!!!! Nai, kala akoysate, > > PRAKTIKA omoia me ta no name! Kai lew praktika dioti den einai > akribws idia, > > alla peripoy. Ta verbatim exoyn mple epikalypsh apo katw. > Genika yparxoyne 2 > > eidh: ta xrysa, ta mple kai ta prasina. Ta kalytera einai ta > xrysa kai ta > > 2 eidh, ta ejhs 3: Ta xrysa, ta prasina, ta ashmenia kai ta mple :-))) > > Ta tessera xrvmata dhmioyrgoyntai analoga me thn anaklastikh epifaneia > toy CD (xrysos-kitrinos h alloyminio-ashmi) kai apo to xrvma ths > polymeroys envshs (mple h diafanh). Nai, ontws, laqos ek paradromhs! Einai ayto poy leme oi epta sofoi ths arxaiothtas htan pente. Oi ejhs treis: o Qalhs h Milhsios! :-))) Kalh sas mera! From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Oct 23 08:46:29 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:46:29 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: sfragida..] Message-ID: <36301835.56293DE5@ametro.gr> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Maistrelis Kostas Subject: sfragida.. Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:46:26 +0200 Size: 1180 URL: From mkab at forthnet.gr Fri Oct 23 16:12:25 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:12:25 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Hellug.gr Hosting Message-ID: Sas pliroforoume oti irthame se symfwnia me tin FORTHnet S.A. gia na dwsei dwrean grammi ston tux (kai gia osous den kseroun, ayto einai to mixanaki tou hellug). Ayti ti stigmi eimaste se prospatheia registration tou domain, kathws yparxoun kapoia nomika problimata. Elpizoume mexri telos Oktwbriou to mixanima na einai up & running. Ta stadia pou tha akolouthisoume apo dw kai pera sxetika me to mixanima einai ta eksis: a) To tmima Web (Kremmidas, Vryonis, Bolis, Barakitis) tha etoimasei kapoies arxikes selides, oi opoies an den einai oi kanonikes, prepei toulaxiston na lene kati san "Hellug.gr: Under construction". Einai stin krisi tous. Gia na pliroforisoume kai tin lista, briskontai idi se poly kalo dromo. An to mixanima einai telika etoimo mexri telos Oktwbriou, tha einai ekei kai to Magaz, teyxos 9. b) To tmima listwn-mails tha proetoimastei gia metafora. c) O Maistrelis (tmima database) exei idi etoimasei kapoia programmata - scripts ta opoia tha "aneboun" sto mixanima amesa. Tha thelame na exoume ena tmima gia anaptyksi efarmogvn - projects. Exoume kapoia pragmata ypopsin mas, an yparxoun endiaferomenoi parakaloume na steiloun mail sti lista. Milame gia C-programming basika, alla oxi kainourgia porgrammata (akoma) alla metatropi - ekseliksi palaiwn. Gia to D.S. tou Hellug Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri Oct 23 15:21:22 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:21:22 +0200 Subject: Hellug.gr Hosting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981023142122.007e8540@teemail.tee.gr> At 01:12 ?? 23/10/1998 -0000, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: >Tha thelame na exoume ena tmima gia anaptyksi efarmogvn - projects. Exoume >kapoia pragmata ypopsin mas, an yparxoun endiaferomenoi parakaloume na steiloun mail sti lista. >Milame gia C-programming basika, alla oxi kainourgia porgrammata (akoma) alla >metatropi - ekseliksi palaiwn. Endiaferon.. doste perisoteres plirofories gia afto to tmhma na katalavoume peri tinos prokite.. From mkab at forthnet.gr Fri Oct 23 17:54:04 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:54:04 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Hellug.gr Hosting In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981023142122.007e8540@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: On 23-Oct-98 Maistrelis Kostas wrote: > At 01:12 μμ 23/10/1998 -0000, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: >>Tha thelame na exoume ena tmima gia anaptyksi efarmogvn - projects. Exoume >>kapoia pragmata ypopsin mas, an yparxoun endiaferomenoi parakaloume na > steiloun mail sti lista. >>Milame gia C-programming basika, alla oxi kainourgia porgrammata (akoma) alla >>metatropi - ekseliksi palaiwn. > > Endiaferon.. doste perisoteres plirofories gia afto to > tmhma na katalavoume peri tinos prokite.. Idees, pou den tis exw syzitisei me kanenan (gia na min pareksigithoume) ara einai MONO idees. a) Mia "basi dedomenwn" me tis ruthmiseis twn megalytervn (ews kai olwn an ginetai) ISPs i opoia tha "syndeetai" me to Xisp i to Kppp (i akoma kalytera kai ta dyo) kai gia kathe ISP tha xreiazetai na epilegeis ena apo ta paketa pou exoun (dynamic, static, periorismeni ora klp) kai username & password, kai na einai etoimo gia syndesi. b) *Statically* linked ekdoseis tou XISP gia OLES tis distribution tou Linux kai me ayti ti basi mesa, outws wste na einai KATHARA "egkathistw kai syndeomai" c) c1) H Forthnet etoimazei ena systima gia auto-signup i kapws etsi, me eidiko client gia Win95/98, pou einai se mia disketoula, kai o client stelnei kapoia stoixeia stin Forthnet kai aytomata grafesai syndromitis. c2) O Aias-net EXEI idi tetoio systima. c3) Ara logika oloi oi providers tha to kanoun se ligo Synepws enas tetoios client gia Linux tha itan oti eprepe. Kai ayto bebaia statically linked kai oso pio elafry ginetai. Gia ta kai , efoson to source tou XISP einai GPL'd (Dimitri an den einai diorthose me se parakalw) den prepei na einai dyskolo, an kai den nomizw oti xreiazetai kai toso tragikes allages ston kwdika. Gia to tha prepei na milisoume me tous providers na doume AN tous endiaferei client gia linux, kai an nai, pws to ylopoioun. Ayta gia tin wra, kai ksanalew oti einai MONO idees. Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From roryt at hol.gr Fri Oct 23 15:50:57 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:50:57 +0300 Subject: Hellug.gr Hosting Message-ID: <199810231258.PAA25511@mail.hol.gr> > Tha thelame na exoume ena tmima gia anaptyksi efarmogvn - projects. Exoume > kapoia pragmata ypopsin mas, an yparxoun endiaferomenoi parakaloume na steiloun > mail sti lista. > Milame gia C-programming basika, alla oxi kainourgia porgrammata (akoma) alla > metatropi - ekseliksi palaiwn. Kati mporw na psosferw kai egw (eimai programmatistis kai exw arketh empeiria), an kai ta perithoria xronou einai sfikta :-( I.Ioannou From exindari at math.upatras.gr Sat Oct 24 11:14:03 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:14:03 +0300 Subject: Hellug.gr Hosting References: <199810231258.PAA25511@mail.hol.gr> Message-ID: <36318C4B.2A838F72@ermis.math.upatras.gr> "I.Ioannou" wrote: > > > Tha thelame na exoume ena tmima gia anaptyksi efarmogvn - projects. > Exoume > > kapoia pragmata ypopsin mas, an yparxoun endiaferomenoi parakaloume na > steiloun > > mail sti lista. > > Milame gia C-programming basika, alla oxi kainourgia porgrammata (akoma) > alla > > metatropi - ekseliksi palaiwn. > > Kati mporw na psosferw kai egw (eimai programmatistis kai exw arketh > empeiria), an kai ta perithoria xronou einai sfikta :-( > > I.Ioannou Kai egv episis mporv, kai me endiaferei, an prolabainv na syneisferv se kati Yannis From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 26 13:20:40 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:20:40 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Happening Message-ID: Pros enimerwsi sas: Steilame to akoloutho stous: RedHat, SuSE, Debian, Caldera: ---------------------------STEILAME---------------------------------- Dear Sirs, we happily inform you that HELLUG (Hellenic Linux Users Group) was founded recently. We are planning to make a happening - gathering during Christmas holidays, in order to promote Linux, having a kiosk, and giving Linux t-shirts, Linux CDs, leaflets and whatever material we might think of, in the main commercial street of Athens for Computers and computer-staff, Stournari str. You should know that Hellug currently has slightly less than 200 members, as it is quite "new", but over 1500 copies of RedHat Linux (version 5 and 5.1) alone have been sold in Athens, in 1998 Any promotion material, as the ones mentioned above, that you could possibly sent us, would be grately appreciated... You can contact the board of hellug, in the address hellug-ds at mk.aua.gr Thank you in advance... Chairman of Hellug -------------------------STEILAME---------------------------------------- Para to oti ta Agglika mou einai psiloaparadekta, exoun arxisei idi na mas apantane: ---------------------------LABAME------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:07:56 -0600 From: Wilson Lee To: mkabrian at acropolis.net Subject: HELLUG Cc: hellug-ds at mk.aua.gr, mkab at forthnet.gr Michalis, hello and thanks for contacting Caldera Systems regarding the aforementioned opportunity. Caldera Systems would be glad to send some promotional materials for the event. We would even like to promote the event on our website. If you have details of the event (time, place, location(s), description of event, title, and logo), Caldera would like to place it online. Please provide a shipping address to send promotional materials to and an estimate of how many will be attending. Again, thanks for considering Caldera Systems in this event and I look forward to hearing from you soon. Wilson Lee Caldera Systems ----------------------------LABAME------------------------------------ Kai bebaia, enw perimenoyme apo allous na mas apantisoyn, stelnoume to eksis: ----------------------------THA STEILOUME---------------------------- Wilson, thanks a lot for your responce and support. Promoting the event through your web site would be great for us, so I send you all the information we have until now, and some more will follow shortly. We will also send you photos of the gathering, but this will obviously be after the happening. The happening will take place in Stournari str. in Athens, which is the "place to be" for Computer geeks in Greece, on Saturday ?????th of December 1998 (or Sunday ????th if it's raining on Saturday). Hellug members will be there from 10.00 in the morning, until 15.00, when the shops close. There will be a kiosk with approximately 5-10 members of HELLUG who will offer CDs and leaflets, as well as information about Linux. We hope we will be able to get a Santa Claus for that day (one of us dressed up, that is) There will also be a penguin there (which is a very promising project).... There are two pages, describing the process of the penguin construction. They might be greek to you (and in fact they are) but, to make a long story short, the idea is, that this penguin is hand made (the Linux way) by paper soaked in water and glue (a environment-friendly/recycled penguin), it is going to be about 1.40 m height (two pieces, for carrying it with car without problems). The penguin project is called "Gin Tonic", firstly because the creators (Voula and Evripidis) like this drink and, secondly, because everything must have a name. This penguin is going to be the living proof of the Linux superiority :-) First page: http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/penguin_construction.html Second page: http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/penguin_constr2.html New page to be released this week with news from this effort. You can take the pictures of the penguin from these pages. The happening will also be promoted from the web-server of Hellug (http://www.hellug.gr) when this web-server is online (by the end of October), and the main moto will be "Penguins in Greece" (actually, the only place you may see penguins in Greece would be the zoo, as Greece is a quite sunny country, so we thought it would cause at least curiosity). We expect more or less 100 linuxers to come, but the point is that over 2000 people ready to buy hardware/software will be there that day, as it's the "Christmas-presents-period". So the giveaway of Linux CDs, along with the informational leaflet we have made (explaining why linux is free) will really make a point. The address that you can send your promotional material is Evripidis Papakostas 10 Roumelis Str. Agia Paraskevi 15341 Athens GREECE which is the official address of our LUG. I'ld like to thank you once again on behalf of Hellug Chairman of Hellug ----------------------------------THA STEILOUME------------------------- Opws blepete, den exoume symplirosei tin imerominia, gia na doume poia mas bolevei. Perimenoume idees-protaseis, alla an ginetai parakalw simera, gia na steiloume syntoma to mail kai na prolabei na erthei to diafimistiko yliko ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr Mon Oct 26 12:27:11 1998 From: nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr (Kaminakis Nikos) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:27:11 +0200 (EET) Subject: Happening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Opws blepete, den exoume symplirosei tin imerominia, gia na doume poia mas > bolevei. Perimenoume idees-protaseis, alla an ginetai parakalw simera, gia na > steiloume syntoma to mail kai na prolabei na erthei to diafimistiko yliko > hhhhmmmmm paraskeuh einai xristougenna, opws kai prwtoxronia ara ta savvata kai oi kyriakes den einai kalh idea.... h pio kalh isws mera einai pempth, h' tetarth... e3alou ta magazia 0a einai anoikta, logw giortwn... kai oso na'nai a yparxei kosmos .... egw 0a protimousa thn tetarth meta ta xristougenna.... ena wraio dwro gia prwtoxronia 0a mporouse na einai ena mplouzaki apo to hellug kai mia syloggh apo linux programmata erwthsh: poso peripou 0a einai h tmh pwlhshs ths mplouzas kai ta cd's 0a einai se setakia ?? h' apla ena ena ???????? kai ti timh 0a exei to ka0ena ??? > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > FORTHnet Technical Department > mkab at forthnet.gr > ----------------------------- > nikolas From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 26 12:54:19 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:54:19 +0200 Subject: Happening References: Message-ID: <363454DB.27DB7AAC@ametro.gr> > hhhhmmmmm paraskeuh einai xristougenna, opws kai prwtoxronia > ara ta savvata kai oi kyriakes den einai kalh idea.... kai omos, oloi oi ergazomenoi (mallon aftoi einai oi polloi) mono savatto katevainoun na xazepsoun. Kyriaki etsi ki alloios i Stournari kleinei. > h pio kalh isws mera einai pempth, h' tetarth... Lypamai alla ligoi tha boroun na einai ekei logo douleias (oute san episkeptis oute san simmetexontas). > egw 0a protimousa thn tetarth meta ta xristougenna.... diladi 30 Dek. Nomizo pos oi perissoteroi thanai se diakopes metaksi xristougenon kai protoxronias. An p.x. kapoios (kai apo mas) exei parei adeia (apo tin elaxisti tou) den nomizo na dexthei na sterithei tis xristougeniatikes diakopes tou sto parnasso, pilio, ... gia volta sti stournari. H idea einai i eksis: stis 12 Dekemvri i stis 19 einai Savatto, einai prin ta Xristougenna, o kosmos den doulevei, adeia den exoun parei akoma logika poloi anthropoi kai einai periodos eorton. Kai oi foitites mas kai oi ergazomenoi boroun na einai sto happening. Kai apo atoma pou pernan apo stournari to savatto einai idaniko. E. From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 26 14:46:35 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:46:35 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Happening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26-Oct-98 Kaminakis Nikos wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > >> Opws blepete, den exoume symplirosei tin imerominia, gia na doume poia mas >> bolevei. Perimenoume idees-protaseis, alla an ginetai parakalw simera, gia >> na >> steiloume syntoma to mail kai na prolabei na erthei to diafimistiko yliko >> > hhhhmmmmm paraskeuh einai xristougenna, opws kai prwtoxronia > ara ta savvata kai oi kyriakes den einai kalh idea.... To Sabbato PRIN ta Xristougenna omws? > h pio kalh isws mera einai pempth, h' tetarth... > e3alou ta magazia 0a einai anoikta, logw giortwn... > kai oso na'nai a yparxei kosmos .... Kosmos tha yparxei, emeis den tha yparxoume. Doulevoume kiolas :-) > egw 0a protimousa thn tetarth meta ta xristougenna.... > ena wraio dwro gia prwtoxronia 0a mporouse na einai ena > mplouzaki apo to hellug kai mia syloggh apo linux programmata > erwthsh: poso peripou 0a einai h tmh pwlhshs ths mplouzas kai ta cd's > 0a einai se setakia ?? h' apla ena ena ???????? kai ti timh 0a exei to > ka0ena ??? > H mplouza tha einai gyrw sta 2-2,5 xiliarika me stamba tou Linux epanw. Eimaste se epafes gia times. Ta CD tha einai ena-ena kai mono me to leitourgiko (dwrean ayta) > nikolas ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr Mon Oct 26 12:55:56 1998 From: nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr (Kaminakis Nikos) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:55:56 +0200 (EET) Subject: Happening In-Reply-To: <363454DB.27DB7AAC@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > hhhhmmmmm paraskeuh einai xristougenna, opws kai prwtoxronia > > ara ta savvata kai oi kyriakes den einai kalh idea.... > kai omos, oloi oi ergazomenoi (mallon aftoi einai oi polloi) mono > savatto katevainoun na xazepsoun. Kyriaki etsi ki alloios i Stournari > kleinei. > > > > h pio kalh isws mera einai pempth, h' tetarth... > Lypamai alla ligoi tha boroun na einai ekei logo douleias (oute san > episkeptis oute san simmetexontas). > > > egw 0a protimousa thn tetarth meta ta xristougenna.... > diladi 30 Dek. Nomizo pos oi perissoteroi thanai se diakopes metaksi > xristougenon kai protoxronias. An p.x. kapoios (kai apo mas) exei parei > adeia (apo tin elaxisti tou) den nomizo na dexthei na sterithei tis > xristougeniatikes diakopes tou sto parnasso, pilio, ... gia volta sti > stournari. > > H idea einai i eksis: stis 12 Dekemvri i stis 19 einai Savatto, einai > prin ta Xristougenna, o kosmos den doulevei, adeia den exoun parei akoma > logika poloi anthropoi kai einai periodos eorton. Kai oi foitites mas > kai oi ergazomenoi boroun na einai sto happening. Kai apo atoma pou > pernan apo stournari to savatto einai idaniko. > > E. > ooppsssss nomiza oti o mhxalhs milouse gia mesa stis giortes ... eeemm otsey...arketa kales hmeromhnies:)) nikolas From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Mon Oct 26 13:24:21 1998 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:24:21 +0200 (EET) Subject: Kalnmera... Message-ID: <19981026112421.6525.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> Estw kai ka0usternmeva, kalnmerizw ta meln tou HELLUG sav official pia melos tns listas :) -- Georgios E. Keramidas (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Linux-spirit." From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 26 13:47:18 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:47:18 +0200 Subject: Kalnmera... References: <19981026112421.6525.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <36346146.AFB3341A@ametro.gr> keramida at ceid.upatras.gr wrote: > > Estw kai ka0usternmeva, kalnmerizw ta meln tou HELLUG sav official pia > melos tns listas :) > > -- > Georgios E. Keramidas (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) > "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Linux-spirit." re, toso kairo alithia DEN isouna sti lista!!!!!!!!???? From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Oct 26 14:01:29 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:01:29 +0200 Subject: Happening References: Message-ID: <36346499.D22E9D2E@ametro.gr> Voula kai Evris leme Stournari= 19 Dek. E. From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Oct 26 15:57:58 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:57:58 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Happening In-Reply-To: <36346499.D22E9D2E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 26-Oct-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > Voula kai Evris leme Stournari= 19 Dek. > > > E. Symfwnw ki egw gia 19 Dekembri. Sygnommi pou den perimenw gia alles apopseis, alla pragmatika epeigomai na steilw to mail gia na prolabei na mas erthei to diafimistiko yliko (kanei peripou 20 meres se periodous MI eortwn, kai me tis apergies twn ELTA kathe tetoia epoxi, den mporeis na exeis empistosyni) ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From kremidas at lrf.gr Mon Oct 26 15:56:21 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:56:21 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-7?Q?=D0=F1=FC=E2=EB=E7=EC=E1=F4=E1_=EC=E5_=F4=EF_Slackware_3.5?= Message-ID: <199810262159.NAA24521@www.lrf.gr> Καλημέρα σε όλους, Έχω ένα μικρό προβληματάκι με ένα SCSI controller. Έχω τον Adaptec 1520 (στα BIOS μυνήματα εμφανίζει το Adaptec 1520B/1522B 16KB Bios v1.15) o οποίος ήρθε μαζί με το Matsusite CD-R( scsi ID 6). Πάνω σε αυτόν τον controller είναι και ένα ακόμα CDROM 12x (scsi Id 2). Έχω το Slackware 3.5 και δοκίμασα την boot δισκέττα με τον aha152x.s. Δεν τον εμφανίζει καν (scsi: 0 hosts found) και το ίδιο συμβαίνει και όταν βάλω τον scsinet.s . H υπόλοιπη σύνθεση του μηχανήματος είναι Intel Atlanta Al440LX motherboard+sound, 64MB Ram , Quantum Fireball 5.1G (Secondary Master), WD3200(Primary Master), 3Com Etherlink III Isa. Τελικά αναγκάστικα και τράβηξα σε σκληρό τα sources και το εγκατέστησα από τον σκληρό αλλά εξακολουθώ να μην βλέπω τα SCSI CD-Rom. Any ideas ?? Ευχαριστώ προκαταβολικά, Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Mon Oct 26 14:09:48 1998 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:09:48 +0200 (EET) Subject: Kalnmera... In-Reply-To: <36346146.AFB3341A@ametro.gr> from "Evripidis Papakostas" at Oct 26, 98 01:47:18 pm Message-ID: <19981026120948.7009.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> % keramida at ceid.upatras.gr wrote: % > % > Estw kai ka0usternmeva, kalnmerizw ta meln tou HELLUG sav official pia % > melos tns listas :) % % re, toso kairo alithia DEN isouna sti lista!!!!!!!!???? epeidn eivai o fotis kai mpaino ston logariasmo tou taktika :) [me tnv adeia tou kai me to nomo] ta diabaza apo 'kei ta mails. alla epeidn einai aparadekto na stelno mails mono meso tou gef@ eipa na gino ki ego episima melos tou hellug at argeas... -- Georgios E. Keramidas (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Linux-spirit." From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Mon Oct 26 14:41:09 1998 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:41:09 +0200 (EET) Subject: (ellnviko subject papala) In-Reply-To: <199810262159.NAA24521@www.lrf.gr> from "KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS" at Oct 26, 98 01:56:21 pm Message-ID: <19981026124109.7412.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> Ego pavtos pou epsaksa sto WHICH.ONE arxeio tou slackware [ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/bootdsks.144/WHICH.ONE] dev mporesa va brw to Matsushita CD-ROM se kaveva SCSI controller, alla movo sto `sbpcd.i' (Sound-Blaster Proprietary CD snmaivei to ovoma). Twra gia tov SCSI controller, giati dev dokimazeis me tnv startup disk kavevos allou distribution, giati to Slackware mevei olo kai pio pisw twra teleutaia; Av dev mporeis va breis image apo allo distribution (px. kava RedHat, SuSE ;n Debian) sou stelvo ego ama 0eleis to image :) /giorgos -- "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Linux-spirit." From theodore at eexi.gr Tue Oct 27 10:15:57 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:15:57 +0200 Subject: Banner gia to happening. Message-ID: <3635813D.3FB58877@eexi.gr> Eftiaksa ena, 80cmX150cm. Episynapto thumbnail. Yparxei se fysiko megethos (1.1MB) sto http://linux.airtour.gr/photos/LinuxPowerBanner.gif (den synistatai gia anypomonous.. :-)). Tha akolouthisoun ki alla. T. -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Zitw sygnomi ek twn proterwn, alla tha tirithei seira proteraiotitas (FIFO :-)) Etsi, an 2 atoma zitisoun to idio alias, tha to parei o prwtos pou to zitise. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Oct 27 12:52:32 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:52:32 +0200 Subject: eftase kai i sfragis Message-ID: <3635A5F0.40972D49@ametro.gr> isa gia na to kserete pos pleon tha sfragizoume maniodos ta panta. omorfi einai. 4.000 drx. tha tin parei o Vryonis (grammateas). E. From sbolis at usa.net Wed Oct 28 16:37:58 1998 From: sbolis at usa.net (Spiros Bolis) Date: 28 Oct 98 07:37:58 MST Subject: Organwsh gia thn ekdhlwsh Message-ID: <19981028143758.20097.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Paides xairetw, prin apo ligo hmoyn me ton Evripidh kai th Boyla kai telospantwn syzhthsame kana-dyo pragmata poy moy katevhkan sto kefali. Sygkekrimmena: Yparxoyn aytokollhtes etikettes gia CDia poy boroyn na typwthoyn se ektypwth kai efarmosoyn akribws sta diskakia. Emfanisiaka einai omorfa (toylaxiston kalytera apo to na grafoyme me markadoro sto xeri) kai h timh toys logikh (brhka persines times poy eixa agorasei: 4100 drx /100 kommatia poy kanoyn gia 2 CDia). Pisteyw pws a3izei ena e3odo ths ta3hs twn 20 drx / CD parapanw afoy to CD kostizei gyrw sta 4 katostarika. Mallon ayth th bdomada tha paw na agorasw diskakia gia mena, opote borw na parw kai etikettes (an bebaia den 3erei kaneis allos fthnotera) Oso afora to allo : yparxei kaneis me patera,mhtera, theio,theia h gnwsto toy prwhn ypopshfio wste na "apalotriwsoyme" kanena kioski apo ayta poy gemisan ton kosmo stis ekloges? An to paroyme kai to bapsoyme sta xrwmata toy syllogoy kai kollhsoyme kana pigkoyino tha einai "prwth moyrh" gia thn ekdhlwsh alla kai gia kathe allh mellontikh . Perimenw ta sxolia sas, Spiros Bolis ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Oct 29 09:03:12 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:03:12 +0200 Subject: Organwsh gia thn ekdhlwsh References: <19981028143758.20097.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <36381330.8FB664E8@ametro.gr> > Sygkekrimmena: Yparxoyn aytokollhtes etikettes gia CDia poy boroyn > na > typwthoyn se ektypwth kai efarmosoyn akribws sta diskakia. Emfanisiaka > einai > omorfa (toylaxiston kalytera apo to na grafoyme me markadoro sto xeri) > kai h > timh toys logikh (brhka persines times poy eixa agorasei: 4100 drx > /100 > kommatia poy kanoyn gia 2 CDia). Pisteyw pws a3izei ena e3odo ths > ta3hs twn 20 > drx / CD parapanw afoy to CD kostizei gyrw sta 4 katostarika. kai ti tha grapsoume ekei? poios tha ta tiposei? posa rh, slackware, openlinux, SuSE tabelakia tha ftiakseis? exeis apo ola to apekso na to scanareis? tha tous pareis olous tilefono na rotiseis posa apo ti exei o kathenas ? ego leo pos einai vavoura megali. Kai den voithaei kai idiaitera apo thema aisthitikis. > An to paroyme kai to bapsoyme sta > xrwmata toy > syllogoy kai kollhsoyme kana pigkoyino tha einai "prwth moyrh" gia thn > ekdhlwsh alla kai gia kathe allh mellontikh . Nai ontos tha einai oraio (oxi gia tin ekdilosi opos to skeftomai) kai tha mou arese kai emena (na to kanei kapoios allos) kai na sinenoithei kai me dimous/magazia/astynomies tis Stournari giati kati tetoio tha kopsei olo to pezodromio kai kapoies vitrines. Kai me kapoio tropo na lisei kai to provlima apothikefsis, metaforas tou. Ego pantos sigoura den boro na simmetexo. ...Spyro, esy mia kai to protineis boreis na to analaveis? Kata ta alla, an den yparksei antapokrisi gia to parapano, emeis boroume na feroume ena mikro diakritiko pagko/trapezi. E. From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Thu Oct 29 11:21:13 1998 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:21:13 +0200 (EET) Subject: Organwsh gia thn ekdhlwsh In-Reply-To: <36381330.8FB664E8@ametro.gr> from "Evripidis Papakostas" at Oct 29, 98 09:03:12 am Message-ID: <19981029092113.29779.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> % Kata ta alla, an den yparksei antapokrisi gia to parapano, emeis boroume % na feroume ena mikro diakritiko pagko/trapezi. Emeva pavtws mou aresei kapws n diakritikotnta :) Eivai pou o kosmos exei prosfates tis ekloges kai mporei to *stand* va tou thumisei kapoious pou olo `tha, tha' leve kai va mnv mas parouv sobara :) Anyway, av ovtws uparxei tropos va suvvevon0oume me tous magazatores tns Stourvarn, tous astuvomikous, ktl. egw dev exw avtirrnsn. !keramida From Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr Thu Oct 29 12:15:40 1998 From: Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr (Antonios A. Kavarnos) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:15:40 +0200 (EET) Subject: Organwsh gia thn ekdhlwsh In-Reply-To: <19981029092113.29779.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> from "keramida@ceid.upatras.gr" at "Oct 29, 98 11:21:13 am" Message-ID: <199810291015.MAA14129@hpc.ntua.gr> > % Kata ta alla, an den yparksei antapokrisi gia to parapano, emeis boroume > % na feroume ena mikro diakritiko pagko/trapezi. > > Emeva pavtws mou aresei kapws n diakritikotnta :) > Eivai pou o kosmos exei prosfates tis ekloges kai mporei to > *stand* va tou thumisei kapoious pou olo `tha, tha' leve > kai va mnv mas parouv sobara :) > > Anyway, av ovtws uparxei tropos va suvvevon0oume me tous > magazatores tns Stourvarn, tous astuvomikous, ktl. egw > dev exw avtirrnsn. Pantvs na mpei to stand mprosta apo bitrines, de nomizv na yparxei problhma oyte anagkh. Mporei na mpei sto pezodromio toy polytexneioy. Bye, Antonis -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Antonios Kavarnos (Antonios.Kavarnos at hpc.ntua.gr) National Technical University of Athens ...born to live =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr Thu Oct 29 14:41:47 1998 From: nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr (Kaminakis Nikos) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:41:47 +0200 (EET) Subject: sxetiko me ta archives... Message-ID: eeemmm elega dhladh ama einai eukolo na ginei kapoio sorting twn mails ,sta archives, ana mhna..... kai oxi xyma opws einai twra.... voleuei para poly auto, se periptwsh pou kapoios exei svhsei kapoio mail kai 0elei na to 3anadei h' 0elei na dei kati pou grafthke prin apo 2,3,4 vdomades.... kati tetoio mporei na ginei ??? euxaristw... nikolas p.s: 0a mporouse kapoios na mou sthlei se proswpiko mail ton ari0mo logariasmou ths pistews?? From mkab at forthnet.gr Thu Oct 29 19:06:02 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0000 (GMT) Subject: hellug.gr Message-ID: Kyries kai kyrioi, pleon to hellug.gr yfistatai san domain. Mporeite pleon me oli sas tin anesi na kanete ena wraio: http://www.hellug.gr apo ton agapimeno sas browser :-) Gia to D.S. Michalis Kabrianis mkabrian at acropolis.gr From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Oct 30 12:43:54 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:43:54 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Congratulations!] Message-ID: <3639986A.C27D5F95@ametro.gr> na kai mia poli oraia prosfora (opou parolo pou allakse o admin, i EEXI dilonei pali tin prothesi tis na mas stiriksei me kathe tropo). Alloste adelfa sommateia eimaste, me pano kato koinous stoxous kai tropous kalipseis tous. Pros to paron den boroume na tin ekmetaleftoume giati exoume idi stisei to mixanima kai giati exoun ginei pleon oi douleies, desmevseis klp kai den theloume na fanoume anaksiopistoi kai na ekthesoume kai ton michali pou ekane tis sinenoiseis kai katafere na bei o server mas sto forthnet. pantos an iparxoun idees gia to ti tha borousame na valoume stin EEXI (esto oti ipirxe kai deftero p.x. mixanima, listes, ftps, mirrors, development), i gia apo koinou diorganosi seminarion (se xorous EEXI, dikoi mas eisigites, xamili timi) i otidipote, peite kammia idea. Einai krima na iparxoun anthropoi na theloun na mas voithisoun, na xreiazomaste genika poli voitheia, kai na min iparxei tropos na tin paroume (kati san tis koinotikes epixorigiseis kai tin mideniki aporofisi tous apo tritokosmikous). E. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Dimitris Bougoulias Subject: Congratulations! Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:02:58 +0200 Size: 2197 URL: From bcostas at hol.gr Sat Oct 31 03:51:18 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:51:18 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Congratulations!] References: <3639986A.C27D5F95@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <363A6D16.6A18ED0@hol.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > na kai mia poli oraia prosfora (opou parolo pou allakse o admin, i EEXI > dilonei pali tin prothesi tis na mas stiriksei me kathe tropo). > > Alloste adelfa sommateia eimaste, me pano kato koinous stoxous kai > tropous kalipseis tous. > > Pros to paron den boroume na tin ekmetaleftoume giati exoume idi stisei > to mixanima kai giati exoun ginei pleon oi douleies, desmevseis klp kai > den theloume na fanoume anaksiopistoi kai na ekthesoume kai ton michali > pou ekane tis sinenoiseis kai katafere na bei o server mas sto forthnet. > > pantos an iparxoun idees gia to ti tha borousame na valoume stin EEXI > (esto oti ipirxe kai deftero p.x. mixanima, listes, ftps, mirrors, > development), i gia apo koinou diorganosi seminarion (se xorous EEXI, > dikoi mas eisigites, xamili timi) i otidipote, peite kammia idea. > > Einai krima na iparxoun anthropoi na theloun na mas voithisoun, na > xreiazomaste genika poli voitheia, kai na min iparxei tropos na tin > paroume (kati san tis koinotikes epixorigiseis kai tin mideniki > aporofisi tous apo tritokosmikous). Poyli, poyli vraia. To 6ema omws einai oti gia na apofasisoyme ti 6a valoume sthn EEXI prepei prwta na ksemperdevoyme me ta dika mas 6emata. Ayto poy eipes peri ai6oyswn kai seminariwn emena poly me arese, giati eixe syzhth6ei kai paliotera kai nomizw oti einai mesa stis skepseis toy Hellug. Mhpws omws den prepei na viastoyme? Ektimoyme kai poly malista thn prosfora toy filoy, alla sthn paroysa fash _proswpika_ den vlepw ti 6a mporoysame na sthsoyme sthn EEXI, ase poy den exoyme kai spare mhxanhma. Pantws to oti prosfer6hke einai eygeniko apo meroys toy. Filika, Costas Barakitis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Oct 30 21:21:37 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:21:37 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Congratulations!] References: <3639986A.C27D5F95@ametro.gr> <363A6D16.6A18ED0@hol.gr> Message-ID: <363A11C1.6CC5AB2D@ametro.gr> > Poyli, poyli vraia. To 6ema omws einai oti gia na apofasisoyme ti 6a valoume > sthn EEXI prepei prwta na ksemperdevoyme me ta dika mas 6emata. Ayto poy eipes > peri ai6oyswn kai seminariwn emena poly me arese, giati eixe syzhth6ei kai > paliotera kai nomizw oti einai mesa stis skepseis toy Hellug. Mhpws omws den > prepei na viastoyme? opote noithoume etoimoi. den piezomaste. alloste akoma mallon gia na mas kanoun seminaria eimaste para na kanoume. san skepsi pantos einai mia xara (i EEXI einai akrivos o sostos symmaxos se tetoies prospatheies). From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sun Nov 1 23:10:47 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 23:10:47 +0200 Subject: CDs pros to paron Message-ID: <363CCE57.F2F17BAB@ametro.gr> gia na kseroume ti exoume: afti ti stigmi exoume ta eksis apo cds: suse 5.2 19 rh5.1 3 rh5.0 2 rh4.2 1 rh4.0 2 debian gnu 1.2 2 slackware 96 v.2 2 openLinux 1.2 3 --------------------- synolika 34 tria tessera akoma einai sta xeria afton pou piran "mitres" gia antigrages. anamenoume paketa CDs apo Boli, Maistreli, merika apo ton Kremmida kai exei dilosei epithimia gia antigrafes kai o Kavarnos. to input pou mexri tora exo einai : apo emena kammia 20 (15 pou ekopsa + 5 palia), kana 5ari o Kabrianis (palia), 9 pou ekopse o Kleanthis, kai kana dio tria akoma pou kapoioi dorisan (kai den thimamai poioi, signomi!!) an kapoios exei CDs ( i filo tou me CDs) pou den xreiazetai as mas ta dosei. i na ta ferei tin imera tis sinaksis i na mas sinantisei, gia na ta exoume prin kai na boroume na kseroume apo prin gia ti ogo milame kai na ipologisoume an xreiazetai na kopsoume kai alla. distixos (gia ofthalmofaneis logous) den boroume na sinantame ton kathena kathimerina se oudetera simeia (athina, douleia tou klp) kai ores pou ton volevoun. etsi an ginetai, gia diefkolinsi mas tha epithimousame sinantisi tetoiou tipou na ginei spiti mas ag. paraskevi, i kapoioi metaksi tous na eidothoun kai na mas sinantisei enas na mas dosei ta cd olon. E. From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Nov 2 16:06:48 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:06:48 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Aliases Message-ID: Gia eykolia twn melwn mas, yparxoun kai leitourgoun ta eksis aliases: board: To Dioikitiko symboulio (gia dimosies sxeseis) chairman: O ekastote proedros chairman2: O ekastote antiproedros secretary: O ekastote grammateas finance: O ekastote tamias inspector: O ekastote eforos admin, sysadm, root: O administrator tou mixanimatos webmaster: H omada Web wwwtux: O epikefalis tis omadas web postmaster: O ypeythynos tou mail-server info: O proedros, o antiproedros kai o grammateas, gia genikes plirofories, dimosies sxeseis. admissions: O grammateas kai o tamias, gia syndromes. security: Oloi osoi exoun local account :-) dbadm: O database administrator listman: O ypeythynos gia tis mailing lists. Parakaloume na xrisimopoieite ayta ta aliases, gia sygkekrimena themata, outws wste na krateitai eykola kapoio arxeio, kai na doulevei to filtering se osous pairnoun ayta ta mails :-) Michalis Kabrianis chairman at hellug.gr From theodore at eexi.gr Mon Nov 2 14:18:58 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:18:58 +0200 Subject: Arthro toy Eric Raymond pano se document ths MS. Message-ID: <363DA332.8908A486@eexi.gr> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html Endiaferon. T. -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= =====================_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== From bcostas at hol.gr Tue Nov 3 00:24:32 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:24:32 -0800 Subject: Aliases References: Message-ID: <363E3120.748E16C9@hol.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Gia eykolia twn melwn mas, yparxoun kai leitourgoun ta eksis aliases: > > board: To Dioikitiko symboulio (gia dimosies sxeseis) > chairman: O ekastote proedros > chairman2: O ekastote antiproedros > secretary: O ekastote grammateas > finance: O ekastote tamias > inspector: O ekastote eforos > admin, sysadm, root: O administrator tou mixanimatos > webmaster: H omada Web > wwwtux: O epikefalis tis omadas web > postmaster: O ypeythynos tou mail-server > info: O proedros, o antiproedros kai o grammateas, > gia genikes plirofories, dimosies sxeseis. > admissions: O grammateas kai o tamias, gia syndromes. > security: Oloi osoi exoun local account :-) > dbadm: O database administrator > listman: O ypeythynos gia tis mailing lists. > > Parakaloume na xrisimopoieite ayta ta aliases, gia sygkekrimena themata, outws > wste na krateitai eykola kapoio arxeio, kai na doulevei to filtering se osous > pairnoun ayta ta mails :-) > > Michalis Kabrianis > chairman at hellug.gr Pw pw vre Mixali, poly mas koyrazeis :-)) From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Nov 2 18:42:04 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 16:42:04 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Magaz #9 Message-ID: Sas pliroforoume oti einai etoimo to 9o teyxos tou Magaz kai sas perimenei sto synithes simeio (http://www.linux.gr/magaz). Episis, mporeite na to breite kai sto http://magaz.hellug.gr (Proswrina dokimastiko. An parousiastoun otidipote problimata, parakalw steilte ta sto admin at hellug.gr) ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From tsakf at matrix.kapatel.gr Mon Nov 2 22:01:32 1998 From: tsakf at matrix.kapatel.gr (K.Tsakaloglou) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:01:32 +0200 Subject: CDs pros to paron Message-ID: <01be069b$969690e0$0f02000a@Tsakf.kapatel.gr> -----Original Message----- From: Evripidis Papakostas To: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr Date: Κυριακή, 1 Νοεμβρίου 1998 11:15 μμ Subject: CDs pros to paron >gia na kseroume ti exoume: > >afti ti stigmi exoume ta eksis apo cds: >suse 5.2 19 >rh5.1 3 >rh5.0 2 >rh4.2 1 >rh4.0 2 >debian gnu 1.2 2 >slackware 96 v.2 2 >openLinux 1.2 3 >--------------------- >synolika 34 > >tria tessera akoma einai sta xeria afton pou piran "mitres" gia >antigrages. >anamenoume paketa CDs apo Boli, Maistreli, merika apo ton Kremmida kai >exei dilosei epithimia gia antigrafes kai o Kavarnos. > >to input pou mexri tora exo einai : apo emena kammia 20 (15 pou ekopsa + >5 palia), kana 5ari o Kabrianis (palia), 9 pou ekopse o Kleanthis, kai >kana dio tria akoma pou kapoioi dorisan (kai den thimamai poioi, >signomi!!) > >an kapoios exei CDs ( i filo tou me CDs) pou den xreiazetai as mas ta >dosei. i na ta ferei tin imera tis sinaksis i na mas sinantisei, gia na >ta exoume prin kai na boroume na kseroume apo prin gia ti ogo milame kai >na ipologisoume an xreiazetai na kopsoume kai alla. > >distixos (gia ofthalmofaneis logous) den boroume na sinantame ton >kathena kathimerina se oudetera simeia (athina, douleia tou klp) kai >ores pou ton volevoun. etsi an ginetai, gia diefkolinsi mas tha >epithimousame sinantisi tetoiou tipou na ginei spiti mas ag. paraskevi, >i kapoioi metaksi tous na eidothoun kai na mas sinantisei enas na mas >dosei ta cd olon. > > >E. > OK exo kai ego to Linux Slackware 3.4 November 97. Den exo CD-Writer gia antigrafh. Ta daneizo omvs gia na antigrafoyn. Enhmeroste me gia th nea synanthsh K. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Nov 2 22:04:42 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 22:04:42 +0200 Subject: CDs pros to paron References: <01be069b$969690e0$0f02000a@Tsakf.kapatel.gr> Message-ID: <363E105A.D54EA75@ametro.gr> > OK exo kai ego to Linux Slackware 3.4 November 97. Den exo CD-Writer gia > antigrafh. Ta daneizo omvs gia na antigrafoyn. Enhmeroste me gia th nea > synanthsh ta xarizeis omos? eeee? > K. From tsakf at matrix.kapatel.gr Tue Nov 3 05:41:58 1998 From: tsakf at matrix.kapatel.gr (K.Tsakaloglou) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 05:41:58 +0200 Subject: CDs pros to paron Message-ID: <01be06db$e8cb61c0$0f02000a@Tsakf.kapatel.gr> >ta xarizeis omos? eeee? > >> K. > Epeidh ta exo kopsei timologia gia mena, kalo ua einai an h eforia kanei elegxo na ta brei. An uelete xarisma na pao na agoraso alla me lianikh kai na ta xariso. From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Fri Nov 6 16:19:53 1998 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Keramidas Giorgos) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:19:53 +0200 (EET DST) Subject: Pws sas faivetai n idea? Message-ID: Loipov, epeidn to paragwgiko mou mualo otav to ksekourazo ligo apo ton programmatismo gennaei pragmatika omorfa pragmata, akouste ti skeftnka xtes metaju twv kefalaiwv II kai III tou "Lord of the Rings" (Tolkien bebaia): Epeidn twra teleutaia skeftomai va parw disko gia to mnxavnma pou exw spiti mou, kati se 4-5 Gb gia arxn kala eivai, 0a mou meivei evas diskos tou evos Gb sto "rafi". Eivai krima omws evas tetoios diskos (WDC1000) va meivei se kapoio rafi kai va mazeuei skoves. Opote 0a tou stnsw eva Linux me polla kaloudia (skefteite movo ti ari0mos programmatwv xwraei se 1 Gb), kai meta 0a kavw kata surronv kai aprokalupta daveismous tou diskou, se opoiov thelei va dei pws eivai to Linux egkatestnmevo. Pairveis tov disko, tov bazeis secondary-master, kai me etoimn diskettoula bootareis eva etoimo, stnmevo, configurarismevo Linux sustnma. Se osous biazovtai kai 0a pouv "ma kala to LIVE-FILESYSTEM dev sou kavei apo eva CD tns Suse, px." apavtw apo twra. Eivai allo pragma va ftiaxveis partition sto disko, ramdisk, n otidnpote allo, kai va exeis read-only access se olo to root filesystem sou, ki allo pragma va exeis eva pragmatiko sustnma, pou mporeis va grapseis sta config-arxeia tou, va swseis tis allages kai gia mia bdomada pou 0a dokimazeis to kaivourio paixvidi va kratas ta settings sou swsta... Epeidn de, pavta mou arese n idea tou "Otidnpote Project" lew auto va to ovomasw apo snmera "Linux-Now Project". Evvoeitai oti opoios exei oreksn kai palious (mikrous) diskous pou mallov skovn 0a mazeuouv apo 'dw kai pera, euprosdektos stnv parea... Pws sas faivetai to olo egxeirnma? -- Georgios E. Keramidas (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Linux-spirit." From exindari at math.upatras.gr Sat Nov 7 01:54:36 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 01:54:36 +0200 Subject: Pws sas faivetai n idea? References: Message-ID: <36438C3C.86C4565B@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Keramidas Giorgos wrote: > > Loipov, epeidn to paragwgiko mou mualo otav to ksekourazo ligo apo ton > programmatismo gennaei pragmatika omorfa pragmata, akouste ti skeftnka > xtes metaju twv kefalaiwv II kai III tou "Lord of the Rings" (Tolkien > bebaia): Kalh Idea alla me ton agaphmeno moy Tolkien poy kollaei?? Ektos an anaferesai ston Lord of the Rings (II kai III ) ta opoia einai kai ta mona poy den exv diabasei akoma. Meta apo to shock toy I poy epatha to kalokairi tha arxisv to II mallon ta Xristougenna. Yannis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sat Nov 7 16:36:44 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:36:44 +0200 Subject: HARD DISK kai STEP computers Message-ID: <36445AFC.56A1A40F@ametro.gr> Loipon, molis prin ligo paralavame apo ton Giorgo Papamixelaki tis Step computers (pou einai kai Local SuSE Representative) dorea ena disko Western Digital 24300 (4.5 Gb) gia to HELLUG. Etsi leigei dia pantos to thema xorou. O Giorgos episis tha graftei (i idi graftike) stis listes tou linux (kai tin hellug) kai isos kai na prolavei na dei kai to minima afto. Efxaristoume loipon. Evripidis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sat Nov 7 16:43:08 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:43:08 +0200 Subject: SuSE 5.3 demo CDs Message-ID: <36445C7C.AB2F588B@ametro.gr> molis prin ligo episis me tin Voula kai ton Photi paralavame se dio terastia xartokouta 200 demo CDs SuSE 5.3 (me ta eksofilla tous), antistoixa (kai perisssotera) enimerotika filladia, kai merika mikra posters. Gia tin prospatheia afti, ektos apo tous eaftous mas eidika efxaristoume perissotero ton Photi (pou episkefthike tin SuSE stin germania) kai tin Step computers pou episis milise gia to happening stin SuSE. Gia to logo afto pano sta SuSE demo CDs tha valoume ena mikro aftokollitaki pou tha leei tin diefthinsi tou hellug (URL, mail klp) kathos kai ta pliri stoixeia tis Step computers. Ara aftonoito einai pos den xreiazetai na tiposoume alla CDs apo ta tou syllogou kai tha ta afisoume kena gia mellontiki xrisi. Evripidis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sat Nov 7 17:00:04 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 17:00:04 +0200 Subject: Kati akoma peri SuSE kai ellinikon Message-ID: <36446074.EB582DAA@ametro.gr> O Papamixelakis (o tis STEP) vrisketai se stadio diapragmatefsis me tin SuSE gia ensomatosi ellinikon kai ekselinikopoiisi ton installation menus. Exei idi ksekinisei to deftero, kathoti exei ta arxeia me ta minimata tou installation. Vevaia enas monos tou einai, proxoraei arga. Ego (evripidis) kai i Voula Sanida kai o Georgatos, apofasisame na ton voithisoume, oste na iparxei sto mellon toulaxiston mia etaireia pou na exei stis glosses egatastasis kai ta ellinika kai na ensomatothoun ellinika gia X kai consola monima se mia toulaxiston major dianomi. Alloste kai aftos einai prothimos na voithisei to Hellug (kai to exei idi kanei). Afto einai poli kalo giati ellinika paketa idi iparxoun (Kerammidas, Bouras klp) se GPL, metafraseis minimaton boroun na ginoun efkola, alla kaneis den borei na analavei me sinepeia to xamaliki tis ensomatosis se ena distrib (diatiposeis me etaireia klp, installers klp) para mono i idia i etaireia. Afto loipon tha to kanei o Papamixelakis. Alloste emeis tha to kanoume apaks kai tha iparxei monima. Sti lista to gnostopoioume gia ena kai mono logo. na doume an iparxoun antirriseis apo Boura, Keramida kai opoion allon empleketai sta chcp, Greek sta X kai gia ton an iparxei allos (ennoo kai tous dio parapano syggrafeis ellinikon paketon)pou na thelisei na voithisei. Kai an iparksei distrib me ellinika petixenoume ton makroprothesmo stoxo mas gia elliniki dianomi. (ta epomena free demo CDs pou borei na moirazoume tha exoun kai ellinika apo ti mana tous, xoris na kanoume kanenan epipleon kopo). Opote akouo protaseis sinergasias sta eksis: [1] metafrasi minimaton egatastasis. [2] chcp [3] X kai elliniko keyb [4] X kai ellinika fonts [5] new veltiomena rpms ton parapano (teleia omos me plires install/unistall xoris na katastrefontai apo manual interventions sto XF86Config klp) pou na doulevoun me SuSE! [6] tests ton parapano se SuSE. An endiaferei genikotera ton syllogo kai entassetai sta sxedia mas as pei o kathenas ti borei na kanei (SYGEKRIMENA oxi protaseis: p.x. "ego tha kano to chcp se RPM mesa ston epomeno mina kai tha stinetai sto SuSE mia xara".), alloios tha kanoume osoi mazeftoume oti prolavenoume apo monoi mas. Elpizo na voithisete. E. From S.Xenitellis at rhbnc.ac.uk Sat Nov 7 17:30:03 1998 From: S.Xenitellis at rhbnc.ac.uk (Xenitellis S) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:30:03 -0000 Subject: Kati akoma peri SuSE kai ellinikon Message-ID: <837B0A2C05ADD111A31200E029054E30040456@exch4.rhbnc.ac.uk> > -----Original Message----- > From: Evripidis Papakostas [mailto:epapakostas at ametro.gr] > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 1998 3:00 PM > To: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr > Subject: Kati akoma peri SuSE kai ellinikon > > > O Papamixelakis (o tis STEP) vrisketai se stadio > diapragmatefsis me tin > SuSE gia ensomatosi ellinikon kai ekselinikopoiisi ton installation > menus. > Exei idi ksekinisei to deftero, kathoti exei ta arxeia me ta minimata > tou installation. Vevaia enas monos tou einai, proxoraei arga. ... > Opote akouo protaseis sinergasias sta eksis: > [1] metafrasi minimaton egatastasis. > [2] chcp > [3] X kai elliniko keyb > [4] X kai ellinika fonts > [5] new veltiomena rpms ton parapano (teleia omos me plires > install/unistall xoris na katastrefontai apo manual interventions sto > XF86Config klp) pou na doulevoun me SuSE! > [6] tests ton parapano se SuSE. > > An endiaferei genikotera ton syllogo kai entassetai sta sxedia mas as > pei o kathenas ti borei na kanei (SYGEKRIMENA oxi protaseis: p.x. "ego > tha kano to chcp se RPM mesa ston epomeno mina kai tha > stinetai sto SuSE > mia xara".), alloios tha kanoume osoi mazeftoume oti prolavenoume apo > monoi mas. Ta minimata egkatastasis xrisimopoioun to paketo gettext (diladi NLS)? Eimai dia8esimos na boithiso, an yparxei anagki, ston ejellinismo tvn minimaton. Ayto pou mporo na kano einai review ton metafrasmenon minimaton kai na parasxo sxolia. Akoma, mporo na metafraso .po arxeia. Simos Xenitellis From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sat Nov 7 21:10:25 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 21:10:25 +0200 Subject: Kati akoma peri SuSE kai ellinikon References: <837B0A2C05ADD111A31200E029054E30040456@exch4.rhbnc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <36449B21.5650516@ametro.gr> Xenitellis S wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Evripidis Papakostas [mailto:epapakostas at ametro.gr] > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 1998 3:00 PM > > To: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr > > Subject: Kati akoma peri SuSE kai ellinikon > > > > > > O Papamixelakis (o tis STEP) vrisketai se stadio > > diapragmatefsis me tin > > SuSE gia ensomatosi ellinikon kai ekselinikopoiisi ton installation > > menus. > > Exei idi ksekinisei to deftero, kathoti exei ta arxeia me ta minimata > > tou installation. Vevaia enas monos tou einai, proxoraei arga. > ... > > Opote akouo protaseis sinergasias sta eksis: > > [1] metafrasi minimaton egatastasis. > > [2] chcp > > [3] X kai elliniko keyb > > [4] X kai ellinika fonts > > [5] new veltiomena rpms ton parapano (teleia omos me plires > > install/unistall xoris na katastrefontai apo manual interventions sto > > XF86Config klp) pou na doulevoun me SuSE! > > [6] tests ton parapano se SuSE. > > > > An endiaferei genikotera ton syllogo kai entassetai sta sxedia mas as > > pei o kathenas ti borei na kanei (SYGEKRIMENA oxi protaseis: p.x. "ego > > tha kano to chcp se RPM mesa ston epomeno mina kai tha > > stinetai sto SuSE > > mia xara".), alloios tha kanoume osoi mazeftoume oti prolavenoume apo > > monoi mas. > > Ta minimata egkatastasis xrisimopoioun to paketo gettext (diladi NLS)? > > Eimai dia8esimos na boithiso, an yparxei anagki, ston ejellinismo tvn > minimaton. > Ayto pou mporo na kano einai review ton metafrasmenon minimaton kai na > parasxo > sxolia. Akoma, mporo na metafraso .po arxeia. > > Simos Xenitellis leptomereies den ksero, ksero oti einai ena plain text file (kai oxi .po). an thes tora pou tha mou ta steilei sou stelno na deis. ok? From yang at acropolis.net Sun Nov 8 13:05:29 1998 From: yang at acropolis.net (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:05:29 +0200 Subject: Pws sas faivetai n idea? References: Message-ID: <36457AF9.1AA8570F@acropolis.net> Keramidas Giorgos wrote: > > Pairveis tov disko, tov bazeis secondary-master, kai me etoimn > diskettoula bootareis eva etoimo, stnmevo, configurarismevo Linux sustnma. > > Epeidn de, pavta mou arese n idea tou "Otidnpote Project" lew auto va to > ovomasw apo snmera "Linux-Now Project". Evvoeitai oti opoios exei oreksn > kai palious (mikrous) diskous pou mallov skovn 0a mazeuouv apo 'dw kai > pera, euprosdektos stnv parea... > > Pws sas faivetai to olo egxeirnma? > > -- > Georgios E. Keramidas (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) Eimai mesa me enan disko 540Mb(nomizw oti ftanei) Akouw leptomereies sxetika: 1)distribution? 2)progs? 3)?? -- Yannis........... yang at acropolis.net yang at hellug.gr From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Nov 9 16:12:20 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 14:12:20 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Hellug founded In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 09-Nov-98 Doris Seiler wrote: > On Sat, 17 Oct 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > Hello, > > thank you for keeping us informed. > We are pleased to hear that a new LUG has been founded, especially in > Greece where Linux isn't quite popular yet. > I'll be happy to support your meeting and send you some promotionnal > material. > Please just le me know your address where these items may be sent. > I have some question though: is there any connection between your LUG and > the Patras Linux User Group in Athens? > > I wish your newly founded LUG a lot of success and remain with > best regards, > Doris Seiler > Dear Doris, we woulld like to thank you for your interest. Actually, we already got your material, through Fotis Georgatos (Member of the Board of Hellug). You propably know him better through PLUG (Patras Linux Users Group) which is a local section of Hellug in Patras. We also have a section called Thelug (Thessaloniki's that is). We have already distributed the demo cds Fotis brought us, through our Local LUGs according to their number of members. We would like to thank you once again for your contribution. We also have started a very close cooperation, with Mr. Papamihelakis, who owns Step S.A., SuSE's representative in Athens. He has also been very helpful to us. FYI, our server (http://www.hellug.gr) is a SuSE 5.3 based system. For any information, you may contact board at hellug.gr (that e-mail wasn't operative the time I sent you the first e-mail, that's why I didn't mention it) Best Regards, Chairman of Hellug Michalis Kabrianis chairman at hellug.gr From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Nov 9 16:51:22 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 14:51:22 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Tux shutdown Message-ID: Sas pliroforoume oti gia logous anabathmisis (prosthiki diskou 4.2 Gb) sto mixanima tou hellug, tha parousiastoun diakopes se oles tis ypiresies tou, simera Deytera 9/11 kai avrio Triti 10/11. Tha ginei kathe dynati prospatheia oi diakopes aytes na einai syntomes, outws wste na min yparxoun problimata oute sto mail, alla oute kai se alles ypiresies. Eyxaristw gia tin katanoisi sas Tux administrator. admin at hellug.gr From t-sia at classic.diavlos.gr Tue Nov 10 12:41:19 1998 From: t-sia at classic.diavlos.gr (tassos) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:41:19 +0200 Subject: thelug Message-ID: <3648184F.A7CA7225@classic.diavlos.gr> Writing in greek-english is SOOOOOOO irritating I need information to contact via e-mail or phone members of TheLug From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Nov 10 16:05:03 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:05:03 -0000 (GMT) Subject: To THELUG Message-ID: Pliroforiako yliko: Gia praktikous logous (opos to oti zitithike kapoio stoixeiodes *episimo* pistopoitiko anaferoume sto mail pros tin SuSE oti to PLUG kai to THELUG einai local sections tou HELLUG. Afto mas glitonei apo afti ti grafeiokratia, mia pou gia na iparxei enas nomimos syllogos (opos ena LUG), xreiazetai 20 meli, dikastika eksoda, kai megalo xrono anamonis apofasis. Anaferoume episis oti exoume idi moirasei ta CDs pou irthan sta local LUGs, to opoio einai en merei alitheia. O Photis pire 50 gia to PLUG mazi tou (mia pou aftos ta efere ousiastika). Se kathe melos tou HELLUG tis eparxias (logo ellipsis poron/magazion/dianomon Linux) tha apostelletai kai ena SuSE 5.3 Demo CD. Episis diatithemetha se periptosi paromoiou event (giveaway) sti Thessaloniki, na parasxoume kathe dinati voitheia kai sto THELUG (empsixo iliko, an iparxei xronos kai apsixo CDs klp). Provlima apotelei pos den exoume Thessalonikious meli sto HELLUG oste na paroun CD me tin eggrafi, alla an atomika kapoioi zitisoun tha koitaksoume na tous apostalloun etsi kai alloios. Alla, gia onoma tou Theou. Enas toulaxiston as graftei, i as mas steilei ti dieythynsi tou, gia na mporoume na sas stelnoume oti mporoume / xreiazetai. Episis an petyxoume ekptwseis se magazia pou exoun ekprosopisi stis ano poleis (Papaswtiriou klp) tha tis petixoume (distixos) gia ta meli tou Hellug. Den mporoume na kanoume symfwnia tou styl "Opoios linuxas erthei kane tou ekptwsi", ayta einai aytonoita nomizoume. Opote o anothi sindetikos krikos / melos HELLUG, THELUG tha borei na tin ekmetalleftei gia olous. Vevaia ta paidia tou THELUG boroun na kataferoun me sinenoisi me ton ekei p.x. Papasotiriou kai akoma kaliteres ekptoseis apo monoi tous.:-) Logo tou onomatos Hellenic Linux Users Group nomizoume pos prepei na presvevei kati to katholiko gia oli tin ellada, xoris na ebodizei tin sistasi, leitourgia, klp ton epimerous LUGs. Tha borouse o www.hellug.gr server na anaferetai se ola ta LUGs me selides ana perioxi, meli ana perioxi, projects klp. an theloume gia kapoio logo na fainetai i drastiriotita ana perioxi. Prospathoume na apofigoume me afton ton tropo, kaxipopsies klp metaksi apomakrismenon perioxon pou einai fisiko na iparxoun (se poion anikei klp) kai na kanoume safes pos o syllogos anikei se olous/anaksartita me ti alles tetoies prospatheis ginoun (tis opoies kai prospathoume na enisxisoume). Alloste telika oso perissoteroi kai enomenoi eimaste toso kalitera gia olous mas. O Proedros tou Hellug O antiproedros tou Hellug Michalis Kabrianis Evripidis Papakostas chairman at hellug.gr chairman2 at hellug.gr kabrianis at hellug.gr evris at hellug.gr From dbouras at hol.gr Tue Nov 10 14:09:39 1998 From: dbouras at hol.gr (Dimitrios P. Bouras) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:09:39 +0200 Subject: Kati akoma peri SuSE kai ellinikon References: <36446074.EB582DAA@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <36482D02.5416E22F@hol.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > Sti lista to gnostopoioume gia ena kai mono logo. na doume an iparxoun > antirriseis apo Boura, Keramida kai opoion allon empleketai sta chcp, > Greek sta X kai gia ton an iparxei allos (ennoo kai tous dio parapano > syggrafeis ellinikon paketon)pou na thelisei na voithisei. Apolytws kamia antirhsh apo emena. Oi ths "Step" eixan hdh epikoinwnhsei mazi mou prin ena mhna peripou kai tous eipa oti a) fysika den yparxei -- kai den 0a htan dynaton na ypar3ei -- antirhsh, kai b) mporoun na epikoinwnhsoun ean 0eloun gi opoiadhpote dieukrinhsh. Poly parapanw boh0eia dystyxws den mporw na prosferw giati mexri telos tou xronou 0a eimai "pnigmenos" me th douleia (o tonos opou epi0ymei o ka0eis :)) kai me polla alla pou den afhnoun xrono... Dhmhtrhs From mkab at forthnet.gr Wed Nov 11 12:19:08 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:19:08 -0000 (GMT) Subject: FW: Event on website Message-ID: Pliroforiaka... Tha tou steilw kai eikonaki mesa stin imera. -----FW: <3648EBDF.CBC691B4 at caldera.com>----- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:43:59 -0700 From: Wilson Lee To: mkab at forthnet.gr Subject: Event on website Michalis, the event is now on our website located here: http://www.calderasystems.com/news/events.html Wilson Lee Caldera Systems --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis chairman at hellug.gr From admin at edessa.topo.auth.gr Wed Nov 11 06:11:27 1998 From: admin at edessa.topo.auth.gr (Kostas Lialiambis) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:11:27 +0200 Subject: thelug References: <3648184F.A7CA7225@classic.diavlos.gr> Message-ID: <72b3f1$8ro$1@edessa.topo.auth.gr> tassos wrote in message <3648184F.A7CA7225 at classic.diavlos.gr>... >Writing in greek-english is SOOOOOOO irritating Oh! Kai mena me iritate sthn arxh but I katafera to come over it - the first 30 xronia are dyskola, meta you get used sth geysh. Kor! From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Nov 11 15:02:18 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:02:18 +0200 Subject: altera: zitountai programmatistes Message-ID: <36498ADA.3D148236@ametro.gr> Elava tin eksis aggelia: H Altera (i elliniki etaireia pou kataskevazei ton Altera SQL Server) zitaei 2-3 programmatistes gia monimi douleia. Plirofories gia endiaferomenous: [1] Na einai maximos C programmer me kapoia xronia ebeirias [2] Misthos kalos (kai analogos prosonton klp) [3] full time [4] Java epithimiti tha apasxolithei se diafora projects pou emplekoun linux. opoios endiaferomenos borei na tilefonisei sto 6894915 k. Nikos Panopoulos i k. Dimitris Souflis An kapoios kserei atoma pou endiaferontai kai tiroun ta parapano as kanei fw tin aggelia Evripidis -- Evripidis Papakostas HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From exindari at math.upatras.gr Fri Nov 13 01:47:34 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:47:34 +0200 Subject: Ellinika ston Window Maker Message-ID: <364B7396.4BABC4F4@ermis.math.upatras.gr> Gia osous den to kseroun O Window Maker exei mulit-language yposthrijh kai yposthrize ellhnika menoy. Arkei ena export LANG=el ( se bash shell ) kai exoyme ellhnika sta menoy. Fisika mporei hdh na to exete dokimasei kai na to kserete opote apla to empedventai :-). Apla thelv na to epishmanv etsi vste na mpei sto (atypo) katalogo "Ellhnika kai Linux". Filika Yannis From axrst at linux.futurekids Thu Nov 12 18:17:16 1998 From: axrst at linux.futurekids (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: 12 Nov 1998 16:17:16 GMT Subject: Linux CD's Message-ID: Re paidia kati eida gia 200 cd suse.... Telika na ta steilw kamia 10ria CD me palioteres distr. h oxi? To 8ema einai oti ta exw se fakelo kai sfragismena edw kai kairo, kai den 8ymamai na ta steilw. Ase poy exw xasei kai th diey8ynsh ;-) loipon an einai na ta steilw peite moy, kai grapste kai th diey8ynsh... Xrst. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Nov 13 12:34:17 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:34:17 +0200 Subject: Linux CD's References: Message-ID: <364C0B29.74436B08@ametro.gr> Xristos Athanasopoulos wrote: > > Re paidia kati eida gia 200 cd suse.... Telika na ta steilw kamia > 10ria CD > me palioteres distr. h oxi? To 8ema einai oti ta exw se fakelo kai > sfragismena edw kai kairo, kai den 8ymamai na ta steilw. Ase poy exw > xasei > kai th diey8ynsh ;-) > > loipon an einai na ta steilw peite moy, kai grapste kai th > diey8ynsh... > > Xrst. Steile steile, oi kaloi pantou xorane. papakostas evripidis kai voula sanida roumelis 10 agia paraskevi 15341 athina. episis tha laveis mazi me tin sfagismeni pleon me pigouino apodiksi eggrafis sou kai ena suse 5.3 (1 cd, binary only) apo afta ta 200-60 georgatos=140 SuSE pou exoume. -- Evripidis Papakostas HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From step at otenet.gr Fri Nov 13 19:41:47 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:41:47 +0200 Subject: Translations Message-ID: <000c01be0f2c$e3fa9360$0101a8c0@george> Elpizo auto na voithaei: The first entry will be visible to the user who is just installing (SuSE)Linux. After choosing a language, the second entry is used to choose the right keybord, since keyboards look somewhat different in different countries. Re-Choosing the keyboard later on in the installationprocess will be possible. The third entry is used to choose the font needed to display the different languages. For some historical reasons, that are only 256 characters available at one time. (All the ones that know that under some conditions 512 at one time are possible, please be silent now ;-) ) These 256 characters are called font, and a font is not large enough to keep English, Cyrillic and Greek charakters at the same time. Therefor the font has to be changed. The forth entry is used to change some runtime options of programs, e.g. "date" kann output "monday" in greek. The fifth entry (screenmap) has something to do with the order of the character position in a font. And last, the unicodemap: Unicodefonts have 2^16 symbols. The unicodemapping table maps some of the 2^16 to the 2^8 representable characters. This is needed if one uses an application that outputs unicode format. Cheretw Giorgos From step at otenet.gr Fri Nov 13 19:44:52 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:44:52 +0200 Subject: Fw: Translations Message-ID: <002601be0f2d$5248cbc0$0101a8c0@george> Signomi lathos e-mail -----Original Message----- From: George Papamichelakis To: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr Date: Παρασκευή, 13 Νοεμβρίου 1998 7:41 μμ Subject: Translations > >Elpizo auto na voithaei: > >The first entry will be visible to the user who is just installing >(SuSE)Linux. After choosing a language, the second entry is used to choose >the right keybord, since keyboards look somewhat different in different >countries. Re-Choosing the keyboard later on in the installationprocess >will be possible. >The third entry is used to choose the font needed to display the different >languages. For some historical reasons, that are only 256 characters >available at one time. (All the ones that know that under some conditions >512 at one time are possible, please be silent now ;-) ) These 256 >characters >are called font, and a font is not large enough to keep English, Cyrillic >and Greek charakters at the same time. Therefor the font has to be >changed. >The forth entry is used to change some runtime options of programs, e.g. >"date" kann output "monday" in greek. >The fifth entry (screenmap) has something to do with the order of the >character position in a font. >And last, the unicodemap: Unicodefonts have 2^16 symbols. The >unicodemapping table maps some of the 2^16 to the 2^8 representable >characters. This is needed if one uses an application that outputs unicode >format. > >Cheretw >Giorgos > > From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Fri Nov 13 22:18:31 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:18:31 +0200 Subject: Translations In-Reply-To: <000c01be0f2c$e3fa9360$0101a8c0@george>; from George Papamichelakis on Fri, Nov 13, 1998 at 07:41:47PM +0200 References: <000c01be0f2c$e3fa9360$0101a8c0@george> Message-ID: <19981113221831.B246@crystal.i-net.gr> On Fri, Nov 13, 1998 at 07:41:47PM +0200, George Papamichelakis wrote: > Elpizo auto na voithaei: > The first entry will be visible to the user who is just installing > (SuSE)Linux. After choosing a language, the second entry is used to choose > the right keybord, since keyboards look somewhat different in different > countries. Re-Choosing the keyboard later on in the installationprocess > will be possible. > The third entry is used to choose the font needed to display the different > languages. For some historical reasons, that are only 256 characters > available at one time. (All the ones that know that under some conditions > 512 at one time are possible, please be silent now ;-) ) These 256 > characters > are called font, and a font is not large enough to keep English, Cyrillic > and Greek charakters at the same time. Therefor the font has to be > changed. > The forth entry is used to change some runtime options of programs, e.g. > "date" kann output "monday" in greek. > The fifth entry (screenmap) has something to do with the order of the > character position in a font. > And last, the unicodemap: Unicodefonts have 2^16 symbols. The > unicodemapping table maps some of the 2^16 to the 2^8 representable > characters. This is needed if one uses an application that outputs unicode > format. Ta perisotera apo auta mporeis na ta kaneis me ta nls programmata. px to date exei hdh metafrastei apo thn plevra twn locales gia thn glibc2. Gia to unicode... Giati oxi iso8859-7? -- Nikos G.Mavroyanopoulos nmav at i-net.paiko.gr finger/pgpkey: ma06205 at hermes.cc.uoi.gr From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Mon Nov 16 17:25:24 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:25:24 +0200 (EET DST) Subject: Kernel 2.0.36 In-Reply-To: <19981113221831.B246@crystal.i-net.gr> Message-ID: Neos pyrhnas, kai ayth th fora dwrean, gia osous endiaferontai. xairetw sas +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Nov 18 15:36:16 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:36:16 +0200 Subject: neotera Message-ID: <3652CD50.D8CB62BE@ametro.gr> o dikigoros mas, leei pos egrithikame oristika san sillogos. afto simainei pos oi skopoi mas ontos krithikan sostoi, ontos den iponoeitai dolos, kakovouli prothesi, proagoume tin koinonia klp... xarti akoma den lamvanoume parola afta. menoun kati ipoloipa. tha tou tilefoniso. mallon gia paravola, dimosiefsis klp. -- Evripidis Papakostas HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From axrst at linux.futurekids Wed Nov 18 14:35:36 1998 From: axrst at linux.futurekids (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: 18 Nov 1998 12:35:36 GMT Subject: Linux CD's References: , <364C0B29.74436B08@ametro.gr> Message-ID: In article <364C0B29.74436B08 at ametro.gr>, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: >episis tha laveis mazi me tin sfagismeni pleon me pigouino apodiksi >eggrafis sou kai ena suse 5.3 (1 cd, binary only) apo afta ta 200-60 >georgatos=140 SuSE pou exoume. ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ????; ??? ???????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ????... ?????? ??? ?? ???? ??????????? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ??? ???????? ??? '???? ??? ????????? version ;-) ?? ???? ?? ??????? ???. ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????. Xrst. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Nov 18 15:57:19 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:57:19 +0200 Subject: Linux CD's References: , <364C0B29.74436B08@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3652D23F.375E666D@ametro.gr> Xristos Athanasopoulos wrote: > > In article <364C0B29.74436B08 at ametro.gr>, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > >episis tha laveis mazi me tin sfagismeni pleon me pigouino apodiksi > >eggrafis sou kai ena suse 5.3 (1 cd, binary only) apo afta ta 200-60 > >georgatos=140 SuSE pou exoume. > > Και πότε θα τα λάβω αυτά; Εχω κάποιους πορωμένους που θέλουν > να > βάλουν λίνουξ και με έχουν φάει... Βέβαια για να τους καθυστερήσω λόγω > δουλειάς τους λέω οτι περιμένω απο 'σένα την καινούρια version ;-) > > Τα άλλα τα έστειλα ήδη. Αύριο θα τα έχεις μάλλον. > > Xrst. estalthisan mallon simera, i an oxi i voula tha ta steilei mexri pempti. -- Evripidis Papakostas HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Nov 19 15:22:42 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:22:42 +0200 Subject: pos pame apo web? Message-ID: <36541BA2.EF5D354E@ametro.gr> peripou gia tis ipoloipes drastiriotites (opos server, diskous, dikastika, CDs, ektiposeis pano) i lista exei mia apopsi tis trexousas katastasis. gia na kseroun kai oi "koinoi thnitoi" loipon pou den anikoun se epimerous listes emails (opos oi web devels, oi tou ds klp). pos paei to www.hellug.gr apo proodo? kammia ektimisi pote tha exoume oristikes selides (oxi demo) oste na vlepei kati o kosmos (ti skata tha moirazoume to URL mas ton dekemvri an einai kaeno), projects, meli klp? opoioi asxolountai me ta parapano, as poun sti lista ginetai/sxediazetai/vrisketai sti mesi. -- Evripidis Papakostas HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From fm94 at freemail.gr Thu Nov 19 20:15:25 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:15:25 +0200 Subject: pos pame apo web? In-Reply-To: <36541BA2.EF5D354E@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981119201525.00806e10@teemail.tee.gr> At 03:22 ?? 19/11/1998 +0200, you wrote: >gia na kseroun kai oi "koinoi thnitoi" loipon pou den anikoun se >epimerous listes emails (opos oi web devels, oi tou ds klp). pos paei to >www.hellug.gr apo proodo? apo tin meria mou (database) exo etima ta script gia tis aggelies sxetikes me linux kai prosfora/zitisi ergasias.. ka8os kai gia to who is who ton melon enoite oti den exei ginei morfopoiisi sta script logo oti den exo to episimo look tou hellug.. tora 3ekinao to lexis.. . From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Thu Nov 19 20:24:20 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:24:20 +0200 (EET DST) Subject: Kati etoimazetai... Message-ID: Gef wrote to Gkoul on xx/xx/xx: > Plaka, plaka, pame Plaka oloi oi Linux*gr? > Eimai Athina to Sab/ko. Proteinw Sabbato brady. And Gkoul replied: > Sounds good alla an mporeis organwse to project gia Sabato apogeuma .h. > kai mesimeri. Ti lete paidia? Proteinete wra kai meros. xairetw sas +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From mkab at forthnet.gr Fri Nov 20 12:41:22 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:41:22 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Kati etoimazetai... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19-Nov-98 Georgatos Fotis wrote: > > Gef wrote to Gkoul on xx/xx/xx: >> Plaka, plaka, pame Plaka oloi oi Linux*gr? >> Eimai Athina to Sab/ko. Proteinw Sabbato brady. > > And Gkoul replied: >> Sounds good alla an mporeis organwse to project gia Sabato apogeuma .h. >> kai mesimeri. > > Ti lete paidia? > Proteinete wra kai meros. > > xairetw sas > Egw eimai mesa gia nwris to Sabbato (to brady exoume kai Maries) ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr From sbolis at usa.net Fri Nov 20 20:20:23 1998 From: sbolis at usa.net (Spiros Bolis) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:20:23 +0200 Subject: Kati etoimazetai... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.1.19981120201932.00abb6b0@pop.netaddress.com> >Egw eimai mesa gia nwris to Sabbato (to brady exoume kai Maries) > >----------------------------- >Michalis Kabrianis Ki egw nwris lew gia ton idio logo (apogeymataki??) Xairetw, Spiros D. Bolis From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri Nov 20 23:39:12 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Konstantinos) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:39:12 +0200 Subject: Kati etoimazetai... In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981120201932.00abb6b0@pop.netaddress.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981120233912.0089e210@teemail.tee.gr> At 08:20 ?? 20/11/1998 +0200, you wrote: >>Egw eimai mesa gia nwris to Sabbato (to brady exoume kai Maries) >> >>----------------------------- >>Michalis Kabrianis >Ki egw nwris lew gia ton idio logo (apogeymataki??) >Xairetw, > >Spiros D. Bolis > Ok kai go mesa.. From kokni at eexi.gr Sat Nov 21 00:35:47 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (kokni at eexi.gr) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:35:47 +0200 Subject: Kati etoimazetai... References: <3.0.5.32.19981120233912.0089e210@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <3655EEC2.CF277571@eexi.gr> Maistrelis Konstantinos wrote: > At 08:20 μμ 20/11/1998 +0200, you wrote: > >>Egw eimai mesa gia nwris to Sabbato (to brady exoume kai Maries) > >> > >>----------------------------- > >>Michalis Kabrianis > >Ki egw nwris lew gia ton idio logo (apogeymataki??) > >Xairetw, > > > >Spiros D. Bolis > > > Ok kai go mesa.. Otan lete nwris, ti ennoeite ? Emena pantreuetai h aderfh mou stis 8 !! Den to kanoume nwris to meshmeri, p.x. 12 ? Filika nikos kokras From sbolis at usa.net Sun Nov 22 17:37:48 1998 From: sbolis at usa.net (Spiros Bolis) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:37:48 +0200 Subject: Kati etoimazetai... In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981120201932.00abb6b0@pop.netaddress.com> References: Message-ID: <4.1.19981122173648.00af0860@pop.netaddress.com> >>Egw eimai mesa gia nwris to Sabbato (to brady exoume kai Maries) >Ki egw nwris lew gia ton idio logo (apogeymataki??) Telika egine tipota allo ektos apo tis Maries xtes Savvato ? Perimenw nea (an yparxoyn), Spiros D. Bolis From step at otenet.gr Mon Nov 23 20:32:56 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:32:56 +0200 Subject: Programatistis Message-ID: <003d01be170f$b1ac9b20$0101a8c0@george> Apo etairia tou chorou anaptisomeni anazititai programatistis (hobystas kata vathos pou na echei ti diathesi na peiramatizetai kai na ascholitai me nees idees). Oi apaitiseis einai na gnorizei genikos esto tis arches tou programmatismou ,ean de kserei kai Java h HTML h akoma kalitera Macromedia Director akoma kalitera ! Opos katalavate isos h drastiriotites tis etairias einai sto choro twn multimedia kai h apascholisi gia ton epilachonta oloklirotiki (ean ta vroun). Oi endiaferomenoi mporoun na steiloun archika ena e-mail sto step at otenet.gr pou tha perigrafoun ti gnorizoun kai ta schetika. From step at otenet.gr Tue Nov 24 13:28:27 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:28:27 +0200 Subject: Programatisitis No2 Message-ID: <000e01be179d$8ef619b0$0101a8c0@george> Kiallos Programatistis anazititai alla auti ti fora pio empeiros kai gia ligotero dimiourgiki ergasia (ypotheto:-)): Opoios kserei Basic (mallon Visual zitane) i C i C++ i Cobol mporei na epoikinonisei sto 6463444 me ton Michali Stamatopoulo Apo tis plirofories to kalitero einai na kserei Cobol ! From voulariba at ametro.gr Sun Nov 29 14:24:32 1998 From: voulariba at ametro.gr (Voula Sanida) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:24:32 +0200 Subject: Kai h Alvania sthrizei to Linux ;-) Message-ID: <36613D00.2B408D67@ametro.gr> Egine mia diethnis ekthesi sta Tirana, (KlikExpo) sthn opoia to Linux.org Albania me th boitheia ths Fastech Ltd prowthisan to Linux gia prwth fora sthn Albania. Thn ektesi episkeftike kai o prwthipourgo ths Alvanias, ston opoio milhsan gia tis dynatothtes tou Linux kai thn eksaplwsh tou :-) To site tous einai sto http://lowrent.org/lnxorgal/ kai tha valoun syntoma fwtografies apo thn ekthesi sto http://lowrent.org/lnxorgal/klikexpo98 -- *********************************** Do you really want to pay the Bill? Voula Sanida reply-to : voulariba at hellug.gr http://linux.airtour.gr *********************************** From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Nov 30 13:08:38 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:08:38 +0200 (EET) Subject: http://www.hellug.gr Message-ID: Sas anakoinwnoume oti o server tou Hellug einai apo ayti ti stigmi "Up & running" Mporeite (kai sas proskaloume) na ton episkefteite, sti dieythynsi: http://www.hellug.gr Rikste kai mia matia stin anakoinwsi, mallon sas endiaferei. :-) Idiateres eyxaristies, stin omada Web tou syllogou, Kremmyda Kleanthi kai Barakiti Kwsta (oi opoioi xreiazontai boitheia. An exei kanenas eleythero xrono, kserei pou na apeythynthei :-) ) Gia to D.S. tou Hellug. Michalis Kabrianis chairman at hellug.gr From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Tue Dec 1 14:23:44 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:23:44 +0200 Subject: Mikro poster gia tis 19... Message-ID: Eftiaksa ena mikro poster (A4) gia to happening ... Rikste toy mia matia, an sas aresei, mporoume na to typonoume o kathenas monos toy gia xrhsh se douleies, sxoles, "dika mas" magazia klp ... Einai sto ftp://ftp.scientificpublications.gr/pub/Hellug/Poster.jpg (anonymous). T. From axrst at linux.futurekids Tue Dec 1 16:52:45 1998 From: axrst at linux.futurekids (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: 1 Dec 1998 14:52:45 GMT Subject: http://www.hellug.gr References: Message-ID: In article , Michalis Kabrianis wrote: >Mporeite (kai sas proskaloume) na ton episkefteite, sti dieythynsi: >http://www.hellug.gr Kalie, pws hmporw ki egw na graftw sto syllogo? Dioti apo mia matia poy erija sth lista twn mellwn, den eimai mesa :> Xrst. From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Tue Dec 1 17:28:50 1998 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (keramida at ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:28:50 +0200 (EET) Subject: Kati akoma peri SuSE kai ellinikon In-Reply-To: <36482D02.5416E22F@hol.gr> from "Dimitrios P. Bouras" at Nov 10, 98 02:09:39 pm Message-ID: <19981201152850.14990.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> : Evripidis Papakostas wrote: : > : > Sti lista to gnostopoioume gia ena kai mono logo. na doume an iparxoun : > antirriseis apo Boura, Keramida kai opoion allon empleketai sta chcp, : > Greek sta X kai gia ton an iparxei allos (ennoo kai tous dio parapano : > syggrafeis ellinikon paketon)pou na thelisei na voithisei. : Kai eivai profaves, dev xreiazetai va to poume pisteuw, oti oute ki egw exw kamia avtirrnsn. To RPM kai SRPM paketo opoios to 0elei mporei va to avtigrapsei eleu0era ejjalou. Gi' auto to ekava GPL :) Avte va doume kai mia egkatastasn me ellnvika mnvumata... "Na to dw ki auto kai meta as pe0avw" dev eixe pei kapoios... E egw lew "va to dw ki auto kai meta dev 0a pe0avw pote"! From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Dec 1 17:49:08 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:49:08 +0200 Subject: Kati akoma peri SuSE kai ellinikon References: <19981201152850.14990.qmail@zenon.ceid.upatras.gr> Message-ID: <36640FF4.BA9C7BDA@ametro.gr> keramida at ceid.upatras.gr wrote: > > : Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > : > > : > Sti lista to gnostopoioume gia ena kai mono logo. na doume an > iparxoun > : > antirriseis apo Boura, Keramida kai opoion allon empleketai sta > chcp, > : > Greek sta X kai gia ton an iparxei allos (ennoo kai tous dio > parapano > : > syggrafeis ellinikon paketon)pou na thelisei na voithisei. > : > > Kai eivai profaves, dev xreiazetai va to poume pisteuw, oti oute ki > egw exw kamia avtirrnsn. To RPM kai SRPM paketo opoios to 0elei > mporei va to avtigrapsei eleu0era ejjalou. Gi' auto to ekava GPL :) > > Avte va doume kai mia egkatastasn me ellnvika mnvumata... > "Na to dw ki auto kai meta as pe0avw" dev eixe pei kapoios... > E egw lew "va to dw ki auto kai meta dev 0a pe0avw pote"! apsoga! kanonise na miliseis ligo kai me step at otenet.gr einai o papamichelakis o local suse representative me to orama tis SuSE ellinikopoiisis kai o ipefthinos tou thematos aftou. na tou peis oti nomizeis pos borei na efkolinei ta pragmata me to chcp kai isos na apantiseis se oti texniki aporia tixon exei/prokipsei/steilei i SuSE) kai oi dio eisaste sti lista, peite ta (private i mi) -- Evripidis Papakostas HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Dec 1 21:24:12 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:24:12 +0200 (EET) Subject: http://www.hellug.gr In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01-Dec-98 Xristos Athanasopoulos wrote: > In article , Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > >>Mporeite (kai sas proskaloume) na ton episkefteite, sti dieythynsi: >>http://www.hellug.gr > > Kalie, pws hmporw ki egw na graftw sto syllogo? Dioti apo mia matia > poy erija sth lista twn mellwn, den eimai mesa :> > > Xrst. Sorry Xristo, lathos. Mpike lathos lista :-( Ayrio - methayrio tha einai i swsti epanw, opou sigoura eisai grammenos. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Dec 1 21:35:46 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:35:46 +0200 Subject: http://www.hellug.gr References: Message-ID: <36644512.80A16788@ametro.gr> > > Kalie, pws hmporw ki egw na graftw sto syllogo? Dioti apo mia > Ayrio - methayrio tha einai i swsti epanw, opou sigoura eisai grammenos. sigoura den theleis na ksanagrafteis na sai sigouros ? exoume (i voula eidika) kai anagkes .... > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr > ----------------------------- From kremidas at lrf.gr Thu Dec 3 17:14:33 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:14:33 +0000 Subject: Linux - UPS Message-ID: <199812032317.PAA20941@www.lrf.gr> Kalispera se olous, Exw ena Linux Slackware 2.0.34 kai ena APC 1000 UPS. Mazi me to UPS erxetai ena kalwdio kai software gia ipostiriksi NT, Novell, SCO, Win95/98 alla oxi Linux. Exei kataferei kaneis na doulepsi UPS tis APC me Linux ?? Euxaristo prokatabolika, Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com kremidas at hellug.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From bakira at new-europe.gr Thu Dec 3 15:32:16 1998 From: bakira at new-europe.gr (Katsifos Nikolaos) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:32:16 +0200 (EET) Subject: Linux - UPS In-Reply-To: <199812032317.PAA20941@www.lrf.gr> Message-ID: Geia xara se olous Dokimases ton powerd (8) ??????? On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS wrote: > Kalispera se olous, > > Exw ena Linux Slackware 2.0.34 kai ena APC 1000 UPS. Mazi me > to UPS erxetai ena kalwdio kai software gia ipostiriksi NT, Novell, > SCO, Win95/98 alla oxi Linux. Exei kataferei kaneis na doulepsi > UPS tis APC me Linux ?? > > Euxaristo prokatabolika, > > Kremmidas Kleanthis > System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) > E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr > kremmidas at yahoo.com > kremidas at hotmail.com > kremidas at hellug.gr > Phone : (+301) 3311848 > Fax : (+301) 3230668 > Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) > > From fm94 at freemail.gr Thu Dec 3 18:04:52 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Konstantinos) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:04:52 +0200 Subject: Linux - UPS In-Reply-To: <199812032317.PAA20941@www.lrf.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981203180452.007f8a10@teemail.tee.gr> At 03:14 ?? 3/12/1998 +0000, you wrote: >Exw ena Linux Slackware 2.0.34 kai ena APC 1000 UPS. Mazi me gia to UPS eri3es kamia matia sto ups howto?? en oligis an ine e3ipno (smart ups) asta na pane.. an ine xazo ta pragmata dior8ononte.. diladi an epikinonei me to pc p.x. me to na metatrepei apo 0 se 1 kapio vio8itiko pin tis siriakis (CTS, DTR klp) mporis na pareis ena programataki pou exei mesa kai na to pira3is sta dikasou metra An tora to UPS kanei kanoniki epikinonia stelnontas oloklira paketa meso siriakis tote to programa ine poli pio diskolo na ftiaxtei.. kai kati pou 8a to 3ereis ala to leo na mou figei to po8imeo An to kouti sou ine ATX pali exis provlima giati den sikonete ama 3anar8ei to revma.. tous @#$@#$ alazoun texnologies etsi gia plaka kai ama exes provlimata simvatotitas (px ups) sou lene salta @#%#$ From kremidas at lrf.gr Thu Dec 3 20:58:03 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:58:03 +0000 Subject: About UPS - Linux Message-ID: <199812040301.TAA02565@www.lrf.gr> Kalispera kai pali, Loipon brethike enas deamon pou ypolopoiei tin sindesi APC Smart UPS me Linux. Xrisimopoiei to kalwdio pou dinei h APC. An kapoion ton endiaferei as mou steilei mail. Euxaristo tin lista... Filika, Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com kremidas at hellug.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From roryt at hol.gr Fri Dec 4 07:00:46 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:00:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: Linux - UPS In-Reply-To: <199812032317.PAA20941@www.lrf.gr> Message-ID: On 03-Dec-98 KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS wrote: > Kalispera se olous, > > Exw ena Linux Slackware 2.0.34 kai ena APC 1000 UPS. Mazi me Xmm, tha ginw ligo spastikos : h lista hellug den einai gia themata HELLUG kai mono ? Nomiza oti tetoies erwthseis tha eprepe na apeytinontai sthn linux-greek-users, h kanw lathos ? Ti leei to DS ? I.Ioannou From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Fri Dec 4 10:36:46 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:36:46 +0200 (EET DST) Subject: Linux - UPS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, I.Ioannou wrote: > On 03-Dec-98 KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS wrote: > > Exw ena Linux Slackware 2.0.34 kai ena APC 1000 UPS. Mazi me > Xmm, tha ginw ligo spastikos : h lista hellug den einai gia themata HELLUG kai > mono ? Nomiza oti tetoies erwthseis tha eprepe na apeytinontai sthn > linux-greek-users, h kanw lathos ? Ti leei to DS ? Plhmelhma. Sygxwreitai logw kalhs diagwghs. Ean den yparxei diafwnia me ta parapanw, TELOS. From magaz at hellug.gr Fri Dec 4 12:37:04 1998 From: magaz at hellug.gr (Magaz) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:37:04 +0200 (EET) Subject: Magaz #10 Message-ID: Sas pliroforoume oti bgike to Magaz teyxos 10, sta gnwsta sites, diladi: http://www.linux.gr/magaz http://magaz.hellug.gr Plirofories: To mirror http://linux.forthnet.gr einai enimerwmeno to mirror http://sunsite.ics.forth.gr se ligo (mallon apo ayrio) to mirror http://mk.aua.gr/magaz katargeitai. Gia erwtiseis pros tin syntaktiki omada tou magaz yparxei mia nea ypiresia. Xrisimopoiiste to antistoixo link. Epeidi eginan polles allages se ayto to teyxos, an paratirisete kanena problima (broken links klp) parakalw epikoinwniste me to e-mail kabrianis at hellug.gr Gia to Magaz magaz at linux.gr magaz at hellug.gr From fm94 at freemail.gr Fri Dec 4 16:55:38 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Konstantinos) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:55:38 +0200 Subject: selides melon kai index Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981204165538.007db260@teemail.tee.gr> se ligo 8a anavei mia mini mixani anazitisis me ta meloi kai mia selida gia to ka8ena.. ta dedomena ta exo perasei stin postgress ta pedia pou exei i vasi simpliromena i vasi afti ti stgmi ine ta e3is: ??????? ????? ????????? ???????? E-MAIL URL (home page) ??/??? ???????? stin selida tou xristi default den 8a emfanizonte ola 8a emfanizete to email tou xristi sto HELLUG kai oxi ta ipolipa kai den 8a emfanizete to tilefono \\\ ///\ (oo) <(oo)> +-----oo()oo------------------------oo()oo------+ | opios DEN exei provlima na emfanizonte ola ta | | stixia kai 8ELEI na emfanizonte ola, | | na mou stilei mail | +-----------------------------------------------+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ episis stin selida tou ka8enos 8a iparxei dinatotita emfanisis fotgrafias kai enos mikrou kimenou.. ta opia opios 8elei na iparxoun stin selida tou 8a prepei na mou ta stilei (foto min stelnete akoma na doume me tin WWW gia to pos akrivos 8a ine i selides) oi selides aftes 8a paragonte me kapio script apo ekei kai pera protino ta e3is: 1) apo ki kai pera nomizo (ektos an iparxei kapio alo provlima diaxiristiko pou 8a mas pei o mixalis)o ka8enas as katevasei tin selida tou na tin ala3ei opos nomizei mesa sta plesi atis es8itikis tou hellug kai enoite oti den 8a ginei home page kai mou tin stelnei na tin anevaso 2) episis mia idea ine: opios 8elei mporei sto link apo to onomatou na vgenei i dikitou home page kai oxi i default selida sto hellug +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | stin vasi iparxei kai pedio gia imerominia genisis | | opios den to 8eorei fakeloma as stilei na 3eroume ti | | ilikies exoume (episis an stilete na diefkrinizete | | an afti i pliroforia 8a simperilamvanete stin selida sas) | | | | Mpore na lavete kai kana doro sta gene8lia sas :-) | | | | episis stilte mou tixon URL HOME PAGE pou exete. | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ episis gia to provlima me tis roufixtres emails ton spamers exete na protinete tipota ?? ego vlepo 4 pragmata : 1) Na min exoume ka8olou index me meloi kai link para mono anazitisi (malon den leei) 2) apo to index stis selides na pigenei me javascript link (isos provlimatiko gia kapious browser) 3) na min exei ka8olou mail pano stin selida ala ena koumpi pou na stelnei mail me CGI (ligo parapano doulia :-) ) 4) Na min kanoume tipota (to kalitero varieme na ftiaxno :-) ) afta. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Sat Dec 5 02:49:51 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:49:51 +0000 Subject: Magaz #10 References: Message-ID: <3668832F.86B5E4B3@math.upatras.gr> Magaz wrote: > > Sas pliroforoume oti bgike to Magaz teyxos 10, sta gnwsta sites, diladi: > > http://www.linux.gr/magaz > http://magaz.hellug.gr > > Plirofories: > > To mirror > http://linux.forthnet.gr einai enimerwmeno > to mirror > http://sunsite.ics.forth.gr se ligo (mallon apo ayrio) > to mirror > http://mk.aua.gr/magaz katargeitai. > > Gia erwtiseis pros tin syntaktiki omada tou magaz yparxei mia nea ypiresia. > Xrisimopoiiste to antistoixo link. > > Epeidi eginan polles allages se ayto to teyxos, an paratirisete kanena problima > (broken links klp) parakalw epikoinwniste me to e-mail > kabrianis at hellug.gr > > Gia to Magaz > > magaz at linux.gr > magaz at hellug.gr Sto www.linux.gr/magaz to link sto editorial gia thn forma ervthshs einai broken From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sat Dec 5 19:32:35 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:32:35 +0200 Subject: kati akoma prin to happening Message-ID: <36696E33.7CFEB68B@ametro.gr> to ksero oti kano san kako#@$ gerontokori alla exo kati akoma: mia pou spania peithomaste na katevoume, na sigentrothoume, na to anakoinosoume se ram, cgo, hellug, listes, na tiposoume, na lavoume tzaba cds, na grapsoume cds, stoli ai vasili klp tha ithela na kataferoume osa perissotera ginetai. ara...gia na min kseminoume apo cds mesa se 1 ora, kai ektos apo to na xronotrivisoume, kai gia na mazepsoume kai kammia pliroforia, kai gia na einai kai o giro apo ton bago mas xoros psilogematos, bas kai thaprepe na exoume kati san erotimatologio tou styl: ilikia, onoma email an eisai xristis linux pc kai tetoia, oste opoios thelei prin parei to cdaki tou na simplironei, na kathetai esto 5 sec sto periptero, na ton doume. an nai .... iparxei kapoios pou borei na to kanei, ego den exo xrono, alla an mou to dosei etoimo, exo fototipiko na to vgalo kammia 200aria fores. tafta. From cvar at startrek.csd.auth.gr Sun Dec 6 14:55:27 1998 From: cvar at startrek.csd.auth.gr (Christos Varelas) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:55:27 +0200 (EET) Subject: kati akoma prin to happening In-Reply-To: <36696E33.7CFEB68B@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > to ksero oti kano san kako#@$ gerontokori alla exo kati akoma: > > mia pou spania peithomaste na katevoume, na sigentrothoume, na to > anakoinosoume se ram, cgo, hellug, listes, na tiposoume, na lavoume > tzaba cds, na grapsoume cds, stoli ai vasili klp tha ithela na > kataferoume osa perissotera ginetai. > > ara...gia na min kseminoume apo cds mesa se 1 ora, kai ektos apo to na > xronotrivisoume, kai gia na mazepsoume kai kammia pliroforia, kai gia na > einai kai o giro apo ton bago mas xoros psilogematos, bas kai thaprepe > na exoume kati san erotimatologio tou styl: > > ilikia, > onoma > email > an eisai xristis linux > pc > kai tetoia, oste opoios thelei prin parei to cdaki tou na simplironei, > na kathetai esto 5 sec sto periptero, na ton doume. > > an nai .... iparxei kapoios pou borei na to kanei, ego den exo xrono, > alla an mou to dosei etoimo, exo fototipiko na to vgalo kammia 200aria > fores. > > tafta. > Γεια σας παιδιά! Εγώ δυστυχώς δεν θα μπορέσω να παραβρεθώ στο happening ούτε σαν απλός επισκέπτης, παρακολουθώ όμως την προσπάθειά σας "εκ του μακρόθεν" και τη βρίσκω - τουλάχιστον - αξιέπαινη. Επί του διαταύτα τώρα, την ιδέα του φίλου Ευριπίδη τη βρίσκω όχι μόνο καλή, αλλά και απαραίτητη προς υλοποίηση. Συγκεκριμένα, σκεπτόμουν κι εγώ το ίδιο πράγμα: "όσα CD κι αν έχουν μαζέψει, μέσα σε μία ώρα δεν θα μείνει ούτε ένα!" Αν όμως όποιος ή όποια πρόκειται να πάρει CD "ξοδεύει" και πέντε λεπτάκια στον πάγκο για το ερωτηματολόγιο κι ένα "γεια", τότε αλλάζει... Τέλος, νομίζω ότι καλό θα ήταν στο ερωτηματολόγιο να μην ζητάται e-mail ή να είναι προεραιτικό. Πιστεύω ότι πολλοί απλοί ή/και νέοι χρήστες είναι κάπως καχύποπτοι - ίσως και με το δίκιο τους, μ' αυτά που ακούνε να γίνονται κατά καιρούς... Christos Varelas, Ph.D. candidate in A.I., LPIS Group, Department of Informatics, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, 54006, Macedonia, Greece. From axrst at bbs.home Sun Dec 6 15:01:03 1998 From: axrst at bbs.home (Xristos Athanasopoulos) Date: 6 Dec 1998 13:01:03 GMT Subject: kati akoma prin to happening References: <36696E33.7CFEB68B@ametro.gr> Message-ID: In article <36696E33.7CFEB68B at ametro.gr>, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: >kai tetoia, oste opoios thelei prin parei to cdaki tou na simplironei, >na kathetai esto 5 sec sto periptero, na ton doume. > >an nai .... iparxei kapoios pou borei na to kanei, ego den exo xrono, >alla an mou to dosei etoimo, exo fototipiko na to vgalo kammia 200aria >fores. Mporw na to kanw egw kai na sto steilw se xarty typwmeno kai na kaneis antigrafa. Mhn mperdeytoyme omws kai to kanei kanas allos... An einai pes moy kai ayrio sto stelnw me courier.... Xrst. From memas at otenet.gr Sun Dec 6 15:24:47 1998 From: memas at otenet.gr (Gerassimos Toumazatos) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 15:24:47 +0200 Subject: kati akoma prin to happening References: <36696E33.7CFEB68B@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <366A859F.A01D1D9@otenet.gr> Geia sas paidia. sxetika me to erwthmatologio ua mporousame na rwtame proairetika thn e-mail address giati sigoyra kapoioi ua einai kaxypoptoi opws anefere kai o Christos Varelas. Ua mporoyse omws kai na yparxei mia erwthsh toy styl "Ua uelate na sas enhmerwnoyme me e-mail gia oti kainoyrgio sto linux ? " h kati tetoio. Epeita ua stelname mail gia to kainoyrgio teyxos tou magaz, gia kainoyrgies ekdoseis h otidhpote allo nomizete oti ua mporouse na endiaferei ena entelws neo. Gerassimos. From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Dec 7 10:47:33 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:47:33 +0200 (EET) Subject: Magaz #10 In-Reply-To: <3668832F.86B5E4B3@math.upatras.gr> Message-ID: > > Sto www.linux.gr/magaz to link sto editorial gia thn forma ervthshs > einai broken O.k. thanks tha diorthothei syntoma. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis FORTHnet Technical Department mkab at forthnet.gr ----------------------------- From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Dec 7 11:02:50 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:02:50 +0200 (EET) Subject: selides melon kai index In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981204165538.007db260@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: > > oi selides aftes 8a paragonte me kapio script apo ekei kai pera protino > ta e3is: > 1) > apo ki kai pera nomizo (ektos an iparxei kapio alo provlima diaxiristiko > pou 8a mas pei o mixalis)o ka8enas as katevasei tin selida tou na > tin ala3ei opos nomizei mesa sta plesi atis es8itikis tou hellug kai > enoite oti den 8a ginei home page kai mou tin stelnei na tin anevaso > > 2) > episis mia idea ine: > opios 8elei mporei sto link apo to onomatou na vgenei > i dikitou home page kai oxi i default selida sto hellug Protimw to 1o, gia na exoume koini (ligo - poly) emfanisi. > > episis gia to provlima me tis roufixtres emails ton > spamers exete na protinete tipota ?? Nai, ayto pou proteine o Basilis Terzopoulos, kai gia tin lista pou "anarteitai" sto magaz. Diladi, se dyo diaforetikes stiles, XWRIS url mailto: Nomizw oti opoios thelei na steilei mail, mporei na to kanei kai xwris link :-) > ego vlepo 4 pragmata : > > 1) Na min exoume ka8olou index me meloi kai link para mono > anazitisi (malon den leei) Asximo. > > 2) apo to index stis selides na pigenei me javascript link > (isos provlimatiko gia kapious browser) As to apofygoume kalytera > > 3) na min exei ka8olou mail pano stin selida ala ena koumpi > pou na stelnei mail me CGI (ligo parapano doulia :-) ) Ki ayto as to apofygoume. Ase de pou pali prepei na grafeis to e-mail mesa stin selida. > > 4) Na min kanoume tipota (to kalitero varieme na ftiaxno :-) ) > > Tempeli!!! > afta. Ki apo mena. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr From kremidas at lrf.gr Mon Dec 7 16:21:22 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:21:22 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) Education and Training News 7th December 1998 Message-ID: <199812072224.OAA06684@www.lrf.gr> To parakato einai apo ena newsletter kai leei gia Linux...se 140.000 !!! sxoleia... Send reply to: "Education and Training Sector's Project Co-ordinators E-mail list" From: Mathy Vanbuel Subject: Education and Training News 7th December 1998 To: TAPETCOO-L at LIST.ECOTEC.COM T H I S W E E K ' S N E W S >From the European Commission Education and Training Sector of the Telematics Applications Programme and the Educational Multimedia Task Force Monday 7th December 1998 http://www2.echo.lu/telematics/education/en/news/main1.html http://www2.echo.lu/emtf/currentnewsemtf.html ---------------------------------------- LINUX in Mexican schools In another battle for the open-source software movement, the Mexican government said that it plans to install the free Linux operating system in 140,000 elementary- and middle-school computer labs around the country. Over the next five years, the government's Scholar Net program will furnish Mexican students with access to the Web and email, as well as word processors and spreadsheets. Linux has grown increasingly popular among server administrators as an inexpensive and flexible alternative to Windows NT. Partly because of limited software availability, however, the Linux Operating System hasn't yet taken off in educational or business networks. The savings the Mexican government hopes to achieve by not opting for commercial available systemware is estimated to be well over 80 Million Euro. ---------------------------------------- Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com kremidas at hellug.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From fm94 at freemail.gr Mon Dec 7 17:20:07 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Konstantinos) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:20:07 +0200 Subject: Nick Names Melon Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981207172007.00805e30@teemail.tee.gr> TA parakato meloi den exoun email ston HELLUG parakalo enimeroste gia to Nick name pou 8elete kai gia to pou 8a ginete forward gia na enimeroso en sinexeia kai go tin vasi opote na emfanizete to email sas stin lista. --------------------------------------- ARAXWBAS NIKOS KYRIAZOPOYLOS IWANNHS MOYZOYRELLHS GEWRGIOS FLOYRHS MIXALHS GKLABAS ORESTHS KATSIFOS NIKOS TOYMAZATOS GERASIMOS XATZHMIXAHL PANAGIWTHS SIAGKRH BASW PAPAMIXELAKHS GEWRGIOS LOYMIDHS PANAGIWTHS XWMATAS GRHGORHS ARMENHS NIKOS --------------------------------------- From voulariba at ametro.gr Mon Dec 7 23:31:32 1998 From: voulariba at ametro.gr (Voula Sanida) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:31:32 +0200 Subject: peri Linux Journal Message-ID: <366C4934.39AE9EEB@ametro.gr> dekemvriou. exei arthro gia to xisp tou Dimitri tou Boura. Dimitri eftases sta megala salonia :-) -- *********************************** Do you really want to pay the Bill? Voula Sanida reply-to : voulariba at hellug.gr http://linux.airtour.gr *********************************** From memas at otenet.gr Mon Dec 7 20:38:31 1998 From: memas at otenet.gr (Gerassimos Toumazatos) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:38:31 +0200 Subject: Nick Names Melon References: <3.0.5.32.19981207172007.00805e30@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <366C20A7.92B6B6A9@otenet.gr> Maistrelis Konstantinos wrote: > TA parakato meloi den exoun email ston HELLUG > parakalo enimeroste gia to Nick name pou 8elete > kai gia to pou 8a ginete forward gia na enimeroso > en sinexeia kai go tin vasi opote na emfanizete > to email sas stin lista. > > --------------------------------------- > > TOYMAZATOS GERASIMOS > Ennoeis ua paroume mail me katalhjh .hellug.gr?Giati prwth fora akoyw kati tetoio. An einai auto tote egw ua huela na eimai "memas" kai forward na ginetai sto memas at otenet.gr An katalaba lauos syggnwmh. Gerassimos > ------------------------------------ From bcostas at hol.gr Mon Dec 7 23:54:41 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:54:41 +0200 Subject: Nick Names Melon References: <3.0.5.32.19981207172007.00805e30@teemail.tee.gr> <366C20A7.92B6B6A9@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <366C4EA1.452874B8@hol.gr> Gerassimos Toumazatos wrote: > Maistrelis Konstantinos wrote: > > > TA parakato meloi den exoun email ston HELLUG > > parakalo enimeroste gia to Nick name pou 8elete > > kai gia to pou 8a ginete forward gia na enimeroso > > en sinexeia kai go tin vasi opote na emfanizete > > to email sas stin lista. > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > > TOYMAZATOS GERASIMOS > > > > Ennoeis ua paroume mail me katalhjh .hellug.gr?Giati prwth fora akoyw > kati tetoio. Mpa to eixan pei kai paliotera, amesws molis anelave to DS. Mallon den 6a to prosekses. From memas at otenet.gr Mon Dec 7 23:58:50 1998 From: memas at otenet.gr (Gerassimos Toumazatos) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:58:50 +0200 Subject: Nick Names Melon References: <3.0.5.32.19981207172007.00805e30@teemail.tee.gr> <366C20A7.92B6B6A9@otenet.gr> <366C4EA1.452874B8@hol.gr> Message-ID: <366C4F9A.86CD7F82@otenet.gr> Costas wrote: > > > Mpa to eixan pei kai paliotera, amesws molis anelave to DS. Mallon den 6a > to prosekses. Egw poy eimai parajenos kai typikos grafthka sth lista afoy eklexuhke to D.S.. kai afoy gnwrisa dyo eklekta toy melh :) Gerassimos From kyr-john at geocities.com Tue Dec 8 15:20:29 1998 From: kyr-john at geocities.com (Kyriazopoulos Ioannis) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:20:29 +0200 Subject: Nick Names Melon Message-ID: <199812081321.FAA09272@geocities.com> gia xara ε)) sorry gia tin apousia mou.... ma poles douleies .. ;(( 8a i8ela na exw e-mai kyr_john at hellug.gr kai na ginete forward ... sto n kyr_john at raindrop.gr Thanks ε) kyriazopoulos Ioannis ---------- >From: Maistrelis Konstantinos >To: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr >Subject: Nick Names Melon >Date: 07 ’ΒΞΒΜ 1998 17:20 > >TA parakato meloi den exoun email ston HELLUG >parakalo enimeroste gia to Nick name pou 8elete >kai gia to pou 8a ginete forward gia na enimeroso >en sinexeia kai go tin vasi opote na emfanizete >to email sas stin lista. > >--------------------------------------- >ARAXWBAS NIKOS >KYRIAZOPOYLOS IWANNHS >MOYZOYRELLHS GEWRGIOS > >FLOYRHS MIXALHS >GKLABAS ORESTHS >KATSIFOS >NIKOS >TOYMAZATOS GERASIMOS >XATZHMIXAHL PANAGIWTHS >SIAGKRH > BASW >PAPAMIXELAKHS GEWRGIOS >LOYMIDHS PANAGIWTHS > >XWMATAS GRHGORHS >ARMENHS >NIKOS >--------------------------------------- > From step at otenet.gr Tue Dec 8 17:23:09 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:23:09 +0200 Subject: Nick Names Melon References: <3.0.5.32.19981207172007.00805e30@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <366D445D.C0624A9F@otenet.gr> Maistrelis Konstantinos wrote: > TA parakato meloi den exoun email ston HELLUG > parakalo enimeroste gia to Nick name pou 8elete > kai gia to pou 8a ginete forward gia na enimeroso > en sinexeia kai go tin vasi opote na emfanizete > to email sas stin lista. > > --------------------------------------- > ARAXWBAS NIKOS > KYRIAZOPOYLOS IWANNHS > MOYZOYRELLHS GEWRGIOS > > FLOYRHS MIXALHS > GKLABAS ORESTHS > KATSIFOS > NIKOS > TOYMAZATOS GERASIMOS > XATZHMIXAHL PANAGIWTHS > SIAGKRH > BASW > PAPAMIXELAKHS GEWRGIOS > LOYMIDHS PANAGIWTHS > > XWMATAS GRHGORHS > ARMENHS > NIKOS Na deis pou sto telos tha echoume tosa e-mail pou den tha thimomaste ! loipon geo at hellug.gr kai forward sto step at step.gr Me filikous cheretismous George Papamichelakis > > --------------------------------------- From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Dec 8 18:09:57 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:09:57 +0200 (EET) Subject: Nick Names Melon In-Reply-To: <199812081321.FAA09272@geocities.com> Message-ID: Oi kyr_john at hellug.gr kai geo at hellug.gr einai etoimoi. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr From gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr Wed Dec 9 02:47:53 1998 From: gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr (Giorgos Mouzourellis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 02:47:53 +0200 Subject: Nick Names Melon In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981207172007.00805e30@teemail.tee.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981209024753.00952c30@mailgate.forthnet.gr> At 05:20 ?? 7/12/1998 +0200, you wrote: >TA parakato meloi den exoun email ston HELLUG >parakalo enimeroste gia to Nick name pou 8elete >kai gia to pou 8a ginete forward gia na enimeroso >en sinexeia kai go tin vasi opote na emfanizete >to email sas stin lista. > >--------------------------------------- >ARAXWBAS NIKOS >KYRIAZOPOYLOS IWANNHS >MOYZOYRELLHS GEWRGIOS > Esteila prosopiko mail sto filtato Maistreli. Alla gia na mhn ginei kana lathos ta grafo kai edo. San nick thelo to "gmouzo " kai na ginetai forward sto " gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr ". Eyxaristo Giorgos ----------------- From step at otenet.gr Wed Dec 9 09:51:46 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:51:46 +0200 Subject: peri Linux Journal References: <366C4934.39AE9EEB@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <366E2C12.2A884C14@otenet.gr> Kalo einai auto :-) ante kai se pio megala salonia akoma ! Voula Sanida wrote: > dekemvriou. > exei arthro gia to xisp tou Dimitri tou Boura. > Dimitri eftases sta megala salonia :-) > > -- > *********************************** > Do you really want to pay the Bill? > > Voula Sanida > reply-to : voulariba at hellug.gr > http://linux.airtour.gr > *********************************** From kabrianis at hellug.gr Wed Dec 9 10:07:52 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:07:52 +0200 (EET) Subject: Nick Names Melon In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981209024753.00952c30@mailgate.forthnet.gr> Message-ID: On 09-Dec-98 Giorgos Mouzourellis wrote: > At 05:20 μμ 7/12/1998 +0200, you wrote: >>TA parakato meloi den exoun email ston HELLUG >>parakalo enimeroste gia to Nick name pou 8elete >>kai gia to pou 8a ginete forward gia na enimeroso >>en sinexeia kai go tin vasi opote na emfanizete >>to email sas stin lista. >> >>--------------------------------------- >>ARAXWBAS NIKOS >>KYRIAZOPOYLOS IWANNHS >>MOYZOYRELLHS GEWRGIOS >> > > Esteila prosopiko mail sto filtato Maistreli. > Alla gia na mhn ginei kana lathos ta grafo kai edo. > San nick thelo to "gmouzo " kai na ginetai > forward sto " gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr ". > > Eyxaristo Giorgos > ----------------- Etoimos Giorgo. Kai gia tous ypolopous, yparxei to aliases at hellug.gr opou mporeite na stelnete ayta ta mails, gia na enimerwnontai osoi ta ftiaxnoun. Thanks ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr Wed Dec 9 09:43:22 1998 From: ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:43:22 +0200 Subject: Nick Names Melon References: <3.0.5.32.19981209024753.00952c30@mailgate.forthnet.gr> Message-ID: <366E2A1A.41C6@cc.uoi.gr> Giorgos Mouzourellis wrote: > Esteila prosopiko mail sto filtato Maistreli. > Alla gia na mhn ginei kana lathos ta grafo kai edo. > San nick thelo to "gmouzo " kai na ginetai > forward sto " gmouzo at ath.forthnet.gr ". > Eyxaristo Giorgos > ----------------- Ta eftiaxa ta aliases, alla kalytera na stelnete mail sto aliases at hellug.gr para stin lista. --nikos From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Dec 9 16:54:13 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:54:13 +0200 Subject: O SYLLOGOS EINAI EPISIMOS PLEON Message-ID: <366E8F15.294CEDF1@ametro.gr> me pire o dikigoros mas. teleiosame !!!!!!!!!! to dimosiefse edo kai kana divdomado leei stin estia kai se kapoia alli mikri efimerida kathoti me to antigrafo ton efimeridon pas sto protodikeio kai mono meta apo afto perneis ta xartia sou. oi megales eixan terastia anamoni gia dimosiefsi (+eksoda). avrio pao na ton vro, na paro ta xartia mas kai na kleisoume oti (oikonomikes kirios) ekremmotites exoume. E. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Dec 9 17:11:12 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:11:12 +0200 Subject: kai alla cds Message-ID: <366E9310.32DB9F85@ametro.gr> mallon apo caldera. elava eidopiisi na pao sto taxidromeio. avrio tha sas po ti mazepsame. evripidis. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Dec 9 18:56:54 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:56:54 +0200 Subject: peri filladiou kai Xristou Athanasopoulou Message-ID: <366EABD6.38F34BE5@ametro.gr> xristo kapoio provlima exeis me to email sou. i voula sou eixe steilei to parakato kai den eftase pote. sto stelno sti lista .... anamenoume.... ksero poso tapeino kai xamerpes tha akoustei,alla gia na min plironeis courier klp, boreis na to kaneis se ... se .... WORD na valeis kai to hellug logo kapou pano, kai ena titlo tou styl "Erotimatologio" i kati tetoio, merikes erotiseis san aftes pou mas noiazoun onoma, ilikia, epaggelma, pc type, linux user? linux spiti? linux douleia? thes info gia hellug? email? URL? tetoia kai sto kato meros mia grammoula me tis diefthinsis mas os site. px.: ______________________________ www.hellug.gr www.linux.gr From kabrianis at hellug.gr Thu Dec 10 11:17:32 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:17:32 +0200 (EET) Subject: peri filladiou kai Xristou Athanasopoulou In-Reply-To: <366EABD6.38F34BE5@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 09-Dec-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > xristo kapoio provlima exeis me to email sou. > i voula sou eixe steilei to parakato kai den eftase pote. > sto stelno sti lista .... > anamenoume.... > > > ksero poso tapeino kai xamerpes tha akoustei,alla gia na min plironeis > courier klp, boreis na to kaneis se ... se .... WORD na valeis kai to > hellug logo kapou pano, kai ena titlo tou styl "Erotimatologio" i kati > tetoio, merikes erotiseis san aftes pou mas noiazoun > onoma, ilikia, epaggelma, pc type, linux user? linux spiti? linux > douleia? thes info gia hellug? email? URL? tetoia > kai sto kato meros mia grammoula me tis diefthinsis mas os site. px.: > > > > ______________________________ > www.hellug.gr www.linux.gr Xristo, an den to exeis ksekinisei, min to ksekinas. Tha to kanw egw. An bebaia to exeis ksekinisei, alli ypothesi. Enimerwse me omws Ayta. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From futurekids at fkamaliada.gr Thu Dec 10 17:58:08 1998 From: futurekids at fkamaliada.gr (FUTUREKIDS Amaliada) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:58:08 +0200 Subject: peri filladiou kai Xristou Athanasopoulou References: <366EABD6.38F34BE5@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <366FEF90.1AD07A4C@fkamaliada.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > xristo kapoio provlima exeis me to email sou. > i voula sou eixe steilei to parakato kai den eftase pote. > sto stelno sti lista .... > anamenoume.... Re paidia, sygnvmh, alla den ftaiw egw oyte to mail moy... o #$@%@#$%@#$% o internet provider moy ftaiei. Den mporw na synde8w me linux (diabaste sxetika sthn linux greek users kai boh8hste oso mporeite) kai den mporw na parw ara to mail moy me uucp. Twra mphka apo ta kataramena kai diabasa ta newsgroups. > Oson afora to fylladio, as to kanei o Mixalhs, mias ki egw den jerw pote 8a jemperdecw me to problhma poy exw... Xrst. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Dec 11 15:57:20 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:57:20 +0200 Subject: gia 19 dek: eftase kai i RedHat Message-ID: <367124C0.9F739558@ametro.gr> alla oxi tipota ogkodes (opos tis SuSE) milame gia 2 full paketa RH5.2, 3 full paketa Linux RedHat various (intel,sparc,alpha), 1 paketo LDP,HOWTOs etc kai polla filladia enimerotika, diafimistika kai RedHat Stickers. Evris p.s. Paidia, kathe linuxas pou sevetai ton eafto tou :-) tha prepei nomizo na'xei kai to posteraki tou i to blouzaki tou. gia na pronoisoun osoi den pronoisan. emeis sas proeidopoioume: exoume kapelo piguino. kanoniste. From nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr Fri Dec 11 16:46:28 1998 From: nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr (Kaminakis Nikos) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:46:28 +0200 (EET) Subject: gia 19 dek: eftase kai i RedHat In-Reply-To: <367124C0.9F739558@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > alla oxi tipota ogkodes (opos tis SuSE) > > milame gia 2 full paketa RH5.2, 3 full paketa Linux RedHat various > (intel,sparc,alpha), 1 paketo LDP,HOWTOs etc kai polla filladia > enimerotika, diafimistika kai RedHat Stickers. > > Evris > > p.s. Paidia, kathe linuxas pou sevetai ton eafto tou :-) tha prepei > nomizo na'xei kai to posteraki tou i to blouzaki tou. gia na pronoisoun > osoi den pronoisan. emeis sas proeidopoioume: exoume kapelo piguino. > kanoniste. > mporei to hellug na vgalei mplouzakia gia ta melh tou ? etsi me to Shma tou Hellug apo piso kai ena pigouino apo mprosta ... 0a einai kalh fash nikolas From kabrianis at hellug.gr Fri Dec 11 17:31:28 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:31:28 +0200 (EET) Subject: Mplouzakia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11-Dec-98 Kaminakis Nikos wrote: >> > mporei to hellug na vgalei mplouzakia gia ta melh tou ? > etsi me to Shma tou Hellug apo piso kai ena pigouino apo mprosta ... > > 0a einai kalh fash > > nikolas Emm, to skeftomaste, alla epeidi o syllogos den exei lefta gia mpixlimpidia (metaksy twn opoiwn katatassoume kai ta mplouzakia) kai oute tha mporesei na ta bgalei me tis 2.000 syndromi, skeftomaste na bgaloume kapoia mplouzakia (kamia 20ria) ta opoia tha dinontai ws dwro se opoion exei tin kali diathesi na dwsei mia dwrea as poume 3.000 drx ston syllogo (to poso einai tyxaio. To pragmatiko tha einai to kostos twn t-shirts gia ta meli.) Peite mas idees simera ayrio, an einai na pame ayrio na ta parageilloume ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From thalis at hal.csd.auth.gr Fri Dec 11 17:50:44 1998 From: thalis at hal.csd.auth.gr (Thalis Kalfigopoulos) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:50:44 +0200 (EET) Subject: gia 19 dek: eftase kai i RedHat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Kaminakis Nikos wrote: > On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > > alla oxi tipota ogkodes (opos tis SuSE) > > > > milame gia 2 full paketa RH5.2, 3 full paketa Linux RedHat various > > (intel,sparc,alpha), 1 paketo LDP,HOWTOs etc kai polla filladia > > enimerotika, diafimistika kai RedHat Stickers. > > > > Evris > > > > p.s. Paidia, kathe linuxas pou sevetai ton eafto tou :-) tha prepei > > nomizo na'xei kai to posteraki tou i to blouzaki tou. gia na pronoisoun > > osoi den pronoisan. emeis sas proeidopoioume: exoume kapelo piguino. > > kanoniste. > > > mporei to hellug na vgalei mplouzakia gia ta melh tou ? > etsi me to Shma tou Hellug apo piso kai ena pigouino apo mprosta ... > > 0a einai kalh fash > > nikolas Den katalavainw giati na einai mono gia ta melh tou hellug? Den 8elw na fanw epi8etikos alla den egine to hellug gia na exoun kapoia pronomoia ta melh tou. Akrivws to anti8eto 8a eprepe na epidiwketai. Oti ginetai dhladh, na exei san stoxo autoys pou den einai melh tou - asxetous me to linux. Kante blouzakia kai pouleiste ta se olous kai me ta xrhmata kante kati allo gia to linux. Advertise! filakia thalis From bakira at new-europe.gr Fri Dec 11 17:59:45 1998 From: bakira at new-europe.gr (Katsifos Nikolaos) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:59:45 +0200 (EET) Subject: Mplouzakia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Symfono me to mlouzaki me mia mikrh epifylaksh... T-shirt & kataxeimono exei kapoio mikro praktiko provlhma.. O pigkouinos antexei sto kryo..... EMEIS ????? Nikos On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > On 11-Dec-98 Kaminakis Nikos wrote: > >> > > mporei to hellug na vgalei mplouzakia gia ta melh tou ? > > etsi me to Shma tou Hellug apo piso kai ena pigouino apo mprosta ... > > > > 0a einai kalh fash > > > > nikolas > > > Emm, to skeftomaste, alla epeidi o syllogos den exei lefta gia mpixlimpidia > (metaksy twn opoiwn katatassoume kai ta mplouzakia) kai oute tha mporesei na ta > bgalei me tis 2.000 syndromi, skeftomaste na bgaloume kapoia mplouzakia (kamia > 20ria) ta opoia tha dinontai ws dwro se opoion exei tin kali diathesi na dwsei > mia dwrea as poume 3.000 drx ston syllogo (to poso einai tyxaio. To pragmatiko > tha einai to kostos twn t-shirts gia ta meli.) > > Peite mas idees simera ayrio, an einai na pame ayrio na ta parageilloume > > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr > ----------------------------- > From kabrianis at hellug.gr Fri Dec 11 17:57:06 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:57:06 +0200 (EET) Subject: gia 19 dek: eftase kai i RedHat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> > >> mporei to hellug na vgalei mplouzakia gia ta melh tou ? >> etsi me to Shma tou Hellug apo piso kai ena pigouino apo mprosta ... >> >> 0a einai kalh fash >> >> nikolas > > Den katalavainw giati na einai mono gia ta melh tou hellug? Den 8elw na fanw > epi8etikos alla den egine to hellug gia na exoun kapoia pronomoia ta melh > tou. Akrivws to anti8eto 8a eprepe na epidiwketai. Oti ginetai dhladh, na > exei san stoxo autoys pou den einai melh tou - asxetous me to linux. Kante > blouzakia kai pouleiste ta se olous kai me ta xrhmata kante kati allo gia to > linux. Advertise! > > > filakia > thalis Thali, mallon den diabases to mail. Ayto eipame, na bgoun kai na poulithoun. Theloume omws feedback. Min ta bgaloume kai mas meinoune (prosekste oti o syllogos den exei dikaioma na kanei pwliseis, opote gi' ayto to ethesa ypo tin morfi tis dwreas). ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr Fri Dec 11 18:03:08 1998 From: nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr (Kaminakis Nikos) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:03:08 +0200 (EET) Subject: Mplouzakia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > On 11-Dec-98 Kaminakis Nikos wrote: > >> > > mporei to hellug na vgalei mplouzakia gia ta melh tou ? > > etsi me to Shma tou Hellug apo piso kai ena pigouino apo mprosta ... > > > > 0a einai kalh fash > > > > nikolas > > > Emm, to skeftomaste, alla epeidi o syllogos den exei lefta gia mpixlimpidia > (metaksy twn opoiwn katatassoume kai ta mplouzakia) kai oute tha mporesei na ta > bgalei me tis 2.000 syndromi, skeftomaste na bgaloume kapoia mplouzakia (kamia > 20ria) ta opoia tha dinontai ws dwro se opoion exei tin kali diathesi na dwsei > mia dwrea as poume 3.000 drx ston syllogo (to poso einai tyxaio. To pragmatiko > tha einai to kostos twn t-shirts gia ta meli.) > > Peite mas idees simera ayrio, an einai na pame ayrio na ta parageilloume > > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr > ----------------------------- > nta3ei den leme se prwth fash to hellug na ta dwsei dwrean alla ama einai na dhlwsoume posoi 0eloume na paroume mplouzakia kai na paragkyloume. osoi paragkyloun desmeuontai oti 0a dwsoun kai ta xrhmata pou analogoun. twra oso afora to ti 0a exei panw to ka0e mplouzaki isws ena wraio 3D shma tou hellug apo piso sthn plath kai ena pigkouino apo mprosta....me ena slogan tou linux p.x Dont fear the pinguins, kati tetoio.... auta .... ta leme tote sas nikolas From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Dec 11 18:03:48 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:03:48 +0200 Subject: gia 19 dek: eftase kai i RedHat References: Message-ID: <36714264.B15E6FEA@ametro.gr> > Den katalavainw giati na einai mono gia ta melh tou hellug? Den 8elw na fanw epi8etikos alla den egine to hellug gia na exoun kapoia pronomoia ta melh tou. Akrivws to anti8eto 8a eprepe na epidiwketai. Oti ginetai dhladh, na exei san stoxo autoys pou den einai melh tou - asxetous me to linux. Kante blouzakia kai pouleiste ta se olous kai me ta xrhmata kante kati allo gia to linux. Advertise! ok! sostos. anamenoume ta lefta sou gia arxiki dokimastiki paraggelia 1000 blouzakion epi 3.000 to ena (approx 3.000.000) kai meta pes mou pou tha eisai, poies ores, se poio xoro, kai pote ta poulas na sou steilo ena filo mou pou isos thelei, na ta dei kai an exeis to noumero tou, xroma tou, kai oraia eikona tipomeni, na agorasei ena! prosoxi: aftos kanei kai agrio oikonomiko pazari. min se riksei efkola. ti thelo na po: afto to kante blouzakia exei kostos se xrima kai xrono, kai den boroume me ta 50.000 mas na to kanoume gia olous. alla an kapoios apo tous hellug members thelei ena blouzaki pou kseroume pos tha to parei, den einai risko na valo apo tin tsepi mou 2.000 kai xrono na pao na tou to tiposos kai otan ton do antallasoume. edo ena disko theloume na paroume gia na doulevoun oi listes, o server klp kai psaxnoume 40.000 (telika mas ton ekanan dorea) makari oxi apla blouzakia alla kai aftokinita linux na'xame na diname. > > filakia > thalis agalitses. From yang at hellug.gr Fri Dec 11 18:33:09 1998 From: yang at hellug.gr (Yannis Giftomitros) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:33:09 +0200 Subject: Mplouzakia References: Message-ID: <36714945.E441301@hellug.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > Emm, to skeftomaste, alla epeidi o syllogos den exei lefta gia mpixlimpidia > (metaksy twn opoiwn katatassoume kai ta mplouzakia) kai oute tha mporesei na ta > bgalei me tis 2.000 syndromi, skeftomaste na bgaloume kapoia mplouzakia (kamia > 20ria) ta opoia tha dinontai ws dwro se opoion exei tin kali diathesi na dwsei > mia dwrea as poume 3.000 drx ston syllogo (to poso einai tyxaio. To pragmatiko > tha einai to kostos twn t-shirts gia ta meli.) > > Peite mas idees simera ayrio, an einai na pame ayrio na ta parageilloume > > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr > ----------------------------- egw eimai mesa... oso gia thn timh,as einai kai ligo panw apo to kostos na mhnei kai kana frago gia to sylogo. den ksero lew.................. -- Yannis............ yang at acropolis.net yang at hellug.gr From epapakostas at ametro.gr Fri Dec 11 18:45:58 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:45:58 +0200 Subject: MPLOUZAKIA AGAIN References: Message-ID: <36714C46.DDD1BA55@ametro.gr> mia pou to thema me ta blouzakia einai hot kai eixame rotisei kai paliotera, thelo na po kati pou nomizo pos tha eprepe na einai o genikoteros tropos pou ta pragmata ginontai se syllogous san ton diko mas: opoios thelei na to analavei (ALL THE WAY) as pei (ennoo print tis eikones pou tha apofasisoume se sosto megethos, find blouzaki print store, katevei ekei ena proi, kanonisei timi, mazepsei simmetoxes, megethi, xromata klp kai fisika na ta ferei prin apo tis 12 to savato sti stournari, kai na mazepsei ta lefta). giati afto pou sinexeia leme "na kanoume afto i to allo, oraia tha itan to dina" stin ousia xreiazetai ektos apo tin idea kai kapoiou ton xrono. Idees exoume oloi, ston xrono ta xalame. den boroume na diataksoume "kanto esy" prepei apo monos tou kapoios na prosferthei. alloios den ginetai! se tetoia periptosi, afou exoume ton anthropo pou tha to kanei, an kapoioi endiaferontai gia blouzes, to hellug exei me xara na tou dosei 70.000 (p.x. 25 blouzes) pou exei, gia na min xreiastei o X ethelontis na ta valei kai apo tin tsepi tou. an einai parapano ta lefta, i ta vazei kapoios apo tin tsepi tou kai ta pairnei kata tin polisi, i ta mazevoume pali os sillogos me dorees prin tin paraggelia. pantos mou fainetai diskolo na to prolavoume, alla isos mono ego exo aftin tin apopsi (pou einai sindedemeni me to poso elefthero xrono exo). an kapoios allos (apo tous 45 mas) pistevei to antitheto me xara na to analavei kai na me vgalei apaisiodokso tou kerata. an ginei kati tetoio kai vrethei kapoios na to analavei thelo na dilotho gia 2 Large. Ena gia mena kai ena gia tin voula (aneksartita apo to ti tha lene pano tous, xroma klp, kai safos na doso *dorea* to kostos kai kati parapano na min exoume kai adeio tameio) alla sigoura oute prolavaino oute thelo na to analavo. From kabrianis at hellug.gr Fri Dec 11 22:35:19 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:35:19 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Mplouzakia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199812112125.VAA02088@mk.aua.gr> On 11-Dec-98 Katsifos Nikolaos wrote: > > > > Symfono me to mlouzaki me mia mikrh epifylaksh... > T-shirt & kataxeimono exei kapoio mikro praktiko provlhma.. > O pigkouinos antexei sto kryo..... > EMEIS ????? > > Nikos > Swstos. Ara blouzakia kai an broume kai kollegiaka? Profanws to kostos den einai idio bebaia. Perimenoume akoma dilwseis endiaferontos... Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr From kabrianis at hellug.gr Sat Dec 12 16:12:49 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:12:49 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Mplouzakia Message-ID: <199812121502.PAA02450@mk.aua.gr> Geia sas, epeidi den mporousame na paroume eythyni gia allous logw timwn, exoume ta eksis: To Footer (kollegiaki) kanei 8.900 To T-shirt kanei 3.900 To makrymaniko T-shirt kanei 5.900 Oi stampes, einai sto T-shirt factory , d/nsi Solonos 121 Athina. Opoios thelei na paei na parei, na zitisei mplouza me ton pingouino (kserei o idioktitis) Ayta. Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sun Dec 13 12:29:26 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:29:26 +0200 Subject: to VIMA milise Message-ID: <36739706.AE71EF94@ametro.gr> gia to linux, liga gia to hellug, ti filosofia mas klp. na to parete. einai poli iper mas. episis to tilefono pou tha deite einai tou spitiou mou kai sas pliroforo oti alitheia xtipaei kiriakatika gia erotiseis!!!!!! E. From exindari at math.upatras.gr Sun Dec 13 19:10:28 1998 From: exindari at math.upatras.gr (John Exidaridis) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:10:28 +0000 Subject: to VIMA milise References: <36739706.AE71EF94@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3673F504.310BE45@math.upatras.gr> Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > > gia to linux, liga gia to hellug, ti filosofia mas klp. > > na to parete. einai poli iper mas. > > episis to tilefono pou tha deite einai tou spitiou mou kai sas pliroforo > oti alitheia xtipaei kiriakatika gia erotiseis!!!!!! > > E. To eidame to eidame !!. Poly kalo Poly kalo !! From roryt at hol.gr Mon Dec 14 07:36:10 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:36:10 +0200 (EET) Subject: to VIMA milise In-Reply-To: <36739706.AE71EF94@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On 13-Dec-98 Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > gia to linux, liga gia to hellug, ti filosofia mas klp. > > na to parete. einai poli iper mas. > > > episis to tilefono pou tha deite einai tou spitiou mou kai sas pliroforo > oti alitheia xtipaei kiriakatika gia erotiseis!!!!!! BTW, o arthografos einai "dikos" mas ? Giati deixnei kala plhroforhmenos I.Ioannou From roryt at hol.gr Mon Dec 14 08:34:49 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:34:49 +0200 (EET) Subject: Anakoinwsh : Matafora listas Hellug Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at lists.hellug.gr, kai h majordomo at lists.hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Opos hdh tha gnwrizete merikoi, exei ksekinisei h diadikasia metaforas twn listwn toy linux apo ton argeas sto mhxanima toy hellug. Etsi loipon ksekiname me thn lista hellug (san lista pilotos) kai tha sinexisoume me tis linux-greek-users kai linux-howto. H lista hellug tha metaferthei prwth apo ton argeas to bradi metaksi Deyteras 21 Dec kai Triths 22. Oi nees dieythinseis tha einai : majordomo at lists.hellug.gr hellug at lists.hellug.gr hellug-digest at lists.hellug.gr (ayth einai kainourgia - oles oi listes tha exoun digest lista) Tha metaferthoun aytomata ola ta melh. Eseis aplws parakaleiste opos rithmisete analoga tous mailers sas (an kai to reply tha einai aytomata pros lists.hellug.gr) Gia tis linux-greek-users kai linux-howto tha akolouthisei kainourgio minima, kai opws to ypologizw h allagh tha ginei gyrw stis arxes tou 1999 I.Ioannou From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Dec 14 09:45:16 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:45:16 +0200 Subject: to VIMA milise References: Message-ID: <3674C20C.8B62C5FF@ametro.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at lists.hellug.gr, kai h majordomo at lists.hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > BTW, o arthografos einai "dikos" mas ? Giati deixnei kala plhroforhmenos > xoris na einai dikos mas, exei gonidiaki tasi na ginei. kikloforei me SUN tsanta, einai antims, kai irthe spiti mou kai milisame (voula,ego,vryonis enantion tou) kai meta apo merikes meres ksanairthe me to pc tou kai tou valame linux os epivravefsi gia to arthro tou :-) tha'xei kati kai giaftin tin vdomada mou eipe sto vima. From nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr Mon Dec 14 12:57:46 1998 From: nickam at venus.cs.teiher.gr (Kaminakis Nikos) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:57:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: Mplouzakia In-Reply-To: <199812121502.PAA02450@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at lists.hellug.gr, kai h majordomo at lists.hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Sat, 12 Dec 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Geia sas, > epeidi den mporousame na paroume eythyni gia allous logw timwn, exoume ta eksis: > > To Footer (kollegiaki) kanei 8.900 > To T-shirt kanei 3.900 > To makrymaniko T-shirt kanei 5.900 > > Oi stampes, einai sto T-shirt factory , d/nsi Solonos 121 Athina. Opoios > thelei na paei na parei, na zitisei mplouza me ton pingouino (kserei o > idioktitis) > > Ayta. > > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr > re paidia ...exei kapoios tipota gifs gia thn stampa ?? apo periergia .. ama exei kapoios as mou sthlei se proswpiko :) to 121 einai kolonaki h' e3arxeia ??peripou se pio ypsos einai dhladh ??? euxaristw nikolas From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Dec 14 13:24:55 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:24:55 +0200 (EET) Subject: Mplouzakia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at lists.hellug.gr, kai h majordomo at lists.hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> To Footer (kollegiaki) kanei 8.900 >> To T-shirt kanei 3.900 >> To makrymaniko T-shirt kanei 5.900 >> >> Oi stampes, einai sto T-shirt factory , d/nsi Solonos 121 Athina. Opoios >> thelei na paei na parei, na zitisei mplouza me ton pingouino (kserei o >> idioktitis) >> >> Ayta. >> >> Michalis Kabrianis >> kabrianis at hellug.gr >> > re paidia ...exei kapoios tipota gifs gia thn stampa ?? > apo periergia .. > ama exei kapoios as mou sthlei se proswpiko :) > to 121 einai kolonaki h' e3arxeia ??peripou se pio ypsos einai dhladh ??? > > euxaristw > > nikolas Pros eksarxeia pio poly para pros Kolonaki. Pantws ekei exei stampes. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From tsakf at matrix.kapatel.gr Mon Dec 14 23:14:52 1998 From: tsakf at matrix.kapatel.gr (K.Tsakaloglou) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:14:52 +0200 Subject: to VIMA milise Message-ID: <01be27a6$ca64a340$0f02000a@Tsakf.kapatel.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at lists.hellug.gr, kai h majordomo at lists.hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Evripidis Papakostas To: hellug at argeas.argos.hol.gr Date: Δευτέρα, 14 Δεκεμβρίου 1998 9:55 πμ Subject: Re: to VIMA milise >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr >stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia >dieythinsi tha einai hellug at lists.hellug.gr, kai h >majordomo at lists.hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga >toys mailers sas. >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> BTW, o arthografos einai "dikos" mas ? Giati deixnei kala plhroforhmenos >> >xoris na einai dikos mas, exei gonidiaki tasi na ginei. kikloforei me >SUN tsanta, einai antims, kai irthe spiti mou kai milisame >(voula,ego,vryonis enantion tou) kai meta apo merikes meres ksanairthe >me to pc tou kai tou valame linux os epivravefsi gia to arthro tou :-) > >tha'xei kati kai giaftin tin vdomada mou eipe sto vima. > Poly orea pragmata ginontai paidia. Eida kai ego to Vima. Exo xa8ei ligo giati etoimazo kati kai eplizo syntoma na to dikso. 8a ta poyme sth Stoyrnarh. From voulariba at ametro.gr Mon Dec 14 23:53:32 1998 From: voulariba at ametro.gr (Voula Sanida) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:53:32 +0200 Subject: poios thelei na einai agios vasilis? Message-ID: <367588DC.92383697@ametro.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at lists.hellug.gr, kai h majordomo at lists.hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! vrikame stoli epitelous. i voula prosferetai men, alla mia pou eimaste genika bakouroi, min kripsoume kai tin mia apo tis dio ginaikes tou sillogou me mousia. kaneis allos? Evripidis -- *********************************** Do you really want to pay the Bill? Voula Sanida reply-to : voulariba at hellug.gr http://linux.airtour.gr *********************************** From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Dec 14 23:59:16 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:59:16 +0200 Subject: koureftika Message-ID: <36758A34.3993CCE0@ametro.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at lists.hellug.gr, kai h majordomo at lists.hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kai efprepistika kai eimai poli cool pleon.... i klarissa tou LJ (ssc publications) apo to GLUE mallon to emathe kai epitelous eimaste ena officially registered LUG (meta apo polles apopeires apotiximenes tou mixali pou opos kai na to kanoume stis ginaikes den paei poli kala). idou kai i apodeiksi tis goiteias mou: http://www.ssc.com/glue/groups/nonus/greece.html an theloume na boume sto GLUE prepei na dosoume kai peripou 10.000 drx. o gois Evris. From roryt at hol.gr Tue Dec 15 08:27:13 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:27:13 +0200 (EET) Subject: Anakoinwsh : Matafora listas Hellug Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at lists.hellug.gr, kai h majordomo at lists.hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On 14-Dec-98 I wrote: > 21 Dec kai Triths 22. Oi nees dieythinseis tha einai : > > majordomo at lists.hellug.gr > hellug at lists.hellug.gr > hellug-digest at lists.hellug.gr (ayth einai kainourgia - oles oi listes tha Mia mikrh diorthosh , oi dieythinseis einai : majordomo at hellug.gr hellug at hellug.gr hellug-digest at hellug.gr I.Ioannou From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Tue Dec 15 10:01:08 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:01:08 +0200 Subject: koureftika In-Reply-To: <36758A34.3993CCE0@ametro.gr>; from Evripidis Papakostas on Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 11:59:16PM +0200 References: <36758A34.3993CCE0@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <19981215100108.A380@i-net.paiko.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 11:59:16PM +0200, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > an theloume na boume sto GLUE prepei na dosoume kai peripou 10.000 drx. Den nomizw oti xreiazetai. Koitaxa sti selida pou ejigei giati prepei na graftoume sto glue, kai den brika kapoio kalo logo. btw. pera apo to glue yparxei to http://www.linux.org/users/groups/greece.html pou exei akomi to palio hellug... An einai kamia kopela ypeuthini ekei sygkentrwse tin goiteia sou kai katharise :) > o gois > Evris. -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at i-net.paiko.gr From kabrianis at hellug.gr Tue Dec 15 10:33:36 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:33:36 +0200 (EET) Subject: koureftika In-Reply-To: <19981215100108.A380@i-net.paiko.gr> Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On 15-Dec-98 Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr > stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia > dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. > Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > On Mon, Dec 14, 1998 at 11:59:16PM +0200, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > >> an theloume na boume sto GLUE prepei na dosoume kai peripou 10.000 drx. > Den nomizw oti xreiazetai. Koitaxa sti selida pou ejigei giati prepei na > graftoume sto glue, kai den brika kapoio kalo logo. > btw. pera apo to glue yparxei to > http://www.linux.org/users/groups/greece.html > pou exei akomi to palio hellug... An einai kamia kopela ypeuthini ekei > sygkentrwse tin goiteia sou kai katharise :) Enimerwsa egw ekei. Logika se kamia bdomada tha einai entaksei (an katalabainw kala) > >> o gois >> Evris. > > -- > > Nikos Mavroyanopoulos > nmav at i-net.paiko.gr ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From kastor at otenet.gr Wed Dec 16 19:42:18 1998 From: kastor at otenet.gr (Christos Galanis) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:42:18 +0200 Subject: Mia skepsi gia ta mplouzakia Message-ID: <3677F0FA.B1F56973@otenet.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Katarxin den stelno to mail auto apo to logariasmo mou alla apo kapoia biotexnia plekton opou vre8ika gia kapoia douleia se ena UNIX mixanima pou exoun edo (IRIX). Ego eimai o Nikos Hasiotis (hasiotis at math.upatras.gr), kai kapoioi apo esas na me gnorizoun (Exindaridis, Kleanthis ...). Loipon epeidi exo diavasei gia to 8ema pou proekipse me ta mplouzakia, eipa na proteino kai ego kati. Arxika na po oti skeftomai kati pio organomeno kai pio poiotiko se sxesi me apla mplouzakia mako i fouter. Stin viotexnia auti ftiaxnoun plekta kai exoun tin ikanotita na pleksoun pano sto plekto kai sxedia. Fisika auto den mporei na ginei mesa sti epomenes dio meres gia na prolavoume to event tou Savvatou. Episis oi times 8a einai filikes, logo tou oti 8a prosfero kai ego kapoia ergasia edo pera. Endeiktikes times gia na to skefteite einai 20-30 kommatia 10.000 drx ekasto pano apo 60 kommatia pame stis 7.000 drx pou ousiastika prokeite gia timi kostous) Nikos Hasiotis hasiotis at math.upatras.gr From mkab at forthnet.gr Thu Dec 17 11:46:43 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:46:43 +0200 (EET) Subject: To mixanima tou hellug... Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Epeidi o TUX parousiazei polla problimata (kernel errors) apofasistike apo to D.S. eite na psaksoume gia xorigo gia mixanima, i na agorasoume kainourgio, amesa. An kai yparxei periptwsi na min ftaiei (mono) to hardware, epeidi tha xreiastoume outws i allws isxyrotero mixanima (afou tha trexei panw i Postgres kai tha kanei - elpizoume - polla queries) tha to paroume to mixanima kai an synexistoun ta problimata tha arxisoume to debugging na doume ti symbainei. H allagi tha ginei apogeyma i Sabbatokyriako, prin ta Xristougenna, kai tha diarkesei maximum 1 wra. Tha enimerwtheite gia tin allagi egkairws. Etsi, pliroforiaka... Gia to D.S. Michalis Kabrianis chairman at hellug.gr From mkab at forthnet.gr Fri Dec 18 10:38:11 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:38:11 +0200 (EET) Subject: Epeigon gia Hellug Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geia sas. Epeidi to mixanima tou hellug kollaei syxna logw hardware, kai xreiazetai na kanw hard-reset POLY syxna, mexri na allaksoume mixanima (kamia bdomada ypologizw), an kserei kapoios na mou pei pws tha ginetai na kanei fsck mono tou otan sikwnetai XWRIS na stamataei kai na perimenei to root password (ena flag einai alla den kserw / den thymamai oute pou mpainei, oute poio einai), tha me ypoxrewsei. Eyxaristw. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From angelos at incredible.com Fri Dec 18 10:48:15 1998 From: angelos at incredible.com (Angelos Karageorgiou) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:48:15 +0200 (EET) Subject: Epeigon gia Hellug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Geia sas. > Epeidi to mixanima tou hellug kollaei syxna logw hardware, kai xreiazetai na > kanw hard-reset POLY syxna, mexri na allaksoume mixanima (kamia bdomada > ypologizw), an kserei kapoios na mou pei pws tha ginetai na kanei fsck mono > tou otan sikwnetai XWRIS na stamataei kai na perimenei to root password (ena > flag einai alla den kserw / den thymamai oute pou mpainei, oute poio einai), > tha me ypoxrewsei. fsck -y blah.blah.blah -- Incredible Networks LTD Angelos Karageorgiou 20 Karea st, +30.1.92.12.312 (voice) 116 36 Athens, Greece. +30.1.92.12.314 (fax) http://www.incredible.com angelos at incredible.com (e-mail) From mkab at forthnet.gr Fri Dec 18 11:05:26 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:05:26 +0200 (EET) Subject: Epeigon gia Hellug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > >> Geia sas. >> Epeidi to mixanima tou hellug kollaei syxna logw hardware, kai xreiazetai na >> kanw hard-reset POLY syxna, mexri na allaksoume mixanima (kamia bdomada >> ypologizw), an kserei kapoios na mou pei pws tha ginetai na kanei fsck mono >> tou otan sikwnetai XWRIS na stamataei kai na perimenei to root password (ena >> flag einai alla den kserw / den thymamai oute pou mpainei, oute poio einai), >> tha me ypoxrewsei. > > fsck -y blah.blah.blah > > -- > Incredible Networks LTD Angelos Karageorgiou Eyxaristw Aggele. Kai poy to grafw ayto (kapou sto fstab nomizw?) Ennow otan kanei reboot kai brei oti den eginan unmounted ta filesystems klp klp klp.... ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From angelos at incredible.com Fri Dec 18 11:41:54 1998 From: angelos at incredible.com (Angelos Karageorgiou) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:41:54 +0200 (EET) Subject: Epeigon gia Hellug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Eyxaristw Aggele. Kai poy to grafw ayto (kapou sto fstab nomizw?) Ennow otan > kanei reboot kai brei oti den eginan unmounted ta filesystems klp klp klp.... > oxi psakse mesa sto /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit j kapou ekei , exei ena comment san check filesystems , bres th grammh poy leei fsck .. kai bale to -y -- Incredible Networks LTD Angelos Karageorgiou 20 Karea st, +30.1.92.12.312 (voice) 116 36 Athens, Greece. +30.1.92.12.314 (fax) http://www.incredible.com angelos at incredible.com (e-mail) From mkab at forthnet.gr Fri Dec 18 12:36:09 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:36:09 +0200 (EET) Subject: Tux ksana Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O Tux ksanazestathike :-( Ton exw kleisei na krywsei alla psyxomaxaei. Den kserw oute pote tha sikwthei, oute AN tha sikwthei.... Sorry. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From nmav at i-net.paiko.gr Fri Dec 18 15:37:32 1998 From: nmav at i-net.paiko.gr (Mavroyanopoulos Nikos) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:37:32 +0200 Subject: Tux ksana In-Reply-To: ; from Michalis Kabrianis on Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 12:36:09PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <19981218153732.A6089@i-net.paiko.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 12:36:09PM +0200, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > O Tux ksanazestathike :-( > Ton exw kleisei na krywsei alla psyxomaxaei. > Den kserw oute pote tha sikwthei, oute AN tha sikwthei.... viagra :) Twra me tis listes ti tha kanoume? As meinoume argea mexri na xekatharistei o tux. Ti anabathmisi tha ginei ston tux, cpu only h ola? > Sorry. asygxwritos > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr > ----------------------------- -- Nikos Mavroyanopoulos nmav at i-net.paiko.gr From mkab at forthnet.gr Fri Dec 18 15:52:51 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:52:51 +0200 (EET) Subject: Tux ksana In-Reply-To: <19981218153732.A6089@i-net.paiko.gr> Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 12:36:09PM +0200, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: >> O Tux ksanazestathike :-( >> Ton exw kleisei na krywsei alla psyxomaxaei. >> Den kserw oute pote tha sikwthei, oute AN tha sikwthei.... > viagra :) Na sou pw.... Kali idea. > Twra me tis listes ti tha kanoume? As meinoume argea mexri na xekatharistei > o tux. Ti anabathmisi tha ginei ston tux, cpu only h ola? Isws xreiastei na kathysetrisei mia imera i metafora tis listas, mexri na mpei to allo mixanima epanw. An to exoume avrio to mixanima, egw tin Kyriaki to stinw. > >> Sorry. > asygxwritos To iksera oti tha mou ferosastan etsi. :-( Bouxouxou :-( (Ayta itan klamata) Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr From step at otenet.gr Fri Dec 18 20:01:19 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:01:19 +0200 Subject: Tux ksana References: Message-ID: <367A986F.39CFB1E3@otenet.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr > stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia > dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. > Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > O Tux ksanazestathike :-( > Ton exw kleisei na krywsei alla psyxomaxaei. > Den kserw oute pote tha sikwthei, oute AN tha sikwthei.... > Sorry. > > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr > ----------------------------- Ti michanima einai o tux ? kai ti tou leipei ? From roryt at hol.gr Sat Dec 19 02:02:42 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:02:42 +0200 (EET) Subject: Tux ksana In-Reply-To: Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On 18-Dec-98 Michalis Kabrianis wrote: >> Twra me tis listes ti tha kanoume? As meinoume argea mexri na xekatharistei >> o tux. Ti anabathmisi tha ginei ston tux, cpu only h ola? > > Isws xreiastei na kathysetrisei mia imera i metafora tis listas, mexri na > mpei > to allo mixanima epanw. An to exoume avrio to mixanima, egw tin Kyriaki to > stinw. Mhn agxwnosaste me tis listes. Opos 2 xronia tis eksiperetei o argeas, mporei na tis eksiperetisei gia oso diastima xreiastoume. Mono, na bgalw/allaksw to header mhn eimaste kai ektos topoy (me thn analogh anakoinwsh) ? I.Ioannou From epapakostas at ametro.gr Sun Dec 20 14:47:23 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:47:23 +0200 Subject: 2 pragmata Message-ID: <367CF1DB.FCBFC9E4@ametro.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [1] to vima kati pali exei gia Linux. kalouli einai. [2] eimaste apo oti tha katalavate up os hellug.gr pali sto kainourgio mas PII 350 From mkab at forthnet.gr Mon Dec 21 11:08:02 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:08:02 +0200 (EET) Subject: Fotografies apo happening Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Parakalountai osoi exoun trabiksei fotografies apo to happening, na epikoinwnisoun mazi mou sto kabrianis at hellug.gr gia na mou tis dwsoun na tis balw sto web :-) ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Dec 21 12:14:14 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:14:14 +0200 Subject: Fotografies apo happening References: Message-ID: <367E1F76.B6076783@ametro.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! emeis simera tha emfanisoume tis dikes mas. isos avrio na tis exoume. isos kai na tis skanaroume. isos kai na tis jpgaroume. isos kai na sou steiloume. ...me mia kali oikonomiki simfonia. alloios to linux.airtour.gr tha exei PALI tis apokleistikotites. asteievomai. otan exo tha sou doso. From step at otenet.gr Mon Dec 21 12:33:12 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:33:12 +0200 Subject: Info Message-ID: <367E23E8.B4699BD8@otenet.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can anybody explain the different between lat1.uni and lat1u.uni? To which fonts do they belong? From step at otenet.gr Mon Dec 21 12:33:12 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:33:12 +0200 Subject: Info Message-ID: <367E23E8.B4699BD8@otenet.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can anybody explain the different between lat1.uni and lat1u.uni? To which fonts do they belong? From epapakostas at ametro.gr Mon Dec 21 12:53:00 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:53:00 +0200 Subject: peri eparxias klp Message-ID: <367E288C.9F56242@ametro.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! loipon sas enimerono gia to "peri cds", gia na gnorizete tin katastasi oloi. apo eparxia mas exoun parei 150 tilefona kai oloi theloun to idio. na tous steiloume cds. profanos kai osoi grapsan cds to kseroun, mia pou den exoume 150 den tha paroun. episis exo lavei kammia 20aria mails apo kapoious pou den prolavan na paroun sto happening kai theloun. an kapoios parola afta exei cds linux kai thelei erthei na mou ta dosei, na ta steiloume (an kai tha protimousa na ta steilei allos, na dei tin glika tou taxidromeiou, tou na antalasei mails kai tilefona). aaa... kai to oikonomiko. o syllogos den exei ta polla lefta (opos oloi kseroume) na stelnei cds, agorazei fakelous, gramatosima klp. alloste den iposxethikame pos tha stelnoume cds (oute afto einai o rolos tou HELLUG), oute kan sta meli (eixame kai dosame) kai oute tha iparxei kathe mina mia suse na mas kselasponei. itan kati ektakto to happening, to organoname 2 mines, mazepsame oti borousame, dothikan ola => terma. ara afto pou boro ego na kano einai na steilo se osous mou aresoun apo eparxia i oxi, 2-3 cds pou einai dika mou kai afou den exo alla cds se kanenan allo. -- Evripidis Papakostas HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Mon Dec 21 13:24:59 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:24:59 +0200 (EET DST) Subject: peri eparxias klp In-Reply-To: <367E288C.9F56242@ametro.gr> Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > alloste den iposxethikame pos tha stelnoume cds (oute afto einai o rolos > tou HELLUG), oute kan sta meli (eixame kai dosame) kai oute tha iparxei > kathe mina mia suse na mas kselasponei. itan kati ektakto to happening, > to organoname 2 mines, mazepsame oti borousame, dothikan ola => terma. Loipon, tha ferw kapoia (liga) Suse 5.3 pou exw sthn Patra, opote mporoume na kalypsoume kamia 10ria. Tha baloume to iso-image tou CD sto ftp.linux.gr Opoios to thelei dwrean tha to parei apo ekei. Gia toys ypoloipous pou to theloun sto xeri, mporoume na kanonisoume na plhrwnoun ena poso (px 2000), kai na tous grafoume ena diskaki kai na to stelnoume (h timh as kathoristei apo thn eleftheri agora, ennow oti aytos pou exei CDR kai thelei, as xrewsei ton xrono toy oso nomizei, ean thelei as dinei kai ena pososto dwrea sto HELLUG). Afou ayto boithaei thn diadosh toy Linux, kai einai kai nomimo (xrewnoume XRONO, oxi software!), anhkei sthn armodiothta toy HELLUG. Ti lete; +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From memas at otenet.gr Mon Dec 21 14:51:25 1998 From: memas at otenet.gr (Gerassimos Toumazatos) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:51:25 +0000 Subject: Gia ta cd.. Message-ID: <367E444D.C94FA926@otenet.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! paidia geia. Krima poy den mporesa na eruw sto happening. Pantws exw ena SuSE 5.3 cd. As moy steilete mia kapoia dieyuynsh (opoia nomizete) enos paidioy apo thn eparxia, kai ua synnenohuw mazi toy gia na toy to steilw. Xairetw. Gerassimos From fm94 at freemail.gr Mon Dec 21 16:27:17 1998 From: fm94 at freemail.gr (Maistrelis Kostas) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:27:17 +0200 Subject: peri eparxias klp In-Reply-To: References: <367E288C.9F56242@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981221162717.00815100@teemail.tee.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! apo ta cd pou eixame agorasei exoun perisepsei kamposa logo tis apostolis tis SuSE.. giati den grafoume merika kai na ta stiloume?? stiltemou merikes dief8inseis stin tixi na tous stilo.. ean iparxei alos pios sovaros skopos gia ta CD pou perisepsane na ton doume.. From sbolis at usa.net Mon Dec 21 18:02:38 1998 From: sbolis at usa.net (Spiros Bolis) Date: 21 Dec 98 09:02:38 MST Subject: [Re: peri eparxias klp] Message-ID: <19981221160238.21562.qmail@www0h.netaddress.usa.net> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >giati den grafoume merika kai na ta stiloume?? Egw eimai diathesimos na grapsw 3ana an thelete kai na parei kai lefta o syllogos an thelete KAI ginetai. Ayta ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From step at otenet.gr Mon Dec 21 19:08:21 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:08:21 +0200 Subject: peri eparxias klp References: <367E288C.9F56242@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <367E8085.762E5D63@otenet.gr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cd recorder iparchei pantos an kapoios diathetei to chrono tou... Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > H lista hellug tha metaferthei aytousia ston lists.hellug.gr > stis 21 Dec 1998 to bradi ksimerwmata me 22 Dec. H kainourgia > dieythinsi tha einai hellug at hellug.gr, kai majordomo at hellug.gr. > Parakaleiste na rithmisete analoga toys mailers sas. > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > loipon sas enimerono gia to "peri cds", gia na gnorizete tin katastasi > oloi. > > apo eparxia mas exoun parei 150 tilefona kai oloi theloun to idio. na > tous steiloume cds. profanos kai osoi grapsan cds to kseroun, mia pou > den exoume 150 den tha paroun. episis exo lavei kammia 20aria mails apo > kapoious pou den prolavan na paroun sto happening kai theloun. an > kapoios parola afta exei cds linux kai thelei erthei na mou ta dosei, na > ta steiloume (an kai tha protimousa na ta steilei allos, na dei tin > glika tou taxidromeiou, tou na antalasei mails kai tilefona). > > aaa... kai to oikonomiko. o syllogos den exei ta polla lefta (opos oloi > kseroume) na stelnei cds, agorazei fakelous, gramatosima klp. > > alloste den iposxethikame pos tha stelnoume cds (oute afto einai o rolos > tou HELLUG), oute kan sta meli (eixame kai dosame) kai oute tha iparxei > kathe mina mia suse na mas kselasponei. itan kati ektakto to happening, > to organoname 2 mines, mazepsame oti borousame, dothikan ola => terma. > > ara afto pou boro ego na kano einai na steilo se osous mou aresoun apo > eparxia i oxi, 2-3 cds pou einai dika mou kai afou den exo alla cds se > kanenan allo. > > -- > Evripidis Papakostas > > HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr > Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From roryt at hol.gr Tue Dec 22 07:24:17 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:24:17 +0200 (EET) Subject: Metafora listas hellug Message-ID: H metafora ths listas hellug sto mhxanhma toy syllogoy oloklhrothike. Ypenthimizw Oi kainourgies dieythinseis einai : hellug at hellug.gr hellug-digest at hellug.gr majordomo at hellug.gr kai http://lists.hellug.gr/hellug/wgdindex gia search sta archives (sintoma tha yparxei kai kentrikh selida sto http://lists.hellug.gr/ gia oles tis listes) I.Ioannou From roryt at hol.gr Tue Dec 22 08:28:03 1998 From: roryt at hol.gr (I.Ioannou) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:28:03 +0200 (EET) Subject: Metafora listas hellug Message-ID: Ayta patheneis an kseniktas :-) On 22-Dec-98 I wrote: > > http://lists.hellug.gr/hellug/wgdindex gia search sta archives Diortosi : http://lists.hellug.gr/hellug/wgindex.html (ypopsi yparxei kai index.html pou einai to kata thread olwn twn e-mails) > I.Ioannou From voulariba at ametro.gr Tue Dec 22 09:49:40 1998 From: voulariba at ametro.gr (Voula Sanida) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:49:40 +0200 Subject: Gia ta cd.. References: <367E444D.C94FA926@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <367F4F14.19713242@ametro.gr> Geia sou Gerassime, > As moy steilete mia kapoia dieyuynsh (opoia nomizete) > enos paidioy apo thn eparxia, kai ua synnenohuw mazi toy > gia na toy to steilw. > Xairetw. > Gerassimos Loipon, steile to CD ston : Markos Vitzhlaios Apollwnos 17 N. Hrakleio 114121 Athina -- *********************************** Do you really want to pay the Bill? Voula Sanida reply-to : voulariba at hellug.gr http://linux.airtour.gr *********************************** From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Dec 22 10:14:46 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:14:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: Gia ta cd.. In-Reply-To: <367F4F14.19713242@ametro.gr> Message-ID: Na pw kati se ayto.... Kalo tha itan ta CDs (osa yparxoyn, an yparxoun) na pigainoun se meri poy DEN yparxoyn bibliopwleia na agorastei to Linux. O filos Markos, mporei na katebei mia mera sto kentro kai na parei ena CD (opws eipe kai o Evripidis, o syllogos den einai gia na kanei oikonomia ston kathena stis agores CDs). Synepws, osoi exoun CDs na steiloun, kalytera na steiloun se apomakrysmenes poleis. Kai epi ti eykaireia, an exei kapoios, as steilei ston: Manolis Tavlas Stratigou Koraka 22 Aghios Nikolaos Kritis T.K. 72 100 Ayto profanws den simainei "Gerassime min steileis ston Marko". Eksallou to paidi mas esteile kai to erotimatologio (se polla antigrafa, i alitheia einai..) Ennow, an exei allos kai den kserei ti na to kanei.... Egw lypamai, alla den exw oute gia mena pia :-( Perimenw ton kernel 2.2. na paw na agorasw to epomeno mou distr. :-) ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- On 22-Dec-98 Voula Sanida wrote: > Geia sou Gerassime, > >> As moy steilete mia kapoia dieyuynsh (opoia nomizete) >> enos paidioy apo thn eparxia, kai ua synnenohuw mazi toy >> gia na toy to steilw. >> Xairetw. >> Gerassimos > > Loipon, steile to CD ston : > > Markos Vitzhlaios > Apollwnos 17 > N. Hrakleio 114121 > Athina > > > -- > *********************************** > Do you really want to pay the Bill? > > Voula Sanida > reply-to : voulariba at hellug.gr > http://linux.airtour.gr > *********************************** From cvar at startrek.csd.auth.gr Tue Dec 22 10:52:00 1998 From: cvar at startrek.csd.auth.gr (Christos Varelas) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:52:00 +0200 Subject: PPA module successfully (?) loaded but zip drive won't mount :-( Message-ID: <367F5DB0.A5B6AD00@startrek.csd.auth.gr> Τι εννοώ; Ενώ έχω μεταγλωττίσει κατάλληλα τον πυρήνα (2.0.36) και έχω κάνει reboot, γράφω modprobe -v ppa και παίρνω τα μηνύματα /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.0.36/scsi/scsi_mod.o /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.0.36/scsi/ppa.o Πηγαίνω τώρα στο directory /mnt και γράφω mount -t vfat /dev/sdXX zip (στο παραλληλο iomega drive είναι ένα ZIPάκι φορμαρισμένο για msdos) και μετά από λίγο παίρνω το επόμενο αποθαρρυντικό μήνυμα: mount: the kernel does not recognize /dev/sdb4 as a block device (maybe `insmod driver'?) όπου XX=a4 ή b4. Χρησιμοποιώ το SuSE 5.3 (στο RedHat 5.1 δεν είχα κανένα πρόβλημα). Τι κάνω λάθος; Καλά Χριστούγεννα και καλή ξεκούραση! -- Christos Varelas, Ph.D. candidate in A.I., LPIS Group, Department of Informatics, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, 54006, Macedonia, Greece. From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Dec 22 14:11:14 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:11:14 +0200 Subject: Gia ta cd.. References: Message-ID: <367F8C62.6991B4A4@ametro.gr> peri filou markou ... cdion klp o filos markos kathise kai skanare to erotimatologio kai to simplirose kai einai target group. tha parei to cdaki tou giati den tha paei xameno. -- Evripidis Papakostas HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Tue Dec 22 14:19:17 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:19:17 +0200 (EET DST) Subject: Gia ta cd.. In-Reply-To: <367F8C62.6991B4A4@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: > peri filou markou ... cdion klp > o filos markos kathise kai skanare to erotimatologio kai to simplirose > kai einai target group. tha parei to cdaki tou giati den tha paei > xameno. Exw milhsei kai egw mazi toy (kai den einai kai mikros...) Skopeva na toy dwsw egw diskaki otan anebw Athina. Ean to kanei ayto allos, as me enhmerwsei toylaxiston. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From epapakostas at ametro.gr Tue Dec 22 15:18:10 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:18:10 +0200 Subject: Gia ta cd.. References: Message-ID: <367F9C12.BE936F2B@ametro.gr> na se enimeroso/na me enimeroseis/exoume mplexei ta boutia mas. re photi gia na min talaiporoumaste 4 anthropoi gia to idio thema. me eixes parei kai tilefono kai sou eixa pei gia afton. oloi exoume lavei to email tou kai exoume apantisei pos tha lavei. exoume ena cd. na tou to dosoue? pes, an einai na tou to doseis esi. -- Evripidis Papakostas HELLUG : evris at hellug.gr Attiko Metro : epapakostas at ametro.gr From angelos at incredible.com Tue Dec 22 15:06:09 1998 From: angelos at incredible.com (Angelos Karageorgiou) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:06:09 +0200 (EET) Subject: Gia ta cd.. In-Reply-To: <367F9C12.BE936F2B@ametro.gr> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Evripidis Papakostas wrote: Peri CDs to cheapbytes ta dinei $1.99 each -- Incredible Networks LTD Angelos Karageorgiou 20 Karea st, +30.1.92.12.312 (voice) 116 36 Athens, Greece. +30.1.92.12.314 (fax) http://www.incredible.com angelos at incredible.com (e-mail) From memas at otenet.gr Tue Dec 22 15:24:47 1998 From: memas at otenet.gr (Gerassimos Toumazatos) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:24:47 +0000 Subject: Gia ta cd.. References: <367F9C12.BE936F2B@ametro.gr> Message-ID: <367F9D9E.B0765ECE@otenet.gr> Paidia gia ton Marko mhn anoigoyme uema. ua to steilw egw. Exw ftiajei to paketto hdh. Ua cajw ligo to T.K. giati san lauos moy fainetai kai ayrio ua fygei. Gerassimos From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Dec 22 17:37:57 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:37:57 +0200 (EET) Subject: Gia ta cd.. In-Reply-To: <367F9D9E.B0765ECE@otenet.gr> Message-ID: On 22-Dec-98 Gerassimos Toumazatos wrote: > > Paidia gia ton Marko mhn anoigoyme uema. > ua to steilw egw. > Exw ftiajei to paketto hdh. > Ua cajw ligo to T.K. giati san lauos moy fainetai kai > ayrio ua fygei. > > Gerassimos Re paidia, den anoixtike thema. Gia onoma tou theou. Afou to eipa kiolas na to steiloume tou paidiou (ki egw pira to erwtimatologio). Apla me tin eykairia eipa na protimame tous apo eparxia. Steile tou re Gerassime ena, ki an tou steiloun ki alloi pistevw oti i tha ta dwsei se allous i tha mas ta epistrepsei :-) ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From memas at otenet.gr Tue Dec 22 15:41:55 1998 From: memas at otenet.gr (Gerassimos Toumazatos) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:41:55 +0000 Subject: Asxeto: Pita ua kocoyme? Message-ID: <367FA1A3.C8F2EA81@otenet.gr> Paidia to jerw oti einai asxeto alla ua kocoyme pitta gia to neo xrono? Peite kammia idea (Twra ua lete edw o kosmos kaigetai kai o Gerassimos uelei pittes, alla giati oxi?) Gerassimos From theodore at eexi.gr Tue Dec 22 15:50:01 1998 From: theodore at eexi.gr (Theodore J. Soldatos) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:50:01 +0200 Subject: E, oxi kai pita!!! Message-ID: <367FA389.113B1B@eexi.gr> Ti eimaste, o Syllogos Anokatoxoriton Athinas ? :-) Ego proteino party sthn edra toy syllogoy (Evri: :-)), me mpoliko alkool kai epitimous proskeklhmenous ta female melh toy Syllogoy Spoudaston Sxolon Fotomontelon... :-) BAFH -- Theodore=J.=Soldatos=_\_="There=is=always=a=bug=somewhere",=said==HAL=to=the== = theodore at eexi.gr =_/_==Ultimate=Programmer,=and=turned=off=the=air=supply.= = bafh at hellug.gr =_\_="Everybody=knows=the=war=is=over,==================== ==== Scientific =====_/_==everybody=knows=the=good=guys=lost"===Leonard=Cohen= = Publications Ltd. =_\_============ http://w4u.eexi.gr/~theodore ============ ==== Finger: theodore at msfree.scientificpublications.gr or @aurora.eexi.gr ==== From mkab at forthnet.gr Tue Dec 22 18:42:08 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:42:08 +0200 (EET) Subject: Asxeto: Pita ua kocoyme? In-Reply-To: <367FA1A3.C8F2EA81@otenet.gr> Message-ID: On 22-Dec-98 Gerassimos Toumazatos wrote: > Paidia to jerw oti einai asxeto alla ua kocoyme pitta gia to neo xrono? > Peite kammia idea > (Twra ua lete edw o kosmos kaigetai kai o Gerassimos uelei pittes, alla > giati oxi?) > > Gerassimos Off the record, to D.S. tha paradwsei mesa ston Ianouario. Fysiologika, tha einai i teleytaia praksi tou paliou D.S. i i nea praksi tou neou :-) An kai gia to neo D.S. den mporw na milaw (gi' ayto kai to "off the record") ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From kokni at eexi.gr Wed Dec 23 03:04:31 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nik. Kokras) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:04:31 +0200 (EET) Subject: Happening+ET3 Message-ID: Ta plana apo to happening ths Stournarh montaristikan epityxws (an kai to synergeio htan telikws mapa) kai mporei na ta parakolou8hsei opoios endiaferetai to Sabbato 2/1/99 sthn ET3, wra 15:00 8a krathsw arxeio thn beta kai ean 8elei kapoios ena (s)VHS copy as mou steilei mail. Nikos Kokras From epapakostas at ametro.gr Wed Dec 23 11:07:42 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:07:42 +0200 Subject: na merikes eikones Message-ID: <3680B2DE.F849DC2D@ametro.gr> apo to happening. distixos emeis eimastan mesa apo to pagko kai oles oi eikones einai prin i meta to moirasma ton cds. etsi den fainetai o alithinos xamos. http://linux.airtour.gr/grlinux/hap_phot_191298.html (ipotithetai pos afta einai thumbnails kai klikareis kai vlepeis ti megali...alla ta thumbnails mas vgikan mikra). kala xristougenna paidia. simera fevgoume gia mexri tis 30. Evripidis kai Voula From step at otenet.gr Wed Dec 23 14:37:36 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:37:36 +0200 Subject: Gia ta cd.. References: Message-ID: <3680E410.378F1691@otenet.gr> Molis Pareleva 15 DEMO cd's apo SuSE kai einai diathesima..... Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > On 22-Dec-98 Gerassimos Toumazatos wrote: > > > > Paidia gia ton Marko mhn anoigoyme uema. > > ua to steilw egw. > > Exw ftiajei to paketto hdh. > > Ua cajw ligo to T.K. giati san lauos moy fainetai kai > > ayrio ua fygei. > > > > Gerassimos > > Re paidia, den anoixtike thema. Gia onoma tou theou. Afou to eipa kiolas na to > steiloume tou paidiou (ki egw pira to erwtimatologio). > Apla me tin eykairia eipa na protimame tous apo eparxia. > > Steile tou re Gerassime ena, ki an tou steiloun ki alloi pistevw oti i tha ta > dwsei se allous i tha mas ta epistrepsei :-) > > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr > ----------------------------- From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Thu Dec 24 09:46:31 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:46:31 +0200 Subject: OTE ? Message-ID: Mathate ta nea ? Ta thlefonhmata pane 6drx/lepto, alla gia toys syndromhtes toy (p)OTENET oi times meiothikan. Me dedomeno oti eimaste h xora me thn apolytos mikroterh paroysia sto Internet kai me dedomenh thn amesh sxesh Internet-Linux, mhpos tha eprepe na kanoume kati gi ayth th katastash os syllogos, se synergasia me thn EEXI px ? Fantazomai vevaia oti oi dikhgoroi toy Forthnet, HOL etc etoimazoun hdh agoges, alla mia kai ayta ta timologia empodizoun amesa thn diadosh toy Linux tha prepei na kanoume ki emeis kati. BAFH From kabrianis at hellug.gr Thu Dec 24 10:24:19 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:24:19 +0200 (EET) Subject: OTE ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24-Dec-98 Σολδάτος Θοδωρής wrote: > Mathate ta nea ? Ta thlefonhmata pane 6drx/lepto, alla gia toys > syndromhtes toy (p)OTENET oi times meiothikan. Me dedomeno oti eimaste h > xora me thn apolytos mikroterh paroysia sto Internet kai me dedomenh thn > amesh sxesh Internet-Linux, mhpos tha eprepe na kanoume kati gi ayth th > katastash os syllogos, se synergasia me thn EEXI px ? Fantazomai vevaia > oti oi dikhgoroi toy Forthnet, HOL etc etoimazoun hdh agoges, alla mia > kai ayta ta timologia empodizoun amesa thn diadosh toy Linux tha prepei > na kanoume ki emeis kati. > > BAFH Emmm, exeis perissoteres plirofories gia ayto? Apo pou emathes oti ta timologia tis OTEnet meiwthikan? An mporeseis, dwse mas kapoia stoixeia akoma. Sxetika me tis agwges, mallon tha tis katathesoun oi ISPs (an kai den to kserw sigoura, fantazomai oti epeidi thigontai amesa an isxysei ayto, tha to kanoun) kai i antidrasi apo emas den prepei na einai se synennoisi me enan provider, alla aneksartita. An ta timologia tis otenet meiwnontai, ayto ofeiletai (profanws) sto 0965, to opoio o OTE einai ypoxrewmeni na dwsei kai se opoion allo ISP to zitisei (symfwna me apofasi tis EET kai BARBATO prostimo ston OTE), ara an exoun kai oi alloi to 0965 mas lynetai to problima :-) ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Thu Dec 24 10:44:26 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:44:26 +0200 Subject: OTE ? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michalis Kabrianis [mailto:kabrianis at hellug.gr] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 10:24 AM > To: hellug at hellug.gr > Subject: RE: OTE ? > > > > Emmm, exeis perissoteres plirofories gia ayto? Apo pou > emathes oti ta timologia > tis OTEnet meiwthikan? An mporeseis, dwse mas kapoia stoixeia akoma. Xtes, sthn Eleftherotypia eixe katalogo ... Meiothike h xronoxreosh sto 0965 eidika ... > > Sxetika me tis agwges, mallon tha tis katathesoun oi ISPs (an > kai den to kserw > sigoura, fantazomai oti epeidi thigontai amesa an isxysei > ayto, tha to kanoun) > kai i antidrasi apo emas den prepei na einai se synennoisi me > enan provider, > alla aneksartita. Nai, oposdhpote, anefera thn EEXI epeidh den einai emporikos ISP, einai mh kerdoskopikos syllogos san kai emas kai exei amesh sxesh (Enosh Ellhnon Xrhston *Internet* legetai...), syn to gegonos oti einai kamposoi Linuxades ekei .... > > An ta timologia tis otenet meiwnontai, ayto ofeiletai > (profanws) sto 0965, to > opoio o OTE einai ypoxrewmeni na dwsei kai se opoion allo ISP > to zitisei > (symfwna me apofasi tis EET kai BARBATO prostimo ston OTE), > ara an exoun kai oi > alloi to 0965 mas lynetai to problima :-) Nai, alla: 1. O OTE epimenei na mhn dinei 4-pshfio se kanenan allo... Mexri na teleiosoun oi dikastikes kai grafeiokratikes istories, pou synhthos pairnoun poly kairo, o OTENET exei terastio pleonekthma. Skepsou oti ap oti diavasa 40 lepta ston OTENET stoixizoun gyro stis 250drx. Gia ypologise poso stoixizoun 40 lepta me 6 drx to lepto. Edo milame gia taktikes Microsoft. 2. Ti ginetai me thn periptosh opou kapoia etaireia exei sthsei dial-up gia toys ypallhlous ths kai ti ginetai me toys "mikrous" ISPs? Sthn etaireia pou doulevo plhrosame ta antera mas gia na paroume enan Cisco 2500 me 8 asyxrones syn modems, tora h ependysh tha paei xamenh ? Akoma ki an arxisei na dinei 4-pshfio se opoion zhthsei, poso tha to xreonei ? Me ti proypotheseis tha dinei 4-pshfio ? Edo h Forthnet den exei kataferei na parei akoma, pos tha parei h Kolopeteinitsa-net gia paradeigma ? Prosopika pisteyo oti den tha eprepe na yparxei kan xronoxreosh stous ISPs. Ayto pou tha symvei tora einai oti mexri na paroun 4-pshfia kai oi alloi ISPs oloi tha pane ston OTENET. Tora tha mou peis ti se noiazei esena. Aplo: O OTENET den fhmizetai gia thn poiothta ton yphresion toy, kai an pesoun oloi ekei den tha mporeis na mpeis me tipota. Me liga logia tha yparxei pleon provlhma sthn prosvash sto Internet me modem. O OTENET tha ypoleitoyrgei, oi ypoloipoi tha einai asymforoi oikonomika. Pithanos mexri na arxisei o OTE na dinei 4-pshfia na exoun kleisei oi perissoteroi. Ki ayto den symferei kanenan, eidika an asxoleitai me Linux pou proypothetei taktikh prosvash sto diktyo .... BAFH From kabrianis at hellug.gr Thu Dec 24 11:02:48 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:02:48 +0200 (EET) Subject: OTE ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 24-Dec-98 Σολδάτος Θοδωρής wrote: >> >> Emmm, exeis perissoteres plirofories gia ayto? Apo pou >> emathes oti ta timologia >> tis OTEnet meiwthikan? An mporeseis, dwse mas kapoia stoixeia akoma. > > Xtes, sthn Eleftherotypia eixe katalogo ... Meiothike h xronoxreosh sto > 0965 eidika ... Ara einai egkyro kai sigouro. Dystyxws sto web-site tis den exei tipota, alla kapou tha tin brw. >> >> An ta timologia tis otenet meiwnontai, ayto ofeiletai >> (profanws) sto 0965, to >> opoio o OTE einai ypoxrewmeni na dwsei kai se opoion allo ISP >> to zitisei >> (symfwna me apofasi tis EET kai BARBATO prostimo ston OTE), >> ara an exoun kai oi >> alloi to 0965 mas lynetai to problima :-) > > Nai, alla: > > 1. O OTE epimenei na mhn dinei 4-pshfio se kanenan allo... Mexri na > teleiosoun oi dikastikes kai grafeiokratikes istories, pou synhthos > pairnoun poly kairo, o OTENET exei terastio pleonekthma. Skepsou oti ap > oti diavasa 40 lepta ston OTENET stoixizoun gyro stis 250drx. Gia > ypologise poso stoixizoun 40 lepta me 6 drx to lepto. Edo milame gia > taktikes Microsoft. Pali 240 mou bgainoun... Mipws ennoeis kati allo? > 2. Ti ginetai me thn periptosh opou kapoia etaireia exei sthsei dial-up > gia toys ypallhlous ths kai ti ginetai me toys "mikrous" ISPs? Sthn > etaireia pou doulevo plhrosame ta antera mas gia na paroume enan Cisco > 2500 me 8 asyxrones syn modems, tora h ependysh tha paei xamenh ? Akoma > ki an arxisei na dinei 4-pshfio se opoion zhthsei, poso tha to xreonei ? Apo ta liga pou kserw, i ependysi sou den xanetai. Pali grammes tilefwnou tha peftoun ekei panw. Ara pali xreiazesai ton router. Sxetika me tin xrewsi, den kserw tipota omws. Kai fobamai oti mono oi ISPs tha exoun dikaiwma gia 0965. > Me ti proypotheseis tha dinei 4-pshfio ? Edo h Forthnet den exei > kataferei na parei akoma, pos tha parei h Kolopeteinitsa-net gia > paradeigma ? H Forthnet (ayto to kserw) den exei parei giati den tis to dinei o OTE. Des ayto poy elega proigoumenws, gia prostima. An deis kai stin arxiki selida tis FORTHnet, exei link gia mia kataggelia twn megalwn ISPs gia "monopwliakes taktikes". Einai simantiko oti tin kataggelia ayti synipograpsan oloi oi ISPs pou eixan zitisei 0965 tilefwno. > Prosopika pisteyo oti den tha eprepe na yparxei kan xronoxreosh stous > ISPs. Ayto pou tha symvei tora einai oti mexri na paroun 4-pshfia kai oi > alloi ISPs oloi tha pane ston OTENET. Tora tha mou peis ti se noiazei > esena. Aplo: O OTENET den fhmizetai gia thn poiothta ton yphresion toy, > kai an pesoun oloi ekei den tha mporeis na mpeis me tipota. Me liga > logia tha yparxei pleon provlhma sthn prosvash sto Internet me modem. O > OTENET tha ypoleitoyrgei, oi ypoloipoi tha einai asymforoi oikonomika. > Pithanos mexri na arxisei o OTE na dinei 4-pshfia na exoun kleisei oi > perissoteroi. Ki ayto den symferei kanenan, eidika an asxoleitai me > Linux pou proypothetei taktikh prosvash sto diktyo .... Symfwnw apolyta mazi sou. Thelw na elpizw (kai na pistevw) oti ta 0965 tha dothoun PRIN tin 1i Martiou pou tha isxysoun ta nea timologia. Den exw kamia oreksi na paw stin Otenet giati exw mia allergia stis dimosies ypiresies (kai oso thygatriki kai na einai i OTEnet, emena akoma mou fainetai dimosia ypiresia). > BAFH Pantws, milwntas proswpika, alla pistevw ekfrazontas olo to D.S. eimaste diatetheimenoi na kanoume otidipote gia na deiksoume tin antidrasi mas. Ayto simainei ena e-mail ston Dieythynti tou OTE, me 54 ypografes (tosoi eimaste), diladi tha to kanoume, alla min perimenete kai polla. An yparxoun kalyteres idees, rixte tis. Thanks ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr Thu Dec 24 11:45:54 1998 From: Soldatos at scientificpublications.gr (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=D3=EF=EB=E4=DC=F4=EF=F2_=C8=EF=E4=F9=F1=DE=F2?=) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:45:54 +0200 Subject: OTE ? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michalis Kabrianis [mailto:kabrianis at hellug.gr] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 11:03 AM > To: hellug at hellug.gr > Subject: RE: OTE ? > > > > > oti diavasa 40 lepta ston OTENET stoixizoun gyro stis 250drx. Gia > > ypologise poso stoixizoun 40 lepta me 6 drx to lepto. Edo milame gia > > taktikes Microsoft. > > Pali 240 mou bgainoun... Mipws ennoeis kati allo? Profanos. Mperdeythka. :-) Ki elega pos kai thymomouna to noumero . Ekana 40*6 2 fores . It's not a bug, it's a option :-) Einai 42 drx/40 lepta me 0965 kai 240drx xoris. 571% pio akrivo. > Apo ta liga pou kserw, i ependysi sou den xanetai. Pali > grammes tilefwnou tha > peftoun ekei panw. Ara pali xreiazesai ton router. Sxetika me Nai, alla poios tha mpainei me 6/lepto ? :-)Ton router ton xreiazomai gia thn misthomenh etsi ki allios, alla to epipleon kostos gia tis asygxrones kai to modem ? > tin xrewsi, den > kserw tipota omws. Kai fobamai oti mono oi ISPs tha exoun > dikaiwma gia 0965. Ki ego ayto fovamai ... > > H Forthnet (ayto to kserw) den exei parei giati den tis to > dinei o OTE. Des > ayto poy elega proigoumenws, gia prostima. An deis kai stin > arxiki selida tis > FORTHnet, exei link gia mia kataggelia twn megalwn ISPs gia > "monopwliakes > taktikes". Einai simantiko oti tin kataggelia ayti > synipograpsan oloi oi ISPs > pou eixan zitisei 0965 tilefwno. > Nai, exo yp opsh mou thn katagelia, thn eixe kai to NetLetter. Apla fantazomai oti anoigontas o OTE thn psalida tha toys kanei na lyssaksoune teleios. :-) > > Symfwnw apolyta mazi sou. Thelw na elpizw (kai na pistevw) > oti ta 0965 tha > dothoun PRIN tin 1i Martiou pou tha isxysoun ta nea > timologia. Den exw kamia > oreksi na paw stin Otenet giati exw mia allergia stis > dimosies ypiresies (kai > oso thygatriki kai na einai i OTEnet, emena akoma mou fainetai dimosia > ypiresia). Ante na doume, an ki ego den eimai toso aisiodoksos. H mexri tora taktikh toys to antitheto deixnei. Oso gia dhmosies kai idiotikes, o OTE (kai h OTEnet) kataferan na syndyasoun ta ellatomata kai ton dyo - kakh poiothta yphresion (dhmosio), anhthikothta mprosta sto kerdos (idiotikes), o thanatos soy (xrhsth toy internet) h zoh moy. As mhn ksexname oti otan o OTE ta pianei kala, ta pianoun kai kapoioi alloi (onomata de leme, ypolhpseis den thigoume). > Pantws, milwntas proswpika, alla pistevw ekfrazontas olo to > D.S. eimaste > diatetheimenoi na kanoume otidipote gia na deiksoume tin > antidrasi mas. Ayto > simainei ena e-mail ston Dieythynti tou OTE, me 54 ypografes > (tosoi eimaste), > diladi tha to kanoume, alla min perimenete kai polla. E, den eixa kai tipota parapano yp' opsh mou. Ti allo na kanoume, katalhpsh sto megaro toy OTE ? :-) Apla tha mporousame na synergastoyme kai me thn EEXI (kai me kanenan allon isos ?) gia na exei megalytero varos. Kai oxi apla e-mail ston dieythynth (einai sa na to stelneis sto /dev/null) alla kai se MME kai kanenan apo toys "hi-tech" ypourgous. > > An yparxoun kalyteres idees, rixte tis. Kales giortes, BTW... BAFH From mkab at forthnet.gr Thu Dec 24 12:44:11 1998 From: mkab at forthnet.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:44:11 +0200 (EET) Subject: Gia ta cd.. In-Reply-To: <3680E410.378F1691@otenet.gr> Message-ID: On 23-Dec-98 George Papamichelakis wrote: > Molis Pareleva 15 DEMO cd's apo SuSE kai einai > diathesima..... > Na 'sai kala Giwrgo. Molis gyrisoun i Boula kai o Evris apo ta ekswterika (!!!) tha milisoume na doume pou tha steiloume. Kala Xristougenna se olous, ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From kremidas at lrf.gr Thu Dec 24 14:49:42 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:49:42 +0000 Subject: Kala Xristougenna Message-ID: <199812242052.MAA14119@www.lrf.gr> Euxomai se olous Kala Xristougenna panta me ygeia... Kala na perasete Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com kremidas at hellug.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From bcostas at hol.gr Thu Dec 24 18:22:10 1998 From: bcostas at hol.gr (Costas) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:22:10 +0200 Subject: OTE ? References: Message-ID: <36826A32.A8BF68EC@hol.gr> Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > An yparxoun kalyteres idees, rixte tis. > Egw 6a elega anti na mazeytoyn 54 ypografes na mazeytoyn kamia dekaria xiliades. Oloi oi syndromhtes twn providers ektos Otenet. Twra to noymero poy lew einai ay6ereto alla einai megalo. Ayto mporei na ginei stelnontas ena email stoys xrhstes na toys enhmerwsei o ka6e provider gia tis pro6eseis toy. Deyteron mporoyme na katageiloyme to gegonos se ena Evrwpaiko dikasthrio kai na piesoyme ligo katastaseis osoi exoyme prosvash se web sites, ek6etontas oysiastika to dhmosio? Egw feripein den 6a eixa provlhma an empaine ena gifaki se ka6e selida poy na dhlwnei thn antidrash mas. Skefteite mono posa sites yparxoyn sthn Ellada, poses etairies exoyn ependysei 'h skeftontai na ependysoyn sto ameso mellon. From kabrianis at hellug.gr Fri Dec 25 03:04:02 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:04:02 -0000 (GMT) Subject: OTE ? In-Reply-To: <36826A32.A8BF68EC@hol.gr> Message-ID: <199812250153.BAA02413@mk.aua.gr> On 24-Dec-98 Costas wrote: > Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > >> An yparxoun kalyteres idees, rixte tis. >> > > Egw 6a elega anti na mazeytoyn 54 ypografes na mazeytoyn kamia dekaria > xiliades. > Oloi oi syndromhtes twn providers ektos Otenet. Twra to noymero poy lew einai > ay6ereto alla einai megalo. Ayto mporei na ginei stelnontas ena email stoys > xrhstes na toys enhmerwsei o ka6e provider gia tis pro6eseis toy. Deyteron > mporoyme na katageiloyme to gegonos se ena Evrwpaiko dikasthrio kai na > piesoyme > ligo katastaseis osoi exoyme prosvash se web sites, ek6etontas oysiastika to > dhmosio? Egw feripein den 6a eixa provlhma an empaine ena gifaki se ka6e > selida > poy na dhlwnei thn antidrash mas. Skefteite mono posa sites yparxoyn sthn > Ellada, > poses etairies exoyn ependysei 'h skeftontai na ependysoyn sto ameso mellon. Ayto me to gifaki einai kalo. Kati san to EFF. Opoios kallitexnis mporei, as kanei ena wraio, kai tha doume meta pws tha to prowthisoume... (pantws exw idees gia tin prowthisi tou, kai OXI spam mails) Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr From surfking at ath.forthnet.gr Fri Dec 25 18:36:38 1998 From: surfking at ath.forthnet.gr (Pavlos Parissis) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:36:38 +0000 Subject: OTE ? References: Message-ID: <3683BF15.AE50C59A@ath.forthnet.gr> Megale exeis apolito dikio kai sigoura kati prepei na kanoume. Ego to ematha gia ta timologia prin 3 week , exo gnosto ston ote, kai arxisan na enhmervno kosmo mesa apo irc kai na leo oti kati prepei na kanoume dioti an sinexisti etsi to internet gia emas pou to exoume gia na mathenoume kai enhmeronomaste, kai oxi gia na trome ores sto sex.com kai sta irc gia na leme ti epathe o vazelos, den tha kanoume sosti douleia kai to Linux stin Elladitsa mas tha xanei edafos. Pistevo pos oli simfonitai me to gegonos oti xoris to net linux den matheneis afou me tin foithia tou net eftase edo pou eftase to Linux. Skeftika na grapso ena gramma diamartirias sta agglika kai na to stilo se OTE, E.U. kai se alla polla alla pistevo oti tha itan kalitera sintagmeno kai pio dinamiko an ginei me foithia polon. Meta tin stinaksi aftou tou grammatos na stiloume sta greek 'i kai sta ksena newsgroup kai o kathenas na to stelnei prosopika. Sas pliroforo oti ena gramma exei arketa megali dinami kai as min tou fenete. Oson anafora gia ta miomena timologia tou otenet eimai sigouros oti tha tou girei mpoumerank dioti opos eipes kai esi tha paroun oli se afton sindesi kai gia na kanoun connect tha prepei na anavoun keri. Enas kolitos mou exei isp otenet kai gia na piasi grammi weekend prepei na exei kanei tama:) Perimeno me megalo enfiaferon antapokrisi. Filika, Pavlos Σολδάτος Θοδωρής wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michalis Kabrianis [mailto:kabrianis at hellug.gr] > > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 10:24 AM > > To: hellug at hellug.gr > > Subject: RE: OTE ? > > > > > > > > Emmm, exeis perissoteres plirofories gia ayto? Apo pou > > emathes oti ta timologia > > tis OTEnet meiwthikan? An mporeseis, dwse mas kapoia stoixeia akoma. > > Xtes, sthn Eleftherotypia eixe katalogo ... Meiothike h xronoxreosh sto > 0965 eidika ... > > > > > Sxetika me tis agwges, mallon tha tis katathesoun oi ISPs (an > > kai den to kserw > > sigoura, fantazomai oti epeidi thigontai amesa an isxysei > > ayto, tha to kanoun) > > kai i antidrasi apo emas den prepei na einai se synennoisi me > > enan provider, > > alla aneksartita. > > Nai, oposdhpote, anefera thn EEXI epeidh den einai emporikos ISP, einai > mh kerdoskopikos syllogos san kai emas kai exei amesh sxesh (Enosh > Ellhnon Xrhston *Internet* legetai...), syn to gegonos oti einai > kamposoi Linuxades ekei .... > > > > > An ta timologia tis otenet meiwnontai, ayto ofeiletai > > (profanws) sto 0965, to > > opoio o OTE einai ypoxrewmeni na dwsei kai se opoion allo ISP > > to zitisei > > (symfwna me apofasi tis EET kai BARBATO prostimo ston OTE), > > ara an exoun kai oi > > alloi to 0965 mas lynetai to problima :-) > > Nai, alla: > > 1. O OTE epimenei na mhn dinei 4-pshfio se kanenan allo... Mexri na > teleiosoun oi dikastikes kai grafeiokratikes istories, pou synhthos > pairnoun poly kairo, o OTENET exei terastio pleonekthma. Skepsou oti ap > oti diavasa 40 lepta ston OTENET stoixizoun gyro stis 250drx. Gia > ypologise poso stoixizoun 40 lepta me 6 drx to lepto. Edo milame gia > taktikes Microsoft. > > 2. Ti ginetai me thn periptosh opou kapoia etaireia exei sthsei dial-up > gia toys ypallhlous ths kai ti ginetai me toys "mikrous" ISPs? Sthn > etaireia pou doulevo plhrosame ta antera mas gia na paroume enan Cisco > 2500 me 8 asyxrones syn modems, tora h ependysh tha paei xamenh ? Akoma > ki an arxisei na dinei 4-pshfio se opoion zhthsei, poso tha to xreonei ? > Me ti proypotheseis tha dinei 4-pshfio ? Edo h Forthnet den exei > kataferei na parei akoma, pos tha parei h Kolopeteinitsa-net gia > paradeigma ? > > Prosopika pisteyo oti den tha eprepe na yparxei kan xronoxreosh stous > ISPs. Ayto pou tha symvei tora einai oti mexri na paroun 4-pshfia kai oi > alloi ISPs oloi tha pane ston OTENET. Tora tha mou peis ti se noiazei > esena. Aplo: O OTENET den fhmizetai gia thn poiothta ton yphresion toy, > kai an pesoun oloi ekei den tha mporeis na mpeis me tipota. Me liga > logia tha yparxei pleon provlhma sthn prosvash sto Internet me modem. O > OTENET tha ypoleitoyrgei, oi ypoloipoi tha einai asymforoi oikonomika. > Pithanos mexri na arxisei o OTE na dinei 4-pshfia na exoun kleisei oi > perissoteroi. Ki ayto den symferei kanenan, eidika an asxoleitai me > Linux pou proypothetei taktikh prosvash sto diktyo .... > > BAFH -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I love having the feeling of being in control while i have the sensation of speed The surfer of life ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From step at otenet.gr Sat Dec 26 10:38:05 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (George Papamichelakis) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:38:05 +0200 Subject: OTE ? References: <199812250153.BAA02413@mk.aua.gr> Message-ID: <3684A06D.1DBCD772@otenet.gr> Chronia sas polla paidia , Gia ton OTE pou sizitate echo kati kalo .. To timologio tou OTE ean tou riksete ena mati stis chreosis anaferei oti h chronohreosi einai 3' tiw ores aichmis kai 8' tis ipolipes kai i OteNet me ti seira tis mas leei oti mas chreonei san astiki klisi. Se analitiko logariasmo omos tou OTE pou echo fenetai kathara oti h OteNet einai chreomeni me tin akrivi chreosi kai tis ores pou ipothetika chreonete me to fthino timologio. Gia fantasteite ti klepsimo echei pesei mechri tora (se atomiko epipedo mporei i diafora na einai mikri alla se geniko mazevoun polla chrimata apo afti ti diafora). Echo idi zitisi eksigiseis apo tin OteNet alla ..... George Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > On 24-Dec-98 Costas wrote: > > Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > > >> An yparxoun kalyteres idees, rixte tis. > >> > > > > Egw 6a elega anti na mazeytoyn 54 ypografes na mazeytoyn kamia dekaria > > xiliades. > > Oloi oi syndromhtes twn providers ektos Otenet. Twra to noymero poy lew einai > > ay6ereto alla einai megalo. Ayto mporei na ginei stelnontas ena email stoys > > xrhstes na toys enhmerwsei o ka6e provider gia tis pro6eseis toy. Deyteron > > mporoyme na katageiloyme to gegonos se ena Evrwpaiko dikasthrio kai na > > piesoyme > > ligo katastaseis osoi exoyme prosvash se web sites, ek6etontas oysiastika to > > dhmosio? Egw feripein den 6a eixa provlhma an empaine ena gifaki se ka6e > > selida > > poy na dhlwnei thn antidrash mas. Skefteite mono posa sites yparxoyn sthn > > Ellada, > > poses etairies exoyn ependysei 'h skeftontai na ependysoyn sto ameso mellon. > > Ayto me to gifaki einai kalo. Kati san to EFF. Opoios kallitexnis mporei, as > kanei ena wraio, kai tha doume meta pws tha to prowthisoume... (pantws exw > idees gia tin prowthisi tou, kai OXI spam mails) > > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr From kokni at eexi.gr Tue Dec 29 00:40:55 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:40:55 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: URGENT: PROSOXH: AYJHSEIS TIMVN OTE, OTE PRICES GO UP -- MEETING] Message-ID: <368808F7.F4021549@eexi.gr> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "D. Bougoulias" Subject: URGENT: PROSOXH: AYJHSEIS TIMVN OTE, OTE PRICES GO UP -- MEETING Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:36:26 +0200 Size: 1708 URL: From kokni at eexi.gr Tue Dec 29 07:01:51 1998 From: kokni at eexi.gr (Nikos Kokras) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:01:51 +0200 Subject: peri OTE Message-ID: <3688623F.807AF47A@eexi.gr> Opws eidate kai sto fw pou ekana sth lista, h istoria me ton OTE kai ta timologia tou, arxizei na enoxlei poly kosmo. Mexri kai h EEXI (pou exei katanthsei pio dyskinhth kai apo ton idio ton OTE) fainetai oti kati paei na kanei. Nomizw oti prepei na "symparatax8oume" ston _mataio_ kata ta alla agwna. Kammia sygkekrimenh idea/protash exei kaneis ? Filika Nikos Kokras P.S. 2.2.0pre1 is out :-) From kabrianis at hellug.gr Tue Dec 29 09:48:46 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:48:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: peri OTE In-Reply-To: <3688623F.807AF47A@eexi.gr> Message-ID: On 29-Dec-98 Nikos Kokras wrote: > Opws eidate kai sto fw pou ekana sth lista, h istoria me ton OTE kai ta > timologia tou, arxizei na enoxlei poly kosmo. Mexri kai h EEXI (pou exei > katanthsei pio dyskinhth kai apo ton idio ton OTE) fainetai oti kati > paei na kanei. > Nomizw oti prepei na "symparatax8oume" ston _mataio_ kata ta alla agwna. > > Kammia sygkekrimenh idea/protash exei kaneis ? > > Filika > Nikos Kokras > Symfwnw apolyta, kai psaxnw ena wraio eikonaki, gia na ftiaksoume mia selida pou na leme ta parapona mas kai na ksekinisoume mia kampania se styl EFF. Diladi to gif-aki se gnwsta sites, to opoio tha parapempei sti selida me ta dedomena kai ta gegonota. > P.S. 2.2.0pre1 is out :-) Nai, menei mono na broume ena distribution pou na ton ypostirizei out-of-the-box ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From kabrianis at hellug.gr Tue Dec 29 11:21:02 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:21:02 +0200 (EET) Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) Message-ID: Geia sas kai xronia polla. Ligo diktatorika, afou den to exw syzitisei katholou mazi sas, ebala ena banner stin prwti selida tou HELLUG gia ayto to thema pou exei prokypsei me ton OTE. Deite to. To ebala giati eida ta meli tou syllogou na min kinountai pros tin swsti kateythynsi, kai pistevw oti einai ena thema pou thelei grigores antidraseis. Emena proswpika den mou aresei, kai den pistevw oti einai swsti ayti i kateythynsi, kai tha to analysw ligo ayto. Na dieykrinisw mono gia na min pareksigithw, oti thewrw swsti tin prwtoboulia tou filou, alla lathos tin ylopoiisi. Pistevw oti ta megala banners kai oi selides opws ayti stin opoia deixnei to banner, den boithane se tipota, ektos tou na deixnoun oti kapoios kanei kati, xwris kat' anagkin na kserei ti kanei. Gnwmi mou einai, oti prepei san HELLUG na syntaksoume ena keimeno tou GIATI mas enoxloun ta timologia tou OTE, kai TI proteinoume na ginei, kai na SYGKRINOUME tin katastasi se alles eyrwpaikes xwres kai stin Ameriki. Ayta ta GIATI, TI kai SYGKRINOUME mporoune na perasoune ena minima, enw to " Οι Ελληνες χρήστες του Internet διαμαρτύρονται διότι με το νέο τιμολόγιο του ΟΤΕ οι ήδη υπέρογκες χρεώσεις γιά σύνδεση στο διαδίκτυο γίνονται πλέον ΑΠΑΓΟΡΕΥΤΙΚΕΣ" emena proswpika den mou leei tipota. - Theloume stoixeia mathimatika (toses wres eimai sto diktyo, toso mou kostize, toso tha mou kostizei). - Theloume mia APOPSI gia tin simasia tou Internet gia epaggelmatikous, morfvtikous kai epikoinwniakous logous. - Theloume mia PROTASI i opoia na einai efikti kai sygkekrimeni, kai oxi ena ksero "Βελτίωση του δικτύου. ". - Theloume ena wraio gif-aki, mikro, diakritiko kai eystoxo (kai oxi ena terastio banner). - Theloume epikoinwnia kai dieisdysi, dimosies sxeseis kai syzytisi. Kalw twra tin lista kai te meli tou HELLUG na evaisthitopoiithoun sto thema. As prosferei o kathenas oti mporei. Emeis san D.S. tha frontisoume na stalei ena keimeno diamartyrias kai systrateysis opou prepei, xwris na ftasoume sta oria tou spamming, opws exoun ftasei alloi. To keimeno ayto twra einai adeio. Parakalw promitheyste mas me stoixeia. Eyxaristw ek twn proterwn gia tin boitheia sas se ayto to thema pou mas kaiei olous. O Proedros tou D.S. tou HELLUG ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr Tue Dec 29 15:34:29 1998 From: ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:34:29 +0200 Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981229153429.007a6b60@hermes.cc.uoi.gr> At 11:21 AM 12/29/98 +0200, you wrote: >To keimeno ayto twra einai adeio. Parakalw promitheyste mas me stoixeia. >Eyxaristw ek twn proterwn gia tin boitheia sas se ayto to thema pou mas kaiei >olous. Mas kaiei... alla ti noima exei h diamartiria san linux-greek-users? (hellug). To oti polloi apo emas exoune internet den leei tipota - to linux den synepagetai internet oute xrisi ote. H eexi einai h pio armodia kai sxetiki gia to thema oxi to hellug. >O Proedros tou D.S. tou HELLUG >----------------------------- >Michalis Kabrianis >kabrianis at hellug.gr >----------------------------- Nikos From kabrianis at hellug.gr Tue Dec 29 15:48:46 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981229153429.007a6b60@hermes.cc.uoi.gr> Message-ID: On 29-Dec-98 Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > At 11:21 AM 12/29/98 +0200, you wrote: >>To keimeno ayto twra einai adeio. Parakalw promitheyste mas me stoixeia. >>Eyxaristw ek twn proterwn gia tin boitheia sas se ayto to thema pou mas kaiei >>olous. > Mas kaiei... alla ti noima exei h diamartiria san linux-greek-users? > (hellug). > To oti polloi apo emas exoune internet den leei tipota - to linux den > synepagetai internet > oute xrisi ote. H eexi einai h pio armodia kai sxetiki gia to thema oxi to > hellug. > > > Nikos H EEXI an den to kserete, para to onoma tis, einai allos enas ISP. Den einai ayto pou fantazomaste ws "Enwsi Ellinwn xristwn Internet" giati an itan tha eimastan oloi grammenoi ekei, etsi? An tithetai thema armodiotitas, einai "opoios ton peirazei" An tithetai thema sxetikotitas, pistevw oti i FORTHnet kai i HOL einai POLY pio sxetikes. Alla to noima einai na ginei mia organwmeni kinisi. Gi ayto lew san HELLUG, kathara internet-ostrafis syllogos, na ksekinisoume aytin tin organwsi. Giati oute oi "4" (Forthnet, HOL, Compulink, Hellasnet) enimerwsan tin EEXI gia to keimeno diamartyrias pou egrapsan, oute i EEXI enimerwse (ap' oti kserw) tous "4" gia tin synantisi. Ekei einai kathara epaggelmatika pedia. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From bakira at new-europe.gr Tue Dec 29 16:52:43 1998 From: bakira at new-europe.gr (Katsifos Nikolaos) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:52:43 +0200 (EET) Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agaphte Michali Lypame pou Qa to po alla den ta ksereis kala ta pramata --------------------------------------------------------------- H EEXI --DEN EINAI ISP--.... --------------------------------------------------------------- Einai afilokerdes somatio me skopo thn prooQhsh tou Internet sthn Ellada Den exei metoxes kai metoxous Exei danistikes vivliothikes Diorganonei seminaria -polles fores dorean- eite sta grafeia ths eite se ksenous xorous Parexei sta melh tou -kai mono- Internet dialup prosvash eno kata kairous exei dosei se sxoleia dorean dialup prosvash Se parapempo sto katastatiko http://w4u.eexi.gr/~mlilos/eexi/katastatiko.htm ..kai stous skopous ths http://www.eexi.gr/greek/innerweb/target.html Tora gia poio logo den eisai esy melos einai diko sou provlima Einai alloi xilioi... poloi apo tous opoious den exoun dialup apo thn EEXI Fysika os sylogos exei D.S. to opoio ananeonetai kaQe xrono Pame tora para kato H taphnh mou gnomh: H EEXI einai isos o monadikos xoros pou mporei na enosei to synolo ton atomon pou Qygontai apo ta poio pano metra (an vevaia kynhQei sosta logo tou afilokerdous kai amisQou xaraktira tou) Fysika se synergasia me tous allous Vlepeis oi ypoloipoi tesereis vriskoun thn ysxhtous mesa apo thn epagkelmatikh tous enasxolhsh eno h ENOSH apo thn dynamh pou exei sto synolo ton atomon ths Giayto pisteyo oti Qa prepei na enoQoume me thn sygkentrosh ths EEXI Giati auto pou Qigete den einai o kiklos ergasion ton ISP's alla h tseph mas.... Panta Filika p.s. Oso gia to HELLUG einai ena User Group neosystato xoris arketa meloi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nikos L. Katsifos SysAdmin of New Europe Network bakira at new-europe.gr E.E.X.I member bakira at eexi.gr I.Soc member # 1334702 HELLUG member bakira at hellug.gr http://w4u.eexi.gr/~bakira Cyberpunks of the World unite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > > H EEXI an den to kserete, para to onoma tis, einai allos enas ISP. > Den einai ayto pou fantazomaste ws "Enwsi Ellinwn xristwn Internet" giati an > itan tha eimastan oloi grammenoi ekei, etsi? > An tithetai thema armodiotitas, einai "opoios ton peirazei" > An tithetai thema sxetikotitas, pistevw oti i FORTHnet kai i HOL einai POLY pio > sxetikes. > > Alla to noima einai na ginei mia organwmeni kinisi. Gi ayto lew san HELLUG, > kathara internet-ostrafis syllogos, na ksekinisoume aytin tin organwsi. > > Giati oute oi "4" (Forthnet, HOL, Compulink, Hellasnet) enimerwsan tin EEXI gia > to keimeno diamartyrias pou egrapsan, oute i EEXI enimerwse (ap' oti kserw) > tous "4" gia tin synantisi. > > Ekei einai kathara epaggelmatika pedia. > > ----------------------------- > Michalis Kabrianis > kabrianis at hellug.gr > ----------------------------- > From flouris at csi.forth.gr Tue Dec 29 19:04:15 1998 From: flouris at csi.forth.gr (Mike Flouris) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:04:15 +0200 Subject: Gia ta cd.. References: <367F9C12.BE936F2B@ametro.gr> <367F9D9E.B0765ECE@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <36890B8F.816EB821@ics.forth.gr> Gerassimos Toumazatos wrote: > > Paidia gia ton Marko mhn anoigoyme uema. > ua to steilw egw. > Exw ftiajei to paketto hdh. > Ua cajw ligo to T.K. giati san lauos moy fainetai kai > ayrio ua fygei. > > Gerassimos Exw ki egw ena CD me SuSe poy moy perisseyei ... Steilte kammia dieythynsh na to steilw . Mike & -- ............................................................ Michail D. Flouris -Graduate Student in Computer Science, University of Crete. -Software Engineer, Operating Systems and HPCN Division, Institute of Computer Science (ICS), FO.R.T.H. Address : Science & Technology Park, P.O.Box 1385, Heraklio, Crete, GR-711-10 GREECE. Phone : +30 81 391437 (CARV Room - ICS) Email : flouris at ics.forth.gr | flouris at csd.uch.gr URL : http://www.ics.forth.gr/~flouris ............................................................ From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Tue Dec 29 19:57:25 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:57:25 +0200 (EET DST) Subject: Gia ta cd.. In-Reply-To: <36890B8F.816EB821@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: > Gerassimos Toumazatos wrote: > > > > Paidia gia ton Marko mhn anoigoyme uema. > > ua to steilw egw. Einai entajei me ayton? oxi tipota allo, tou eixa pei kai egw. On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Mike Flouris wrote: > Exw ki egw ena CD me SuSe poy moy perisseyei ... Steilte kammia > dieythynsh na to steilw . Ean eisai Krhth, krata to ekei. Olo kai kapoios tha to xreiazetai. BTW, pws einai ta metaptyxiaka sto Hraklio? +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From kabrianis at hellug.gr Wed Dec 30 15:31:42 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:31:42 +0200 (EET) Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tha me piasoun ta klamata. Panta me pairnete apo ta moutra :-( On 29-Dec-98 Katsifos Nikolaos wrote: > > Agaphte Michali > > Lypame pou Qa to po alla den ta ksereis kala ta pramata > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > H EEXI --DEN EINAI ISP--.... > --------------------------------------------------------------- Egw pali den lypamai pou den kserw kala ta pragmata. Antitheta XAIROMAI an osa les einai alitheia. Se kamia periptwsi den ithela na thiksw tin EEXI, tin opoia kai ektimw (kai to exw ksanapei, des ta archives) kai me tin opoia exoume skopo ws HELLUG na synergastoume alla... as kanoume mia sygkrisi me kapoion ISP na mou peis ti diafora. > Einai afilokerdes somatio me skopo thn prooQhsh tou Internet sthn Ellada > Den exei metoxes kai metoxous Swsta ws edw, alla ayta einai titloi. Exei ypallilous, oi opoioi einai meli tis, exei D.S. to opoio einai emmistho klp klp. Tipota mempto se ayta, apla na dieykrinizontai. > Exei danistikes vivliothikes Gia ta meli. > Diorganonei seminaria -polles fores dorean- eite sta grafeia ths eite > se ksenous xorous Osa exw dei einai me ekptwsi i dwrean gia ta meli. Gia toys ypoloipous einai epi plirwmi (katholou kako. Apla to dieykrinizw). An kanw lathos sygnommi. Apo tin alli meria, enas ISP (i FORTHnet gia paradeigma, tin opoia kserw) exei eidiki timi gia tous pelates tis, gia tin ypiresia S.M.A.R.T. Ara exeis dikio mono an pragmati einai dwrean gia olo ton kosmo. Einai? Alliws i diafora egkeitai sto TI prosfereis sta meli sou i tous pelates sou (opws tous onomazei o kathenas, analoga me ton prosanatolismo tis etaireias) kai oxi sto AN prosfereis. > Parexei sta melh tou -kai mono- Internet dialup prosvash Kala, ayto tha to deis parakatw. > eno kata kairous exei dosei se sxoleia dorean dialup prosvash Kai oloi oi ISPs dinoun dwrean prosbasi se diaforous organismous: p.x. Athina 2004 (FORTHnet) Syllogos prostasias aggenitou paidiou (OTEnet) Linux.gr (HOL) :-) klp klp klp Kathara thema dimosiwn sxesewn. > > Se parapempo sto katastatiko > http://w4u.eexi.gr/~mlilos/eexi/katastatiko.htm > ..kai stous skopous ths > http://www.eexi.gr/greek/innerweb/target.html > > Tora gia poio logo den eisai esy melos einai diko sou provlima > Einai alloi xilioi... poloi apo tous opoious den exoun dialup apo thn > EEXI Kai einai gyrw stous 80.000 oi xristes tou Internet stin Ellada. To oti stin eexi einai 1000 (pou mallon einai 5000 kai oxi 1000) den simainei tipota, etsi? Teleytaia fora pou koitaksa (1995, opote ekana kai ena seminario EPI PLIRWMI), i syndromi melous kostize oso i syndromi se kapoion ISP. Twra an kapoioi einai meli, plirwnoun 70.000 to xrono kai DEN xrisimopoioun to dialup tis EEXI, den to kserw kai ayto DEN einai diko mou problima. Episis an tote mou eixan pei psemmata sxetika me tis times, i an exei allaksei i EEXI tin timologiaki tis politiki i otidipote allo, episis DEN einai diko mou problima. Alla an einai na dwsw 70.000 se kapoion syllogo gia na kerdisw (ylistika to simantikotero) kapoia ekptwsi se seminaria pou den exw ton xrono na kanw (kai den xreiazomai pleon) kai mia dialup syndesi, protimw na ta dwsw se kapoion ISP me pio grigores grammes. Enw den exw kanena problima na dwsw 2.000 se kapoion allo syllogo gia na kerdisw (pali me tin idia logiki) ena mail-forward, i kai tipota (opws eixe ksekinisei stin arxi). > Fysika os sylogos exei D.S. to opoio ananeonetai kaQe xrono Kai mia A.E. episis :-) > > Pame tora para kato > > H taphnh mou gnomh: > H EEXI einai isos o monadikos xoros pou mporei na enosei to synolo > ton atomon pou Qygontai apo ta poio pano metra (an vevaia kynhQei sosta > logo tou afilokerdous kai amisQou xaraktira tou) Nai, alla den thigontai mono oi xristes tou Internet, ara i EEXI prepei na kanei stin akri kai na analabei i Enosi Prostasias Katanalwtwn i opws diabolo ayti legetai. Etsi? AN bebaia poume oti i EEXI tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous xristes tou Internet, pou einai yposynolo twn syndromitwn tou OTE, mporoume apla na poume oti kai o HELLUG tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous linuxades, pou einai yposynolo twn xristwn tou Internet. Idia logiki einai. > > Fysika se synergasia me tous allous Fysika. Kai telika ayto einai to thema. Na min ginoun memonomenes kiniseis. Eksallou to ksekatharisa sto proigoumeno mail mou, oti AN telika to ksekinisoume, tote tha enimerwsoume kai tha kalesoume se systrateysi tous pantes. > > Vlepeis oi ypoloipoi tesereis vriskoun thn ysxh tous mesa apo thn > epagkelmatikh tous enasxolhsh eno h ENOSH apo thn dynamh pou exei sto > synolo ton atomon ths To opoio einai poly mikro se sxesi me tous pelates olwn twn ISPs, ara i piesi tha einai megalyteri apo tous ISPs? H mipws prepei na milaei kapoios oso mikros ki an einai? Giati an isxyei ayto, tote exei kai o HELLUG logo. > Giayto pisteyo oti Qa prepei na enoQoume me thn sygkentrosh ths EEXI > Giati auto pou Qigete den einai o kiklos ergasion ton ISP's alla h tseph > mas.... Kanena problima, alla egw exw account se matrix, acropolis kai forthnet kai DEN enimervthika apo tin EEXI. Oute o HELLUG episis. Kai an den itan kapoia meli tis EEXI edw mesa, den tha to mathainame akoma. Sto de site tis EEXI den yparxei tipota. Mallon pasxei epikoinwniaka i EEXI, den nomizeis? > > Panta Filika > Nai, se pistevw, eksalou den exoume tipota na xwrisoume. > p.s. Oso gia to HELLUG einai ena User Group neosystato xoris arketa meloi Kai ayto se KAMIA PERIPTWSI den simainei oti prepei na to boulwnei kai na afinei allous na bgaloun to fidi apo tin trypa. Kai o typos apo tin Bostoni einai enas mono kai malista stin Ameriki, alla ksekinise kati me ena banner, kai ayti ti stigmi kati kineitai, etsi? An twra i lista (diladi o HELLUG) pistevei oti den prepei na kanoume tipota ws syllogos, wrganwmena, alla o kathenas monos tou ws melos tis eexi, kanena problima. Apo douleia me glytwnete outws i allws. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Nikos L. Katsifos > SysAdmin of New Europe Network bakira at new-europe.gr > E.E.X.I member bakira at eexi.gr > I.Soc member # 1334702 > HELLUG member bakira at hellug.gr > > http://w4u.eexi.gr/~bakira > Cyberpunks of the World unite > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Xronia polla, ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr Wed Dec 30 16:53:57 1998 From: ma06205 at cc.uoi.gr (Nikos Mavroyanopoulos) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:53:57 +0200 Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981230165357.007ab9e0@hermes.cc.uoi.gr> At 03:31 PM 12/30/98 +0200, you wrote: >Nai, alla den thigontai mono oi xristes tou Internet, ara i EEXI prepei na >kanei stin akri kai na analabei i Enosi Prostasias Katanalwtwn i opws diabolo >ayti legetai. Etsi? AN bebaia poume oti i EEXI tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous >xristes tou Internet, pou einai yposynolo twn syndromitwn tou OTE, mporoume >apla na poume oti kai o HELLUG tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous linuxades, pou einai >yposynolo twn xristwn tou Internet. Idia logiki einai. Kairos loipon na ekdilothoune kai oi os/2 users kai oi windows 98 users... Ti diamartiria mporei na kanei o syllogos filwn enos leitourgikou kata tis timologiakis tou ote? Ths deh deixnei pio logiko :) Den einai kan mesa stous stoxous mas. >Kanena problima, alla egw exw account se matrix, acropolis kai forthnet kai DEN ^^^^^^^^ !!! apo pote eisoun ekei? >Kai ayto se KAMIA PERIPTWSI den simainei oti prepei na to boulwnei kai na >afinei allous na bgaloun to fidi apo tin trypa. >Kai o typos apo tin Bostoni einai enas mono kai malista stin Ameriki, alla >ksekinise kati me ena banner, kai ayti ti stigmi kati kineitai, etsi? Auto den mporw na katalavw... Thixtike autos pou den plirwnei ston ote... Mipws einai allos o logos pou thixtike? >An twra i lista (diladi o HELLUG) pistevei oti den prepei na kanoume tipota ws >syllogos, wrganwmena, alla o kathenas monos tou ws melos tis eexi, kanena oxi memonomena... alla oxi kai san hellug. >Xronia polla, kai kali prwtoxronia >----------------------------- >Michalis Kabrianis >kabrianis at hellug.gr >----------------------------- Nikos From kabrianis at hellug.gr Wed Dec 30 17:24:40 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:24:40 +0200 (EET) Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981230165357.007ab9e0@hermes.cc.uoi.gr> Message-ID: On 30-Dec-98 Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > At 03:31 PM 12/30/98 +0200, you wrote: > >>Nai, alla den thigontai mono oi xristes tou Internet, ara i EEXI prepei na >>kanei stin akri kai na analabei i Enosi Prostasias Katanalwtwn i opws diabolo >>ayti legetai. Etsi? AN bebaia poume oti i EEXI tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous >>xristes tou Internet, pou einai yposynolo twn syndromitwn tou OTE, mporoume >>apla na poume oti kai o HELLUG tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous linuxades, pou > einai >>yposynolo twn xristwn tou Internet. Idia logiki einai. > > Kairos loipon na ekdilothoune kai oi os/2 users kai oi windows 98 users... > Ti diamartiria > mporei na kanei o syllogos filwn enos leitourgikou kata tis timologiakis > tou ote? Ths deh deixnei > pio logiko :) To blepeis lathos. Des to ligo diaforetika: H timologiaki politiki tou OTE epirreazei 5.000.000 atoma (tosa peripou prepei na einai ta tilefwna stin Ellada). To oti oi xristes Internet einai 80.000 (diladi meionotita - 1.6%) simainei oti den tha milisoun? An to deis etsi tha deis oti o opoiosdipote thigomenos milaei, kai malista ayti einai i synithis taktiki piesis. > Den einai kan mesa stous stoxous mas. Antigrafw apo to http://www.hellug.gr/gr/hellug/skopos.html : Θέληση του συλλόγου είναι να γεφυρώσει προβλήματα απόστασης που πιθανά αποθαρρύνουν κάποιους χρήστες να συμμετάσχουν ενεργά σε τέτοιες προσπάθειες για αυτό και οι ομάδες εργασίας θα βασίζονται (όπως και παντού άλλωστε) αρκετά και στην ηλεκτρονική επικοινωνία. Ara mproume na poume oti kwlyontas tin ilektroniki epikoinwnia, thetei se kindyno tin idia tin yparksi tou sullogou.(!!!) Kai an theloume dikaiologia gia na mpleksoume, tin briskoume, min anysixeite. :-) > >>Kanena problima, alla egw exw account se matrix, acropolis kai forthnet > kai DEN > ^^^^^^^^ > !!! apo pote eisoun ekei? Acropolis apo ton Iounio tou 95 an thymamai kala, stin matrix apo Ianouario tou 98 kai stin Forthnet apo Ioulio tou 98 (kai to 1994 gia 2 mines, otan akoma i FORTHnet den edine dial-up, stin Kriti). Hmoun episis to 1994 to kalokairi stin Compulink, kai kapoia feggaria stin ONNED. Eixa kai dial-up account apo to Geoponiko Panepistimio otan douleva ekei. Koinws exw allaksei arketous providers an itan ayti i erwtisi. >>Kai ayto se KAMIA PERIPTWSI den simainei oti prepei na to boulwnei kai na >>afinei allous na bgaloun to fidi apo tin trypa. >>Kai o typos apo tin Bostoni einai enas mono kai malista stin Ameriki, alla >>ksekinise kati me ena banner, kai ayti ti stigmi kati kineitai, etsi? > Auto den mporw na katalavw... Thixtike autos pou den plirwnei ston ote... > Mipws einai allos o logos pou thixtike? > Den kserw, alla kala ekane kai thixtike. Kapoios eprepe na milisei. > >>An twra i lista (diladi o HELLUG) pistevei oti den prepei na kanoume > tipota ws >>syllogos, wrganwmena, alla o kathenas monos tou ws melos tis eexi, kanena > oxi memonomena... alla oxi kai san hellug. > Sygnwmmi, alla egw sto HELLUG anikw, kai mono me ayto mporw na leitoyrgisw ws syllogos. An anika stin EEXI tha elega na kanoume kati san EEXI (opws kanei) kai an anika stis Oursoulines tha elega na kanoume kati san Ousoulines. >>Xronia polla, > kai kali prwtoxronia > Ki apo mena ta idia. ----------------------------- Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr ----------------------------- From bakira at new-europe.gr Wed Dec 30 19:37:10 1998 From: bakira at new-europe.gr (Katsifos Nikolaos) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:37:10 +0200 (EET) Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AKOLOUTHEI POLY MEGALO EMAIL > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:31:42 +0200 (EET) > From: Michalis Kabrianis > Reply-To: hellug at hellug.gr > To: hellug at hellug.gr > Subject: Re: OTE kai HELLUG :-) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > H EEXI --DEN EINAI ISP--.... > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Egw pali den lypamai pou den kserw kala ta pragmata. Antitheta XAIROMAI an osa > les einai alitheia. > Se kamia periptwsi den ithela na thiksw tin EEXI, tin opoia kai ektimw (kai to > exw ksanapei, des ta archives) kai me tin opoia exoume skopo ws HELLUG na > synergastoume alla... as kanoume mia sygkrisi me kapoion ISP na mou peis ti > diafora. > Meta xaras :) Exoume kai leme > > Einai afilokerdes somatio me skopo thn prooQhsh tou Internet sthn Ellada > > Den exei metoxes kai metoxous > > Swsta ws edw, alla ayta einai titloi. Exei ypallilous, oi opoioi einai meli > tis, exei D.S. to opoio einai emmistho klp klp. Tipota mempto se > ayta, apla na dieykrinizontai. Titloi alla gia na yparxoyn kapoio nohma 0a exei. Arxizoume loipon: Den exei metoxes shmainei den endiaferetai na bgalei kerdh. Ara oti dinei to dinei se kostos. H EEXI den endiaferetai na bgalei kerdofores xrhseis kai oti lefta eispratei ta ependyei se eksoplismo. Gia ayto kai me mhden kefalaio einai shmera ayto pou einai. Akoma kai na dialy0ei, h periousia h 0a paei anagkastika sto kratos h se koinwfelh skopo kai oxi sta melh Ti na kanoume. An h0ele diaforetika as ginotane A.E. :) *Enas ISP (px FORTHnet)kanei to idio? * To DS DEN PLHRVNETAI alla prosferei e0elontikh ergasia. Apo osa atoma exoun perasei se DS mono enas htan ypallhlos. Apo persi me apofash syneleyshs to DS oxi mono den plhrwnetai alla kai PLHRWNEI kanonika opws oloi syndromh. O diey0ynths soy plhrwnei dialup? * Enas ISP (px FORTHnet)kanei to idio? * Oi ergazomenoi einai 2. An ksereis esy ISP na doyleyei me 2 ergazomenous tote na mas pei pws to katafernei. Oi ypoloipes ergasies ginontai e0elontika dwrean. (kai sigoura opws 0a fantazesai yparxoun arketes) * Enas ISP (px FORTHnet)kanei to idio? * > > > Exei danistikes vivliothikes > > Gia ta meli. > An exeis 300 biblia kai ta daneiseis se olous meta den 0a exeis tipota na daneiseis se kanena. An ta daneizeis se melh pou sou dinoune kai 1.000 drx to mhna, tote kai 0a sta epistrepsoune kai 0a agoraseis kai alla. Aplh logikh. Emeis sto HELLUG ti 0a kaname? *Enas ISP (px FORTHnet)kanei to idio? * > > Diorganonei seminaria -polles fores dorean- eite sta grafeia ths eite > > se ksenous xorous > > Osa exw dei einai me ekptwsi i dwrean gia ta meli. Gia toys ypoloipous einai > epi plirwmi (katholou kako. Apla to dieykrinizw). An kanw lathos sygnommi. > Apo tin alli meria, enas ISP (i FORTHnet gia paradeigma, tin opoia kserw) exei > eidiki timi gia tous pelates tis, gia tin ypiresia S.M.A.R.T. > > Ara exeis dikio mono an pragmati einai dwrean gia olo ton kosmo. Einai? Alliws i > diafora egkeitai sto TI prosfereis sta meli sou i tous pelates sou (opws tous > onomazei o kathenas, analoga me ton prosanatolismo tis etaireias) kai oxi sto > AN prosfereis. An ebrikse tropo na kalypsei ta eksoda tou xwrou ths kai thn grammh se FORTHnet-OTEnet tha htane dwrean kai ola ta alla. Alla mexri na ginei melos ths EEXI kai o Bardinogiannis kapws prepei na kalyptei ta eksoda ths wste na prosferei se osous exoun ligotera apo emas. * Clear logic * > > > eno kata kairous exei dosei se sxoleia dorean dialup prosvash > > Kai oloi oi ISPs dinoun dwrean prosbasi se diaforous organismous: > > p.x. Athina 2004 (FORTHnet) > Syllogos prostasias aggenitou paidiou (OTEnet) > Linux.gr (HOL) :-) > klp klp klp > Astoxo to paradeigma. h EEXI dinei dwrean peripou to 30% ths dynamikothtas toy dialup ths, se sxoleia, atoma me eidikes anagkes, swmateia, syllogous klp. * Enas ISP (px FORTHnet)kanei to idio? * > Kathara thema dimosiwn sxesewn. > La0os H EEXI den diafhmizei pou0ena gia oti xarizei, giati apla ta atoma ta endiaferei h prosfora kai oxi na tous poume mprabo. H EEXI dinei dwrean prosbash se anaphrous, to FORTHnet sto Athina 2004. Einai profanes poios endiaferetai gia dhmosies sxeseis kai poios gia to Internet. *Enas ISP (px FORTHnet)kanei to idio? * > > > > Se parapempo sto katastatiko > > http://w4u.eexi.gr/~mlilos/eexi/katastatiko.htm > > ..kai stous skopous ths > > http://www.eexi.gr/greek/innerweb/target.html > > > > Tora gia poio logo den eisai esy melos einai diko sou provlima > > Einai alloi xilioi... poloi apo tous opoious den exoun dialup apo thn > > EEXI > > Kai einai gyrw stous 80.000 oi xristes tou Internet stin Ellada. To oti stin > eexi einai 1000 (pou mallon einai 5000 kai oxi 1000) den simainei tipota, etsi? > Anipostato Kato apo ayth thn synQhkh ta 54 meloi tou HELLUG einai oloi xrhstes LINUX ths Ellados Shmainei kati. Oti oi texnikoi ths pou sthsane e0elontika ta prwta mhxanhmata sterwntas ta apo to spiti tous den htan kaloi sto marketing kai ton kompasmo gia na er0oun kai alla melh. (eksalou ksereis kai pollous Ellhnes na 0eloun na prosferoun?) * Enas ISP (px FORTHnet)kanei to idio? * > Teleytaia fora pou koitaksa (1995, opote ekana kai ena seminario EPI PLIRWMI), i > syndromi melous kostize oso i syndromi se kapoion ISP. Plhrwses isws ws foithths 5.000drx gia seminario 15 wrwn? Ksereis kapws eprepe na plhrw0ei kai to FORTHnet pou edine grammh sta PC. To eipame. Alliws den tha ekanes kan to seminario. Kai to FORTHnet den thn edine dwrean. Blepeis tous peiraze epeidh h EEXI xarize se kapoious syllogous (istioploikous) pou tous h0ele epi plhrwmh pelates. Den bariesai ... Ksereis kapoios gnwstos sto xwro eixe pei sthn EEXI thnn swsth koubenta: 'Eiste malakes giati xarizetai ayto pou oi alloi prospa0oun na poulhsoun. Gia ayto kai 0a exete panta problhma'. > Twra an kapoioi einai meli, plirwnoun 70.000 to xrono kai DEN xrisimopoioun to > dialup tis EEXI, den to kserw kai ayto DEN einai diko mou problima. Episis an > tote mou eixan pei psemmata sxetika me tis times, i an exei allaksei i EEXI tin > timologiaki tis politiki i otidipote allo, H EEXI exei sta0eres times apo to 1995. Oi times ths den exoun allaksei pote sthn istoria ths. Mhpws einai pio pi0ano na katalabes esy la0os apo to na sou 'eipane psemmata'. ??? H timh gia na einai kapoios melos einai 6.000 drx/eksamhno. An kapoio melos 0elei kai dialup einai 20.000/6mhno. Mikro to kostos. Pollous stenoxwrei ayto. Thn EEXI oxi. > Alla an einai na dwsw 70.000 se kapoion syllogo gia na kerdisw (ylistika to > simantikotero) kapoia ekptwsi se seminaria pou den exw ton xrono na kanw (kai Polla melh dwsane panw apo 70 ton xrono xwris na paroune tipota. Eixane dialup apo tis sxoles tous kai seminaria den xreiazontousan giati aytoi htane kai eishghtes. Dwrean eishghtes. Alla plhrwnane kai apo panw gia na exeis esy PC na kaneis seminario me 5.000 dxr. Elpizontas pws den skeftesai Ylistika. > den xreiazomai pleon) kai mia dialup syndesi, protimw na ta dwsw se kapoion ISP > me pio grigores grammes. Enw den exw kanena problima na dwsw 2.000 se kapoion > allo syllogo gia na kerdisw (pali me tin idia logiki) ena mail-forward, i kai > tipota (opws eixe ksekinisei stin arxi). > Gia ta noumera sou eipa parapanw. File sthn EEXI yparxei kai h logikh DINOUME 2.000 gia na exoume thn xara na prosferoume. OXI gia na paroume. Ksereis kati ? Den dinei panta kaneis gia na kerdisei... Toulaxisto sthn EEXI. > Fysika os sylogos exei D.S. to opoio ananeonetai kaQe xrono > > Kai mia A.E. episis :-) > Sthn EEXI to amis0o DS pshfizetai apo ta melh tou swmateiou, opws pshfisane -h' prokeite na psyfisoune stis eperxomenes ekloges -kai esena. H HELUG einai AE ? As mazepsei loipon kai to FORTHnet tous xrhstes toy, as paraith0ei to DS kai na tous pei na dioikhsoun aytoi. * Enas ISP (px FORTHnet) tha kanei to idio ? * > > > > Pame tora para kato > > > > H taphnh mou gnomh: > > H EEXI einai isos o monadikos xoros pou mporei na enosei to synolo > > ton atomon pou Qygontai apo ta poio pano metra (an vevaia kynhQei sosta > > logo tou afilokerdous kai amisQou xaraktira tou) > > Nai, alla den thigontai mono oi xristes tou Internet, ara i EEXI prepei na > kanei stin akri kai na analabei i Enosi Prostasias Katanalwtwn i opws To giati h EEXI prepei na kanei sthn akrh den to ekshgeis. As psaksoume omws na broume thn Enwsh Katanalwtwn (isws sta grafeia kapoias kladikhs kommatos?) h kalytera sthn Enwsh Prostasias Hlikiomenwn afou aftoi kata kanona thigontai perissoteroi afou xrhsimopoioun thlefwno perissotero apo olous mas. Mporeis na mou ekshghseis giati prepei h Enwsh na kanei sthn akrh? > ayti legetai. Etsi? AN bebaia poume oti i EEXI tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous > xristes tou Internet, pou einai yposynolo twn syndromitwn tou OTE, mporoume > apla na poume oti kai o HELLUG tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous linuxades, pou einai > yposynolo twn xristwn tou Internet. Idia logiki einai. > ...kai oi opoioi einai yposynolo twn katoikwn ths ghs. Symfwnos. Kai h polykatoikia mou einai yposynolo ths Elladas. As mas ekproswphsei tote olous ston OTE. Blepeis oti me thn logikh toy paralogou den ginetai syzhthsh. > > > > Fysika se synergasia me tous allous > > Fysika. Kai telika ayto einai to thema. Na min ginoun memonomenes kiniseis. > Eksallou to ksekatharisa sto proigoumeno mail mou, oti AN telika to > ksekinisoume, tote tha enimerwsoume kai tha kalesoume se systrateysi tous > pantes. > > > > > Vlepeis oi ypoloipoi tesereis vriskoun thn ysxh tous mesa apo thn > > epagkelmatikh tous enasxolhsh eno h ENOSH apo thn dynamh pou exei sto > > synolo ton atomon ths > > To opoio einai poly mikro se sxesi me tous pelates olwn twn ISPs, ara i piesi > tha einai megalyteri apo tous ISPs? H mipws prepei na milaei kapoios oso mikros > ki an einai? Giati an isxyei ayto, tote exei kai o HELLUG logo. > Oi ISP prostateyoun ta symferonta to poly 10 atomwn h nomikwn proswpwn. H HOL tou idiokthth ths toy k. Fessa, h Hellasnet tou idiokthth ths toy Bardinogianh, H Compulink toy idiokthth ths toy Manoussou kai to FORTHnet twn 3 metoxwn tou. H EEXI ekfrazei ta symferonta an oxi olwn twn Internet xrhstwn, alla merikwn xiliadwn apo aytous. > > Giayto pisteyo oti Qa prepei na enoQoume me thn sygkentrosh ths EEXI > > Giati auto pou Qigete den einai o kiklos ergasion ton ISP's alla h tseph > > mas.... > > Kanena problima, alla egw exw account se matrix, acropolis kai forthnet kai DEN > enimervthika apo tin EEXI. Oute o HELLUG episis. > Kai an den itan kapoia meli tis EEXI edw mesa, den tha to mathainame akoma. > Sto de site tis EEXI den yparxei tipota. Mallon pasxei epikoinwniaka i EEXI, > den nomizeis? > Emeis HELLUG an 0eloune na apofasisoume agwna, tha mazeytoume se ena trapezi se mia taberna 10 atoma kai tha to apofasisoume. To idio kai enas ISP. Sthn EEXI epeidh apofasizoun oi polloi, xreiazetai mia fora na mazeytoune sto xwro tous. H 0ewreis oti h EEXI eprepe na kanei spamming se ka0e Internet user ? As ths dwseis thn lista twn emails twn users tou FORTHnet kai den apokleietai na kanei kai spamming an dwseis thn adeia. Tha thn dwseis ? * Enas ISP (px. OPOIOSDHPOTE) tha kanei to idio? * > > > > Panta Filika > > > > Nai, se pistevw, eksalou den exoume tipota na xwrisoume. > > > p.s. Oso gia to HELLUG einai ena User Group neosystato xoris arketa meloi > > Kai ayto se KAMIA PERIPTWSI den simainei oti prepei na to boulwnei kai na > afinei allous na bgaloun to fidi apo tin trypa. Kai sthn EEXI to idio pisteyoun. Den 0eloun na to boulwsoun. Kapoious tha peiraksei ayto. Tous ISP h tous xrhstes? Den apantw egw sto erwthma. > Kai o typos apo tin Bostoni einai enas mono kai malista stin Ameriki, alla > ksekinise kati me ena banner, kai ayti ti stigmi kati kineitai, etsi? > > An twra i lista (diladi o HELLUG) pistevei oti den prepei na kanoume tipota ws > syllogos, wrganwmena, alla o kathenas monos tou ws melos tis eexi, kanena > problima. Apo douleia me glytwnete outws i allws. Les oti prepei na kanoume emeis (HELLUG) kati, alla 'h EEXI na kanei sthn akrh'. Den blepeis kapoia ANTIFASH se ayto? Epishs den eipa na pame na ginoume(te) meloi ths EEXI Apla se tetoiou eidous katastaseis kapoioi organismoi syspironontai gia na ktypisoun ton koino exQro KAI AYTOS EINAI H LISTRIKH EPIDROMH TOU OTE STHN TSEPH MAS._ Den einai swsto na ksekiname me tetoies arnhtikes skepseis. Eksalou h EEXI oti kai na kanei den prokeitai na to kanei gia na parei th 'doksa'. OUTE GIA NA PAREI PERISOTERA MELOI Pente xronia twra to exei apodeiksei kati tetoio. Menei na to apodeiksoume kai emeis. Panta filika kai eortastika (alloste opos Qa eleges kai esy ti exoume na xorisoume) p.s. Disclaimer To onoma FORTHnet pou gia logous paradeigmatos epanalamvanete einai entelos tyxaio.... ALLOSTE ---EGO--- DEN EXO KAMIA SXESH ME TO FORTHNET H ALLO ISP ;-) Qa mporouse kalista na htan opoiosdhpote allos ISP..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nikos L. Katsifos SysAdmin of New Europe Network bakira at new-europe.gr http://www.new-europe.gr/~bakira Cyberpunks of the World unite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gef at ceid.upatras.gr Wed Dec 30 21:03:18 1998 From: gef at ceid.upatras.gr (Georgatos Fotis) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:03:18 +0200 (EET DST) Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rikste nero sto krasi sas. (kai koneio sto pothri tou OTE...) Kapoios - den thymamai poios - eipe: >KAI AYTOS EINAI H LISTRIKH EPIDROMH TOU OTE STHN TSEPH MAS._ Den kaigomai idiaitera gia to thema twn monadwn se sxesh me to Internet, alla genikotera anyshxw gia to thlepikoinwniako teras pou xrono me to xrono mas phgainei olo kai pio konta sto 2000pX. O OTE exei ekmetalleytei polles fores thn monwpoliakh toy thesh, gia na epibalei thl/kous FOROUS ston Elladiko xwro. H magkia einai na eisai se antagwnistiko periballon kai na kaneis aykhseis, wste to kostos na epimerizetai kai sthn etaireia. Ayto pou kanei o OTE einai poly apla rousfeti, ena synexes rousfeti eis ofelos twn ergazomenvn tou me to prosxhma ths anaptykshs twn ellhnikwn thlepikoinwniwn (as gelasoume - deite ti YPHRESIES exoun eksw). Exete skeftei posoi einai 600.000 misthoi se mia xwra 10.000.000? Mhpws o OTE kanei koinwniko ergo kai den to exoume parei xampari? Sto dia tayta, as mhn exoume alla sygkritika test metaksy forthnet eexi klp. Pistevw, opws kai alloi pithanotata, oti prepei na enwsoume thn fwnh mas me to megisto dynato plithos, isws thn Enwsh Prostasias Katanalwtwn, afou milame gia ena problhma pou apasxolei poly kosmo. Ean twra ayth h Enwsh den antapokrinetai se ayto pou prepei, as kateboume sthn klimaka dhladh [???] EEXI, HELUG, monos mou... > On 30-Dec-98 Nikos Mavroyanopoulos wrote: > >>Nai, alla den thigontai mono oi xristes tou Internet, ara i EEXI prepei na > >>kanei stin akri kai na analabei i Enosi Prostasias Katanalwtwn i opws > diabolo ayti legetai. On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Michalis Kabrianis wrote: > Θέληση του συλλόγου είναι να γεφυρώσει προβλήματα απόστασης που πιθανά > αποθαρρύνουν κάποιους χρήστες να συμμετάσχουν ενεργά σε τέτοιες προσπάθειες για > αυτό και οι ομάδες εργασίας θα βασίζονται (όπως και παντού άλλωστε) αρκετά και > στην ηλεκτρονική επικοινωνία. Akribws. H eyaisthitopoihsh sou Mixalh einai dikaiologhmenh me bash ayto, an kai blepw mprosta mou ena eyrytero problhma apo thn diadosh tou Linux (px to na mas klepsoun ton server, den einai kata prwteyonta logo problhma diadoshs tou Linux, alla parabash syntagmatikwn dikaiwmatwn!) > >>Kai o typos apo tin Bostoni einai enas mono kai malista stin Ameriki, alla > >>ksekinise kati me ena banner, kai ayti ti stigmi kati kineitai, etsi? > > Auto den mporw na katalavw... Thixtike autos pou den plirwnei ston ote... > > Mipws einai allos o logos pou thixtike? Aytoi oi problhmatismoi einai poly eystoxoi kai kalon einai na apanththoun. > Sygnwmmi, alla egw sto HELLUG anikw, kai mono me ayto mporw na leitoyrgisw ws > syllogos. An anika stin EEXI tha elega na kanoume kati san EEXI (opws kanei) > kai an anika stis Oursoulines tha elega na kanoume kati san Ousoulines. IMHO, Anhkoume oloi se mia omada adikhmenwn katanalwtwn, isws "dikaia" adikhmenwn, ean arnoumaste gia xronia na blepoume ta koina mas problhmata kai na enwnoume thn dynamh mas apenanti tous. San polla grapsame gia shmera, gemizoun kai ta mailbox panathema ta. Xronia polla se olous kai kalh xronia. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Georgatos Photis | University of Patras, | | | Dpt. of Computer Engineering & Informatics | | GGGG EEEE FFFF | N-th year student of CEID | | G E F +----------------------------------------------+ | G EEE FFF | www: http://www.ceid.upatras.gr/~gef | | G G E F | e-mail: mailto:gef at ceid.upatras.gr | | GGGG EEEE F | phone: +30-94-809595 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From kabrianis at hellug.gr Thu Dec 31 02:43:15 1998 From: kabrianis at hellug.gr (Michalis Kabrianis) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:43:15 -0000 (GMT) Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199812310131.BAA05466@mk.aua.gr> Epeidi ayto den mporei na synexistei etsi, metaferw tin syzitisi se proswpiko epipedo. Tha zitisw gsygnwmmi apo tin lista gia ayto to teleytaio (apo mena) megalo mail, alla kapoia themata ta opoia einai prosblitika, tha ta dieykrinisw enwpion olwn, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > File sthn EEXI yparxei kai h logikh DINOUME 2.000 gia na > exoume thn xara na prosferoume. OXI gia na paroume. > Ksereis kati ? Den dinei panta kaneis gia na kerdisei... > Toulaxisto sthn EEXI. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Na eyxaristeis tin tyxi sou pou den se eixa mprosta mou otan to egrafes ayto, giati enas apo tous dyo mas tha katelige sto nosokomeio. An yponnoeis OTIDIPOTE gia tin sxesi mou me to HELLUG, sto opoio tygxanei na prosferw kai OXI na pairnw, na exeis ta arxidia na ertheis na mou to peis katamoutra. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kai allo ena: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Egrapsa: Nai, alla den thigontai mono oi xristes tou Internet, ara i EEXI prepei na kanei stin akri kai na analabei i Enosi Prostasias Katanalwtwn i opws diabolo ayti legetai. Etsi? AN bebaia poume oti i EEXI tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous xristes tou Internet, pou einai yposynolo twn syndromitwn tou OTE, mporoume apla na poume oti kai o HELLUG tha ekprosopisei OLOUS tous linuxades, pou einai yposynolo twn xristwn tou Internet. Idia logiki einai. Kai egrapses: > Les oti prepei na kanoume emeis (HELLUG) kati, alla 'h EEXI na kanei > sthn akrh'. > Den blepeis kapoia ANTIFASH se ayto? Pote den eipa (opws to theteis ) oti i EEXI prepei na kanei stin akri. Htan mia topothetisi epektasis tis dikis sou logikis. Efoson yparxei i EEXI o Hellug na min milisei (eipes) kai efoson yparxei i Enwsi prostasias katanalwtwn, i EEXI na min milisei (eipa). Kai to ksekatharisa ayto pou ennoousa. Isws omws na min mporeses na to deis, etsi? Ksanadiabase to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Opoios endiaferetai gia ton skylokabga mas, as mas pei na tou kanoume ta mails cc. Thelw na tonisw omws oti to na kaneis tetoies sygkriseis metaksy EEXI kai FORTHnet, kai epitheseis kata tis FORTHnet einai toulaxiston anithiko. Kserei poly kala opoios diabase ta mails mou oti oudepote pira to meros tis FORTHnet se ayto i se allo thread, kai den exw oute skopo oute logo na to kanw. Dystyxws omws, protimises na bgaleis ta apothimena sou kai na apodeikseis to epipedo sou mesa apo ti lista. Krima, giati ligi wrimotita tha sou xreiazotane. On 30-Dec-98 Katsifos Nikolaos wrote: > > AKOLOUTHEI POLY MEGALO EMAIL > Michalis Kabrianis kabrianis at hellug.gr From tsakf at matrix.kapatel.gr Thu Dec 31 06:57:41 1998 From: tsakf at matrix.kapatel.gr (K.Tsakaloglou) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:57:41 +0200 Subject: OTE kai HELLUG :-) Message-ID: <01be347a$18a87420$0f02000a@Tsakf.kapatel.gr> Dystyxws opoy kai na breQo panta blepo antiparaQeseis poy sthn oysia toys den exoyn kai poli nohma. Ti paei na pei poios einai armodios na milhsei kai o allos na katsei sthn akrh? Yparxei ena problhhma kai as kanei o kathe enas oti kalytero nomizei. As fonaksei monos toy an Qelei,as enosei thn fonh toy me ton HELLUG, thn EEXI h thn ENWSH KATANALWTWN h as syntaxuei me opoion allon tropo nomizei kalytero. Qa protimoysa h psyxikh enegreia poy ksodevete gia tis antiparaQeseis na phgene sthn prospaQeia epilyshs toy problhmatos. Ayta ta liga apo mena. Kalh Xronia se oloys. tsakf at hellug.gr From kremidas at lrf.gr Thu Dec 31 15:16:31 1998 From: kremidas at lrf.gr (KREMMIDAS KLEANTHIS) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:16:31 +0000 Subject: Kali Xronia Message-ID: <199812312119.NAA01457@www.lrf.gr> Kalimera, Euxomai se olous kali xronia, o kainourgios xronos na sas ferei ygeia, eutuxia. Kremmidas Kleanthis System Administrator at Lambrakis Research Foundation (L.R.F) E-mail : Kremmidas.Kleanthis at lrf.gr kremmidas at yahoo.com kremidas at hotmail.com kremidas at hellug.gr Phone : (+301) 3311848 Fax : (+301) 3230668 Address : 3 Paparigopoulou st, 10561, Athens, Greece (GR) From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Dec 31 14:07:27 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:07:27 +0200 Subject: peri (neou) DS. Message-ID: <368B68FF.43B2D8C1@ametro.gr> Geia xara... mia pou bainei nea xronia, exoume kleisei ta themata pou ksekinisame (tha akolouthisei eklogoapologitiko email mia apo aftes tis imeres), eimaste arketo kairo prosorino DS (sterontas ta inia apo allous pio ikanous klp klp) kai eimaste me "epikiromeno" katastatiko sxedon ena mina, kourastikame kiolas, kai ola sintrexoun sto na vgaloume to neo mas DS mesa ston ianouario. loipon proteino na "varesoume" mia liksi tou prosorinou mas D.S. (ego (antiproedras), i voula (tamias), o mixalis (proedras), o panagiotis (grammateas) nomizo pos sigoura simfounoun gia afto, me photi (eforas) den exo milisei, alla tha mas pei tora pou tha to diavasei kai aftos). apo kei kai pera, afto pou legame, (an kapoios exei alli apopsi na to pei, i siopi=katafasi) leme ipopsifiotites 5-10 Ianouariou (kai edo tha mas pei kai poios thelei ton tipiko rolo eforeftikis epitropis - 2-3 atoma) ekloges 11-15 ianouariou apotelesmata amesos meta. fisika oi tamiakos entaksi kai opoios graftei mexri 5 ianouariou. kali protoxronia. Evripidis Papakostas From epapakostas at ametro.gr Thu Dec 31 15:55:16 1998 From: epapakostas at ametro.gr (Evripidis Papakostas) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:55:16 +0200 Subject: LUGistics 0.4 released :-) Message-ID: <368B8244.DDAD2DFA@ametro.gr> Loipon gia osous den to kseroun ... o panagiotis o vryonis, o evripidis papakostas apofasisame na kanoume ena database, php3, phplib server parsed web interface gia diafores drastiriotites enos LUG kai na to dokimasoume sto HELLUG (os pragmatiko test). Mesa se aftes perilamvanetai i diaxeirisi melon, sponsoron, projects kai tou LEXIS (leksikou metafrasis). to stisame, einai akoma se emvriaki katastasi, alla exei arxisei na exei ena *kalo* functionality. exei selides gia to "koino" kai gia ton "ipefthino" me skopo na apokentrothei i douleia tou web admin kai na boresei na moirastei se epimerous ipefthinous (o kathenas p.x. gia to project tou, allos gia ta meli, allos gia tous sponsores, allos gia to LEXIS klp). allo ena kalo einai pos den tha dinontai me afto ton tropo telnet accounts ston tux asistola, mia pou to administration ginetai apo web formes eksoloklirou. mellontikes epektaseis : proteraiotita sto internationalization ton minimaton (voitheia apo kabriani, sanida), to module voting, guestbook, Q&A, erotimatologio kai oti allo mas erthei. gemisame idi merika stoixeia na min fainetai entelos keno: PROJECTS: http://server.hellug.gr/LUGistics/pub/PRJ_main.php3 MEMBERS: http://server.hellug.gr/LUGistics/pub/MEMB_main.php3 SPONSORS: http://server.hellug.gr/LUGistics/pub/SPONSORS_main.php3 LEXIS: http://server.hellug.gr/LUGistics/pub/LEXIS_main.php3 fysika ta module tou supervisor gia prosthiki, allagi, diagrafi se otidipote apo ta parapano, parolo pou doulevoun me authorizations klp den sas ta dinoume se URL (akoma) para mono stous epimerous ipefthinous (otan iparksoun). to interface tous pantos einai antistoixo .... deite to kai peite kai eseis mia gnomi. From bakira at new-europe.gr Thu Dec 31 22:36:39 1998 From: bakira at new-europe.gr (Katsifos Nikolaos) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:36:39 +0200 (EET) Subject: En Kataklhdei Message-ID: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To poio kato keimeno Qa einai kai to teleytaio apo thn seira ton keimenon pou apostelo gia to sygkekrimeno Qema: Tyrontas thn protroph tou Evriphdh Qa stamatiso amesos prin thn Nea Xronia Prokeitai me poly endiaferon na diavaso otidhpote prosopiko h dhmosio graftei apo opoiondhpote kai gia otidhpote sto sygkekrimeno Qema Oti exo na po oloklhronete stis poio kato paragrafous Apo merias mou to Qema ligei me auto to mail Qa akolouQhsei eyxhtirio mail pros olous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meletontas ta keimena tou agaphtou proedrou mas ftano sta poio kato erothmata A: Exei dikaioma o proedros enos somateiou na vrizei meloi tou sylogou tou ??? Parapempo keimeno: >>>Poion mwre malaka tha peiraksei? Kai giati na peiraxtei kapoios? B: Exei dikaioma o proedros enos sylogou na aphlei thn somatkh akaireothta enos melous tou sylogou tou ? Parapempo keimeno: > Na eyxaristeis tin tyxi sou pou den se eixa mprosta mou otan to egrafes > ayto, > giati enas apo tous dyo mas tha katelige sto nosokomeio. An yponnoeis > OTIDIPOTE > gia tin sxesi mou me to HELLUG, sto opoio tygxanei na prosferw kai OXI > na > pairnw, na exeis ta arxidia na ertheis na mou to peis katamoutra. C: Exei dikaioma o proedros enos sylogou na xlevazei allo melos tou sylogou ? Parapempo keimeno: >>>>Ginesai geloios diastreblwnontas etsi ta legomena mou, alla den >>>>peirazei, tha >>>>megalwseis ki esy kapote. D: Exei dikaioma o proedros enos sylogou na diastrevlonei keimena ? Parapempo keimena: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:31:42 +0200 (EET) From: Michalis Kabrianis Body: as kanoume mia sygkrisi me kapoion ISP na mou peis ti diafora. Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:43:15 -0000 (GMT) From: Michalis Kabrianis Body: Thelw na tonisw omws oti to na kaneis tetoies sygkriseis metaksy EEXI kai FORTHnet, kai epitheseis kata tis FORTHnet einai toulaxiston anithiko. Ego vlepo enan: A: .... proedro xydaio yvristh B: .... proedro opou psyxanemizetai oiponies gia ton eayto tou C: .... proedro opou feretai os xydaios trampoukos me aphles D: .... proedro opou sta epixhrimata apantaei me aphles kai prosvoles EN KATAKLYDI MIXALI KAVRIANI VARETHIKA NA ASXOLOUMAI MAZI SOU... MOU EISAI ADIAFOROS OSOI ANTEKSAN TA DIAVASOYN TA E_MAIL SOU KATALAVANE ME POION EXOUN NA KANOUN OPOS KAI NA EXEI OLA TA IPOLOIPA EINAI AXRISTA p.s Sou aposrstelo me prosopiko e-mail thn dieuQhnsh mou gia na erQeis na me direis Ego toulaxiston den endiaferomai gia kati antistoixo enantion sou To monadiko pou mporo na kano einai na sou prosfero ton oikto mou ============================================================================== ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AKOLOUTHEI MARKOSYRTO KAI GIA POLOUS VARETO (alla panta alhQino) ISTORIKO ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail A: Liges meres poio prin kapoios stelnei kapoio keimeno apo thn EEXI sth lista tou Hellug erotontas: Mipos Qa eprepe na pame kai emeis sthn sygkentrosh ths EEXI gia to Qema tou OTE ?? Nomizo oti kapoios allos eixe sthlei to idio e-mail sthn Linux lista ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail B: Ligo meta kapoios allos (h' o idios) stelnei kapoio e-mail kai eneimeronei oti h EEXI symainei Enosh Ellhnon Xrhston Internet kai oti einai mh kerdoskopikos organismos kai endiaferetai gia thn prooQhsh tou Internet sthn Ellada kai protrepei na pame... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail C D E ...: Mails ta opoia anaferontai genika gia to Qema opos apopseis gia to poso Qa kostizei o OTE tora poso kostize prin klp klp ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Symiosh: Gia ta poio pano e-mails den exo archive... Epishs den gnorizo an krateiete pouQena archive Yparxei kyndinos anakrhveias sxetika me ton ariQmo ton e-mails kai me poio tropo eipoQhkan ta poio pano... Parakalo diorQosteme Mexri edo ola kala Me background ta prohgoumena ksekinaei to FLAME WAR: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail G: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:48:46 +0200 (EET) From: Michalis Kabrianis To: hellug at hellug.gr Subject: Re: OTE kai HELLUG :-) Perilhpsh: H EEXI einai enas akoma provider Apospasmata: H EEXI an den to kserete, para to onoma tis, einai allos enas ISP. Den einai ayto pou fantazomaste ws "Enwsi Ellinwn xristwn Internet" giati an itan tha eimastan oloi grammenoi ekei, etsi? An tithetai thema armodiotitas, einai "opoios ton peirazei" An tithetai thema sxetikotitas, pistevw oti i FORTHnet kai i HOL einai POLY pio sxetikes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail F: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:52:43 +0200 (EET) From: Katsifos Nikolaos To: hellug at hellug.gr Subject: Re: OTE kai HELLUG :-) Perilypsh: H EEXI DEN einai enas akoma provider Apospasmata: Agaphte Michali Lypame pou Qa to po alla den ta ksereis kala ta pramata H EEXI --DEN EINAI ISP--.... Einai afilokerdes somatio me skopo thn prooQhsh tou Internet sthn Ellada Den exei metoxes kai metoxous Exei danistikes vivliothikes Diorganonei seminaria -polles fores dorean- eite sta grafeia ths eite se ksenous xorous Parexei sta melh tou -kai mono- Internet dialup prosvash eno kata kairous exei dosei se sxoleia dorean dialup prosvash ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail G: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:31:42 +0200 (EET) From: Michalis Kabrianis To: hellug at hellug.gr Subject: Re: OTE kai HELLUG :-) Perilypsh: Apopeira sygkrishs ths EEXi me trito ISP Apospasma: Egw pali den lypamai pou den kserw kala ta pragmata. Antitheta XAIROMAI an osa les einai alitheia. Se kamia periptwsi den ithela na thiksw tin EEXI, tin opoia kai ektimw (kai to exw ksanapei, des ta archives) kai me tin opoia exoume skopo ws HELLUG na synergastoume alla... as kanoume mia sygkrisi me kapoion ISP na mou peis ti diafora. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail H: From: Katsifos Nikolaos To: hellug at hellug.gr Subject: Re: OTE kai HELLUG :-) Sender: hellug-owner at hellug.gr Perilypsh: Apanthsh sthn Apopeira sygkrishs ths EEXi me trito ISP Apospasma: Titloi alla gia na yparxoyn kapoio nohma 0a exei. Arxizoume loipon: Den exei metoxes shmainei den endiaferetai na bgalei kerdh. Ara oti dinei to dinei se kostos. H EEXI den endiaferetai na bgalei kerdofores xrhseis kai oti lefta eispratei ta ependyei se eksoplismo. Gia ayto kai me mhden kefalaio einai shmera ayto pou einai. Akoma kai na dialy0ei, h periousia h 0a paei anagkastika sto kratos h se koinwfelh skopo kai oxi sta melh Ti na kanoume. An h0ele diaforetika as ginotane A.E. :) *Enas ISP (px FORTHnet)kanei to idio? * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail I: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:43:41 -0000 (GMT) Reply-To: kabrianis at hellug.gr From: Michalis Kabrianis To: Katsifos Nikolaos Perilypsh: Prosipiko e-mail (s.s Ivristiko) Apospasma: Den parapempo to ivristiko keimeno epidh eitan prosopiko ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail J: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:43:15 -0000 (GMT) From: Michalis Kabrianis To: hellug at hellug.gr Subject: Re: OTE kai HELLUG :-) Perilipsh: Apospasmata tou e-mail #I Apospasma: Na eyxaristeis tin tyxi sou pou den se eixa mprosta mou otan to egrafes ayto, giati enas apo tous dyo mas tha katelige sto nosokomeio. An yponnoeis OTIDIPOTE gia tin sxesi mou me to HELLUG, sto opoio tygxanei na prosferw kai OXI na pairnw, na exeis ta arxidia na ertheis na mou to peis katamoutra. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail K: (elpizo kai teleytao ;-)))))))) Auto pou diavazete tora ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bakira at new-europe.gr Thu Dec 31 22:45:15 1998 From: bakira at new-europe.gr (Katsifos Nikolaos) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:45:15 +0200 (EET) Subject: Kalh xronia Message-ID: Agaphtoi (es) meloi tou HELLUG Qa eiQela me ayto to teleytaio mail ths xronias na eyxitho se ola ta meloi tou sylogou oti kalytero gia tous idious kai tis oikogeneies tous.... Kalh xronia From step at otenet.gr Mon May 25 09:01:17 1998 From: step at otenet.gr (Step) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 09:01:17 +0300 Subject: SMB server problem References: <003001bea28d$414ff480$9da3fea9@classic.diavlos.gr> Message-ID: <3569092D.8FA6DB1C@otenet.gr> Θα δοκιμάσουμε κατι αντιστοιχο σήμερα και θα σου πώ αποτελέσματα. tassos wrote: > Φυσικά έχω, αν δεν είχα tcp/ip τότε δεν θα δούλευε ούτε μέσα στο γραφικό > περιβάλλον των wfwg 3.11 ή των win95. Τα διαγνωστικά του Microsoft TCP/IP > δουλεύουν μέσα στο γραφικό περιβάλλον αλλά δεν δουλεύουν σωστά στον DOS > redirector. > > Γράφτηκα στην λίστα linux-greek-users αλλά ο Server κάνει reject το μύνημα > μου ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Step > To: hellug at hellug.gr > Date: Πέμπτη, 20 Μαΐου 1999 2:54 πμ > Subject: Re: SMB server problem > > >Μήπως δεν εχεις TCP/IP ? > > > >tassos wrote: > > > >> στο DOS σηκώνω το δίκτυο των wfwg 3.11 και βλέπω δίσκους και εκτυπωτές > >> μοιρασμένους από win95 ή winNT server. κοπιάρω από και προς τους > servers, > >> τυπώνω σε remote printers. > >> Μόνο τον SMB server δεν μπορώ να δώ, απο το δίκτο των wfwg 3.11 όπως το > >> δουλεύω εδώ και πάρα πολύ καιρό. Εάν σταματήσω το δίκτυο σε DOS και μπώ > στα > >> wfwg 3.11 τότε βλέπω τον SMB server και ανοίγω τα shares του. Εάν βγώ από > τα > >> wfwg 3.11 και σηκώσω τον DOS client των wfwg 3.11 εξακολουθεί το ίδιο > >> πρόβλημα με net use μου δίνει ανύπαρκτο υπολογιστή. > >> > >> μήπως οι DOS clients από τα winNT είναι πιό πλήρεις και αυτό θα μου λύσει > το > >> πρόβλημα ?? (δεν το πολυ-πιστεύω) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Step > >> To: hellug at hellug.gr > >> Date: Τετάρτη, 19 Μαΐου 1999 2:41 πμ > >> Subject: Re: SMB server problem > >> > >> >Σε real dos mode δεν υπάρχει (αν δεν του βάλεις εσυ ) δικτυο . Αν εχεις > ΝΤ > >> >server > >> >CD εχει μεσα client για dos . > >> > > >> >tassos wrote: > >> > > >> >> με boot σε DOS ή win95 command prompt-only mode γραφω ακριβώς αυτό και > >> δεν > >> >> βρίσκει τον υπολογιστή. > >> >> > >> >> σε DOS shell μέσα από το περιβάλλον wfwg 3.11 ή στο win95 δουλεύει > >> κανονικά > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Step > >> >> To: hellug at hellug.gr > >> >> Date: Τρίτη, 18 Μαΐου 1999 6:43 μμ > >> >> Subject: Re: SMB server problem > >> >> > >> >> >Δηλαδη αν του γράψεις net use q: \\o server σου\το share σου , δεν > κανει > >> >> >connect ? > >> >> > > >> >> >tassos wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Έγρατέστησα ένα SMB server, τον default μαζί με το Red Hat Linux > >> v5.2. O > >> >> >> host είναι ορατός στον browser των wfwg 3.11 και των win95, από > όπου > >> και > >> >> >> κάνω connect. > >> >> >> Ο host δεν είναι ορατός από το dos redirector και των δύο > >> λειτουργικών. > >> >> >> Ερώτηση κρίσεως : τι κανω λάθος ??? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> φιλικά Τάσος > >> >> > > >> > > > From papas at hellug.gr Thu Jun 25 15:12:43 1998 From: papas at hellug.gr (vagos) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:12:43 +0300 Subject: kernel References: <001101bebe2e$a9174480$3fc278d4@congo>, <3772892C.FEB5F7C3@ath.forthnet.gr> Message-ID: <7kuhg6$2ng$1@edessa.topo.auth.gr> Ρε συ Τσακίρη. το τσάκισες το παιδί... χεχε :))) vagos... (όχι, εγώ είμαι άλλος Βαγγέλης...) > > Βαγγέλης wrote: > > > το πρόβλημα μου ειναί recompile kernel του λινουξ. > > πρωτα οταν εκανα make menuconfig > > μου έλεγε να κανώ make dep kai make clean δεν γινοταν τιποτα > > κοιταξα στο βιβλίο λεει οτι πρεπει να κανω και make zImage > > οταν το έκανα αυτο μοy εβγαζε κατι error messages οτι η μνημη του συστηματος > > ειναι μεγαλη!!! > > μέτα δοκιμασα το ιδιο χωρις το make clean > > δηλαδή :make menuconfig kai make zImage τελείωσε χωρις λάθος > > αλλα βρισκει την καρτα ηχου!!! (sound blaster 16 PnP value)γνησια.εχωντας > > βαλει στον κερνελ και ηχο και ppp και χρησιμοποιωντας pnpdump > isapnp.conf > > μου λεει οτι δεν εχει βρει την καρτα ηχου και οτι δεν υπαρχει το path > > /proc/bus/pci/devices > > συγνωμη αν σας κουρασα.. αλλα εχω κουραστει και εγω... > > Καλησπέρα > > 'Εχω την ίδια κάρτα ήχου και δεν μου παρουσιάζει κάνένα πρόβλημα. Αυτό το > pnpdump > isapnp.conf τι το θέλεις; Εξ άλλου η κάρτα αυτή είναι ISΑ πως θέλεις > να την έχει καταχωρημένη ως PCI; Modules έφτιαξες; make mrproper έδωσες πριν το > make menuconfig; Αντιγραφή το System.map έκανες; Το zImage το έβαλες στο /boot > ως vmlinuz-xxxx όπου xxxx η έκδοση του πυρήνα και έκανες τροποποίηση του > lilo.conf; Τί πυρήνα χρησιμοποιείς σε τί διανομή; Μήπως όταν έβαλες το νέο > πυρήνα δεν έσβησες το link που είχε το /usr/src/linux με το παλιό πυρήνα και > γράφτηκε ο ένας πάνω στο άλλο γιατί κάθε νεός πυρήνας μπαίνει εξ ορισμού στο > /usr/src/linux; Απάντησε στις παραπάνω ερωτήσεις και θα βρεθεί λύση :-) > > Παναγιώτης